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Sharon jeposted 13 years ago
There have been a lot of discussions on Christianity, atheist and Bhudism. Anyone interested to take another look at Islamic teachings? What differentiates Islam, Jews, Christtian and Bhudist? What are most of the conflicts about? What makes someone Godless?
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  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  What differentiates islam , jews and christians...well nothing much...at core all 3 are same...yes buddhism is different and as einstein said only religion which would be compatible with science in future...
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  Sharon jeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  mm.... yet they are fighting....
  
  religion and science complementing?
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  aguasilverposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe these statements:
  
  Luke 10:22
  All things have been given over into My power by My Father; and no one knows Who the Son is except the Father, or Who the Father is except the Son and anyone to whom the Son may choose to reveal and make Him known.
  
  But THE most contentious statement is:
  
  John 14:6 (Amplified Bible)
  
  Jesus said to him, I am the Way and the Truth and the Life; no one comes to the Father except by (through) Me.
  
  This statement differentiates the words of Christ from ANY other statement of claim made in history.
  
  Folk dislike the conviction that the bible brings to them, they hate the fact that ANYONE will point out they are in error, and in today's world, where the BIG push is to get 'hey everyone's entitled to their own opinion, and I think you are being intolerant by not agreeing with me" Clear cut statements that leave no room for subjectivity are taboo.... that's what causes conflict.
  
  Matthew 6:23-25 (Amplified Bible)
  ....if your eye is unsound, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the very light in you [your conscience] is darkened, how dense is that darkness!
  
  No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will stand by and be devoted to the one and despise and be against the other. You cannot serve God and mammon deceitful riches, money, possessions, or whatever is trusted in).
  
  Therefore I tell you, stop being perpetually uneasy (anxious and worried) about your life, what you shall eat or what you shall drink; or about your body, what you shall put on. Is not life greater [in quality] than food, and the body [far above and more excellent] than clothing?
  
  The world will ALWAYS be in opposition to what Christ taught, until He returns to finish the task.....
  
  Matthew 24:8-10 (Amplified Bible)
  
  All this is but the beginning [the early pains] of the birth pangs [of the intolerable anguish].
  
  Then they will hand you over to suffer affliction and tribulation and put you to death, and you will be hated by all nations for My name's sake.
  
  And then many will be offended and repelled and will begin to distrust and desert [Him Whom they ought to trust and obey] and will stumble and fall away and betray one another and pursue one another with hatred.
  
  I would guess that somebody who could not start a relationship with God or chose not to do so, would be Godless, in the same way that if I do not have anywhere to live, I would be homeless.
  
  Being Godless should not be considered bad by default, it simply means that you lack something that other people have, and you either lack it by choice or circumstance, however when you choose God, the circumstance will change for the better, which is not always the same for ungodly decisions.
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  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  This statement differentiates the words of Christ from ANY other statement of claim made in history.
  
  allah is only god and muhammad is his only messenger...
  
  sounds similar...isn't it?...most religions are same at core...only buddhism is exception...
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  aguasilverposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "Jesus said to him, I am the Way and the Truth and the Life; no one comes to the Father except by (through) Me."
  
  I can quote that for eternity.
  
  allah is only god and muhammad is his only messenger...
  
  Has no promise in it, has no conditional tense.
  
  Every mortal must accept or reject Christ based upon the statement He made.
  
  Like CS Lewis wrote, Christ was either a madman, a liar or who He said he was, we each get to decide, we each get to declare our belief.
  
  If someone wished to reject what Christ stated, that is their right.
  
  But no one else in history has promised eternity with God simply for accepting and believing what Christ stated was the truth.
  
  So Buddhism (much as I like some of it's precepts, and remember I live in a place where Buddhism is the main religion)actually makes no claims at all for eternal security.
  
  Buddha never even thought to start a religion, let alone suggest that what he described was the way to anything other than temporal peace within.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  How do you know that? Have you got anything in writing from Buddha in this connection.
  
  It might be your guess only.
  
  I think the truth is that all Revealed Religion are from one source the Creator-God; as in origin all religions and their founders were truthful and in principle their teachings were identical and for the same purpose; to attain nearness to the Creator-God, which is the enlightenment they talked about.
  
  And Buddha was one such person.
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  aguasilverposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hang on, that makes you a pantheist... I thought you spouted that only Mohammed was right?
  
  What changed your mind?
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Moses, Jesus,Buddha,Krishna and Muhammad always were right as they had the same message from the Creator-God, originally.
  
  I always say that.Please correct yourself if you have any misgiving about me and my beliefs.
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  aguasilverposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Like I said, pantheism....
  
  It may well be that when eternity is revealed to all, God may turn around and say that all roads did lead to Him, but for now, my reality is that Christ stated that HE was the ONLY way to God.
  
  So that kinda seals the matter for me, if I am wrong, then in a pantheistic 'eternity' I guess my faith is as good as anyones, if the atheists are right, we annihilate on death, so we are gone and forgotten and so what.
  
  The ONLY problem is, YOU and everyone else is actually staking their eternity on being right, for IF Christ was correct.....
  
  Then all others have a problem.
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well said aqua silver. Your whole conversation really. I see Christ as my salvation, because it's the only one that makes logical sense to me. Who can know the truth? Maybe everyone is right in their belief. Maybe they're wrong. We won't know until it's over.
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  aguasilverposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Exactly, when all the discussion is over, when our lives expire, we will know the truth, if there is an eternity to inhabit, and for now, we are staking our very eternal existence on what we believe.
  
  So it makes no difference (to me) what someone else believes, only that they are secure and sound in their belief.
  
  There seems to be no room in eternity for vacillation.
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I don't know that I would agree with the last sentence, but other than that I think we're on the same page.
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  aguasilverposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The last line refers to the fact that whether we like it or not, we make a decision that governs our eternity for good or bad.
  
  Whoever we are, whatever decision we make could have negative effects, if it is wrong, so the decision we make is essential and decisive.
  
  Vacillation is in itself by default a decision.
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  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  But no one else in history has promised eternity with God simply for accepting and believing what Christ stated was the truth.
  
  re read the history...there have been many such claims...
  
  So Buddhism (much as I like some of it's precepts, and remember I live in a place where Buddhism is the main religion)actually makes no claims at all for eternal security.
  
  you mean you are looking for feel good factor...if so guess islam would be better than Christianity...just bcoz some one said about something like eternal thing and you believed it , does that mean he/she or you are right....eternal security is not point out here...every religion except buddhism has such claims....all claims have come from religion which preceded present religion and there is no big deal in it...it is mere promise...nothing more than that...can help person feel good but feeling good is not the end point ...is it?
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  aguasilverposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Enlighten me.... and quote me one guy who said it that still communicates with His disciples.
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  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  many...sai baba - many of his disciples claim muchlike many Christians claim that they have seen him and talked with him and he has shown them direction...now i don't doubt those people , like i dont doubt christians...
  
  a lady from saudi had written on this very hubpages about seeing muhammad in her dreams....
  
  if u view all countries , you would find number of people who claim to have seen their god or prophet or saint or whomsoever they believe in...some say christ , so say other...the dieties or figures claimed are different but one thing is same...the people who claim about this have one thing in common...and that is human brain which is convinced about divinity of their diety ...brain is common element and so i am not suprised when some one comes up and says he saw christ or some one comes up and says he saw god (his version) ...in end all those deities matter less and what matters is faith...
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  aguasilverposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Actually if anybody told me they had 'seen' Christ, I would agree it was a mental visualisation:
  
  Matthew 23:39
  For I declare to you, you will not see Me again until you say, Blessed (magnified in worship, adored, and exalted) is He Who comes in the name of the Lord!
  
  The next time we will 'see' Christ it will be visible to ALL humanity.
  
  John 1:18
  No man has ever seen God at any time; the only unique Son, or the only begotten God, Who is in the bosom [in the intimate presence] of the Father, He has declared Him [He has revealed Him and brought Him out where He can be seen; He has interpreted Him and He has made Him known].
  
  You see, if one follows what the bible states, it's relatively easy to spot the fakes and deluded.
  
  I said Christ COMMUNICATES with His disciples, and He does that through the Holy Spirit.... very different thing from appearing in dreams!
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  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  not much different...again product of brain...can be taken as case study for people researching on brain and christ story is pretty much same in all faiths...just name of christ changes...like christ said he is only way , many did in past...some even went on to that they are not only way but they themselves are the way...claims which cannot be made in today's scientific age...but during eras in which these people lived , we can understand...
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  aguasilverposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So you made your decision then!
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  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  decision is simple and quiet logical...christ was one of many....good man...thought good for humans but he was ordinary considering other stories and if one believes in christ stories , by same logic i must believe in other stories ,bcoz none has solid proof and by that standards christ would come way down on the list...but as I said ultimate thing is faith...it works...belief on christ or any , it is secondary matter...none are more important than faith which again is convinced brain...like u r convinced that christ is ultimate , while muslims are convinced that christ is mere prophet...
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  aguasilverposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Like I said, you made your decision.
  
  Nobody is questioning your right to do that.
  
  You rejected what Christ stated as false, your decision.
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  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  no body knows what christ exactly stated...it is based on books which itself have lot of versions...your basis of what christ stated is some books which itself has been time and again questioned by science and then twisted by believers...so dont get into what christ stated as truth or false...not even paul knew what christ stated...forget u or me......u keep believing in what ur brain thinks is correct but give ur brain credit for it than something unproven like holy ghost or spirit or anything... ....
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  aguasilverposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I actually don't try to tell you how you should believe, why are suggesting that somehow, the way MY brain thinks is defective?
  
  Or have the audacity to question my relationship with the Holy Spirit.
  
  The apparent fact that you have obviously never experienced a relationship with the Holy Spirit, gives you no right to deny what I know to be truth, nor suggest that by believing it I commit some mental aberration.
  
  You have made your decision, that's all I have said, it's a statement of fact, you have rejected what is attributed to Christ in scripture, in favor of what you believe about logic and proof and other areas that you hold dear and consider sacrosanct.
  
  We are entitled to hold our own positions, and I care not whether you approve of mine or not, I merely comment that by your position you refute what Christ stated, and trying to tell me that it was allegorical holds no weight in the discussion.
  
  You made your decision, and therefore you will either be proven correct or in error.
  
  The same applies to myself.
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  Woman Of Courageposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  aqua, I love your response.
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  Sharon jeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  the pure can see Gods....
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  Sharon jeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you aquasilver for the quotes.
  1. No one knows who the son is so any chosen one can be the son? lets tell the good news to the muslims, christians, jews, budhists that they are all brothers and sisters..........
  
  2. Mathew 6:23-25 might have a point. When some of us are too busy pursuing money or financial gain, we might have no time for ourselves what more for God..... But this might not mean we have to be poor to be closed to God, or? If so, is this the reason why people choose to be rich and away from God than poor and close to God?
  
  3. "The world will be in opposite of what christ taught and a lot will turn away"............ This is happening.......... can we prevent?........
  
  4. Believing is power............ God or godless........
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I wouldn't take a look at Islamic teachings, because it has nothing to teach, just like all other religions on Earth.
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  Sharon jeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  haha..... what do they teach then? what are the essence? and what are they fighting for?
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paarsurreyposted 13 years ago
Comparitive study of religions is interesting.
I think all Revealed Religion are from one source the Creator-God; as in origin all religions and their founders were truthful.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  All cause wars too huh? I see u did not answer my Kwestion paar - wot ur god do to me for not worshipping? I no ifn u worship - it gives mercy. I get no mercy - wot that meen?
  
  I burn in pain for not worship? Or wot?
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  Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  yes.. like the pain that i have because i dont have a mentor
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I am still waiting. You owe me $3,789.
  
  Libya? Not going for it. Sorry.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You can ask yourself from the Creator-God or see yourself from Quran. I won't and cannot judge you. The Creator-God is most forgiving and most merciful.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Ah - so I do not need to worship it after all. Excellent - thank you. I was not asking you to judge me - I wanted to know what un-merciful meant. But - now you have explained that it forgives every one - regardless of if they worship or not - I understand.
  
  Why did you tell me it only forgave me and was merciful if I worshiped it. Now you say it is merciful to all. I am a bit confused about this - which is it?
  
  I know you speak for this allah thing - now if you could just clear this up?
  
  Thanks.
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  Sharon jeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I kinda agree with paarsurrey. One Creator, many managers: he send Mohamad first then Budha Then Jesus. Where did Jews come in, people please enlighten me?........
  
  In every religion, there are extremists............
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So, we eliminate religions, thus eliminating extremism. Great idea.
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  aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Seems like this is what all the opponents of religion really want.
  
  Sadly, your desired outcome would still elude you.
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Not anywhere near as much as we'd like to see the religious extremism gone. Can you fix that internal strife? If so, feel free to carry on with your beliefs, then.
  
  What would that outcome be? Will you kindly predict the future for us?
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  aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No more wars!
  isn't that what religion causes?
  Get rid of it, all will be wonderful, NO? That's all I'm saying.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It is the non-religionists who play politics and cause war for material gains; the Truthful Religion is peaceful and has no teachings of war.
  
  I don't agree with you
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  just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You're exactly right, because the beginning of any religion is a message of peace. Inner enlightenment. It's only when a structure forms to spread the message that things start getting out of sync. It's like if you try to square a building, room by room, instead of as a whole. The end result is wrong. You increase the problem geometrically with every measurement. Each new philosophy that adds to the original message of the enlightened teacher causes confusion, and pulls the student away from the original message. People should simply try to get to the core of the message and see if there is enlightenment. Not take the word of any other person or structure built to explain it.
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  aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Please read the context of what I said.
  
  You missed the point completely.
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Amongst other things, yes. I understand that religions aren't the only thing that causes wars, but it's high on the list. We can also work towards whatever other ideologies are causing wars, too, no problem. I'm sure you'd be delighted to hear that.
  
  Yes.
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  aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That is no different to a religionist saying,
  "if only everyone believed just like me, everything would be wonderful"
  
  So, your idea of some utopia is no different to anyone else, just the means to the same ind is different.
  
  Why should your "way" be any better than theirs?
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Funny how you get something like that from words that I never uttered. You are putting words in my mouth.
  
  If you're too lazy to find out for yourself what ideologies are causing wars in the world, that shouldn't be my problem, nor should it infer an ideology.
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  aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry buddy, you reveal NO ideology, merely a contentious spirit.
  
  You are contrary for the sake of controversy and criticism. You have not once contributed a positive thought to any of my posts.
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry that you're so angry. Hope you feel better soon.
  
  Yes, I understand that criticizing and questioning your belief system will not be a positive experience for you, just like your belief system has not been a positive experience for mankind these last many centuries. Yeah, I get that.
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  aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Another pathetic excuse of a response to a post of mine.
  
  You must really enjoy seeing yourself in print.
  
  Angry? LOL Laughing mor like it.
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I do hope some day you resolve your anger issues. Sincerely.
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  aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That has been resolved a long time ago!
  
  I'm hoping to provoke you into actually posting something of value and substance.
  
  Maybe you already are, and this is the best you can do. In which case I feel for you.
  But you've come to the right place to have your mind stretched.
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Unfortunately, provoking with anger doesn't work.
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  aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Where on Earth do you get anger from?
  
  Oh, I get it, YOU get angry, and project it onto me.
  
  Fine. Just do what most pople do, add something to the discussion, instead of your usual drivel.
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Your posts exhibit anger, of course.
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  aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Shall I call that a lie?
  
  How can you say I display anger, when I clearly said I wasn't?
  Can you read? Or are YOU the one provoking me to get a reaction. If so, I'm sorry to disappoint you, but that won't work either.
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Call it an observation.
  
  You have said a great deal here that contradicts itself.
  
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The Atheists are no innocent in this connection, in my opinion.
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  Sharon jeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  When we were born, we were like white paper, we absorbed everything from our environment including teachings to be who we are. Someone has been right: every religion started off with a good intention i.e to guide, to discipline us how to be a proper human with peace, love and hope in mind.
  
  Some stronger personalities can survive well with just philosophy that guides them to conduct in their daily life; some are not so strong that they need to believe in super natural power especially when they are having a rough ride in life, who gives them hope, strength and may be miracles. Some are just tagging along because everybody does that.
  
  The latest group would be the dangerous one. It is not that they don't have religion, they believe as others do but they sway easily in search of identity. Some times they don't know what they believe in because this is what people teach and they just follow ; they might not be able to differentiate what is right what is wrong bcos they are exposed to only one type. The youngs, the less educated could easily be brain washed or misguided bcos they don't know how to differentiate.........
  
  What should we say on what to believe in to make things better?
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Have you noticed how badly, miserably and violently religions have failed to deliver in that regard? The problem is that most religions don't allow folks to initiate or develop morals and ethics, hence the intentions of religions will always fail from the get go.
  
  Most of the worlds religions and their followers use the system of indoctrination to perpetuate the belief system. In other words, most folks never made a choice in their beliefs, they were taught to accept their parents beliefs without question. The only choice a person can make at that point is to break their indoctrination and begin thinking for themselves.
  
  And of course, anyone can do it.
  
  Looks like you just described some of the negative effects of childhood religious indoctrination.
  
  How about we start believing in mankind instead?
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  GodTalkposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Then there are the atheist extremists and all the misery that they have caused. Maybe we can seek to eliminate atheism too and we can all agree not to have any ideas. LOL
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Please don't eliminate atheism; they are already frustrated and confused with no good argument with them; they need mercy no elimination, in my opinion.
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  GodTalkposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  My reply wasn't meant to be totally serious. I would never advocate killing anyone if that is what you inferred from my post. It was merely a humorous attempt to show atheists that extremism is not limited to the religious and it will not go away if, by some miracle, they managed to eliminate religious belief from this world. That, of course, is not possible.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I understand you; thanks
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "Atheist extremists"
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  GodTalkposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  There have been more murders committed by godless regimes in the past century than all of the previous centuries combined.
  Religion cannot be blamed for this.
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "Godless regimes"
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  GodTalkposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes! It would seem you are unfamiliar with history.
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Not at all. I just never heard of godless regimes before. Hilarious. So, why not enlighten us with these godless regimes you refer?
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aka-djposted 13 years ago
I just wanted to correct the title of this thread.

It should read;

Islamism, Judaism, Christian-ism, Bhudhism

Christianity does not belong to any "religion" list!
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  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  neither does buddhism...buddhism is infact more closer to science than religion or god...buddha must be view as man who studied human nature , suffering causes , mind and dealt with solutions...his path is most compatible with science and present world...
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  Sharon jeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  may be just a way of living, not science?
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  Twenty One Daysposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Science IS and is also the father of all theologies.
  History proves that.
  Science IS religion and religious --expressed by the masculine approach to humanism. Religion (sensationalism) is the feminine expression of science.
  
  James.
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  Sharon jeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  wow.... deep.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Do you mean Christianity is no religion?
  
  In fact Jesus was a Jew and he died as a Jew. He did not propound any religion and named it "Christianity". It was later invented by Paul and the Church and named it after Christ; it is a misnomer though. But as long as people say the belong to Christianity- a religion; we have to respect their choice while correcting their wrong concepts; there is no harm in it. I think open-minded Christian would accept it happily to maintain their identity.
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  Sharon jeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  thank you everyone.
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pisean282311posted 13 years ago
@aguasilver

i agree you have right to believe in what ever you want to ..infact every one has right to believe in what so ever one wants..completely agree with it...
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  Sharon jeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  there is a problem with this statement, may be. People may be misinterpreting a phrase and enlarge that as the centre of a new sect and misleading others to believe what they believe in.......... dangerous no?
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  aguasilverposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Then we are on the same page with this fact at least!
  
  The greatest gift we have been given is individual freedom to be wrong or right, fortunately we have access to sufficient information to satisfy our search for what we believe to be correct, and hopefully the wisdom to realise that what we once held to be truth, is often supplanted by another truth previously unseen or discovered.
  
  I remember about 35 years ago visiting Portofino in Italy that could only be accessed (then) by boat (someone famous got married there recently) and the boatman charged a reasonable price to take you there, but wanted double to take you back.
  
  Being (at that time) a Bolshie bastard who objected to being taken for a ride, as well as young and fit, decided to walk back over the hillside, after all, I knew the beach was only a short distance from where we were staying.
  
  As I climbed out of the village, I reached a peak, with exhilaration, only to find that at the top of each peak I climbed, I found another peak in front of me, and so on for what seemed like ages until hot and tired I finally returned to my hotel, for a beer, penny wise and pound foolish.
  
  Life seems similar, each time we ascend to the peaks of knowledge, we find another peak to assail.
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  Sharon jeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  this could be one of the moments when we realise the existence of the powers higher than us so that we can always stay humble regardlessly?
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paarsurreyposted 13 years ago
Jesus was a Jew and he died as a Jew. He did not propound any religion and named it "Christianity". It was later invented by Paul and the Church and named it after Christ; it is a misnomer though. But as long as people say the belong to Christianity- a religion; we have to respect their choice while correcting their wrong concepts; there is no harm in it. I think open-minded Christians would accept it happily to maintain their identity.

Islamism, Judaism, Christianity, Bhudhism were all truthful in their origin as were Moses,Jesus, Buddha, Krishna and Muhammad.
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  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  who gave you or me or other authority to state what is wrong concept and what is right concept?...how do you know what you believe is right concept...your concept may be wrong too...it is better to stick to one's believe but give room to others and remain in position that concept which we believe in might be wrong too..in end no one knows the truth and what we believe in becomes truth for us...
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  Sharon jeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  therefore we need a yardstick: a code of proper conduct or certain teachings, agreeable by most, no?
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  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No...any code of conduct or teachings which comes from any source other than nature is always debatable...only thing which is non debatable is natural...like you dont need to teach humans about how to breath ...any book which is being read , be it be bible or quran or veda or torah or gita divides people...even among believers of same book ,because it is interpretation...compassion, love , empathy are global...we dont need to name it as jesus's teaching or muhammad's teaching or krishna's teaching...it applies to all and figures become irrelevant...we need to promote universal human values more and figures less...who needs teachers who divide when we have values which can unite...
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  Sharon jeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  good points. But....... learning from nature requires a very focus and calm mind, most of us might not have the ability to connect, unfortunately.
  
  System is fixed like breathing system, digestive system etc; mind is not. Fixed systems won't run out of the designed procedure and functions but the thought can go east, west, north, south and even hairwired......... It's too vast and variety to grasp, no?
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  aguasilverposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Actually, in a world of subjective differing opinions, where ostensibly everyone is right (I'm OK, you're OK) there will ALWAYS be one truth that will be THE TRUTH and all other lesser versions will be wrong, by default.
  
  If their must be a higher power, then there must be a highest power.
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Sharon jeposted 13 years ago
It is a happy thing to see different point of views here so that we know which quotes have been promoting fights and wars; which quotes are similar; which might be mistranslated or misinterpreted......

People please share the quotes that irritate you so much that make you repel them or the similarities you have found among them.... Thanks..........
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jomineposted 13 years ago
What is the similarity of all these religion?
They all started from myths, magic and fictions.
They all got so many followers, to die for the claim.
They all make millions of idiots now.
They all have money, power and influence.
They all work for the same.
They all are divisive.
They all make human life a suffering.
They all act like alcohol in soothing silly peoples' minds.

Difference?
They all differ in name and the names of there central characters!!
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  Sharon jeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  haha. richto.....
  
  a good one should make people living happier,on?
  
  like alcohol ? excited or high with mild dosage; uncontrolably beserk when overdose?
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  jomineposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So you think the terrorists were normal?
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  Sharon jeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  which statement makes you think so?
  
  Their act of terrorism is not but the persons might be. They are probably misguided to believe what they believe in and fight for is heroic, making a lot of money etc.......
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paarsurreyposted 13 years ago
The Atheists also differ; they are as many denominations as their number perhaps; they are not united but confused.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No - we all agree. Dear me - please stop lying about me - this is not peaceful behavior.
  
  Thank you.
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  Sharon jeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  why they became atheist? to get confused?
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  In frustration and confusion they accepted Atheism; they are not fruit of any scientific method; history does not prove it.
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  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  history doesnot prove god either...so you may say despression of seeking meaning of life turned people into being religious..
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  Sharon jeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  may be they are searching and found an understanding better than what they see in some disappointing religious people.
  
  Legends came out from somewhere. Ancient human connected easily with super power because their lives were simple and the mind of some were pure. Parting of the red sea; inspiration of Muhamad and Sidhartha etc are proofs, may be.
  
  you reap what you sow i.e if you sow confusion, you get atheist. Science, no?
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paarsurreyposted 13 years ago
From the inception Atheists have never formed any government in any part of the world. Had they been united they would have formed one.

Did the Atheists rule in any part of the world in human history?
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Please stop being silly. This is why political religions such as yours always cause wars.
  
  Of course atheists would not form a government - we are peaceful.
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  Sharon jeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  i think Republic of China. They are atheist, err, communist to be exact. They are united.
  
  Are you a communist too Mark?
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Atheists won’t own Communist China; as China is widely believed to have caused the deaths of 40 to 70 million people from 1949 to 1976 ; they have to lift this baggage with this claim.
  
  They cannot afford to lift this baggage.
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  Sharon jeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Why? please elaborate?
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  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  @paar atheist have always been in minority in the world...as humans we believe in illogical things more ...rumors spread faster than fact, lies flow easily than truth...
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That shows their incorrect and illogical stance.
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  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  right...it is logical to accept something like falsehood and not accepting it ,knowing well how humans live is illogical...you are right...humans are fascinated by stories ,myths and speculations ..or else religion can't exist ..there has to be logical in illogical behavior of humans to believe in something like religion...
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  spookyfoxposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Wha? Being a minority is wrong? Seriously? If anything, I'd think the number of people agreeing on something being the majority tends to imply lack of quality, specially these days.
  
  Wouldn't you agree that the quantity of people in this world and throughout history, who are and were, whether by chance or their own flaws, ignorant and limitted in their knowledge, constitue a majority?
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  Sharon jeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  aha.......... which means?
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  spookyfoxposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Means that the number of people believing in something is proof of nothing.
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  Sharon jeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  well said
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Sharon jeposted 13 years ago
Can i encourage you to debate on the sentences or phrases of a believe that you think are misguiding, promote wars or anything like that?
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paarsurreyposted 13 years ago
From the inception Atheists have never formed any government in any part of the world, in my opinion.

Did the Atheists rule in any part of the world in human history?

If so, where.
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  Sharon jeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  China, Russia, Antartic?
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knolyourselfposted 13 years ago
Hitler murdered millions to create a super-race of the perfected. What's the difference between that and religion where only the perfected avoid the holocaust in after-life?
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  Sharon jeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Religions in the ancient time pronounced wars to discipline. The ancient Gods were a little dictator like, may be, to make know they are Gods and that people shall follow and worship them. Good and Evil always stand together.
  
  We are created in His likeness. But we have more serious flaws like greed, hatred, etc that diverted the purpose and make Hitler or the like believed and behaved as if they are Gods. Probably
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Sharon jeposted 13 years ago
May be these are a few misinterpretation that create terrorism or wars in current time:

Juz 2-2: 190-195

190: Dan perangilah di jalan Allah orang yg memerangimu, tetapi jangan melampaui batas.

Blue Text Fight on the road of Allah whoever against you, but do not be extreme or go overboard.

191: dan bunuhlah mereka di mana kamu temui mereka, dan usirkan mereka dari mana mereka telah mengusir kamu. Dan fitnah (timbul kekacauan) itu lebih kejam drp pembunuhan.

Blue Text And kill them where you meet them, and chase them out of where they chased you off. Creating chaos is crueler than killing.

193: Dan perangilah mereka sampai tiada lagi fitnah, dan agama hanya bagi Allah semata. Jika mereka berhenti maka tiada permusuhan kecuali mereka yg zalim.

Blue Text And fight until the chaos ceased, and religion is for the sake of Allah only. If they stop then no hostility except for those who are cruel.

195: Dan infakkanlah (hartamu) di jalan Allah, dan janganlah kamu jatuh je dalam kebinasaan tangan sendiri, dan buat baiklah.

Blue Text Donate your wealth in Allah's way, and do not fall into your own destruction, and do good.

Juz 6-4:171

Wahai ahli kitab! Janganlah kamu melampaui batas dalam agamamu....................

Blue Text Dear kitab members! Do not go overboard about your religion or belief..........

Please correct if there are any mistakes.......
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paarsurreyposted 13 years ago
@Sharon je

[2:191] And fight in the cause of Allah against those who fight against you, but do not transgress. Surely, Allah loves not the transgressors.
[2:192] And kill them wherever you meet them and drive them out from where they have driven you out; for persecution is worse than killing. And fight them not in, and near, the Sacred Mosque until they fight you therein. But if they fight you, then fight them: such is the requital for the disbelievers.
[2:193] But if they desist, then surely Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful.
[2:194] And fight them until there is no persecution, and religion is freely professed for Allah. But if they desist, then remember that no hostility is allowed except against the aggressors.
[2:195] The violation of a Sacred Month should be retaliated in the Sacred Month; and for all sacred things there is the law of retaliation. So, whoso transgresses against you, punish him for his transgression to the extent to which he has transgressed against you. And fear Allah and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … ;verse=189

I think it is very rational.
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  Sharon jeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  thank you. pardon my poor translation.........
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paarsurreyposted 13 years ago
Islamism, Judaism, Christianity, Bhudhism were all truthful in their origin as were Moses,Jesus, Buddha, Krishna and Muhammad.
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