Is there a treatment for God addiction? Or other higher powers?
Agree to disagree sorry for getting off topic. Have a good evening.
I apologize for getting off topic. I just enjoy such conversation. Have a good evening all.
Not your fault. It is kind of a constant. Have a good night.
No apologies necessary. While not the actual forum topic, your discussion was very in depth and concisely expressed. I would be interested to read more in a created forum for it.
Wow! So much activity. I gotta go. But I will be back! Lord willin'...
No problem. You're going to do fine. Don't let the atheists scare you.. they're harmless (mostly). Yes, they will make some rough comments at times but they don't mean it personally. Just keep reiterating that these are your beliefs and you will be fine here. You certainly seem able to hold your own
For most part, many of you are doing well by keeping close to the original thread as busy as it maybe. Just to keep some others more on the intended track.
Think for yourself first, don't believe everything groups tell you or group leaders tell you. Don’t even believe all what I say, question everything that your soul is asking; check it out for yourself first. The most important opinion in the World about the self, is of thou self. Why prepare your whole life for an afterlife you will never know until you get there, plus know your group is the best?
Foremost you are what you think. When the extreme poles of the creations of the world is more based on Science or God theories. Would it not be closer to the truth, moving towards the middle grounds of the Two
People believe there is a three times the probability there is Aliens out there than there is an one and only Yahweh God (lord) for all. Lets take a spaceship and find out, Oh!!! I may have to wait for my dream list in my afterlife, as far as I can imagine or pass it on that spiritual thought to my kid, lets get real on what it will take.
My first topic on Hub pages was about Middle grounds solutions, I think we have evolved since then by looking at the this thread today.- Beth37posted 11 years ago
0con·de·scen·sion noun \ˌkän-di-ˈsen(t)-shən\
: the attitude or behavior of people who believe they are more intelligent or better than other people
Full Definition of CONDESCENSION
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: voluntary descent from one's rank or dignity in relations with an inferior
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: patronizing attitude or behaviorno matter what you say, pointing out logical fallacies that are common and easy to spot is NOT being condescending. You're just taking them that way. Interestingly enough, the person I was actually talking to (which was not you, incidentally) did not accuse me of being condescending. But what more could I expect from you, when you said that EVERYTHING I have ever said to you has either been an attack or willfully insulting.
- Beth37posted 11 years ago0
"Lol. .. Don't strain yourself"
"Do some research. Take a college class on it"
"Do you know the difference between a claim and evidence?"
"I would encourage the others to ignore further posts from you"Gold star for reading. F for correctly determining the intent behind the words.
I'm sarcastic and ironic. It's just the way I am with everyone. If you don't like it, just ignore me. You're not the forum moderator, and you don't get to decide for everyone else what they mean or what their tone is. If you want to be a mocking bird, go right the heck ahead. Knock yourself out. I have actual conversations to continue about actual topics that do not include juvenile behavior that I was tormented with throughout grade school.
Go back to ignoring me and talking about me behind my back. Everyone needs a niche of their very own.
I have no respect for you due to the way you treat others and your double standards that give you a pass for being as rude as you like to others while simultaneously criticizing others for the same thing, and I would prefer to act like you don't exist.
I feel sorry for genaea, and can't take her seriously.
Recommending a college class for gaining knowledge and asking questions is only condescending in your opinion, and I'm sorry- After a year of aggrivation, I just don't give a crap about your opinions or feelings, and you certainly don't respect mine. You're not here to get respect, make friends or be civil, after all. You're here to proselytize, and I'm not interested, nor am I interested in being your new crush obsession after atm. You're not my type, and unlike some, I would never dream of cheating on my beautiful wife - online or anywhere else.
I won't respond to your posts or continually point out blatant hypocrisy if you agree to just ignore mine.Oh J!!! I knew...
save your pity though. You too may need a surplus one day. I am well taken care of. Your first love is now with me.
And the intent behind your words was clear to all including Beth.Clearly not, since neither you or Beth have successfully judged my intent. If it helps you sleep better by assuming false things about strangers, knock yourself out. Still doesn't make it true, and I neither need or want your approval.
Hate me, don't hate me... it's in your power... say I matter say I don't, does it change my value?
It is my belief that we should be able to discuss this stuff without personal attacks.
I have never brought up your personal life, or your sex life, questioned your education or the authenticity of your story. I just think you should be nicer. We can all do this. I really think we can.Anger... obvious. (Not you).
Between lines is near vocal. But loudest...I'm sorry, I thought we were going by the golden rule. Treat others like you want to be treated, and all?
I thought that since you have no qualms about being disrespectful to me, that's how you wanted to be treated. Even when I try to be nice, you still think I'm intending to insult you. I can't win, and I'm sick of trying. You can say that I need to be nicer all you want, but you're certainly not making the effort yourself. I'm sick of it. I gave you an easy way out to ignore me, but apparently you're only interested in ignoring me when it's your idea. Whatever. Do whatever you like. I'm not interested in your little games. Have at it, but I have big people conversations to get back to.I dont disrespect you. I told you I thought you were mean... you do seem to talk down to anyone who disagrees with you, but I said it to you, not behind your back. I think we should all be able to say "I disagree" without bringing up ppl's sex lives. Is that too much to ask?
It's clearly your intent to be disrespectful to me. See how that works? I can say anything I like about your intentions. Does it make it true? Do you like it?
I have completely respectful conversations with a lot of Christians like Chris or Headly. They don't accuse me of things. They don't tell me what I think our howi feel. Yet we still disagree. You followed atm around mercilessly, and now that he's offline for awhile, it seems like I'm your next target. I'm not interested, beth. If you think I'm mean or that some magical power makes you privy to what I think, feel or intend, knock yourself out. Don't talk to me. You were fine with ignoring me a week ago. Just do it. No more conflict. Easy as pie if you can just stick to it.I don't follow him, it is quite the opposite, however I have responded to his posts before... that's kinda how it works. That's neither here nor there though... as you can see, you question my intentions and my morality constantly. Some of us here come to defend our faith. We believe in the Bible, we believe in God, we believe we're sinners. If you didn't want us to talk about it, you all wouldn't come here every day nor start so many threads contesting faith in the very title. We could talk about my faith and your disbelief, but we would need to be able to talk without shooting bullets...
I can't have a single conversation with you about any subject without you leaving the subject matter and taking about me, my approach, my attitude or my intentions so I'm not interested in discussing anything with you. You cannot sick to the subject and focus on the person. I love discussing thesethings, and judging by the majority of conversations that I have with people other than you they are respectful even in disagreement. It's just you. Therefore, I've lost interest in trying with you, and I would appreciate it if you would just respect your assertion that you're not going to respond to me anymore. I'm done. You're not going to see my side of things. And you're certainly not going to admit that you're equally at fault, so there's nothing more to say.
Im sure you're right. It's just me.
Have a good night then.Wow! I cannot believe what just took place. It is not you. It is something else...Atheist and Christian join forces. I have seen it a time or two before. But I still may only say WOW!!!
The snarky don't like snarkiness... so mind your Christian manners and shoot your bullets at the...Christian??? And stay in your dumb place since you haven't had the entire 500 course line in bible doubting along with electives in skepticism for thirty years.It's a sad state of affairs when you see what took place here and think it has anything at all to do with faith.
Sad state of affairs is right! It is the lack of faith that does it.
Knowledge and sanity are used as darts but the turning of the tables is unacceptable? No. Right is right. It comes out a bit human at times but that's ok. The messages are delivered. A dose of truth is harsh at times. Christians are required to withhold truth. Evrn when it cuts.Sorrt , No. We gotta get back on topic. Back to treatments for God addiction
I know right? That's why I was talking about my church. Rational Christianity. Consider it like methadone to a heroin addict.
Yeah, but sometimes it is very dangerous at times trading one drug for another when it isn't used as a means of improvement
Yes, but this is definitively an improvement.
All the squishy feelings of Christianity without any of the ignorance, hatred, stupidity, violence and self-righteousness. As a group, that is.
As an individual, I withhold the right to hate most of the people and wallow in the fact that I am right and they are obviously morally and intellectually impaired.
Yet you don't. You appear to have perfect vision when it comes to what you perceive of others actions yet blind to your own actions.
Once again you are behaving in a manner opposite what you ask others to do. What does this have to do with the forum topic?
I really feel as if someone will lick their tongue out, fling their hair and run off to play.
you wanna go first???God JM, everyone seems to want your tongue tonight.
Invest in antibiotics. Lots of them... and carmex.Yeah, I only go for intelligence, sarcasm and a sense of humor in my women.
It's nice to have another grown up to talk to. What shall we argue about?Is there a treatment for God addiction? Or other higher powers?
I think you should convert to my church. You WONT burn in hell if you don't. That right there should convince you.
Can I talk to you about Jesus?You know, from what I've seen lately, I think ghandi nailed Christianity. I'll visit your church if I get to sit next to you, but if re coverting makes me anything like some of the others, thanks but no thanks
It's great that you mentioned Gandhi. Hindus are welcomed with open arms at my Church. And there's no need to re-convert! We love atheists just they way they are!
We believe in a free and responsible search for truth and meaning. If that truth leads you to Atheism, then we respect that.Omfsm! Respect for who you are without sweeping assumptions and judgements? That doesn't sound Christian at all!
We like to think of ourselves as intelligent Christians. We believe that the days of rolling around on the floor and handling snakes are gone. The inclusion of humanistic teachings into our church has ensured that our members have been educated enough to not believe that demons cause the lights to come on and off. The wailing and gnashing of teeth was getting annoying.
With the addition of reason and science into our faith, we realized that Jesus's teachings of kindness and love didn't include forbidding two people from marrying or forcing women to die in child-birth. We feel it's easier to focus on Jesus's message of love when we don't have to worry about all that "stoning this person" or "putting this person to death" or calling other people abominations.
Yes. The treatment for God addiction is to cut your Godpills in half thus lessening the risk of being "singled-out" or even worse, disliked.
Tell half the truth so that you will not offend your opposer.
Say part of the bible is fake so that the crowd will roar and not hiss.
Believe in God, but don't tell your children(the virus could spread)
Have no other Gods before him (unless of course someone objects-then you may go slightly with the crowd before they quit talking to you
Last but certainly not least think and reason until your eyes pop out for that 99.5% truth with room for error figured in.
Follow these steps carefully, and you will be "cured" in no time!!!Sounds like a solid plan to cure your addiction. Thankfully, I'm content to nurture mine without defending it or worrying about what others think, so I can skip your recovery plan and be none the worse for wear.
Phew!The bible? ...nevermind... see???
you go ahead and nurse your silent faith. I was instructed to tell about mine.Ah, my faith is anything but silent. I just find that lots of my brothers and sisters here talk loudly enough that it will never be heard.
Funny. I hear you all the time. But the words you are able push through by some lucky chance are always seemingly in opposition to faith. But, it doesn't matter which side you pick today. The reasonalists will take you in and love you like one of their own.
What's a reasonalist?
I've no need for anyone to take me in. I'm well loved and taken in by all who matter to me.
Not by you, apparently, but Jesus wasn't recognized by his own either, so I'd say I'm in good company.
Peace, dear sister, and may you drag the souls of many hubbers to Heaven when you go.That's the thing about Christianity, No. Its not about having to drag others to heaven. Its not our place to drag. Its our place to let our actions, words, and love reflect Christ to the point where people willingly come of their own volition
You realize you just said that it is your actions that save ppl?
I know what you meant, but I wonder if you hear that msg when you say it?Yes, I am aware of the message I hear when I said it. I did not say it was my actions that save people. I said it is the reflection of Christ in those actions. I don't try to draw anyone to DM. I try to draw others to (or at least try to let them see) Christ in me. Its not about DM. Never has been no matter how others may view my approach
Right and if they don't, no magic disappearances of certain scripture to persuade. Jesus left the man who loved his worldly possessions more. And he whipped the church vendors. Truth is truth he lived truth. He surrounded himself with those who believed him without biblical edits. He lived for God; no matter what. He did no bargaining with those who opposed him.
Good observation. No Christ did not drop anything at all nor change for anyone. What he DID do though is made believers out of those by addressing a need even as he brought the word. The love in his actions in helping others is what drew them to him and changed them. This is something that is missing in some Christians. They want to stand on a soapbox and evangelize by speaking the word and gospel, but aren't willing to actually show Christ's love to others by trying to see where someone got lost then bringing them back. It is difficult to bring someone to God without first addressing that which led them away. To try to simply speak without acting is like throwing jello at a wall hoping something sticks. Even if something does stick, it isn't enough to affect change, especially if the foundation is still intact. I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with just talking and telling people about the Bible and God, but depending on what your goal is and what you wish to accomplish, it may not be as effective as acting in accordance to the teaching of Christ. Our actions must reflect our teachings or else nobody will buy into it. That is as much on us as believers for lack of representation as it is on the ones that don't accept.
I agree. However, here on Hubpages, I am invisible to all as I speak. The things I say may be a bit harsh but truth often is. Christ knew...no commands to not be truthful or only tell parts of it.
Since opinions are warranted; I find it hard to watch the Christian compromise the messages of Christ. He was NOT "nice" all the time. Especially when the kingdom was at stake. He said follow me. Not be liked. He was not liked because he spoke truth at all costs. I hate to see the Christian stray from truth because he is afraid of being offensive. Jesus did not care about that. He knew he would offend many! Especially the ones in the church busy acting like "good" instead of actually being.Another awesome point you made. There are some messages that are what they are and must be told the way they're told. However, one big issue I see that bothers me is that some messages are delivered in the harshest tones during times when gentleness is what's needed.it isn't changing, removing, compromising, watering down, ear tickling... whatever adjective one would place on it for a Christian to give a message in a softer tone. In my opinion, that is using discernment in assessing which approach is the better one in a given situation. Especially when examining what Galatians speak of the holy spirit. The problem in most cases isn't in the message itself. The problem is incorrect delivery at an improper moment. Even being "invisible" here on HP, one can still minister to the people in a proper tone at a proper time. Its no different than face to face. It starts with learning (as much as one will let you) as much as possible, the person you are addressing, then assessing the best approach. Approaching someone in a manner opposite what they need is counterintuitive of discernment and counterproductive to effective dialogue.
That is not straying from the truth. Its knowing the proper time, place, and tone when delivering itProper tones are for those who follow Christ (being that the bible speaks to those who do) not the opposed. When they don't accept; no need for spreading the table of togetherness. Jesus did not break bread with the guy who loved his riches more. He left him right where he stood. He broke bread with those who followed him; and he taught them the proper perspectives. The miracles performed were for confirmation that he was indeed sent of God. Those acts were performed for those who CAME TO HIM. But many even denied those acts and called him a magician...
Those who did not believe were not allowed to walk with him. The bible says you must first believe that he is... also, how can you expect to receive anything of him??? The time and place is here and now! opposers receive the "sword"; FOLLOWERS receive mercy. In a nutshell.Again, correct and I agree with you. But Christ did not turn away those in search of answers. Even as those opposed him, he made believers of them because he answered questions. Those who opposed him mostly departed from him and accused him. One thing I learned is that an opposer should not always summarily be dismissed and written off. An opposed that is going to remain an opposed will eventually write themselves off once they see that you are standing firm. If there is a small spark of interest, it must be stoked until a flame develops or it fizzles out.
Oh!!! I see... but it is God who draws. I may only tell the story as is. He lovingly wrote off all who opposed his message. Those who sought answers were satisfied with the ones he gave. They did not fight him on the issues. Those who came to test him had to run with tucked tails (remember the accusers?)
Jesus only dragged to heaven, those who wanted to go. He only kept company
with those who believed him. He did not change for them. They changed for him.
He did no editing of scripture or dropping "offensive" parts to appease.
Jesus is still rejected by his own. Thanks for the recognition but I really don't consider us the same. But I'm glad you are not alone in your attempt to NOT drag anyone to heaven. Your circle should be huge the bible promised that it would be.Oh, would that your observations were as innocent and holy and Christlike as you believe they are. My circle is anything but huge. I've never dropped or added anything from or to Scripture because I don't feel the need to do so. I don't feel the need to defend God because...well, he's God and I think he's got this. You have me sadly confused with so many others. Unfortunately, those who can't stand alone often accuse others of pandering to the masses. It may be envy, I don't know. I do know that it is the building block of the wall that keeps people from freedom in Christ, and it saddens me to see so many of my brothers and sisters continuing to manufacture those blocks.
*Edit: I also did not imply a commonality between us in any way. God made you unique, as he did every person he created. He doesn't want slaves or robots as far as I'm aware.He wants those who will obey. He is not hard-nosed; but he has boundaries/rules. He instructed us to tell his message to all. Not be silent and "likeable". Innocent?Not by a long shot. The words of God have purpose. Holy/Christlike me yes at least I try. No, we are not the same.
I'm so glad you keep reiterating that we are not the same.
I suppose you must. I think it's evident without reiteration, but then I'm not worried about being misunderstood.
Don't worry. You are heard and understood loud and clear
So, if ever person on the planet followed God by telling His message, who would be left to tell the message to if everyone were telling it?
He knew better than to think that ALL would obey.
That would mean God either created many who would not obey or failed in creating everyone who would obey. Either way, the fault lays with God, therefore punishing us for not obeying is a travesty.
God created man with a decision to make..."don't eat from that 1 tree" man decided to (notice he was made to be able to decide) disobey. God's "fault" (Lord, I never expected to ever put THOSE two words together) was creating a living breathing being with a MIND of his very own. The travesty lies within man's desire to be disobedient.
God therefore created man to disobey. If that is a fault, then it is God's fault. A creation can only have fault due to it's creator.
It is then a travesty to be punished in any way for using our very own minds.
God therefore created men to be disobedient, so men shouldn't be punished for being disobedient.God created man in his image. The ability to decide was a gift. We misused the gift by looking inside, instead of toward Him. He in all his splendor did not take the gift back; but yet allows us the opportunity todecide before all is lost. Disobedience stripped away immortality. God allows us a chance to get it back.
I have no idea what you're saying, they are just words strung together that have no meaning,
You have allowed religion to grab you. That concentration upon guilt, the so-called God "out their," one who punishes you for wrong-doing, this is the stuff human control over fellow humans and you support it because it suits you - that does not make for your personal enlightenment. IMHO.
Is there some reason why God would want to create food and then deny food for it's creation?
He does not deny food. Greed does. He's bringing food back though! All you can eat!!!
That's not what I asked, you said there was a reason for God denying food when I asked why God denied apples, what was it?
Oh. I thought you were referring to the masses currently starving.
God provided choice. It was one tree of many. Man decided.Still didn't answer the question. And it is a good one.
Why did God tell them not to eat from the tree of knowledge?
Seems silly doesn't it? He didn't want us questioning him with knowledge.There was evil on the tree of knowledge. God knew that. He wanted a world full of the good that he reflects. "Knowledge" makes one to feel superior. As has been demonstrated here in this very conversation a time or two or three. Knowledge makes one to try and figure themselves better than God without knowing all his secrets.
Why would God put evil in knowledge? Does he want a world full of uneducated people attempting to spread the good word of ignorance.
Such silliness.I may be forced to speculate. But speculate is all I can do. He did not say why for all of it.
It does make sense when you look at it through a different perspective. From the perspective of people trying to keep a group of people in line. It makes no sense from the perspective of a God because no God was involved, but it's exactly what someone would say when then didn't want to be questioned.
Then, why do you say you have a reason but are now saying you are speculating?
Would you like me to answer that question for you? I'll give you a clue. She has no idea what she's talking about.
When I know why, I give why. If I don't know why and speculation is necessary, I say maybe or possibly.
You have yet to know why even though you claimed to know why and have resorted to speculation. There is a word for people who say such things.
YES!!! it's you!!!
I missed you. Go'on and call me a liar. The conversation won't be the same... thanks for talking to me!!!
I know your next line will be, "whatsoever do you mean..." I know you so well.Still no reason. I guess you're only here to preach your version of Christianity and nothing else. Too bad you know so little about it and pretend to know much.
He didn't. People did. I've noticed that those with very little intellect tend to advocate that others forgo education. Just like very ugly women hate fashion models.
It's a jealousy thing. God likes intelligent people. Stupid people don't like intelligent people. Is easy, yes/no?Sure, the first thing people need to understand is that only people would do that. It only makes sense when you understand that.
I agree. That's what makes the motivations of some posters so obvious. They are talking about God to fulfill their own needs... usually for attention and admiration...rather than any real desire to worship him.
It's apparent when confronted with questions that they aren't intelligent enough to answer they spout gibberish in an effort to awe. It works with other people in the same boat but does nothing but imply a connection with Jesus that doesn't exist. That connection is repelling to others. That once again, shows that God is secondary to their own ego... as a believer shouldn't want to drive people away.
But that is a digression. The question that arises next is since only people would do that, does that mean that there is no God. The two options are 1. No. and 2. Yes, but obviously the people got it wrong. Both options could be valid, although we would likely argue about the probability of each option.
You are contradicting yourself. God obviously created the evil on the tree of knowledge.
No, it doesn't, it makes one knowledgeable.
Again, that makes no sense? What secrets?
You said you had a reason but you have not given the reason. What was the reason?
Cgenaea is making her god up as the arguments progress. Makes good entertainment.
It's simply absurd. We are expected to believe that a single God that lives outside space-time and always has decided about 14 billion years ago to create this universe with it's billions of galaxies so that 14 or so billions years later a few powerless people would obey and worship him while we struggle to survive and feed each other.
It's simple absurd.
So, it appears that you disapprove of the way some other Christians show their Christianity to others. You pick your fellow Christians apart, criticize their ways and actions, and show even them-your spiritual brothers and sisters- a holier than thou, condescending back-hand. Why? It's very off-putting. You may say that the truth hurts and that the Bible says what it says, like it or not, but all I have to say for that is that the Bible's words can be taken out of context. Yes, it may say something in particular, but are you using that 'particular' in the way that it was intended, in the context that it was written? This is the danger of USING the Bible to defend anything at all. It will and can say pretty much anything that anyone WANTS it to say. Period.
You seem to frequently be disapproving of and toward some, most I dare say, of your fellow believers in Christ, never being satisfied or happy with their ways, words, and actions, always picking on how they represent Christianity, etc. I see some Christians be incredibly harsh and very cruel to and toward one another here on the forums and in the questions section of HP on a constant basis. Christians fight/disapprove of one another/judge/act hostility toward one another so commonly, it's amazing to see, shocking even, sometimes. That's an 'amazing' in a sad way not in a positive, awe-inspiring way. Behavior in such ways leaves little wonder why some not only turn away but stay away from Christianity. If all Christians want to be respected for what their religion represents, then they should represent that religion with respect.
I cannot see the Christ in a Christian that sets themselves as a martyr, thinking that if they purposely say things to 'draw fire' for being a "true" tell-it-like-it-is-Christian they will then get to play the self-serving "persecution card" that they appear to be seeking out, and won't stop until they get it. Some see this "persecution" as proof and confirmation that they really are being a "true" follower of Christ. After all, the Bible did say so, right? Again, context...right intentions...manner that it was written...
"Who you are speaks so loudly I can't hear what you're saying" ~Ralph Waldo Emerson~
There is a lot less hostility within the Atheist community, or so it appears to me. Entirely less in comparison to a lot of the Christian community. Funny that.I understand your position. But it is not you that I want to impress. Though I guess that would be nice. Holier than thou is also a relative view; opinionated in nature. Since my words are biblically based, I have no fear of judgment. There is a certain something that makes one to "shudder" at truth. It's not genaea. To know Christ is to know real strength. He was what he needed to be at all times. Humble enough to "serve" his family. And fierce enough to break out a whip at injustices in his house. Discernment knows which is needed at what time.
I am a vessel. A broken vessel. I may not elevate myself above the crooks nor rapists. I am guilty of every crime. I am as dirty as the dirtiest but I know that with God, I may appear white as snow. Knowing myself the way I do keeps me from the pride that ends in destruction. I have not preached genaea. I know HER too well. I promote the message of Christ to ALL. I cannot lose with that message. The people TRY to make it about me. But that is a resisted tactic.I'm not asking or wanting you to impress me, Cgenaea. Not at all. Going toe-to-toe with your own, repeatedly pointing out how different they are than you, suggesting that if they do things differently than your way that is then a bad thing or does not make them as "true" as you, is likely to not impress God or Jesus though. But, of course, I'm assuming and I could have it totally wrong. But, it's possible that if your true intention is to impress one or both of them with that type of behavior, I fear it may fall short. You are not the first person in the forums to be absolutely convinced that they have it all correct and people just misunderstand you or your intentions towards others. I suspect that you won't be the last.
I'm not "making" anything to be about you. With all do respect, your words do that all their own, no tactics were needed.
I'm not wanting to be harsh to you in any way, Cgenaea. I think that your Christian "heart" is in the right place but sometimes we can't see it for the human ego.This is not about genaea as I have stated. And if you twist your statement about the treatment of "your own" around a bit, it would be more fitting in my OPINION. I am not offended by yours. I know the source. I am not the least bit concerned about how I am viewed in this or any other forum. The point is to give the word of God unwaveringly. I KNOW some will be offended.
It would look like you have offended much more than some.
It always offends true Christians when pretenders preach false doctrine for personal reasons and claim it's the absolute truth.
It should be obvious to every Christian here that hateful lies and arrogance is a sin against God. The real Christians here are tolerant enough to assume it comes from simple ignorance instead of it being the work of Satan. Since we live in the Spirit, we have to assume the best of those who commit the sin of pretending to know the mind of God.
It doesn't mean it doesn't offend us.Great!!! You have the floor. Please provide for your audience two examples of genaea's false doctrine. Even genaea needs to hear.
I shy away from false, I thought.Hey Melissa, correct my if I'm wrong here, but doesn't the American psychological association state that referring to oneself in the third person is a classic example of narcissism? Isn't that directly contrary to a repeat assertion that it's not about pride or arrogance if one demonstrates narcissistic tendencies?
Lol. The genaea is not bourne of arrogance or narcissist tendencies. It is easily burned into the brains of all who wish to make it about genaea.
It absolutely states that. It's one of the big qualifiers... although, to be fair, it does show up in other dissociative disorders.
And what disorder do you display by becoming silent upon being asked to give an example of your statement about genaea?
Not, not really. I'm sure it's happened, but it's not common. However if they were there before the TBI, they are likely going to be magnified tenfold.
Or temporary and then...fine.
No falsehoods??? Just jabber about my tbi many years ago???That's kind of what I thought. It's been years since I took abnormal psychology
Really? From my watch it's been about 10 minutes...
Really? Are we talking about taking the class itself or just the observation portion?
Immersion education... in addition to an ideal test subject to observe.
"Cognitive deficits that can follow TBI include impaired attention; disrupted insight, judgement, and thought; reduced processing speed; distractibility; and deficits in executive functions such as abstract reasoning, planning, problem-solving, and multitasking.
People who have suffered TBI may also have difficulty with understanding or producing spoken or written language."Oh! And we are speaking about dissociation...what's your name again??? Lol
"Personality changes are often an exaggeration of the person's pre-injury personality in which personality traits become intensified"
http://www.caregiver.org/caregiver/jsp/ … nodeid=396
It is not the word of God that offends. I am not offended by the word of God. Do not mistake that. I know the difference between YOU and GOD. No worries, that is obvious, I assure you.
You really think that how you so often represent Christianity here on these forums is how it's supposed to be done? That it's your duty to offend? Then I pity you, really. It's sad, my opinion entirely. You are not fooling anyone, least of all, I'm sure, your fellow followers of Christ, again, my opinion entirely. I'm thankful that there are other Christians on these forums that I can converse with and admire and, through and with them, see the beauty of what Christianity can be. You know the ones that are YOUR spiritual brothers and sisters that you rebuke, and so often criticize so vehemently? Yeah, those. Thank you, Jesus!Bless you.
I see a bit of emile and getitrite. However, the words that you speak to me are like sounding brass and tinkling cymbals. I have been here before, I assure you, just in case you don't know. And I am more than comfortable. The words I speak are biblical. To stray from that is against the rules. The bible is for reproof. Now if you may give me a bible verse that says I am off, please do... the bible is my tool. Opinions of the bible are VERY irrelevant. Jesus NEVER said it is written... and finished with, so how do you FEEL about that?I feel perfectly fine about it, thank you. I'm cool with Jesus. I respect him immensely. Now, those that use his teachings to knock others down instead of build them up, bicker with others claiming it's sanctioned by his word, maybe not so much. I just don't think that his words or the Bible's words are supposed to be used in that way at all. But hey, what do I know? You could be doing exactly as God and Jesus want you to but if so and that's the case, I'm all good right where I am. Carry on, of course.
The bible unfortunately knocks some down. I am not immune. But truth it is. See...I wasn't asking you how you felt. I was stating that Jesus gave no acknowledgment to feelings once he spoke the word of God. No where did I read that. I did read though cry loud and spare not...? I read the word is a two-edged sword. I read that those who did not accept his message were not given his time. We have a few people in this thread who feel as if the bible needs correction and not the other way around. I did read too aabout believing self to be more correct. And how puffed up it makes one appear.
Have you ever read any of the myriad quotes about holding one's tongue? I've been reading those lately. I think we get so puffed up with ourselves that we spend way too many words getting others to listen. Keeps them from ever being able to hear the Lord speak.
Keeps us from hearing him too. I think he'd be grateful if we all shut up now and then.So when does the bible say is a good time to shut-up (or bridle the tongue)? The bible is the tool I work with. Please point out my biblical flaw.
There is no need for me to point out your flaws, any more than there is a need for you to point out mine. They are evident without our drawing attention to them. But here, you can ask the bible directly. Peace.
http://www.openbible.info/topics/taming_your_tongueGreat site! It DOES tell the one who should be quiet. Did you read ANY of them along with their surroundings to receive context. I know bible script is not spoken of as vile speaking, or death, or SELF-righteousness, or defilable... right?
So easy to miss the point.
Anyway, to answer your question, I actually read my bible, and pray on it. All of it. In context. Over and over again.
And I maintain after having done so for more than fifteen years now that the Lord expects us to be silent more often than we speak.
I'm not talking about the Bible knocking anyone down, I'm referring to YOU using the Bible to knock other people down...major difference. Can you not see the difference? If doing that rocks your socks, if you get a high off of using the Bible to sanction YOUR ego, so be it, continue to wallow in that mire all you want. I see it as doing more harm than good but knock yourself out. I'm just thankful beyond measure that I can see the difference between the God's word and yours.
-the theThen maybe YOU can help me.
I have been trying to receive a biblical quote that shows me to be in the wrong. It is not my intent to "rock my socks" cuz that is an animal of a differed sort. I see MUCH pride within this forum; but to me, I am the humble one. The words I speak are not my own. They ARE biblically based. I have quotes. I believe it is true. Jesus did too. So please help me see biblically that I have said ENOUGH!We can all read the bible, too. There is nothing you can say that we don't already know.
James 1:26
If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless.
Proverbs 17:28
Even a fool who keeps silent is considered wise; when he closes his lips, he is deemed intelligent.
Proverbs 21:23
Whoever keeps his mouth and his tongue keeps himself out of trouble.
Proverbs 15:1
A soft answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger.
Psalm 141:3
Set a guard, O Lord, over my mouth; keep watch over the door of my lips!
Proverbs 10:19
When words are many, transgression is not lacking, but whoever restrains his lips is prudent.
Titus 3:2
To speak evil of no one, to avoid quarreling, to be gentle, and to show perfect courtesy toward all people.
Proverbs 26:20
For lack of wood the fire goes out, and where there is no whisperer, quarreling ceases.
Ecclesiastes 3:7
A time to tear, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;
Proverbs 10:18
The one who conceals hatred has lying lips, and whoever utters slander is a fool.
James 3:1-12
Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness. For we all stumble in many ways. And if anyone does not stumble in what he says, he is a perfect man, able also to bridle his whole body. If we put bits into the mouths of horses so that they obey us, we guide their whole bodies as well. Look at the ships also: though they are so large and are driven by strong winds, they are guided by a very small rudder wherever the will of the pilot directs. So also the tongue is a small member, yet it boasts of great things. How great a forest is set ablaze by such a small fire! ...
James 1:19-20
Know this, my beloved brothers: let every person be quick to hear, slow to speak, slow to anger; for the anger of man does not produce the righteousness of God.
Exodus 14:14
The Lord will fight for you, and you have only to be silent.
Colossians 4:6
Let your speech always be gracious, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how you ought to answer each person.
Proverbs 17:27
Whoever restrains his words has knowledge, and he who has a cool spirit is a man of understanding.
1 Peter 3:15
But in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respectConsider it pure joy, my brothers and sisters,[a] whenever you face trials of many kinds, 3 because you know that the testing of your faithproduces perseverance. 4 Let perseverance finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything. 5 If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you. 6 But when you ask, you must believe and not doubt, because the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind. 7 That person should not expect to receive anything from the Lord. 8 Such a person is double-minded and unstable in all they do.
James 2-8 just a little bit further up your first interpretation. The bible chapter needs to be read in its entirety to get the gist. There is a process in obtaining the instruction that the bible gives. Faith in it, is at the TOP of the list. Thanks. I will speak to you later about the rest of your scriptures. But for now, it's w really good place to start thinking.Moving the goalposts? Didn't you say you wanted quotes? Well, you got em.
With all due respect, the issue isn't about whether or not you (or anyone else) has faith. It's whether or not you should spend every waking minute talking about it...talking about God...talking about Jesus. Try introducing people to him. He can take it from there.
But what about spending all day denying God? What about spending all day twisting scripture and allowing yourself to believe it tainted and unreliable???
Sigh.
Have never denied God in my life. I rarely even discuss scripture in these forums and never twist it when I do.
Talk about not seeing.
Oh well. Be at peace, dear sister. I can wish you nothing more than that.If you've showed us anything, it is that you actually have the ability to read the English language, but that's about it. You don't appear to have the capacity to answer any questions or even understand what it is you're reading, and there is nothing you've said that is new or interesting.
For being able to read the English language, I say, congratulations!
This proves that you can't use scripture to verify your claim, as the Bible has so many contradictions that it can't possibly be a guide to understanding anything. It just causes conflict.
Examples:
PRO 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
PRO 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
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EXO 15:3 The Lord is a man of WAR: the Lord is his name.
ROM 15:33 Now the God of PEACE be with you all. AmenDiscernment is highlighted. Spiritual guidance is given.
The two Proverbs actually do not contradict. The first one (Answer not a fool according to his folly) is telling people not to lower themselves to the fool's level. Don't get caught in a useless conversation that you can't win because the fool will take anything you say and make out like it supports his point. The second one (Answer a fool according to his folly) is telling people to show the fool the error of his ways.
Exodus 15:3, if you take it in context (which the failure to do so is a mistake that so many people make) is part of a song about how the Lord saved Israel from the Egyptians.
Romans 15:33 comes at the end of the letter that lays out Christian theology more clearly and in-depth than any other letter in the Bible. It's an ending to the letter. It doesn't contradict the OT in any way, because the God of Peace can certainly still be a warrior. It's not like Kali suddenly got cute and cuddly.Chris, it is apparent that you can will yourself to believe anything....when it comes to your archaic beliefs. You don't need to explain these verses to me, as I know your only motive is to trick yourself, and others, into confirming that Goddunnit. What a treacherous delusion..
Seeing someone take pride in their humility is an interesting phenomenon.
I suspect that I or anyone could post Bible quotes all day long to prove or disprove whatever you wish. As I've said, it can pretty much say, in one form or another, anything that anyone wants it to. I shall refrain from falling to the ploy of posting bible quotes just for you to say that they read differently to you, you then using that as self-assured confirmation that you're correct and then in turn becomes used to reinforce your claims that you only speak Biblically. It is a cycle that I care not to participate. It is highly unlikely that you will see any Bible verse unbiased. I, therefore, will pass on this invitation to aid or help...my apologies.
So are you admitting that you need professional help?
This is the most self loathing thing I have ever heard. IMO....professional help couldn't hurt. Sad!
I think I'm ok with being black, as I don't think that my appearance is a sin.
Pride?! Yep...definitely not pride.Dark brown is a beautiful skin color. Not "sinful" one bit. Spiritually white has nothing to do with your "juicy" skin tone. It is knowing truth accepting that truth as
factual and thinking along those lines as much as possible. The admission that I make is that I need Jesus. It does not bother me that you don't. But it seems tobbother you...
As far as my intellectual capacity; I feel that I may run circles around you, but it could just be my delusions actin' up again...But you don't know of any TRUTH, as you are immersed in a delusional belief only. You have only accepted the whimsical and disturbing imaginations of ancient charlatans, and allowed them to enslave your mind.
That's because my reality hasn't caused the conflicts and miseries that your religion has. Yes it bothers me that these fraudulent con men have enslaved the minds of so many, by indoctrinating children so that, as grown ups, they spout the egregious nonsense you assert in these forums....not having the awareness of how silly it really sounds. This is an urgent problem.
Really?! That's even more delusional than your beliefs. SMH.
Perhaps that should be a lesson that we could all learn from.
THE VISIONS OF SADHU SUNDAR SINGH - THE WORLD OF SPIRITS
Once in the course of conversation, the Saints gave me this information. "After death the soul of every human being will enter the world of spirits, and every one, according to the stage of his spiritual growth, will dwell with spirits like in mind and in nature to himself, either in the darkness or in the light of glory. We are assured that no one in the physical body has entered into the spiritual world, except Mshikha and a few Saints, whose bodies were transformed into glorious bodies, yet to some it has been granted, that, while still dwelling in the world, they can see the world of spirits, and heaven itself, as in 2 Corinthians 12:2, though they themselves cannot tell whether they enter Paradise in the body or in the spirit."
After this conversation, these Saints conducted me around and showed me many wonderful things and places. I saw that from all sides thousands upon thousands of souls were constantly arriving in the world of spirits, and that all were attended by angels. The souls of the good had with them only angels and good spirits, who had conducted them from their deathbeds. Evil spirits were not allowed to come near to them, but stood far off and watched.
I saw also that there were no good spirits with the souls of the really wicked, but about them were evil spirits, who had come with them from their death-beds, while angels, too, stood by and prevented the evil spirits from giving free play to the spite of their malicious natures in harassing them. The evil spirits almost immediately led these souls away towards the darkness, for when in the flesh, they had consistently allowed evil spirits to influence them for evil, and had willingly permitted themselves to be enticed to all kinds of wickedness.Of course. The explanation is that anyone who doesn't have a useful and original contribution to a conversation will post an excerpt from a piece of writing by someone else, hit enter on their keyboard, and, with a flourish of their hand, claim their spiritual victory.
The rest of us will go straight to hell. Simple really.
Wilderness- we are are part of our genetic makeup traits taken from our parents etc. You laugh life genetics prove my answer wrong. The fact is we I may be taller than others due to my genetic makeup but I dont turn into a tall monkey or any new species.
How do you know that? All evidence points to the fact that species do, indeed, change into a different species.
What can you point to showing it to never happens? Just that you are not a cat or dog?
Wilderness a everybody has genes buddy that is not the theory of evolution, and you laugh and the only fool is you. When your grandkids turns into some new species then I will talk to u about evolution. Or if you find any worththwhile fossil record of all these monkey to humans. Where are they? They have like a hominid and one other species Lucy or whatever sorry but their would be tons of fossilized skeletons we would have found to making the link from monkey to human. If you want go say u came from a monkey go ahead. I'll stick with the word of God.
If you wish to discuss evolution you really need to learn something about it first.
If not, stick with your fairy tale. I suspect you will be much happier.That would be millions of years from now, our grandkids will only slightly change such that we will hardly notice and it is highly unlikely a new species will emerge
In museums and universities being studied, where else?
There are a great deal of fossils, tons in fact.
Monkeys and humans have the same ancestors. Humans are primates just like monkeys. Here's a lengthy list of primates...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_primates
That said, we don't even need fossils to show evolution is correct and that we evolved along with every other living organism on earth.
i know enough to know i don't know. i don't see knowledge here . i see people grasping at straws , giving their best guess, and spit balling ideas. and my idea of god? is not that guy.applying a gender to a god is to spread the word of ignorance . i think. i could be wrong tho
It must be obvious to the learned that admiration is not my goal. The Lord knows the heart. I am not afraid of judgment. and I'm grateful.
See...it is lukewarm that judgment will be harshest for. Our father spews one who edits the word of God for squishy feelings.
We do not think as he does. He does not need our opinionated fillers. His word is not subjected to our understanding we must acknowledge him to get the right direction. If we first look to how we feel about what he says, we stand in his way on many levels.Well don't ALL speak at once!!! You're clogging up the airways
LMAOROTF!!! will she get TBI? I think it's cute.
make me crazy. Then look up EVERY word... the bible backs what I'm saying. And also verifies your tactic. Blessed I am....must've hit a REALLY sensitive area.
no wonder the bible is chopped up the way it is, people's feelings really suffer. Even to the point of fallacious statements; projection; and teasing about traumatic injury. Wow!
But it's ok...get it out.- Deepes Mindposted 11 years ago0
Okay, Melissa and JM, I hadn't been in the forum in a while, but hey, remember we're supposed to be staying on forum topic. No gang style bully tactics
Can't possibly bully someone if you never actually name them or speak to them.
Actually, it is still a form of bullying. You do not have to directly engage someone to bully them. Kids have committed suicide from depression from being talked about
And I understand that and can appreciate it to a degree, which is why we were taking in general terms. If someone makes assumptions or thinks we're automatically discussing them, that's about them more than us.
Forgive me Deepes, but I believe they are attempting to help. But to do that they first must figure out what the problems are.
I also believe they are right on topic. They have to understand what the problems are before they can suggest a treatment for the God addiction.The treatment for the addiction was laid out already
The bullying comment is actually secondary to the original point.
It's a problem all the way around. I think it falls into the log in the eye category. Who is anyone to address what they perceive to be problems in others? What makes us desperately need to attempt to change the beliefs of others? Are ours truly superior, if in our delusions of superiority we belittle the beliefs of others? I don't see the upside.
The bible is superior to me. That is why my argument is not based on my opinion or my interpretation of scripture. It is bible verse that reveals the heart and some people don't like that very much. Sometimes that someone is me. So please! Give me just one scripture to show that I am 1. A liar. 2. Crazy 3. A judgmentally prideful being. Then you will be able to be heard. Your OPINIONS are really quiet.
If I did that, along with my interpretation of the verse, would you agree that you are a crazy liar or would you say your interpretation is superior and gives the "proper" view?
It IS a little comical to see you claim you do not base your arguments on your interpretation of the bible when you have repeated said your arguments are biblical.No problem, you can believe that if you want. But, the bible is not superior to me and most likely others here as well. It is also not your place or your right to tell us it is superior to us, that is something we can decide for ourselves.
Ooooohhhhhh!!! See, that's my WHOLE claim, that is biblically verifiable; the bible is superior. If you don't believe that, we miss...
The bible is not superior to me, is not verifiable and I miss nothing as a result.
Hmm. My opinions are simply opinions. As are yours. I respect your right to hold them as truth for you. I'd be interested in understanding why you don't feel compelled to extend me similar courtesy.
You ARE extended the same courtesy. You are encouraged to have your own opinion. When I speak it is scripture not my opinion. Believe the bible or don't. I am never saying that anyone must have my take.
But listen: I am not offended when I receive taunts and jeers. Why are so many offended by scripture. I know why, I just want to take down some opinions here.Honestly? I don't think the Bible, itself, offends anyone. It is interpretation that offends. Interpretation egotistically passed off as truth. That goes all the way around. Whether it be a Bible Thumper thumping or an atheist complaining. We all see what we want in the words. The question is why do we see what we see.
The bible offends the masses. Egotism is not really in question. I speak not of myself. Give me an example of my offence please. I'd like to explain myself if allowed. Humbly I ask.
Then, you better make sure to support the bible and shout it from every rooftop with every fiber of your being, you wouldn't want to not offend the masses, would you?
We want to state the truth. The chips will fall where they may. We are all adults here..."marginally"
So how about moving out of the childishness?
Still don't get it? We can read the bible ourselves, you don't need to state anything that we can read for ourselves.
To act like an adult would mean to understand that we can all read the very same book as you and don't need to be treated as children.
So how about moving out of the childishness?
I don't have a problem with you. You aren't any different from anyone else vehemently arguing your position. The point is, i do know the scripture. I've read it all. I got something completely different out of it. Why? Because we get what we need. You'll argue that. You'll say 'No. I get what God said.' But, i disagree. We flavor the whole thing with our needs. Some need God to be loving. Some need God to be vengeful. Some need forgiveness and some simply need God to be an ass. And, our needs are easily satisfied through interpretation.
You go on being who you are, believing what makes you happy. Everyone else does. Why should you be any different?Ok, I will tell you this. There are a few areas left to interpretation. Lean not unto your own understanding is something that many miss. The mind needs guidance because it is very capable. I do not mind your ideas, as I have heard that gray is how you see many things. But biblically that is a no. Hot or cold is what the Lord prefers. Or did you get a different view of that that causes the spewing of the Lord?
You don't offer guidance, you only offer the very same thing we all are capable of reading ourselves.
The bible properly devided is what guides. Not genaea.
We can all read the bible for ourselves, so we don't need your guidance or anything else.
Again, genaea is not the guide... she's the "parrot"
People prefer to read things for themselves rather than listening to squawking parrots, thanks.
I understand that. And I am positive that this conversation is FREE enough that ANYONE may come and GO as they please. Or better yet: watch from the sidelines as others have attested to working really great for them until they just cannot stand my "supposed falsehood" (that they fail to produce evidence for) any longer and MUST interject.
Parroting is not a conversation, it is just parroting. You aren't actually discussing anything.
There's been a great deal presented to you to show your falsehoods, but you ignore it and carry on despite that fact.
Then genaea really needs to quite giving personal interpretations and jut repeat verbatim. Like a parrot does.
Or, as has been mentioned, just allow people to get their information from the bible or God, either one.
And just who taught YOU how to properly divide the Bible? And why should we take their interpretation over anyone else's? Please try, for once, to stop being stuck in your mindless bias, and answer the question....completely....and logically. Thanks
Don't you think, then, that genaea should shut up and encourage people to read for themselves, interpret for themselves, and let God do the guiding/instructing?
She might not, after all, have the correct interpretation...Spiritual things require spirit. When one hasn't a clue what spirit is; much less about how they are affected by spirit each day (like it or not), they may not fully grasp any answer that I can muster.
Is that like saying people are not going to experience the same hallucinations a person has on LSD unless they take LSD, as well?
I hate to keep saying this, but you JUST DON'T SEEM TO COMPREHEND. There is no evidence of anything called SPIRIT. NONE! That's a done deal with the Atheist on here, so why do you keep mindlessly referencing something that we have categorically dismissed?
In other words, one has to ignore the fact that no such thing exists, in order to understand how they are affected by it. How can ANYONE make themselves believe such illogical foolishness?In some people it seems to be bordering on a sickness.
A black light that you need special glasses to see it. Magical stuff that needs a lot of belief. No thanks.
Because you keep mindfully stating that belief in God is a fairytale written by charlie's angels; and it refers to an imaginary fairytale of a god that you KEEP spending many minutes per day dwelling on...
I think you see what you want. As long as you want to see it, no one can effectively help you grasp anything different. But, i see no cosmic vengeance in store for humanity. It simply doesn't line up with the figure of Jesus.
Don't you get the point? We can read scripture, too. You don't need to tell us anything that we already don't know.
Does that mean we quit telling it? You know already? What about him who believes that the Lord condones killing and rape? Do we let that too stand uncontested?
Yes, you can stop anytime now, we are well aware of what the bible says.
We seem to know more than you, so you're not actually telling us anything new.
He can read the bible, too.
There isn't anything you can contest that hasn't been contested before.Ok. I will understand if now you stop talking. Since that is your view. But I also heard that we have a duty to tell the truth honestly. It is what comes from the lips that defiles you. If scripture comes from your lips properly devided you are clean. Not defiled.
Why would you have a duty to repeat the very same words I can read for myself? Are you a parrot or just trying to show us you're capable of reading the English language?
It is the duty of the faithful. Orders from their God.
Irritate the heathen by browbeating them with nonsense until they hate the sight of a believer coming around the corner. Until they run from any mention of the god they worship. Endless repetitions of scripture are quite effective at this, particularly if they can get multiple believers all spouting the same thing.
It keeps the church clean of heathen, of the unclean and of new converts that might not contribute their share.Isn't that just rote learning? Ring the bell and salivate?
Left unchecked the believers will completely dismantle our secular state and we'll end up like Iran.
That's ridiculous. Those type of believers are a minority. I don't know about your nation, but ours has no intention of going that route.
Dear Lord in heaven, we are feeling the penetration of the briars and thorns sharp thrusts deep into our hearts. We live among the scorpions, spiders, and snakes that discharge poisonous venom and stings, creating lethal toxicities to our minds, and causing heavy grievance to our hearts. They contaminate, taint and infect our children with their harmful webs they weave, and humble ourselves to you as we cry for their future. We realize more than ever Lord, how we are all guilty of allowing these poisonous creatures to invade our land and our people without any regard of you and your teachings. We repent of our sinful nature today Lord and ask you to forgive our thoughtlessness and disregard of your love and protection of our people and our country. We ask that you forgive us for not listening to you and heading your word of honor and the very throne in which you sit. We thank you Lord for the dark clouds that produced rain upon our people to wake us from slumber, with realization of our iniquities. We thank you for your promise of rainbows, and your bright sunlight to return smiles to our faces, and guide our way back to victory by your power, might, and forgiveness. Lay your soft loving hand upon those who continue their hardened hearts, that they may understand your purpose and feel your love and affection. We beseech your unyielding love and grace that will bless us with peace, wisdom, and understanding once again in our minds and hearts.
In Jesus’ name we pray, and give you all the glory and praise, AMENAnd made it very well, I'd say.
Minority or not, that kind of thing needs careful watching - it is more dangerous to the nation than any group of radical muslims in planes.
Why would say such terrible, hateful things about people here?
My former pastor said, "when you throw a rock into a pack of dogs, the only one that hollers is the one you hit." Now, who in the world was "hit" by that description??? I didn't take it personally one bit... did you???
You didn't take that hate speech personally because you agreed with it as if you said it yourself.
When you utter hate speech to your 'pack of dogs' and then throw rocks at them, you only add injury to insult.Oh wow em; I was sure that you would understand the parabolic metaphor. I would not call anyone a dog but myself. I am just NOT that disrespectful. I'm really sorry if you took that personally. No rocks thrown. Oh! Unless you call ignorant, delusional, self-serving, or egotistical a rock. But then you'd have to scold your own team.
I understood you perfectly, you agreed with susannj11 vitriolic hatred with a resounding "AMEN!" and went on to insult further by referring to us as a pack of dogs in which stones were tossed revealing a dog that was hit by that hatred, the "parabolic metaphor", as you call it.
However, all you managed to accomplish is to reveal the true nature of your religious beliefs and what you really think of others.
You must be very proud of yourself. Amen to that.You sure spend a lot more time here when ATM is inclined not to participate.
Is there some reason you are focusing on me and not the subject matter? Do you have something to add to this thread or are you just trolling?
Exactly as ATM would have said... were he inclined to be here, which he is obviously not. Please continue.
Actually, it's what anyone would say when they are being trolled.
I am impressed. Some have managed to fool so many. But spirits are like fingerprints.
Thinking is your gift. I see that... now, willyou pplease listen. You are mis taken. I have not hurt you.
I wasn't hit. I simply find something like that sad. In that someone would write it about their fellow man. Such hatred of others does need to be addressed.
Not hatred; love. God say pray and gosh darnnit... the spirit is rather icky on this page. Now don't get me wrong, I don't mean holy spirit... it kinda feels negative. Now, for me, the words of the bible are like a fresh misty rain in the driest desert.For oothers, a slap in the face. We know whose who by the response to the perfect principles of God. Not my interpretation. My words come from scripture. Scripture is the cause of ALL of this strife??? No. It is your opinion of this genaea keep on saying all these scriptures and not NICELY? Well I'll be... if you are offended by scripture, that is addressed to you; not me.
Well, sure. Comparing others to scorpions, spiders and snakes is just a bit of bon homie. As is your comment about a pack of dogs
I don't mean to insult, but people who do that make me wonder what they were like prior to finding religion. Did they fit that category? I suppose that might explain such behavior, to some extent. It's a tad myopic. Simply because some will go that route without fear of cosmic retribution doesn't mean others do.
I wonder. If we were naturally prone to be scorpions, spiders, snakes and ravenous dogs would a deity have bothered? Would it have made us of that nature, only to allow self appointed prophets of doom attempt to lord their opinions over the rest of us?
If, seeing us in that manner were correct interpretation of the nature of God, wouldn't Jesus have conducted himself in a similar manner?
If we are made in God's image and Jesus was the manifestation of God on earth wouldn't he have been a scorpion, snake, spider or ravenous dog? Of course, he did refer to the self appointed prophets of doom who lived in his age as a den of vipers. Do you find that telling, or can you interpret your way out of that obvious problem?3 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.[14] [b]
Matt 23:13 & 14???
That script is full of "telling" info. This verse explains that all of the injustices are committed toward them who are trying... those in the body of Christ. The teachers of the law added another aspect; respect for themselves. Twisted versions of scripture were added to "yoke; harness; and bind" GOD'S people. Jesus was sent to correct them. But did they listen??? Were they humbled by truth??? No, they became wise in their own eyes. They felt that they understood the weight of the law. So, they continued washing the OUTSIDE of the "cup" while the inside was filthy. They were more righteous than the one Father sent. They told him that they were ok with their understanding and they didn't need his "silly/delusional" changes to THEIR ways. Or something like that... sound familiar?
Your words and the words from scriptures are two different things.
Your words are in agreement with the vitriolic hatred spouted by someone else, in which you shouted a resounding "AMEN!", you know that and we know that. Your words are referring to us as a pack of dogs, you know that and we know that.
None of those words came from scriptures, they came from YOU.Wow! Now Beth's got me thinking I could have been wrong
but... (...like fingerprints) which word was my own?Are you serious? Are you not going to take responsibility for what you said? Go back and read your own posts and you will see what words are your own.
This is a serious addiction. It's hard to watch a case that is this hopeless. This disease has totally taken control and infested the entire being, and appears to be terminal.
That would be those of us who are NOT psychotic.
I think all the Atheists here are reading the same BS scripture that you are reading, so that's completely silly, as I quote the same scriptures that you do. Of course you believe that you are being guided by an imaginary spirit. Entertaining? Yes, but also disturbing.
You are a woman, preaching to us, when you clearly shouldn't be. It says so in SCRIPTURE. That is addressed to you, not me.
1 Timothy 2:12(ESV)
12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.Paul stated the same thing and his message comes straight from Jesus Christ himself... He got his message straight from Spirit...
1 Corinthians 14:33-35
33 for God is not a God of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.
34 The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says.
35 If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church.…And this is what Genaea had to say about Jesus earlier, so her position is now indefensible:
"Twisted versions of scripture were added to 'yoke; harness; and bind' GOD'S people. Jesus was sent to correct them."If Cgenaea is honest about believing everything in the Bible, then she MUST believe those words as well, and MUST abide by them if she claims to abide by the Bible.
What do you say to that, Cgenaea?What!!!! Church??? Uh...you going to church now???
Matthew 18: 20
"For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst."
Church doesn't need to be a building...And there is more than one "Christian" on these forums so that would make this Church...See??? Maybe you should stick to something you know...like...uh, ok.
Anyway, God is here. And this is no church.Hmm.. Personal jabs.. really...
I was quoting the bible...I guess you don't care for what it says...The truth hurt?
Church is any place more than one believer is gathered...Building (walls) not required...As per the bible...
You always take it there. No prob. I understand what the scriptures mean. You do not. You add trivia to the conversation. The important matters of the law should be a focus area. Not scripture taken out of context and twisted to look in agreement with you. You and the bible do NOT agree.
Hmmmm.. I am never offended by scripture, not even when you quote it. Hmmm...LOL Isn't it great to be able to interpret scripture to mean whatever you want it to mean and then tell everyone else they can't read? Or that God hasn't spoken to them?
Oh, to be the only "right" authority in the world!
Paul was very clear in his message (As received by him through Jesus Christ)...That women are to not speak or talk in church or on religious matters...If they have questions they are to ask their husband (the MAN) at home.
The reason for this...Women had a very bad habit of disrupting the service because they didn't understand. And since this is in the NT...I would say that it still applies as it is included under the Grace of the NT...
** and this in not what I am saying...This is what the bible says...I am just parroting the words and message of the bible...Yes, the bible is very clear and definite about the matter.
But some women, desiring to appear superior to men, will twist the words to something not meant. Thus revealing the sin inherent in women since the time of Eve. Not thing has changed; they are still the ultimate evil, trying to turn man from God by telling him they know better than he does.
And while I would probably agree with your idea on the matter, it is what it is. God's words are very plain here.Of course there are other verses and passages thata lot of women in the church use to try to get around these verses or excuse them.
The problem here is that the person claiming to be fluent in Bible and on a first name basis with the spirit isn't fluent enough to either utilize then or even name them. Funny, that.
Thanks for your obedience. Now, you have done your part. It is up to me now to examine for myself and try the spirit by the spirit. The spirit of Paul's message seems clear to you. However, I am not barred from speaking truth as a woman. And I can't "teach" the leaders of his church. Now, when we add that we are not in church; coupled with the fact that I am not attempting to persuade the men of the church... help me out here...
Could you walk us through how you would do that, so that we will know that you are not just deluded? Thanks
No way for you to be able to walk through spirit with me. You're just gonna have to pass on taking my word for it.
YOUR word includes saying "AMEN!" to someone else hate speech and calling us all a pack of dogs.
Obviously, your word means nothing to us but hate speech.You continue to insult, adding more insult to the injuries you've already caused. You obviously do not care about anyone but yourself.
Sure. Jesus never built a formal church building; he preached in the open. The world was his "church", just as it is yours. Women preaching in the "church" (world) is an abomination, evil, disgusting, arrogant and probably subject to OT punishment such as stoning. Where's the rocks?
No Sir. Again...
Jesus clearly defined his own. He is the head of the church. But it is not a building in that instance. Paul was actually speaking to a "church". The world is not the church. The kingdom...That's what I said. No building. And Jesus (God) is the head of the world - what I said.
In Paul's case, a community. No building.
So quit preaching to either the world or the community. Women are like children; meant to be seen but not heard. Or I find rocks and start slinging them through the phone line! Or sand through the fiber optic cable, as the case may be...
Caw!!! As you have no sin??? Or as you have no other recourse? Or has been biblically commanded thee???
Be careful now, those who know what to do and don't are... well let's iust say it aint pretty. And those who accept some of the word but not all is some kinda liar Ithink or uunstable or something. It's in there too
So in this instance, you choose to go with what Paul was actually doing...Which was talking to a specific Church...If this is the case... then the message doesn't apply to anyone else but the church he was talking to...Which would include the whole letter that is now called 1 Corinthians.
Or he was talking to the "Church" which is as already explained...The whole world (Christian believers) as they are the Body of Christ...So the Church is a group of people and not a building on the corner of 5th and Main st.
Which this would mean, women are not to speak on Church matters at all (inside a building or not)... Or the letter Paul wrote was intended for only the Congregation at Corinth and thus does not apply to anyone outside of that Church BuildingWe've gone through this. Paul was writing to a church (organization of certain ones) Jesus' own are the kingdom of God. Church is defined. Neither of those definitions fit this forum.
So the first letter to Corinth applies only to that Church...Got it...1 Corinthians can be removed from the bible as it does not apply for the church of today.
And as the "Church" according to Jesus and Paul is the "Body" or all believers...Yes this forum counts as part of that "Church"
You are testing the "Spirit of Paul" with your spirit?? Am I understanding you correctly?
And for matters of the "Church" (i.e. Religion) Men are the ones who should be speaking and the women are to remain quiet...At least as per what Paul writes...And since he was writing directly from what Christ instructed him... If I am understanding you correctly...You are testing your spirit against the spirit of Christ himself...
I guess you didn't read the explaination for why Paul wrote what he did...But then that would mean you would have to research the Culture of the timeframe he was writing...But you don't need that...Only the Spirit...So by following the spirit, how do you justify disagreeing with the bible and what is written...
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By what authority are you thanking me for obedience?
And who might I being obedient too?
I am doing nothing more than quoting Bible verses...Obedience would imply that I was given a task from an authority figure.Lord say tell it. Glad you are starting somewhere.
I have no explanation for my woman teaching actions. Into God's hands I place my fate...Jesus said to spread the Good Message of the Kingdom of God...
I am doing nothing of the sort...I am repeating what is written in a book...
Jesus did not require or use the "bible" to speak to or address the Kingdom of God...So why do so many of his followers insist on doing this?I remember him correcting those who used the Scriptures with the correct meaning...But using thier own Scripture against them...And it was not in reference to the Kingdom of God, but rather the religious beliefs.
English please. My skeptical spy is a little rusty.
Ok English...
Jesus did not use Scripture for spreading the Good Message.
Jesus used scripture (The tool the Scribes and Pharisees recognized as God's word) to defend himself against their accusations and correcting their interpretation so that they knew the correct meaning of what God's word and plan actually was...The first quote of scripture he spoke, "man shall not live by bread alone... thou shall not tempt the Lord..." was an assertion of truth to the tempter. He spoke the word of scripture to combat the lies he just heard.
Sorry for the double reply. But I really like the second paragraph.
Not following God's Plan and you are placing your fate into his hands...knowing what he does with those who do not follow his plans?
You are seriously going against God's will and hoping for a good outcome?Knowing that I have his mercy for using my gift is priceless. He does not find fault in me. I could not do this without him. He assists me in this very task. AWESOME...
But you are blantantly going against his will and his word...Since when does God assist with that?
So you feel that your sinning (Using YOUR gift...not God's gift) is covered by his mercy? I thought it was only by repenting of sin and not doing sin anymore that mercy covered you. You know...the whole "Go and sin no more" that Jesus spoke of...
I see that you do not care for the shoe being on the other foot.
Why don't we all just stick to debates and discussions and leave the judging and "preaching" outside...It will benefit is all so much more.The only judgment and preaching I have heard is aimed in my direction; not the other way around. I have not put your shoe on. It just does not fit.
So, if you guys are ready to quit with the judgment; a discussion (yet biblical frommy end) may bbegin. Ready???LOL.. WOW...
You seriously don't get it...
The second part of my post was said "In General" and not directed at any one person...
The first part...Was for you...And has to deal with the fact that you do not wish to discuss how you are going against the bible...And you haven't even justified it yet, using the bible....You just say that you will do what you do and hope that God judges you fairly for sinning (not exact words, but pretty much the jist of your comments)Jesus told those who follow him (women everwhere included) to tell the truth of his goodness; and RIGHTLY devide the words he spoke to ensure no one be led astray by false doctrine such as "follow yourself! Your mind is capable of understanding everything if you know how to read" that is NOT true. The bible says to lean not unto your own understanding (and it was not speaking only to the MEN that FOLLOW HIM.)
jutified???You don't have to justify anything to me.
I find it curious that you didn't attempt it though based on the bible.
Jesus said to spread the Good News of the Kingdom of God...Not the Truth of HIS goodness...And while he spoke to all people...He only tasked the men...and both Paul and the Author of Timothy clearly state that God (Jesus Christ) did not want Women speaking on religious matters...Spreading the good news of the Kingdom of God and matters concerning the Church (such as laws, rules and authority) are not the same things...
"Into God's hands I place my fate..."
"But will continue to do as I please, without regard to instructions and guidance from scripture or God."
Rationalization is a wonderful tool, isn't it? It makes possible the willing suspension of belief as necessary for pride.Spirit tries spirit. Gobbledygook cannot try spirit.
Chenaea's entire argument is now based on "spirit" and she can no longer defend her argument using the bible, considering verses have been shown to her in which she clearly is in opposition to them.
I see your hopes and wishes but truth is what we're after.
Obviously not: Truth, with a capital T, comes from God. God gave truth that women should keep their mouths shut about religious matters, but it isn't a very palatable truth, even though from God, and so will be disregarded.
And, you have shown us your truth is supporting hate speech and calling us dogs.
Willing suspension of belief (that biblical scripture is the word of God) in order to keep thinking she is good enough to teach men. Pride goeth before a fall; Hell awaits such people.
Without scripture, the next best thing is a new, made up definition and use of an old, commonly used word that nobody really understands anyway. "Spirit" in this case - "Spirit" will be the new argument as scripture has failed and must be (temporarily) ignored.All the word is good. Pride was/is the catalyst for this portion of the discussion. No man wants correction from w girl. I know. But I am not correcting you. Scripture is ALL good.
"Spirit tries spirit. Gobbledygook cannot try spirit. "
"You don't remember Jesus quoting from scripture?"
"But I am not correcting you."
Of course not.
Let's see:
GOBBLEDYGOOK =X
SPIRIT =y
You say X is < y
But since spirit makes no sense, it fits the term gobbledygook...therefore:
X =y
OMG! She may have committed Blasphemy! God made a place for those who do this.
But I am a male. Why are you trying to tell ME what is right? According to the Bible, I am only to accept authority from other males. In other words, I'm right....you're wrong, and God backs me up. So you should go ask your husband, and stop this willful sin against God.
So instead, YOU will take it out of context and twist it so that it looks in agreement with you? Maybe that's why God doesn't want women teaching.
Rubbish. I am a man. You are not. You have no authority, and no right to assert anything biblical.
It's the effects of the addiction. Rigid denial.Have you forgotten that your letter is addressed to the church? Is you a deacon or something? Are we about to pass the plate??? Are you a follower of other church doctrine that Paul preached? Do you have any authority over me as a man of God? Do you even want to know God?
After you go live in a THEOCRACY....which it seems you want to....you will be thankful for the freedom to rebel against ancient laws and abject nonsense.
People are people. Not everyone shares this primitive, distorted, paranoid view of life....and they owe you no apologies for living their lives. And as far as showing any respect for your ridiculous imaginary God, I urge believers to grow up and accept the fact that it is embarrassing for adults to continue to believe in childish fairy tales. SMHYears ago, when I was regarded by others in the room that I was "Born Again...." I used to do this silly stuff called "prayer." I am embarrassed about it now. How silly, stupid, blind, nonsensical this practice is!
It is not talking to a real god, only talking to others in the room, a sort of sly sermon, getting at your mates and telling them (disguised as we) and telling them what we (they) should be doing in our lives. You can not be interrupted because you are speaking to God.
Can you really imagine a "god" worth worshiping, listening with his compassionate ear, to such childish drivel rom millions of people mumbling into their hands? (Presumably he has to listen to it in numerous other languages too!) I can't, that is why I left it all behind me years ago. Maybe when Susanne gets a bit older she too will find brighter vistas in life. Her choice, of course.
Are you sure? Look at the sermon pretending to be prayer posted in response to your post and think about just how many such people there are in the country. People that will stamp out the "briars and thorns, the scorpions, spiders and snakes that are discharging poisonous venom and lethal toxicities into their minds and into their children to contaminate, taint and infect them". People that admit their "guilt of allowing such poisonous creatures to invade their land and their people".
And then think about what those people would like to do about those spiders, snakes, etc. Iran does indeed come to mind.
A free nation, whether from foreign invaders or from crap like that prayer, requires constant vigilance and effort. It has a cost, and we either pay the price or become enslaved - by the "god fearing" in this case that will trample every bit of freedom they can find.Actually Canada is more secular than the U.S. It seems the first thing that is asked and scrutinized about a U.S. candidate is his or her beliefs.
In addition, it is a practice called shunning. It's roots are Biblical and it is still used in a number of religions today to correct those who have wandered from the path. Don't make me quote the applicable verses. I hate quote wars.
I think it's a bit more humane than stoning. Interestingly, it is also one of the only punishments that is specific to Christians. I.E. it is to be used on "brothers" and presumably sisters. The bible really doesn't address female Christians specifically.
In addition, we are all adults here... marginally at least.
Then the question of is it possible to bully a bully comes up as well and the morality of that.It is possible to bully a bully. But it is a cycle
Yes, if the original bully doesn't learn anything. It's always an attempt to "force empathy" by treating them the same as they treat other people. However those with little to no empathy at all seem to miss the connection somehow. It's like the switch that most people have in their brains, the one that says "This feels really shitty, maybe I shouldn't do it to others" fails to switch on.
Which then pulls up the next question... if lessons from example don't work for bullies, what does one do? I personally, would really hate to leave a forum I considered my "home" for a couple years because of a constant stream of narcissistic hate and egotism vomited up as fast as fingers can type. Yet I also shouldn't be forced to endure unpleasantness that is delivered for no other reason than the self-gratification of a disturbed troll.
I hate being used as an emotional blow-up doll for someone who feels it is their right to force their unfulfilled- and likely unfulfillable- needs on others.
So Deeps, is the only recourse that the victims of the original bully just leave so as to avoid the abuse? Or do you have another course of action to suggest?I have a solution that has worked for me - a polite recognition of the abuse, followed by a polite "Goodbye". And nothing else. No more replies to that individual. Might read their response (once) and giggle but no more than that.
The name goes on a mental list of who not to reply to and stays there indefinitely. That someone has made a post does NOT mean I need to reply to it.I've actually tried that, it has been weeks since I responded directly. I still continued that, but I guess I failed in spirit if not in letter. In my defense, that was after weeks of completely ignoring the person did not work. It seemed to, in fact, make it worse. It's like this particular poster isn't happy with just being abusive, they must have you acknowledge the abuse to be happy.
MelissaBarrett - a total failure! Never thought I'd see THAT!
I confess I've never had one continue past a few days, but it wouldn't matter. There is simply no reason to reply - as if their post was just blank. And I won't. (Recognize that a reply is not always directed to the OP; it is sometimes directed towards anyone that happens by regardless of where HP points it.)
Most of those on the "Do not call" list will remain there for several months regardless of what they do, and only 3 or 4 have ever come off for even a second chance. I am simply not interested in talking - not hating the idea, not liking it, just no interest either way.Bah, even the best fall down sometimes.
I suppose you're likely right-you usually are.
I just wish that HP had an ignore option for specific users. Other forums have that and it stops the stalking/harassment.
Er...I have an idea. Do as your heart feels is right. Remember too that your "shitty switch" was broke for a long time. Remember too your own "bully days" or; stand ccorrected by whatever the bible says. Unless of course you feel that some of it is a straight-out lie.... cuz then, you ??? ALL of it..
Good morning! I FINALLY got to sleep in and feel amazing.
Thanks for your attempt. but you know well that the two ladies in question have been trying their best to feel as if they have won the argument; possibly from the beginning.
The one with her education and the other with her "snark" are finally on a train that gives some satisfaction out of conversation with me. We have recognized the source, put on our big girl panties, and laugh together. though I think I prefer "shunning" (pride goes before destruction & lukewarm gets you spewed; I want to be well out of the way)
Thanks again.
I believe this is aligned with the forum topic, looking for treatment for God addiction. At this time, we are trying to understand the reason for a particular God addiction based on what the subject has posted.
Really? Is it because you KNOW that you outshine me intellectually.
quick question? how many pages are there in the bible? off hand im willing to bet none know.or even cared to look.
every of course. each and every one. a question isn't a answer.
The original Gutenberg Bible has 1272 pages.
if you gota look up those numbers then you did not know the answer
- Motown2Chitownposted 11 years ago0
Is it really so difficult for us as grown men and women to address each other individually in these threads. This is not a "pack of dogs," no one has a team, and I'm guessing that each response is formulated and typed by only ONE person. Why the constant resorting to mob/gang tactics. Adults need to be adult, or any conversation in which they engage is futile and meaningless.
You stumped on parabolic metaphor too... Sorry. I did not mean to imply that anyone here was a dog. I don't understand how that is being internalized by more than one. Please forgive...adults we are. No one will stoop to name-calling well I guess you all are gonna need a meeting... no teams? You kiddn??? God vs no gods oh and the in-between category.
Neither parables nor metaphors stump me, but thanks for your concern. Using them to instruct is often a sign of creativity. Using them to insult others is just a sign of passive aggressive tendencies. Don't hide your disdain for others behind "parabolic metaphors." You only THINK people are too stupid to recognize it.
- I am lol and rotf...
So, you KNOW that my intent was to offend. Lol
And still, you are "hollering"
Fyi... I repeated a metaphor verbatim that I heard that so fits our situation; and the dog part resonates??? Not the fact that the (let's say beautiful angel of a person with long flowing hair and a harp) being is "extremely offended" by the description in the prayer. As if...
Again, I was not offended. Why were you? THEN why be offended at the metaphor? Even Jesus as loving and kind, semi-referred to someone as a dog actually. She did not puff up in anger. She understood the metaphor. Sorry for not using beautiful angel with long flowing hair and a harp the first time. Youmissed the point. The prayer ruffle your hair??? If so, why?Nah. Of the two of us, I don't think I'm the one with ruffled hair at the moment.
The prayer wasn't even an issue for me. My issue was more your respond to those who did find it offensive.
I don't claim to know your intent. I'm telling you how it looks.How it looks to you? Thanks! I really forgot to ask this...ok no I didn't.
You have a problem with many of my responses. There a problem personally? I will let the hair comment slip...
Perhaps.
Although the problem isn't you personally, rather it's the very confrontational, combative, and often very harsh communication style that I perceive from you. I don't generally respond well to it. It saddens me that the best response is probably none at all because I really enjoy conversation and enjoy people, but the vibe that I feel you putting out isn't conducive to that.
On me, I imagine. No worries. I'm a big girl. No harm done and no hard feelings on my part, but a healthy person should know when parting ways from someone might be wiser than continuing to engage them. Now is probably that time for you and me.Thanks. I am honored that you gave me your time. I was not that fond of your communication style but to complain seemed pointless; right???
Have you met with your team today? Your gameplay seems a bit chaotic. Might wanna regroup before you get back into your imagined competition.
So when Beth and Chris and genaea disagree on something, which is right? I've seen the three of them say opposite things on more than one occasion.
Excellent opportunity! What is it that we flat-out disagree on? Oh! And is the matter of importance to the kingdom?
Cgenaea
Wow!!! We MAY heal ourselves. Magnificent...
Each one of us is the best Doctor in the world and have the best opinion of our selves too. That is the very point, of this of this thread.
No where in the Bible it says that Jesus said he is God. He did say :I am: like we are all God.
Jesus said also he is the Son of God. That also can mean we are all children of God under the Sun.
Christianity has been split into over 30,000 different denominations, sects and cults setting Christian against Christian and Christians against everyone else!!
Is it a design to be working together to divide, conquer and destroy Christianity from the inside or a way of hell on earth for the rest of us. Divide and rule, a sound motto.
I would prefer to Unite and by leading oneself first , a better one. that can be achieve rather than being a Jesus clone.Each one of us is the best Doctor in the world and have the best opinion of our selves too. That is the very point, of this of this thread.
No, Sir. Jesus is the BEST doctor in the world. Now pride (your second sentence) is very dangerous. I thought the point of this thread is treatment of God addicts. We have our own physician. He treats us perfectly and we are compelled to refer. Our addiction needs no treatment. We are well. But you have no idea. I reference your "leading yourself" comment to come to my conclusion. You have no idea of the way. You are not promised the next 7 minutes. You have no idea who holds your future in the small of his hand. You may only lead in a different direction.cgenaea, it seems you are eternally stuck in one mind-set. Nothing and no one will ever change your mind on what you see/believe is the way for you. Such a blinkered, stubborn, self-convinced view of the world is held by many individuals, so you are not alone.
Only when you can open your mind to other points of view and explore the wonderful potential of this world for yourself, will you live your life fruitfully.
You can blame the trauma you have experienced if you wish, you can blame anything else in the world outside of your own self, yet nothing will solve your negativity unless you can look inwardly at your own motivation and see what baggage you carry.
You can call upon the spiritual influence of your Jesus, or Santa Claus, or Harry Potter and Voldemort if you wish, they have just about the same real influence upon your life.
This Thread has gone on for so, so long, going round and round in circles, getting no where fresh and enlightening for you or anyone else here.
Unless I can see any change within 24 hours from now I will un-follow. It's getting (got) just too plain boring.Wow jonny; that was beautiful.
Only when you open up to the fact that you are nothing significant and that you could be gone in seconds will you be able to live a fruitful life. Love, joy, peace, longsuffering, goodness and faith are a few of the fruits to which I refer. I will pray that something exciting happens soon. I just DON'T want to lose you. Unless you REALLY want to go. I cannot thank you enough for the precious time you have afforded me thus far and will forever be indebted to your grace. (Ok, sorry for all the sarcasm; seemed like you were asking ) oh! And the tumblers are on their way. They should be able to get the party started.
Just so you know, the negativity I have was hand delivered (wanna guess who) your voice is more than enough to float that boat. And no, my trauma was not cause of anything negative so I may only thank the Holy father for bringing me through it so beautifully; with my mind still intact.
I'd like you to go now, if it's not asking too much. I cannot stand your accent!!! Lol
The one "track" that you've laid in to this conversation runs parallel to mine. Your inner baggage is crystal clear we ALL may look inside to see it. Transparency is kinda like that sometimes.
LATER!!!It's amazing how the Christian can cherry pick anything they want to fit their own Political agenda. Even if it's not in line of live and let live lifestyles.
Even if I said Jesus said :The kingdom of heaven is within: Their will be Christian to disagree. If I said the word Hell: is mentioned in the Bible 54 times, there will be Christian to tell me still, that Hell dose not exist in the Bible. What is the purpose of their fight club when every word in the bible is Universal truth and knowledge? I know of other good books with better sense of natural law, without the endless conflicts.
Beam me up Scotty, put my 3 to 1 odds bet on Aliens vs Yahweh existence.Cherry picking is done by Atheist and Christian alike. But the difference is merely that not all the law is expedient for every situation. Jesus said that i think. You must be able to properly devide scripture so that you know what fits where.
Not really, atheists provide verses to Christians when Christians cherry pick the Bible in regards to believing and following one thing and rejecting another. Atheists aren't the ones who claim to believe in the Bible, let alone claiming to believe in the "entire" Bible.
But you must be familiar with the spirit of it to know what messages are sent.
Invoking spirit into your arguments means you are just desperate and pulling things out of thin air. You know you can't defend yourself with the Bible anymore.
I am not concerned with defense of myself. The bible "defends" itself. Spirit is the answer to many spiritual questions.
A completely meaningless statement. Magical thinking is the answer to many magical questions.
You've got the magic-est thinking
it's like you cannot hear; but I cannot hear you. Hmmmm, what shall we do???I hear just fine, thank you very much, and I've heard plenty of hateful things being said to others here in the name and in the defense of their God.
Still using terms that have been totally debunked I see. You can't use terms for which you have provided not evidence. You have been asked to provide evidence for a "Spirit" and you have not done that. Yet you continue to use that term to answer questions coming from serious adults. This is stupefying! You must take responsibility, and provide us with evidence of any term you wish to present...if you want to regain any credibility. You can't take the childish way out, and say the answer is magic. We are not little children.
Johnny: Mom, how does Santa get down that little chimney?
Mom: Why Johnny, he uses magic!
Johnny: Oh...OK.
There appears to be a serious disconnect from reality.Cgenaea
Spirit is simply the unknowns, until it's experienced, when experienced it's become part of our ego self.
How do you know you are going to the spirit world, unless you have experienced it first. First hand experience is the best, hundreds or thousands of hand me downs from the Bible is hardly a spiritual experience.Though "hand me downs" are important; they are not my only evidence of spirit. I have had much experience over the years. Confirmations too. I am speaking of spirit based upon my MANY encounters. But I'm glad to see that you realize that experience is a necessary element. He does prove himself to those who trust him.
And the reason there is a requirement for Apologetics?
No thanks, we prefer to think that we are significant, which is tantamount to living a fruitful life, as opposed to believing we are worthless, evil sinners and living that belief, like you do.
So "fruitful" meaning "spends his days on an internet forum"? How is that different than the rest of us?
encephaloidead
I think your significant, to go further than that, I think your God, like everyone else.
Welcome to hubpagesSure am, I especially adored your resounding "AMEN!" to the hatred written on another thread and the riveting expose where you referred to us as a pack of dogs. A searing read.
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me too, have a very nice day
perhaps there are illusions in life. It all comes to belief and every belief can be invalid, as well as what we see. Fortunately God can use woman as myself to teach people to stop being warmongers. Perhaps you see that man, men are most leaders, and through life we have killed in the name of God, they choose the path of violence, and war. Who has control over blowing up the planet. It's not a woman. A woman gives birth and life. She can not kill what she gives life too. Unless she is a psycho mom. Perhaps God can trump any man. What if God sees that a man can do a lot of damage, and create a woman to pick up the pieces and maybe perhaps through time help put the world together. God made woman and men to balance the earth as well as light and darkness. Perhaps we just rather pull the illusions, the curtain, and keep people unaware. Awareness opens the eyes of many. We can not stay ignorant forever. Woman are the peacemakers, lovers, nurturers.
Ignorance seems to be the reason why we can not move beyond logic, thought, having to debate, and argue about just anything. Perhaps it is letting go of the idea of who God is, and find from our own experience. We've heard what people say around the globe about religions and atheist. People will seek the truth, they will find out for themselves. God will touch people his own way one or another. Perhaps we all act certain parts, perhaps it's just a game of a belief system. Our souls evolve, and grow, and seek to know the truth. Even atheists seek truth to some degree, or they wouldn't be focused on it.Nothing like a good old one sided dissertation to promote sexism once more, is there?
I would say that the most on here have no issues with women teaching or anything else for that matter...The point being made, is that if you are going to use the bible as a weapon...then it can be used against the wielder as well...
Which is the reason most "athiests" do not accept the bible as a debating tool.When you use the word of the bible against the wielder you must be correct to make a difference. Esther comes to mind for obvious reasons. I am not abased by your rendition of Paul's letter. It was what it was. But I KNOW that God uses women to show his way. Period.
Translation: "I don't care what verses of the Bible contradict what I preach, I will preach it notwithstanding. Period."
Those are your words not mine. So if you want to argue with yourself then go ahead; but don't drag me into it.
God made a special place for those who disobey his perfect laws, by using deception.
OMG!!!!
Jeremiah 28:16
16 Therefore thus says the Lord: ‘Behold, I will cast you from the face of the earth, because you have taught rebellion against the Lord.’”
I'll be praying for you Genaea!I don't know whether I should allow you to pray for me, because you don't really believe in the Bible. That's a requirement for the people that I allow to pray for me. So please don't, as your prayer will not be heard by God, since you want to have things your own way, instead of God's perfect ways.
Get thee behind me....
An interesting point...You know that the Book of Esther is the only book in the bible that doesn't mention God even once...
Yes this is very true...And the same for the wielder...Myself, I just place the verse out there and the person can take it as they please...Seems like it might have been taken as it was meant and left a sore spot for some. This is true. There are plenty of women that were used for God's purpose...The "Virgin" Mary comes to mind...But then she didn't preach either...She left that up to her SON to do...
Speaking of Mary...You know that there are studies that imply that Mary was the very first disciple of Jesus Christ... That might be something you would be interested in looking into.. It is an interesting read.It is really unimportant who the first disciple was. I know that women are used by God. It is really funny that the argument is now not only genaea but women. What about the father??? If we may focus on trivial for a min maybe we may forget altogether the God stuff? Not a chance...
You are not even interested in learning more about the Mother of Jesus...Seriously...
I just thought it might be something you would be interested in reading up on...
You don't want to take FREE bible classes on the OT and NT....And you don't want to even read about the theory of Mary being the first disciple...It holds alot of intersting points concerning Christian Beliefs.
What would you be interested in learning more about...I am curious...The fact that you promote it so speaks volumes. I probably will read up on it eventually but currently it is just not of interest. I have a few things I'd like to learn about. But I'm all wrapped up speaking on what I already know.
And the fact that you just said what you said speaks volumes...
Well, like many of us agree...the written word may be twisted into any shape desired.
Wise words, but you simply made that up. None of it is based on scripture.
Even atheists, are you sure about that? That's kind of like saying "Even Christians can be good people to some degree".
Funny.Well , I have learned that there are more good atheists in the world some times more than Christians. Christian's can be good, but what they don't learn is to stop harming others, judging, and playing God. Fortunately Christian's do more harm than good some times to people. I hate saying that, but I've experienced myself as one, and I can tell you it was a wake up call. I would say even Atheists played there part on here, teaching me be attacking me, that whether you're atheist or christian, we can both do harm. There is a lesson here, that beliefs are really that separate us, and it made me once question why would God favor me over an atheist. I am no different than an atheist, or any other religion, or belief. I don't believe God favors one child over another just because they state they are a religion or atheist. Whose in control here anyway. You and me, or God. Perhaps God created the atheist to help you understand you are not in control. He is!
In the Bible a woman is wroth a little over Half of what a Man is wroth.
I'll follow a good woman anyway, often she can organize me better and feel stronger when we work together.
Christianity in general, is not a religion at all. To call it an "organized religion" is to use the wrong language. It's more like an organized superstition.
Which God are you talking about here? Certainly you are not referring to the God of the Bible.
Nowhere does Jesus say "I am God, worship me. Many Christians get offended when I ID the Christian God as Yahweh, (most written in the Bible replace by the Lord)
I know of only one God over all people. Usually it's man that seems to think there is more than one God. lol
Well are you referring to the God of the Bible or not? I never asked you about whether there was more than one God. Simple fair question....don't you think? Are you evading answering a simple question? If so, why?
Yes I am referring to the same God. If you know anything about Jesus he didn't favor anyone, he treated all with respect, and even chose to do know harm. Didn't peter slice off and ear, and Jesus said do no harm? Those who live by the sword die by the sword! We reap what we sow! What you put out there you get back. Fortunately all Christians don't live through action. They feel they have the authority to judge others. They feel they have the right to criticize. They feel they have the right to kill in the name of God. Perhaps you would like to read the book called the cloud of unknowing. It is quite interesting. I have read so many Christian books from the Family Christian bookstore, I've studied other relgions as well. The funny thing is, I've found Christian's writing so many deceptions and don't have their facts straight. I've read the bible the most lots of versions. I also know it doesn't say what the orignal transcripts say in Hebrew, and other languages. I also know everyone interprets it completely different. As well as hears ministers or priests throw in their belief systems that do cause harm. I have witnessed. I've been to different churches and faiths. I know you can believe what ever someone tells you. It's not a matter of so much what the bible says, as much as what people say. How they use it to harm others in the name of God. The thing is the more you memorize scripture, the more it is your belief system, and becomes your thoughts, and actions. So basically you do become God, by playing the part. You will judge yourself, and other people. How do I know? I used to do it. I let go of the bible for a time. Guess what I knew who Jesus was, and God was, but I am not Jesus or God. I'm not supposed to be a living bible am I? Just making a point here. What you put in your mind becomes your belief system whether it is the bible or not. I've also ran up against an evangelist asking me to repent for being a woman minister. Fortunately I have evolved much faster, and if I am annointed by God, who he is to tell God I'm not. There are many ministers all over the globe. Why I study other religions, is because I understand to be a minister you better know what you're talking about, rather than just picking up a bible and reciting it out loud. The bible says don't add any words to it? Hmm...well every preacher, minister, adds words too it, when they preach! Unless they just read straight from the bible. It's not the bible or God that leads people down the wrong path. It's the man holding the bible in his hands and adding his point of view and interpretation. Depending on who that person is, and what stand point there coming from.
A simple yes or no would have been more than sufficient.
In my opinion, you have no more claim of being right than anyone reading the Bible, and you simply make stuff up, just as anyone else. Simply, you believe what you want to believe, and have no evidence, whatsoever, to prove whether what you are preaching is real or pure delusion.
And to pretend that you know God, because you read an ancient book, that has been edited, and mistranslated over thousands of years, suggests nothing but indoctrination. Also to state that you know that there is only one God....well....are you privy to some special information that we don't know about? How do you KNOW that there is only one God? Oh....the Bible(an ancient nonsensical book) says so.
No wonder the conflict continues.....Actually...The bible says there are more than one God...
In the first few chapters of Genesis...God refers to itself in the plural multiple times...
Throughout the OT there are references to other Gods..."Worship no other God but me for I am a Jealous God"
Things of that Nature...So even the bible shows that there are more than one God...But it does claim that it is the only "True" GodMy father was a minister. I went to Sunday School, and actually paid attention...from tike til 18. I know it says in Genesis "let us make man..."
Good try though.
Unlike some Christians on here, I have actually read and comprehended the bible.Ha! I KNEW it... PKs take a hit. Many rebel because of whatever reason. But ...they never depart from it huh?
This is the type of thing i find most fascinating. The arrogance involved is no different from the view you oppose. You comprehend what you've read. They comprehend what they've read. Any opposing view is born of delusion and ignorance.
All you've done is reject one interpretation in order to accept another interpretation in order to preach your view. How are you different from cgenea? You are simply attempting to correct her interpretation to mimic yours?Wait a second, it can mean-
I am no better or worst than the next guy.
You can love everyone anyways, without a group center or an over ego. What's wrong with a balance life?
No correction. Assertion that he understood the poster who brought up the fact that God had a plural thing going on in the beginning. I'm a bit clearer on him (GIR) now.
It does say "Let us make man in our image."
The thing about "do not worship other gods" isn't necessarily an 'admission' that there really are other gods equal to YHWH.No one is saying that any God is Greater or Lesser that YHWH...Only that there is more than one.
When you see " ....but me," I see it as meaning the I AM, the god, the Soul, the very centre of my Being. This centre is infinite, it cannot be held in the hand, it is the focus of my Consciousness.
I believe that those people of ages past, who took the time and space in which to contemplate the nature of their existence, were much more in tune with reality than ourselves, who only gloss over and argue about surface appearance.
My understanding, even, is far from complete or necessarily accurate. I continue to open my mind (EYES) to infinite possibilities and new knowledge. No one book, scribed by man and subjected to numerous interpretations, could satisfy my yearning for enlightenment. However the arguments in this hub certainly open my eyes somewhat to human shortcomings!Wow...I thought you were one of those people with no mind but only a brain. Thanks for the confirmation that there is "something" else...
The mind (EYES) is nearly infinite in possibility. We may dream up anything. But too much mind is mentally challenging. If it goes too far off of what is true it becomes untamed and disconnected from the reality of God.
Guidelines of truth are set; the parameters detailed. Believe or don't. Align your thought to truth and become as God.
Disclaimer:
I am not God. I am not Jesus. I am not the holy spirit; I just believe what they say. And they each say the SAME things. We are one...Where exactly did Jesus say he is one with God and the holy spirit?
If you have seen me; you have seen the father.
Do you not believe that I am in the father and the father in me?
I will send you a comforter...will bring all things to rememberance...
ALL quotes...or close. Please correct me if I am wrongUh...
I gotta Google. So you do it for me. Lemme know...Let me get this straight. You say something that the bible says, but can't tell me where specifically in the bible?
Joh_14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Joh_14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
Joh_14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Just trying to help out. Been following this thread though I haven't participated.As always... a breath of fresh air. You confirmed what I said as I thought aloud while reading. "It's like he watches from the sidelines and every now and then..." as I scrolled... nice!!! Thanks for the help. But I am proof that even a "dummy" can get this stuff.
Thanks SirDent.
John 14
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Please not it doesn't say his house it says his fathers house.
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Still only says if you know one you know the other. Kinda like best friends or father and son.
20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
So Jesus is in you just as Jesus is in God? I guess much like a part of my mother who has passed is in me when I think of her.
Interesting stuff.Did you read your 7? The "fingers" are faster than the mind??? Change that to your 20. Fits better.
Come on it's like you saying "if you know me you know Jesus".
Not really. I agree that they are correct. Jesus (the spirit sent) abides to remind me. My choice to agree or not. My heart agrees. I may never mirror Jesus. But in God's eyes; we may, through faith.
Are you off your meds because you aren't making any sense?
No meds. It's like this... when you know what he says along with the spirit in which he said it you understand. I cannot make you understand how the three are separate but wholly agree as one if you refuse to read what you see correctly. He said, I am IN the father. That is different from I am the father. We agree there? He said if you see me (how I act) you have seen the father (cuz I represent who/what he is) get it? It's not hard.
Put together... random... words... salad... incoherent...
She said:
An ungodly pocket plays pinochle with a snow. Now and then, the eagerly polite snow writes a love letter to a starlet. Another swamp cooks cheese grits for the lovely ballerina.
How hard is that to understand?I had no idea she said that. Silly me.
Maybe she should go back to calling us a pack of dogs, that was so much easier to understand.
Are you in Christ and Christ in you?
If we see you, should we not see Christ as well?What makes me different is sin. Jesus nor the father have it. I may try my best to display Godly character but I am human. So, if you see me; you see (something like) Jesus.
A prayer from Jesus to the Father
John 17:22-26
22 “The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as We are one;
23 I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, so that the world may know that You sent Me, and loved them, even as You have loved Me.
24 “Father, I desire that they also, whom You have given Me, be with Me where I am, so that they may see My glory which You have given Me, for You loved Me before the foundation of the world. 25 “O righteous Father, although the world has not known You, yet I have known You; and these have known that You sent Me;
26 and I have made Your name known to them, and will make it known, so that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them.”What part of that did you not understand? We are one through the spirit of Godliness. Father; son; holy spirit; and those with faith in Christ as the savior all agree. God is everything good. His law is right. We need him in order to become better.
Hmm...If you don't understand the correlation between the question I asked and the Scripture quote I posted...Well...Never mind...I am sure the "spirit" will enlighten you...
A lone wolf will die without the pack.
Man can survive or even thrive without the stack of bibles or the moldy pack of wrong translations in the bible, if he really really tries.You can chase that pipe dream if you feel the need, but keep in mind that it should make you a better person, if not something is wrong.
Better??? Who/what shall we measure that against? What do you consider better? Who knows what better looks like? If I make a move, how may I judge if it was better or not?
I guess genocide is generally considered horrific, unless it's done in the name of God. Are you justifying genocide? Is that the kind of person you are?
I consider genocide totally immoral....anything else would suggest a socio/psychopathic personality.
I don't get it Rad. And you know what kind of person I am; I tell you every day.
What do you mean you don't get it? It's very simple, do you justify the genocide depicted in the bible or do you do as any decent person would do and say that genocide should not be tolerated by anyone?
Gotta love that God-sanctioned genocide. Killing all those babies must have been a lot of fun for Moses and Joshua.
I say God has a plan. I cannot judge his actions. He allowed the deaths of many; that, we know. I stand behind his judgment. Whatever it is.
Genocide was his choice then and now. From what I understand, a whole world of people are in jeopardy. I do not rejoice over it. But I do understand that I personally would rather not risk eternity. I want to live with him forever. He promises that I and my family (his family) will never suffer again.Remember when I said your religion should make you a better person? If you are justifying genocide just to protect yourself you are no better than the Germans that ran the nazi death camps. Would you turn on the gas to protect yourself?
The fact that it is written that your God ordered and committed genocides should be a clue to any thinking person that that God is fictitious.God is not subject to your imaginations. I do not condone genocide. But better is in the eye of the beholder. God is mine.
If he is fictitious for you. You may be fictitious be fictitious for him.That brand of logic doesn't even make sense.
Look at me! I made a post that you are now reading! Considering that an account can only be made by an actual user, then that means I am undeniably a work of nonfiction. I don't see God making many forum posts, on the other hand...Jesus said, "if you deny me before men, I will deny you before my father. Makes PLENTY sense.
Now check this out. So if God made an account and posted; you would then believe??? THAT... makes sense to you???
By the laws of logic....that would make you completely immoral.
Then, you admit that you have no way of knowing what is moral.
Then you are the victim of extortion.
Why.....because you can't bear what He's gonna do to you if you don't? You simply are afraid that He is gonna torture you, just like He callously did others.
But you haven't bothered to see that it is Himself that He is promising to protect you from? Kinda like the Overseer.This is one of the main reasons religions are so dangerous in the hands of believers who stand behind murder and genocide when it's committed in the name of a god. The don't even care what the reasons are or who the people being murdered are, they just blindly follow along, hacking through bodies like machetes through weeds.
It's easy to see from Cgenaea's posts just how quickly and justifiably the Inquisitions and Crusades would have taken place, with people like Cgenaea only too willing to join in the fun.I agree. In some respects cgenaea's responses and statements can be laughed at. It's possible to warm to her needs, in the aftermath of trauma.
On the other hand, this blind, often illogical devotion to a belief system, putting those beliefs at odds with rational and down-to-earth opinions of others, is the festering embryo of totalitarian politics.
Those who would want power are quite capable of manipulating such beliefs for their own ends.
You might think my views extreme, also. But the Inquisition was inherently political, abusing the powerbase of a superstitious population.One wants to laugh and then one realizes how deeply disturbing and dangerous her thought process is.
Some say that desire is the root cause of all pain and sorrow. According to this philosophy, salvation consists in eliminating all desire, including any desire for
eternal bliss or communion with God. But when someone is thirsty, do we tell him to kill his thirst instead of giving him water to drink? To drive out thirst without quenching it with life-sustaining water is to drive out life itself. The result is death, not salvation. Thirst is an expression of our need for water and a sign of hope that somewhere there is water that can satisfy our thirst. Similarly, the deep longing in our soul is a clear sign of hope that spiritual peace exists. Something can satisfy our thirsty souls. When the soul finds God, the author of that spiritual thirst, it receives far greater satisfaction than any thirsty man who receives water. When the soul’s desire is satisfied, we have found heaven.
You are perpetually insisting that your way, your understanding, is "better" than ours, Cgenaea. You know god "better" than we do. You understand Jesus "better" than we do.
So, we will have to live with our imperfections, but you are assured of a "better" life in the Somewhere, Cloud Coo-koo Land.
I know you love the argumentative to and fro of this discussion, but it seems to be getting you no where nearer good sense and everyday life. IMHOIn all actuality, you insist that your understanding is better than mine.
see how that works??? You think you know better because you rely on your intelligence to sort all the evidence. You do not consider the fact that no matter how much evidence you have, you can never have it all. So blindspots you have. And you are ok with that. My faith is elsewheres
Heaven gist, is what you make of it here on earth, first. Not what you make of a spirit world you, nor I or anyone knows until they get there.
I think a conversation of Elohim and it's etymology would prove interesting here. Likely as useful as tits on a boar hog, but interesting none the less.
You may be correct... Very interesting...
The First writers of the OT...(Around 600-500BCE) Actually believed in multiple Gods...A Male and Female...
I would have to say the most disturbing thing I've heard in the spiritual world is this: That the cross placed against your body, splits the balance of light and darkness. Keeping you in the devil and god duality. cuts off right under the heart and stops you from feeling with the heart and truthfully feeling the love of God. Three dimensional reality. Keeping people unware. Keeping people in fear. Keeping people in control. I can see there point of view because the thing is most bible's are tainted and the words keep changing and who is doing that, but man himself. Who decided what pages and books to pull out. Even the vatican has hidden things. Organized religion can dictate what people believe by what rules, regulations, traditions they focus on. Like here in the Netherlands I discovered catholic trappist monks read philosophy, eastern philosophy, science, psychology,sociology, and back home the catholic priests say don't read anything but catholic literature. Fortunately America is a young teenager as one priest even said. They sent missionairies here when they started the churches. It's amazing what you can find in old literature, keep digging and digging through out time. What people knew in the 14th century versus now. The contmplative meditation, most american priests never know. Churches have broken off and formed new groups, with 40.000 sects or more. Fortunately America has a lot to learn about everything. It's a whole different reality once you step in Europe. Everyone here knows America is screwed up religiously. I hate saying that, but as a Christian I know this to be truth. It's nice to see the difference, and how much America has to learn in social problems, religous problems, and politics. They can learn alot from Europeans. They've been around through alot of wars, and tragedy socially. While I am an American, I see how we fail to see the truth on alot of issues.
I agree, with you castle, there are plenty of holy texts out there, and literature, just I have found out by seeking the truth instead of just listening to American Christian's there is alot more truth out there than what meets the eye. I think this is what is so wonderful is by seeking the truth you really find out more than you ever bargained for, and then you return to the bible to see it just matches what others say, but we seem to think we have the right to bash anyone because of different relgion or text, or literature, when it all ends with love is the religion and message in all, not hatred, war, and we are right, and this is our God.
We already know the difference between wrong and right, we must be God too.
Ah! Well I don't quite fit the description of God. I always remember there is someone higher than me. I believe those that play God, or usually the one's that Get cut down by God at some point of another.
It was not Jesus who said that about expedient. And the scripture was not speaking of scripture verses; it discussed that just because things may "legally" be
done, it may not be helpful for all involved such as not causing another's conscience to be disturbed concerning eating sacred meat. Now if that scripture does not satisfy our discussion at hand; the words of the bible should be placed in their proper light.It has never been my assertion that God came down from heaven. Three entities. Same mind; same heart.
Genesis 11
King James Version (KJV)
5 And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
18 And the Lord appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,
3 And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:
4 Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree:
5 And I will fetch a morsel of bread, and comfort ye your hearts; after that ye shall pass on: for therefore are ye come to your servant. And they said, So do, as thou hast said.
6 And Abraham hastened into the tent unto Sarah, and said, Make ready quickly three measures of fine meal, knead it, and make cakes upon the hearth.
7 And Abraham ran unto the herd, and fetcht a calf tender and good, and gave it unto a young man; and he hasted to dress it.
8 And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat.
9 And they said unto him, Where is Sarah thy wife? And he said, Behold, in the tent.
That story always kills me. Not only did the great God appear but he ate and was still confused as to where Sara was. I guess he knows everything except where Sara is.See? You are TRYING to confuse things.
I see you... we were discussing Jesus being as God. To him saying that he was God. To times when God actually walked among certain ones??? No wonder. God came down as himself a few times; not as Jesus. Jesus had a purpose and was SENT.I showed you where in the bible it says he did come down to earth, eat and drink, but in all his wisdom he didn't know that Sara was inside the tent.
God has never come down to earth… well he has a few times. Where is the spirit when you need it to help you with understanding the bible.God is not the author of confusion. I clearly stated that he did not come down Jesus. The spirit will ere be a mystery to one who chooses his own way.
Let's see if we can get a translation you understand...Melissa you have the floorDo you see how you read INTO even my words. It WAS NOT my assertion; but I agree with truth. Jesus came down with the spirit (mind, heart) of God. Not as God himself. Are you trying to confuse; or are you really confused? You know what they say about ditch digging and tangled webs and stuff. Careful...
Okay, perhaps it is me just having a difficult time keeping up with your thought process.
As you were.Perhaps this illustration might help with that...
Ok. My thought process might be a bit warped on some things. However, I pray for clarification where I err. Not too long ago we got cortection (from the spirit) when SirDent (
) gave us the scripture regarding who sent the comforter. God did; in the name of Jesus. This conversation sheds light on biblical wording and allows us to reason together to find truth. I believe the bible to be truth, the whole truth and nothing but... we miss each other because you cherry-pick to find its "flaw". It all works together.
We cannot say that God condones murder because the bible states that he doesn't.There is conflicting information on murder as well.
No mistaking, God did order killing for most disobedience when the Jews hit the road. But since I know that Jesus has the same mind as God, I know the killings were not his "preference" Jesus was a peaceful man who was full of mercy. The info does not conflict; it paints a FULL picture.
That surely is a picture of Jesus of your own making, cgenaea. You cannot glean that information about Jesus from the bible. So, your picture suits your own needs.
If Yahweh was my Dad, I would divorce him as my father. Just for the time Yahweh (Super Daddy) killed 99% of us earthlings on the Planet, drowning them out. Plus he is threading to destroy the Earth again MMooohahhahaa.
What an imaginationIt amazes me that some can read the horrors of the OT and still insist that they believe in a loving forgiving God.
Because we read the horrors in the spirit of which they were reported. I just realized that each time, God attempts to create the same place. A society of people that does things his way.
That is interesting.In other words, you close your mind completely to reason, and pretend that there is something magical called "spirit" that magically turns words of torture and murder into unconditional love.
And He does that through strong-arm tactics such as threats and extortion.
Actually, that's just disturbing.The words you have attributed to me are false.
Reality is:
God's people were given orders for how they should live. When they disobeyed, the punishment was harsh. It still is.
So many died for disobedience.That's because you are in denial. The words are a spot on description of someone who believes in superstitious nonsense.
You have no proof of any Gods....or any God's people, so that's whimsical drivel.
When my kids disobey, even if the punishment is harsh, it is never fatal. Your God is a monstrosity!Our God has a different line of thought. We cannot fathom all his ideas.
That's a rationalization. It's no different than saying Hitler was very smart, we can't fathom his ideas.
Hitler was a man punishable by the laws of this land. God is not. We know Hitler's rationale. He spoke it. I believe we know God's rationale too for much of it. To liken them is confusing. God IS smart. We cannot fathom his agenda. We know what he says. We kinda know how he does things. We believe or we don't.
So you confirm that you believe that MIGHT makes RIGHT, and are too afraid to think for yourself.
This was definitely the mindset of the 911 hijackers, as they plowed into those buildings.Your blind faith for someone who commits genocide is no different than those who blindly trusted Hitler.
And your blind faith is no different than the ones who killed Jesus. Which of us is "better"???
Here's the difference,
You watch and condone genocide and admit you don't know why he asked them to be committed or committed them himself.
I don't watch or condone or justify the murder of anyone.Jesus was murdered. You do not see that you stand behind his murderers???
Why would you say that. I stand behind no murderers, where as you condone gods genocides.
Pontius washed his hands and grabbed a front row seat. Would you have sat with him on that day?
Was Jesus not sent by God, his father, your father as you so vehemently claim, to be murdered (your words)? That was God's plan, wasn't it? As a Christian, you believe it is by the blood of Christ, by his "murder" in which you receive your salvation, is it not? To scorn others by saying they stand behind the people who murdered Jesus in such a spiteful, hurtful, spit-in-their-face way, well that's confusing because according to Christian belief, it was God's will. Are you spewing distain toward God for his plan? Are you showing distain for God's will? To hear it told, you would have no salvation if not for that "murder". Be careful in how you throw your words, since you speak Biblically and are so like Christ (the very claim that you make constantly on these forums) it may appear that you hold the distain that Jesus did not.
It is statements like this that make me understand the vicious brainwashing that society puts us through. This was definitely the mindset of the Nazi soldiers, as they threw the Jews into the Gas Chambers, and ovens. I believe you are smarter than this Genaea? I believe that you just think that you are this morally weak.
She is smarter than that, but right now she is standing behind the invisible bully and watching because she is afraid the invisible bully will turn on her.
Yes. Totally controlled....through fear, by complete nonsense.
Mindless obedience, through fear, makes the brain useless.That I stand behind my daddy hoping he doesn't turn on me...
Sorry, but that's is exactly what you just told me.
Please have mercy!!! You must be the king of kings! Is yo name Alla for real? Where do you park your chariots?
"......each time, God attempts to create the same place." Yet he failed each time.... not a very powerful god if that is the case!
and... if they don't believe, they will go to hell for eternal torture and never get pass go or learn their lesson for a second chance.
Hollywood war and horror movies have more love in them, then some of these Bible stories.Cgenaea
Jesus did not write, so we have to believe those ancient goat herder reporters to get it perfectly right from God without wrong translation thereafter.
I trust my first hand report of the world's freak show, up to date. Wail singing I did it my way in order to serve the masses of the earthling better.
What wrongs with that?getitrite
That was so horribly and terrifying put. (yahweh)
LO
There healthier setting or way to use spirit , magic and dreams though.
all i know is that Jesus was born with a human flesh and as the Son of God.His being a God is with Him.Don't worry they will know soon that there is God.
Haha.....want to bet on that one? Oh, sorry, you don't gamble, even on the possibility/probability of there being conscious life for you after your death.
I don't gamble, either.
If science can put life in any body then it will be evolution. Both exist god and science.
God CONDEMNS RAPE.
God RAPES Mary.
God CONDEMNS SUICIDE.
God KILLS Himself.- ahorsebackposted 11 years ago0
# 4, 496,487,234, 123 ---Anti-God Poster ! Yeaaa ! Hey we get it OP. Get over your anti- God self!
Wow, look on how long this tread of Addiction has gone on.
Must prove, fighting and fear addiction is real.
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