Why can't Christians and atheists agree to disagree?

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   dianetrotterposted 12 years ago

   Why can't Christians and atheists agree to disagree?
   
   Atheists don't want any references or reminders of Christianity in public places.  There is a cross at the New York twin towers which atheists says makes them mentally and physically ill.  There is a cross at Camp Pendleton they want removed.  Is it possible for soldiers whose families are Christian to have the monument and atheists to have whatever they want.  What if the area is divided?  Atheists on one side and Christians on the other.

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   MickSposted 12 years ago

   Because they are not content with their own beliefs, they each want to brow beat the other to change their way of thinking, as if - 'see, I got you to change, I must be right and you wrong.'

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      dianetrotterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Hi Mick.  Would you please give a couple of examples?  Thank you!

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      MickSposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      No, I won't give a couple of examples, I have better, more important things to do witth my time to research this pettiness, and this is not a school with examination questions.

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   Jesse Mugnierposted 12 years ago

   Prejudice makes us do and say stupid things. That is my answer to why they cannot agree to disagree.
   Looking at an inanimate object can not make you physically ill. (unless its some scary halloween fake blood thing, and blood makes you queasy, or something similar). The atheists are not phsyically or mentally sick looking at a cross. They are predjudice. They just want to be heard and recognized, while also being the most valued. Christians are just as bad, some of them going around asking stranges if they believe in god.
   However, having faith, or no faith, does not change who you are as a person. Reacting to someone elses faith, or lack there of, in a manner of disgust, does change who you are as a person in a negative fashion. Whether you believe in God or the devil or purple martians on the moon, everyone deserves respect.
   To answer your second question, no I don't believe the area should be divided. I believe everyone should not get what they want, and show respect to the people around them. Unfortunately and very sadly, their loved ones have passed, and that is a boat they will always been in together, and that boat don't give a hoot what you believe in.

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      dianetrotterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Hi Jesse, your answer makes sense.  Actually there are people on both sides who do not impose themselves on others.  The obnoxious, overbearing behavior of some people is the problem.  Then those that stereotype based on that behavior.

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      Jesse Mugnierposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I wasn't stereotyping, I was aiming exactly for those overbearing, obnoxious ones. I'm sorry if you thought otherwise.

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   lone77starposted 12 years ago

   The Rockefellers and Rothschilds want to created all manner of divisiveness to keep us from working together to stop their plans to take over the world. They are the beasts of Revelation. In fact, their "mark of the beast" is the RFID chips the Rockefellers want to have embedded in all of us "slaves."
   
   Back in 1871, it seems one Albert Pike (33rd degree Mason and master of the Illuminati) wrote a letter to his counterpart in Italy about a plan for 3 world wars. The third would focus on conflict between the Jews and Muslims, but would pit atheists against Christians in order to destroy both so that their Luciferian cult could take over.
   
   More than ever, we need to turn the other cheek. Let atheists take down symbols. The symbols are not God. In fact, God didn't want us using symbols.

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      dianetrotterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Interesting Lone77, I didn't know about the 1871 letter.  I think the deal is not so much the crosses as much as SYG.  Oh, oh!  I don't want to go there.  Anyway, once you give up a right, how do you respond to the next demand?

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      Michele Travisposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Lone77 star has made a good point. Part of the 10 commandments -You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

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      Larry Wallposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      lonr77star: I am just interested. I think I have read answers to at least 3 different questions that all make reference to the Rockefelles and the Rothschilds. I do not understand why you constantly refer to them. Not trying to argue, just understand

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   Sapperposted 12 years ago

   Well, I can't speak for all atheists, but I can tell you why I'm an active atheist. It's the simple fact that religious people, not only Christians, don't know how to mind their own business. If you think gay marriage is wrong, don't marry someone of the same sex. It's as simple as that. The fact that they think everyone needs to follow their rules no matter what they believe is when I, and people like me, feel the need to step in.
   I would go into more, but it's actually a topic I was going to write on for my blog this week.

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      dianetrotterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Thank you Sapper.  I can't wait to read your blog.

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      Sapperposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      http://failedatheist.com/why-we-cant-agree-to-disagree/
      I got my blog post wrote if you are interested in a more in depth answer. It ended up coming across a lot angrier than I had planned.

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   Larry Wallposted 12 years ago

   Some Christians and atheists do agree to disagree. However, that does not stop the Christian from praying for the atheist to "see the light" whereas, there is nothing the atheist can do, since he believes in no higher power that he can invoke so that the Christian stops seeing the light.

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      dianetrotterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I love this!  Well atheists won't know unless someone tells them .... I guess?  Unless they become Christians?

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      Dantex460posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Atheists will only follow truth,  invisible sky wizards has no logic whatsoever, If you was born in India you would be preaching about Hinduism instead. Do not act as if you are the one who is right as neither can be proved or disproved.

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   themadimadimadiposted 12 years ago

   As an atheist... I personally don't mind Christians or any other religious group for that matter. I think one of the key things of being an atheist IS agreeing to disagree, and acknowledging that everyone has different beliefs and that is fine. I would never tell someone they were wrong for their beliefs, or criticize them for it.
   But I personally feel some Christians can be the opposite.
   An upside down cross to me is a joke, a taunt, a haha "I'm not worthy of your god", which is what it is meant to mean. Many Christians are insulted by this, therefor I feel it's only right atheists may be insulted by a right side up cross, after all to us it represents something imaginary, a lie...
   Regardless, many find comfort in crosses, and religion. So why take it away from them?
   
   All personal opinion... as it should be...

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      dianetrotterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I like your answer but what is this about an upside down cross?  I agree that no one should be insulted by it.  Giving you a thumbs up!

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      themadimadimadiposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      What I mean about the upside down cross is... first off people often take it the wrong way, and don't know the real meaning of it.
      Upsidedown or right side up it can be offensive, and shouldn't. But it being upside down IS a mocking.

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   M. T. Dremerposted 12 years ago

   I think the reason the sides can't necessarily agree to disagree is because the argument isn't perceived, by either side, as a matter of opinion. For example, it's pointless to argue against someone's choice of favorite food. No matter what case you make, that's just the food they like and will always like. While belief in god is something each side believes it has irrefutable evidence for. Atheists are certain there is no god and christians are certain there is one, but both are convinced the other side is too closed minded or stupid to put the pieces together. Not all christians or atheists act this way, but I think the ones who butt heads the most definitely are susceptible to it. The problem is that it IS a matter of opinion. It doesn't matter how much evidence one side has over the other, there will still be people who believe the opposite. So it really is pointless to argue. Asking meaningful questions to understand each other, however, can be constructive if done in a civil manner.
   
   As for displaying religious symbols in public places, it all depends on who is doing it. If the symbol is attached to an individual (like a fallen soldier) or an independent company, then I see nothing wrong with it. But when it's attached to our government, which clearly has a separation of church and state, then it is showing a preference of religion and goes against the founding principals of our country.

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      dianetrotterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      How perceptive!  Thumbs up!

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   dianetrotterposted 12 years ago

   We can't reply to comments so .... Sapper, I read info on your link.  I don't know if there is any cost involved with the cross.  On the otherhand, if taxpayer money is used for abortions, many Christians are also taxpayers.  So our money pays for things we don't believe should happen.  This is the case with a lot of things tax dollars pays for.  The issue with gay marriage probably wouldn't be an issue if people weren't asked to vote on it.  Each person has one vote.  Don't worry about coming off angry.  It's your site. I've seen some really angry sites.

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      Sapperposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      The cost involved with the cross wasn't huge, I want to say it was only $20,000 or so, at most. But it's not so much the amount, rather the simple fact that it was spent over nothing.
      
      Can't comment on the other things, I ran out of characters.

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    Darrell Robertsposted 12 years ago

    I think the answer to this question is people are too emotionaland their egos are too big.  If a person believes in God or not, that is their business, their choice and their preference.  Many people feel the need to be right, so they feel that they have to exert themselves to porve some point to another person, to make their ego feel better.
    In my eyes truth be told, there is no conclusive truth either way. To believe in God you have to have faith, faith does not make it a fact that God exist.  TO say God does not exist would also need supporting evidence.  The description of God and the limited knowledge that human beings have as a whole is not enough to conclude that God does not exist, especially when studying how smoothly the universe operates, just like a clock, and clocks do not make themselves.
    
    I think that to be fair all religions should have what they want at the site, they should have the same amount of space to have their display, and the atheists shold have whatever they agree on as well.  See there, all egos are taken into consideration.
    
    Best wishes, I hope this helps.

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       dianetrotterposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Thanks Darrell!  Sounds good to me.  Thumbs up!

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