System of correct commentary of Quran or its understanding

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   paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

   Quran the pristine and secure Word of Revelation from the Creator-God Allah YHWH must be understood correctly.
   
   There is an elaborate system for correct commentary of Quran. The Promised Messiah 1835-1908 has explained the criteria of commentary of Quran in one of his books named “The Blessings of Prayer”; the subject starts from page 27:
   
   http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Bl … Prayer.pdf

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      skipper112posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      yet again paar you state that the Quran was written by Creator- Good Alah (muslim ) and YHWH ( Jewish)  and it the only book that need's nothing to 'verify' or 'prove it's truth????

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      skipper112posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      The Promised Messiah (1835-1908) who is Islams Promised Messash????

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   paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

   The First Criterion
   
   Sayyid Sahib* has demanded from a rival of his the
   criteria for evaluating the standard of a commentary
   of the Holy Quran. Therefore, I, who consider it my
   foremost duty to show the way to one who has gone
   astray, deem it proper to serve him in this aspect as
   well. It, therefore, needs to be understood that:
   
   The first and foremost criterion for an accurate
   commentary of the Holy Quran is the testimony of the
   Quran itself. One should bear well in mind that the
   Holy Quran is not like other books that are dependent
   upon extraneous sources for the proof or disclosure of
   their verities. The Holy Quran is like a perfectly
   balanced structure, the whole dynamics of which are
   disturbed by the displacement of a single block.
   
   The Holy Quran possesses no verity that is not supported
   by at least ten or twenty testimonies contained within
   itself. So, when we interpret a verse of the Holy
   Quran in a certain way, we should try to find out
   whether or not there are other testimonies present in
   the Holy Quran which support this interpretation.
   
   If there are no other testimonies, and the interpretation
   is found to be clearly opposed to some other verses,
   then we should conclude that this interpretation is
   false, for there is no possibility of contradiction in the
   Holy Quran.
   
   The touchstone of a true interpretation is
   that it should be supported by a host of clear and
   supporting testimonies of the Holy Quran itself.
   
   * Sir Sayyad Ahmad Khan
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   http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Bl … Prayer.pdf

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      skipper112posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      when did the Quran and it's experts become Indian??

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         paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         The times the Promised Messiah 1835-1908 was appointed at this high office, it was in 1889 that he proclaimed that the Creator-God Allah YHWH has appointed him at this office.

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            skipper112posted 14 years agoin reply to this

            who proclaimed it???
            God (CHRISTIAN)
            Allah (MUSLIM)
            YHWH (JEWISH)
            
            Which God PAAR??????

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   paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

   The second criterion:
   
   is the interpretation of the
   Holy Prophet. There can be no doubt that our
   beloved and revered Prophet was the one who best
   understood the Holy Quran. Thus, if an interpretation
   made by the Holy Prophet is available, then a
   Muslim is duty-bound to accept it without any
   hesitation or reservation, otherwise he will appear to
   be feeble of faith and under the spell of philosophy.
   
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   paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

   The third criterion:
   
   is the interpretation of the
   Companions of the Holy Prophet(sa). There is no doubt
   that the Companions(ra) were the first to inherit the light
   of the Holy Prophetsa and were the foremost inheritors
   of his knowledge. Allah blessed them abundantly and
   helped them in their understanding, for they practiced
   what they preached.
   
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      prayersposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      In the Quran 2:4 Allah refers to himself as 'We'.  It is even capitalized.  Please explain.

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         prayersposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         [2:4] Who believe in the unseen and observe Prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them

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            paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            It is a royal "We"

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               prayersposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Please explain.

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                  paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Majestic plural
                  
                  The majestic plural (pluralis maiestatis in Latin) is the use of a plural pronoun to refer to a single person holding a high office, such as a monarch, bishop, pope, or university rector. It is also called the royal pronoun, the royal "we" or the Victorian "we". The more general word for the use of we to refer to oneself is nosism, from the Latin nos.[1] It is most commonly used to denote the excellence, power, and dignity of the person that speaks or writes.
                  
                  In pluralis maiestatis a speaker refers to herself or himself using a grammatical number other than the singular (i.e., in plural or, where attested, dual form). For example, the Basic Law of the Sultanate of Oman opens thus:
                  On the Issue of the Basic Law of the State We, Qaboos bin Said, Sultan of Oman…[2]
                  
                  Other instances of use:
                  
                  •    We are not amused. — Queen Victoria (in at least one account of this quotation, though, she was not speaking for herself alone, but for the ladies of the court.)[3]
                  
                  •    In his abdication statement, Nicholas II of Russia uses the pluralis maiestatis liberally, as in "In agreement with the Imperial Duma, We have thought it well to renounce the Throne of the Russian Empire and to lay down the supreme power."[4]
                  
                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majestic_plural

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                     pisean282311posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     paar We was purposeful..Quran was written by multiple people who accompanied Muhammad...so we is obvious...

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         skyfireposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Spellchecker was not invented at that time ya know.

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            pisean282311posted 14 years agoin reply to this

            

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   prayersposted 14 years ago

   Here is another verse where Allah refers to himself as "We".
   
   [2:35] And remember the time when We said to the angels: ‘Submit to Adam,’ and they all submitted. But Iblis did not. He refused and was too proud; and he was of the disbelievers.

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   paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

   The fourth criterion:
   
   is to meditate upon the
   meanings of the Holy Quran with the purity of one’s
   own self, because purity of the self has a certain
   affinity with the Holy Quran, as Allah says:
   Al-Waqi‘ah, 56:80
   which means that the verities of the Holy Quran are
   disclosed only to a person of pure heart, for the two
   have an affinity with one another.
   
   Such a person
   recognizes these verities, and smells them, and his
   heart cries out that this indeed is the true way. The
   light of his heart is an excellent criterion for
   evaluating the truth. Unless a person is endowed with
   this quality and treads on the narrow path which the
   Prophetsas have tread, it is only prudent that he should
   refrain from impertinently and arrogantly assuming
   the role of a commentator of the Holy Quran. Otherwise
   his commentary will be based upon his own
   inference, and this is something which the Holy
   Prophet(sa) has forbidden. He has said:
   
   16 Tirmidhi, Abwabu Tafsiril-Quran, Babu ma ja’a filladhi Yufassirul
   Qur’ana bi-Ra’yihi.
   
   That is, he who interprets the Holy Quran based on
   his own inference, does an erroneous interpretation
   even though he thinks he has done well.
   
   http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Bl … Prayer.pdf

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      skipper112posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      OMG PAAR you mean we must 'SMELL' the Quran to truly understand it??
      sorry paar me think not!!
      so after you smell the Quran I hope the purson that used it before had clean hands, do you have to wash before you use the Quran??

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   Disappearingheadposted 14 years ago

   I don't believe the Quran is the word of God. One book, one man, one claim to have been spoken to by an Angel. Witnesses, none. Case closed.

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   skipper112posted 14 years ago

   Disapearinghead, you are so right, Mohammed had no witnesses, no one to support his words, even his wife did not see the suposed angel, and God never sent angel's to a prophet God called the prophet himself.So you are right the Quran is not the word of God PERIOD as you said  CASE CLOSED

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      paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Gos sends angels to the holy people to convey message which is truthful:
      
      The Birth of Jesus
      Matthew 1-2, Luke 1-2
      
      The angel Gabriel appeared to Mary and said, "Do not be afraid, Mary, you have found favor with God. You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High." (TNIV)
       
      An Angel Visits Mary
      
      One day about 2,000 years ago an angel named Gabriel appeared to a young Jewish woman named Mary. Gabriel told Mary she would have a son, Jesus, who would be the Son of God! Mary was confused and worried about this sudden news, but she had faith in God and said, "I am the Lord's servant; let it be as you say."
      
      http://www.twopaths.com/story_BirthOfJesus.htm
      
      So angel Gabriel came about with the news of birth of Jesus; there was no other witness; and Jesus by being born of the news confirms that you people are mistaken.
      
      Case wrongly closed; opened again;
      Please say sorry for the misake.

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         skipper112posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Gabrial did visit Mary, but Gaberial did not leave Mary as a scared shaking woman ,as Mohammed was left as a scared shaking mental mess, who took hours to calm down and  Mary did not have to " FLASH HER PRIVATE PARTS TO THE ANGEL LIKE MAHAMMEDS WIFE DID"so get your FACTS RIGHT PAAR
         
         SO CASE CLOSED AS YOU DO NOT SPEAK FOR MUSLIMS

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         aka-djposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Paar.
         First you deny Jesus is the Son of God,
         Then you quote the scripture where it declares Him to be so.
         So, in this case who is correct, you or the scripture?
         Was Gabriel lying?
         Was Mary deluded?
         Was the Bible changed over the centuries to say something that was not said?
         
         If we apply the same rules to the Quran, how can anyone accept it to be truth?
         
         Furthermore, you say that you need others to interpret the meaning to you? Doesn't allah speak to the common man? Does he not give you understanding? Why need a prophet? Read and decide for yourself. NO?

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            paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Jesus was son of god as per the usage of OT or Torah; not as Paul would like the Christians to believe. Torah took it symbolically which was the right approach; NT authored by the sinful gospel writers and interfered with by cunning Paul and the Church deviated the simple Christians to make Jesus son of god literally.

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               aka-djposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Paul was totally antagonistic in the beginning.
               
               The claim of Jesus' deity came LONG before Paul.
               
               Read the NT Gospels. Peter declared Him to be the Son of God.
               
               There are many more, but you seem to skip these.
               
               The Jews who pushed Pilate to crucify Him, did so because of this VERY CLAIM. Read it. PLEASE read it.

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               pisean282311posted 14 years agoin reply to this

               paar loves paul , it seems...

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   skipper112posted 14 years ago

   will not say sorry the Quran was written by one man with no other sorce of proof, so we are to blindly follow the words of a man that is not  able to read and write, so it is claimed, Question who really wrote his book the Quran?
   
   so case CLOSED Quran has no proof
   
   God will not send a angel to a prophet, God speaks to a prophet him self,( ie Moses and the burning bush) and any so called peophet that only gets a angel ( who even his wife cant see) is surly a false  prophet
   
   case CLOSED

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      paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Quran is authored by the Creator-God Allah YHWH; not by Muhammad, peace be upon him.

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    skipper112posted 14 years ago

    did Mohammed write the Quran?
    you must love the Jews you always quote YHWH that is Jewish?
    If Mohammed did not write the Quran were did it come from???
    Why did God not speak to Mohammed he only got a angel ( according to Mohammed) no one else could see the  the Angel?
    If Mohammed did not write the Quran how did it apear did a book just suddenly apear in Mohammeds hands, explain please??
    again I ask why did God not speak to Mohammed?
    Again no proof

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       paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       No, Muhammad did not write Quran; Quran was authored by the Creator-God Allah YHWH and revealed on the heart of Muhammad.
       
       For some detail about Quran; how it got revealed, please access the following link and then ask questions if you like:
       
       http://www.alislam.org/library/books/In … -Quran.pdf

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          skipper112posted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Thank you paar for uncovering another truth, ' Creator-God Allah ( ISLAM ) YHWAH ( Jewish) so both the Jews and Muslims wrote the Quran Paar said so , now which parts are Jewish and which parts are Muslim please tell me paar????? the link you gave says NOTHING about the Jews writing part of the Quran, so paar as you have stated that YHWH did write part of the Quran with 'Creator-God Allah please tell me which parts paar??

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       paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Muhammad did not author Quran; it was the Creator-God Allah YHWH who authored the Quran and it was revealed verbally on the heart of  Muhammad in 23 years of his prophethood. Whenever a verse was revealed; Muhammad committed it to his memory and as a subsidiary measure also dictated to the scribes.
       
       This is in brief; for the details I had given you the link.

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          skipper112posted 14 years agoin reply to this

          commited to memory which part, was commited to memory the Islamic part or the Jewish part??'subsidiay messure................dictated to scribes' How did Mohammed know the scribes wrote was  true after all Mohammed cound not read!!!!!!!

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    skipper112posted 14 years ago

    so the Quran was authored by YHWH and was written by no body, that is why it is just a fairy story WITH NO PROOF the sad thing is you belive this. I'm glad your God and my God are not the same and never will be, at least the Bible was written by many over a long time not just one mans idea of God.
    I do not have to use links for the Holy Bible why do you have to have links to explain the Quran????

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       libby101aposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       LOL! If you notice a lot of his links aren't even the Qu'ran or bible... it's websites written by someone else explaining what he's trying to say... go look at some of his posts.. it will have an article written by john doe or whoever.

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          skipper112posted 14 years agoin reply to this

          CORRECT Libby Paar will not and has not answered any question, he tries to let some other NOBODY answer for him. At least paar has admitted that paar knew Jesus was going to resurrect after Jesus died on the CROSS TO PAAR I SAY USE YOUR OWN PROOF THE QURAN, NOT SAYINGS OF A BANNED MUSLIM SECT!!!!

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       skipper112posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       now paar as YHWH is Jewish, and Allah is Muslin and not the same God, yet you state the QURAN was written by ' Creator-God Allah ( MUSLIM) and YHWH ( Jewish God) so according to PAAR the Quran was written by Jews and Muslims no wonder your Muslim sect it BANNED by ISLAM. I can't belive the QURAN was written by Jews ( YHWH) and (MUSLIMS) but if PAAR states it . It must be TRUE!!!!!!

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    skipper112posted 14 years ago

    paar tell me what was relevations from Mohammed, Creator God Allah, ( Islam) and what relevations are from YAWH (  Jewish,) So glad you have revealed part of the Quram was written by YAWH ( JEWISH) now tell me which verses please??

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       libby101aposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       He won't answer!! He can't! Impossible! Unless he sees that I wrote this...then he will beat around the bush! He will come back and answer your question by asking a question!!

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          pisean282311posted 14 years agoin reply to this

          it seems you and skipper have become big fan of paar

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             libby101aposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             It would seem so! I like Paar if he would stop posting threads that put down the Christian religion!

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                pisean282311posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                but that is his job libby...he comes on hub with specific purpose of promoting what he considers truth...it is not just Christianity but he tries to nullify Hinduism , Buddhism and other faiths too...since here more Christians are there , his threads is on Christianity more...

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                   libby101aposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   I know... but think of this... the job of a Christian is to do the same...and we feel compelled to defend our savior. So we are at a stand still!

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                      pisean282311posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      i got that...

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                      libby101aposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      Don't misunderstand me... I don't hate Paarsurrey! I just dislike his talk of Jesus.
                      
                      Don't worry Pisean... lol!!!! It's alright! Hopefully Paar takes it with a grain of salt just as I do! I don't take anyting personal on hubs!

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                         pisean282311posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                         I know you dont hate paar...I disagree with paar on everything under the sun myself...but i like his non tiring attitude...though as soon as he does post anything , i tend to counter it...at times i dont counter it too...i feel no zeal to do that...but paar continues ...paar and me have had share of discussion since last 4-5 months..and he does not get tired

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                            libby101aposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                            I agree he doesn't tire! And  he seems to be online all the time! LOL!!

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                      china manposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      No - you are at war !   and dragging everybody else into your stone age conflict over mythical beings.

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                         libby101aposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                         Hi China man! Do you have to be so negative? Nobody is at war! At least not with me! Paar and I have conversations and disagree but neither of us are violent or at least i know I'm not! So stop presuming things you have no idea about! Try to be nice to people once in a while!!
                         
                         And you think the religious people are cruel??? Look at you! Nobody was speaking to you and you have to jump in and be negative!
                         
                         True peace you bring!

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             libby101aposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             We like you too Pisean!!! 

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                skipper112posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                picean I like you, Libby I like you too. Paar I do not dislike,he just says the most insulting things about Jesus, St paul and the church, Paar can't even make up his mind over God, paar quotes Creator God-Allah, ( Allah is Muslim) God is Christian YHWH is Jewish so which God will  Paar accept as his?
                paar is verry consistent in his posts yet paar FAILS to answer QUESTIONS, it is like paar belives that the Quran and paars words cannot ever be questioned. Paar comes from a sect of ISLAM that is BANNED by ISLAM, yet paar says in his posts he speaks for Islam and anybody from Islam that will not agree with paar are 'mistaken' THAT IS TO ME A WORRY.
                God bless Libby Pisean and Paar,
                Paar just stop your uninformed attacks on Jesus

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                   paarsurreyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   May the Creator-God Allah YHWH bless you too

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                      aka-djposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      That's no answer!!!

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                      skipper112posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      THAT IS NO ANSWER PAAR!!!
                      I'll ask you again as Allah isuslim and YHWH is JEWISH and  so tell me what parts of the Quran were witten by YHWH as you state so part of the Quran is also Jewish?
                      
                      so according to paar the Quean was written by God (CHRISTIAN) Allah (MUSLIM) and YHWH ( JEWISH) is that right paar??
                      
                      I agree ake-dj paar cannot answer anything, even if it is to confirm his own statements!!
                      
                      paar states .......... Creator - God ( CHRISTAN)  Allah ( MUSLIM) YHWH ( JEWISH) which God do you follow paar??

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                   libby101aposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   I like you too Skipper!!! We share the same views! Paar needs to make up his mind!!! And stop opening threads that are false!!! If he believes Jesus is not the son of God then that's his business, but he needs to stop promoting it and pushing it on others!!!

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    skipper112posted 14 years ago

    paar I wait 4 your answer, do not run and hide ok ANSWER MY QUESTION!!!!
    If the Quran states reasonably that a Muslim may have 1 to 4 wives, I accept that , but paar tell me how Mohammed can ignor the Quran and have over 12 wives?? Is Mohammed not bond by the Quran, or it it 2 rules one for Mahammed and one for rverybody else???
    I ask you a question paar will you show me respect and answer my Question??
    
    thank's Libby you are a cool chick
    
    I have asked paar a reasonable question I hope paar will answer me because to me it sounds wrong.!!

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    paarsurreyposted 14 years ago

    The fifth criterion:
    
    is the Arabic lexicon. Since, the
    Holy Quran itself has provided sufficient means for
    its understanding, recourse to Arabic lexicon seems
    unnecessary. But there is no doubt that it helps in
    enhancing our understanding, and sometimes, when
    we consult the lexicon, our attention is drawn to some
    hidden subtleties of the Holy Quran and we discover
    some mystery.
    
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       skipper112posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       paar you are HIDEING answer Question, Why can Mohammed have over 14 wives and the Quran says you can only have 1 to 4 wives?????
       
       WHY ARE YOU HIDEING. CAN'T YOU ANSWER????
       DO YOU NOT KNOW ANSWER???
       ARE YOU AFRAID TO ANSWER PAAR???

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       skipper112posted 14 years agoin reply to this

       THAT IS NO ANSWER PAAR DON'T YOU KNOW???
       AFRAID TO ANSWER?
       WHE DO YOU HIDE FROM ANSWERS???????
       NOT GOOD ENOUGH PAAR!!!!

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    skipper112posted 14 years ago

    POST CLOSED UNTILL PAAR WILL ANSWER QUESTIONS

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