ARE ATHEIST MAD?
Are Atheist Mad.... my answer NO.... some folks gonna believe Noah carried Dinosaur ... if they're cool.... Atheists are cool too.
"Little knowledge is dangerous as it leads to false assumptions."
Mohit, I love children, got a stack of em
I feel that the parent's belief is so far away from reality the little girl never had a chance.
I would suggest that praying has never saved anyone.
When I got cancer I had an operation. My best friend got cancer, would not have it operated on, instead he prayed and of course died. I was at much higher risk, have lived 15 years since, and he was dead in weeks. I have seen this sort of thing many times. Get a bloody doctor fools, don't rely on prayer or any other psych process, seek medical advice for your kids folks.Some things are dead set mechanical.Ah, well I think your beliefs are pretty funny too.
And please feel free to just speak for yourself rather than lumping me in with not having the mental capabilty to decide whether dinosaurs lived at the same time as men.
Thank You! I wanted to add, I would like anyone that is willing to debate that comment to enlighten me.
From Earnesthub:
I know we are born condemned to death by a our own DNA which we now know after ten years of research by two Australian scientists.We will be in a position scientifically to halt dying within 10 years.
The only reason anyone will die of old age after ten years time is that humans cannot accept life without death. Hardwired inbuilt religiosity stops the whole process. A strong propensity to fear death leads the sub-conscious mind to invent a way around the fear. Anyone who has studied the little we know about the subconscious has an idea of how much bigger it's "god" is than religions god.
There is ample science to explain why god is a man made myth.
The major religious tomes such as the Bible and Quoran for example are supposedly designed for all to read, yet they are self evidently unreadable!
This is evidenced by hundreds of religions stemming from the same few books.Non dumbed down humans will see this straight away with just one example.
There is no religious agreement because these books only describe the "human condition" which unfortunately is what we interpret through.So the world is a mirror, we see in it what we want to see of our own psychlogy and nothing else, in other words gods of any sort are what we believe as an aspect of self.
Religionists speak about religious bliss without knowing that when properly functioning (so far unseen in humans) we are all capable of happiness and bliss 100s of times that which is currently understood by mankind.
Our brains (yes even Steven Hawking's brain) are chemically depleted, access to seratonin and dopamine is measurably low and has been in a terrible state in humans for a long time.
This makes us intellectually slow as well as emotionally crippled. The worlds population are running on very low brain function due to modern life destroying brain chemicals and pathways at an ever increasing rate.
this is more than theory, it is well known medically and supported by reams of university tests and scientific evidence that cannot be dismissed, unless of course you don't wish to know!
Stress a human and you can watch the depletion of brain chemistry, neurons not firing properly, seratonin storage and release not operating to any decent level, we are an eight cylinder running on one cylinder only under modern stress.
We are not using even 10% of our brains because of the pitiful consciousness we have access to.If the religious open their minds they can know what I am saying, I can provide links and information about the exciting advances in science and thinking behind what I have said, Minds such as Steven Hawking.
All the information is already out there to act on.
I guarantee the zealots will not touch it. Too scary to be in charge of their own life, and too much responsibility to be both the devil and god. Mankind can change, not die, not run out of space or food, never feel emotional or physical pain, it is all in our future but how long to wait?
Heres the bind... It has been estimated by psychologist and scientists that it will takes as long as 160 years before mankind Has enough emotional clarity to be able to see full life potential as a reality. First we have to wade through the mire of religiosity, superstition and dirty DNA apologists to come to terms with what we should be doing right now!
Kinda makes me want to tell people about my religion or lack of it. Dunno why I bother really, just human I guess, because I know I am talking only to those who would learn about it soon enough anyway! those with an open mind.
So what's really important is what we call death. Life is an impasse between 2 realities, if you belief in reencarnation
death<life<death
if not ..well go figure!reward or punishment < bulls..t
Leave u now b back in 6hours or soi c that only in the courts of justice
and i must go now ! stop posting or i can't go c u later
O.OK so we agree and everybody is happy
let's go back to the 1st question then: Are atheist mad ? well I am,sorry! thought it was meant 4 me. I'll leave it to earnest
Sorry marine, it is a bit of a dogs dinner, it has been some months since I was researching this and I have forgotten detail. The guts of it is there, but there is a mass of supporting data on the net anyway, written by real people who were there and did the research. I may dig up what I know and make a hub on it when I get time
marinealways, here we go then.
I will try from memory first, but I am an old codger, so may have to refer as well.
Several major scientific breakthroughs have occurred recently that are more than a little exciting.
1. Burnham Institute for Medical Research has published the discovery of the "cell death triggering mechanism" this discovery is pretty hard to explain, but basically they have discovered the protein interactions that cause cell death. OK that is a small part of it.
2.An Australian husband and wife scientific team have found the actual protein that causes aging and death to begin.
They said on BBC that it took them 9 years in which time they had a baby as well. The scientists described the finding as like opening the door to a photographers dark room and turning on the light.They said, now that we can see, we can examine the whole room. I am telling this from memory because it must be a year ago now, and I have not yet found the articles.I will though Some top research here, http://biopsychiatry.com/
I could write a book right now on the little I know, but surfice to say, it is already out there in bits of information from many sources.Hi Jewels! I think there is structure coming to metaphysics now. I have been using David Pearce's sites for many years, and have almost finished a two year task of reading all the data therein. I hope we know and trust each other well enough for me to suggest you take a look. I cannot find the series on this aspect at this time, but it's there somewhere! Maybe bookmark it in your browser, I could be wrong, but there is so much about humanity and all sentient animals on the site, and yes even a theory of Paradise and a very good look inside body and brain chemistry, let's face it, David is one very smart person, I hope you meet him, a delightfully modest, humane and decent man. you know what they say about structure, "if it's good at the top" I would love a report back on what you hate/love wonder. If too busy, no problems
I like your mind Jewel, I will probably always be trying to learn from it or teach it. Wonderfully lear as always Jewels.
Davids drug information is accurate and well supported. He has a vast personal knowledge of drugs, brain chemistry and many many other disciplines and is a very sweet man. All his friends are the same, very very bright and dedicated to the cause of BLTC. I will post their statement, although brief, it is inspiring, maybe to others too? The neuroscience is well argued too, both for and against, David likes peolpe to have am opinion The happiness of humans is something I already know a bit about, but it does take a blunt and difficult step away from many very strongly held beliefs, that although false are confronting and provocative, and have a surprising hold on the psych. If you like to work with logical yet extended thinking, well their is a hell of a lot of it here.
Brain chemistry is fraught as you would expect, but there are partial solutions and short term fixes, but some with feasible futures. The seratonin and dopamine structures as you know, cannot be solved with the perfect empathize MMDA or one of the other several hundred apparently psychologically usable drugs, from this pikhal group, but it is not a dead end.
You are right about the differing brain chemistry, but this is becoming more transparent with research too.
The state of mind question needs discussion, as we disagree somewhat there, so it could contain something for us to know about The core effect is addressed in "the hedonistic imperative" or "trouble at the mill," I cannot recall which one.
The plot thickens from here, I am sitting here in a back brace hurting, and my beautiful 20 year old son is going to fix my back. I will return... love taking atcha Jewels.
I can fully understand your caution, the whole area is fraught with danger, the path obscure, and I am interested in discussing it and any other means of repair for the human condition.
David you will find is very open to any discussion, and will happily learn from others, so if you have strong or for that matter any objections or theories you would like to pursue, I know you will be warmly welcome to contribute arguments and ideas. That is what I like about you Jewel, you can think for yourself better than many.
I have seen the same first hand over my lifetime, and even lost my best manager and close friend to injected speed among many other negative experiences with drugs.
David's drug site is an accurate critic of drugs without the sensationalized reefer madness, and no side effects are un examined, you will need to read this part very carefully or you may get the wrong impression.
As for drugs that develop the correct chemical structure for the brain to work as it should, the only problem is our own chemical factory leaves no crime unpunished.
Truthfully I have taken pure (now unobtainable)MMDA and the other methyl MDMA now seen as a lousy drug for parties, so no market with todays smart shoppers.
The damage to a one time user of E is so minimal if at all, it could not be measured the next day.Even drug enforcement here don't try to sell that it will hurt your body, but they do claim it hurts your brain, and that just aint so. The only way I know to use the drug is for gaining more knowledge of my true self. I avoid mixing it with the wrong chemicals like alcohol, prepare the body with rest and exercise, eat lightly as you would for a run and set the environment to your own needs and desires, most preferably on your own if you are a confident and self controlled person, with a trusted friend otherwise and in a receptive state, take exactly the right dose of a correctly tested tablet and wait 30 minutes or so. you will be in the correct state to learn the true power of your own love, your love for others and your own life. Want peace? I like to feel ecstatic and at peace simultaneously and although perhaps others can do so with other forms of meditation I cannot get as far as with E. I only used drugs for pain relief or self discovery apart from social alcohol maybe twice a year. When our intention is to have the best experience with E understand the chemical system will only take you that high once. Do not waste 1% of it. meditate, and make conscious as much love as we can, and it is wonderful. get E right, use it once only, as you do not lose the experience, and then come tell me you know what ecstasy really is, and I will say, that is how we are designed to be. totally loving beings.
There are so many derivatives of this group of drugs with different psychoactive responses which although known to be very psychologically useful, are in the hands of one man, the only person permitted to test them. You can read here if you do not know the Alexander and Ann Shulgin story. it is here http://www.mdma.net/alexander-shulgin/shulgins.html along with results of tests et al. Go to PiHKAL on the front page, go on blow your mind with some very interesting people!
The proposed advanced consciousness assumes no role for pain in learning, and presents very detailed discussions and a clear view of what why where and how our own DNA makes us apologists for pain as a good thing. A huge read. As I said it has taken me two years so far, but the site grows and updates an enormous amount of scientific material, so the reas goes on A bit slow tonight folks so typos may prevail, i hope not, thanks for reading You are absolutly spot on Jewel! It has been estimated that the science is here, the socializing could take a very long time!
I'm sorry to hear this about you. I'm leaving the thread as I can't be of any help here.. I don't think you like my jokes
And yes, 4 me life is a joke
Mark, you said: This is a scary idea. I do not think I have ever learned a lesson of any value that was not a painful one. no my clever friend there is another way to see it, All growth in my psych has been painful as hell, as have those who seek to know self. it is shitty in there with the dark side, or shadow aspect of self. the next question is what if it wasn't? Sorry i may not have explained it well.
No, you explained it just fine.
I am still entertaining the suggestion that we are "conditioned," to treat pain as a good thing and thereby learn from it. I will have to digest this one though as this is a new idea for me. I am well aware that I have been conditioned in a number of ways and I need to spend some time looking inside to see if this is the case.
If it is, I will be pissed as all get out.
Although, perhaps it will not be such a painful learning process?No mate, it will hurt like hell, just like the rest of your personal growth!
Unfortunately we humans, despite all our attempts to change, hate everything about it emotionally.
I'm happy to say i'm not depressed at all. haven't been in all my life, even through distress.
I think is more of how you consider life. For me it's a jokeGod consciousness, your deepest consciousness is eternal.This death we experience is just a gate to another dimension and your spirit or soul can never die.
hi Mohit!
I get that we "live forever" in the true scientific fact that nothing is destroyed, just changed but as I see no possibility of "god" outside a working brain, I see no way to be aware or conscious of "god" I also believe we already have the science in place to allow man to not die, we just do not have a society that will support it, and although it could be achievable within ten years, it will take more than a hundred years before mankind has made enough of "god" conscious to see that there is no need to keep the diseases of pain or death.The deepest material or essence, the building blocks of this universe and man is a very fine light love tissue with infinite knowledge which is called god.
I don't want to be here on this planet forever, I like being in the other dimension where there are no limitations because of the body.
For that I must die.
"Some say I will live till eighty,
Then home I will come to your endless beauty."I would like to be here forever. As long as the development of the sub-consciousness continues, I want to know it's wonders. If my life is my myth, then I want to know more
Each to his own.
As always I've got 2 go... C u later
Hey you wonderful philosophers of cyberspace. Three weeks will hardly be at computer screen but now and again pop in to enjoy the deep space chatter.
Interesting you guys talking about this life and death thing while I'm writing a eulogy for a brother-in-law.That sux. Too bad your brother in law is dead. Have a safe trip.
I will get back to making fun of your beliefs in 3 weeks time.
Jewels I am reading your hubs in between other online work.
You have a vast knowledge base to work from. We may or may not agree on all of these matters, I do not know yet until I finish and dissect, but I do know you have an open mind, and have actually had a look in it!Its a commandment...is all Love one another as I have loved you
(its not meant to be a secret) lol
but like most instructions man has to deal with , most of us &^%#@ it up
p.s Im sure not all Atheists are mad , just like not all Christians are cuckoo..
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