Who shut down the Government?

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   wildernessposted 10 years ago

   One of my family recently posted a link,
   
   http://m.townhall.com/columnists/thomas … t-n1716292
   
   that, if true, makes it pretty plain that the Republican controlled House voted in a complete budget, enough to operate on, but without provisions for Obamacare.  The Senate, infuriated that there was no money for their pet project included, refused to pass it through and Obama has promised to veto it anyway.
   
   The Democrat controlled Senate, then, has shut down the government by refusing to pass any form of the House's budget.  The budget the House must provide, and did so.
   
   Although it has taken every member of congress to gives us this travesty of posturing, have I been laying the root of the problem at the door of the wrong party?  Have the R's basically done their job and the D's don't like it so close down the country?

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      rebekahELLEposted 10 years agoin reply to this

        If you honestly even consider or believe this to be true, then the corporate billionaires who run the government have successfully done their job. Who gets affected and hurt the most with a government shutdown? 
      Citizens United changed our democracy.

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   Zelkiiroposted 10 years ago

   Everyone in both the Senate and Congress are to blame, but the Republicans a bit more so for failing to fund a program that has already been passed into law and, by definition, and failing to provide funding for said program is failing to abide by the law. And breaking the law is always a no-no.

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      wildernessposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      So the R's actually did fund the country and the D's refused to accept the budget and shut it all down?
      
      Don't think I can swallow that failing to provide funding is breaking the law...we haven't had a budget big enough to operate on for many years.

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      Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      There is no law breaking here. Many contracts are broken but that is business as usual. Not funding a program is the House's right end of story. A bridge to nowhere is an example. A claim otherwise is histrionics. In the process it was the Democratic controlled Senate that blocked funding. I am just about ready to suggest defunding our excursion into Afghanistan.

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         Zelkiiroposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         That's just a plain logical course of action, government shutdown or not. :V

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   WillStarrposted 10 years ago

   Obamacare is what happens when politicians try to fix something they don't know anything about. Instead of just issuing vouchers to the 30,000,000 who they said had no insurance, the Democrats used that excuse to take over 1/6 of the entire economy. They roped us all in, and it was 100% partisan.
   
   Now we are learning that premiums are going to soar for most Americans, and there will be a huge doctor shortage as thousands quit in disgust and far too few new ones are coming on line. We can now expect to wait months for an appointment instead of a few days or a week or two.
   
   Obamacare is already a disaster and can only get worse. The Republicans are just trying to save all of us from its misery. The Democrats are very worried about the monster they have created, and the possible backlash coming in the 2014 midterm elections.
   
   Oh, and we will still have 30,000,000 uninsured!

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      wildernessposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      So who shut down the government, D's or R's?  Or Obama himself?

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         Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         I think it would be safe to say all three. But it really is the process that shut it down. Proving once again that even the best known mechanisms in the wrong hands can be misused.

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         WillStarrposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         We have to remember that this is a continuing resolution because there's no budget. Obama and the Democrats refuse to present a budget because angry Americans would throw them out of office, so we now fund government this sneaky way.
         
         If we had a budget, there would be no crisis:
         
         http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the … lution-is/
         
         Obama has amended Obamacare any times by exempting his political allies and big business. He has also granted Congress sweet deals where 70+% of their Obamacare premiums are paid for by a subsidy. Obama doesn't have the authority to do any of that under the Constitution, but he does it anyway. Who can stop him? We have a tyrant in the White House.
         
         Ordinary Americans get no exemptions, and no subsidies, which is why Republicans are holding out for fairness.

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      gmwilliamsposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Agree, it would be SMARTER to give vouchers to the uninsured.  NOOOOOO, the "genius" wanted to INSTITUTE Obama"care".   Our health care system was good the way IT WAS.  There are ways that people who are uninsured can get medical and health care through some programs.  At a hospital in my neighborhood, arrangements can be made for such patients to pay on a scale in accordance to their respective salaries. 
      
      We DON'T need this stinking Obama"care".    Obama"care" will FAIL-  this country is going to sink into a MUCH, MUCH DEEPER black hole because of this fiasco!  The taste of socialized, eh hmmmm socialist, medicine is making me quite nauseous indeed! 
      
      
      Even though I am NOT a Republican.  The Republicans are the grown ups in this situation. They are doing the right thing in protesting this health care monstrosity and abomination!

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   Reality Bytesposted 10 years ago

   I think both parties are engaging in theatrics so the people will believe there is a difference between them.  That way when elections come around, the people will feel that their vote means something.  We are a one party oligarchy.  Who do you prefer Jack Johnson or John Jackson?

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   SerraBposted 10 years ago

   Republicans threatened to defund the ACA with the proposed budget and were told that Senate and President would not follow through with any such thing. They did it anyways, with the shut down as an imminent next step. Those TPers are great for a laugh. This is all so ridiculous.
   
   Why worry about placing blame when they're all at fault? And I predict the ACA will be around for many, many years. The next president will give it another name and all of a sudden people will love it. Seen the informal poles about how people like the ACA but don't like Obama Care? Hilarity, I tell you.
   /sarcastic.rant

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      Ericdierkerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Very succinct and accurate. Senate and Pres. told House what to do. Wow! And they should abrogate their responsibility because why?? Because they were told to? And doing their job is what is not funding our nations' gov.? And they did vote to fund it and the Senate and Pres. rejected that and they are bad. I am amazed.

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   Reality Bytesposted 10 years ago

   If healthcare is such a worthy cause, why not amend the Constitution?

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   Reality Bytesposted 10 years ago

   

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   barryrutherfordposted 10 years ago

   There is a lot of fear mongering going on about what 'Obamacare' might cost in the future.  No doubt put forward by those that have a vested interest in retaining the status quo.  Here in Australia we are all covered by universal health insurance. You can elected to get VIP health cover by buying private health insurance as well.
   It is in everyone's interest that people get treated in a timely manner should they get sick or injured including the economies.
   
   Why dont you give universal healthcare a chance.  I feel sure you will wonder what all the objections were about.

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