Would you admit you were wrong if it meant losing face (respect)?

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   Link10103posted 10 years ago

   Would you admit you were wrong if it meant losing face (respect)?
   
   Hypothetical time.
   Say you made the statement "Johnny stole my apple". To back that up, you say there were several people who witnessed Johhny stealing your apple. Now someone comes along and asks you for the names of the witnesses. You do not provide the names after repeatedly stating that they were there and saw the whole thing. Then someone else comes and gives you video evidence that shows Johhny eating an orange at the time of the supposed apple theft. Do you admit you were wrong? Or avoid answering queries and leave the situation? Which leaves you with more respect in the end?

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   poppyrposted 10 years ago

   I think you lose more respect if you continue to lie when you're obviously wrong.  You look like an idiot if you stand there saying "nope Johnny definitely stole the apple" when there's video evidence that you're mistaken.  If you admit you're wrong youre actually more likely for people to forgive you and less likely to 'lose face'.  Just my opinion though.

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      Link10103posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      It shows that you are an adult and can take responsibility for your actions. I am surprised there are people x amount of years my senior who still cant manage to do that.

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   CWanamakerposted 10 years ago

   I would admit that I was wrong. This would probably earn you  more respect in the long run.  I don't like it when people keep trying to  say they are right when then clearly aren't.  It makes them look arrogant and like a fool.  Just admit when you're wrong - it will have the best possible outcome in the long run.

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      Link10103posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Agreed. Usually at that point, the person gets backed into a corner and starts hurling insults, which doesnt do well for them in any scenario

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      Lybrahposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Or you're completely rude to them and they become defensive about it.

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      Link10103posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I find it odd then that the insults start flying after i point out the person in question is being whatever they are being, especially when i quote or point out an instance that proves it.
      But Im sure thats just the hateful child in me though, right?

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      Lybrahposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Right.

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   jlparkposted 10 years ago

   I'd admit I was wrong and apologise for my mistake.
   
   I think in the face of irrefutable evidence such as actual proof like videos, a written statement where the person has contradicted themselves etc one will lose a lot if not all respect if one continues to carry on in their statement of truth or correctness.
   
   I've had this recently and have notice my respect for the persons involved has decreased in proportion to how long they continue to go on despite contrary evidence of the things they are saying.
   IRL even!

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      Link10103posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      The blatant disregard of self inspection baffles me at times. Its one thing if the problem is only between 2 people, but if more than one person is pointing something out, you would think the guilty party would stop and think for a second.

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      jlparkposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Baffles me also. You'd think they would, and some do, but some don't! It's particularly odd when it's obvious to everyone but the person saying it. Oh well, I have better things to do with my time than worry about them now so I've given up.

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   Say Yes To Lifeposted 10 years ago

   I think you should admit you were wrong, but you'd better come up with a pretty good explanation for lying in the first place!

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      Link10103posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      It would have to be the biggest sob story to make any kind of sense to me, since usually at that point insults start flying about willy nilly.

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   danicoleposted 10 years ago

   Your hypothetical question is more about lying and jumping to conclusions than anything else. Personally I don't like to lie or jump to conclusions, so me in situation like the one described above is VERY unlikely. Even so, I would admit I was wrong because to me respect doesn't matter (especially if you are arguing with that person/they already lost respect for you). Its embarrassing and you feel stupid but its the right thing to do. You can't leave a situation like that because you will lose face and won't have a chance to get it back. If you admit you were wrong and apologize there is chance that the person may forgive you and you actually gain respect (gain face) from it.
   Admitting you're wrong doesn't have to be a bad thing. Its a human thing. Admitting you're wrong is HARD BUT it is also VERY respectable (in my opinion). It shows you are not hung up on your ego, and that you are reasonable and decent! More people need to do this!

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      Link10103posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Indeed they do. Sadly I've run into a few people on this site who edit their comments (in the forums) or delete conversations in the Q&A to avoid looking like idiots themselves or in an attempt to make someone look bad. Started taking screenshots

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      Lybrahposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Why?  What are you planning to do with those screenshots?  Have you made files on different people?

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      Link10103posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Nothing really, unless said person continually lies about things.
      I wont be making the same mistake i made with you and being nice when lies and insults are flying around. Helps to reference things better as well

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      danicoleposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I remember an experience a while back! I commented on a hub, disagreeing respectfully. The author deleted most of my comments and edited her hub to take out all the parts I disagreed with/made her look bad. Talk about pride. She lost face in my book!

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      Link10103posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Just had that happen 2 days ago. Someone called me an idiot after i called him out on something and said he would leave the comments up for people to see that i was.
      Oddly enough, he deleted the comments an hour or so later.

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   Aime Fposted 10 years ago

   I always have more respect for someone if they admit they screwed up and apologize. I think it's a great trait and one that unfortunately a lot of people don't possess. I think being able to reflect and see that you were wrong will only make you smarter. Running away doesn't resolve anything and reflects poorly on the person doing the running.
   
   So yes, I will always try to see when I'm wrong and apologize if I made a misleading statement.

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      Link10103posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I have had a few people on here accuse me of being a hypocrite. Aside from it being a "Oh I stink? Well you stink more!" kind of thing on their end, I asked them to point out where so we could address it.
      Never get a response aside from more insults

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      Aime Fposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Yeah, there are certainly a lot of stubborn ones around here. But that's all I'll say about that since I've already lost my posting privileges in the forums.

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      Link10103posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      You too? It seems HP doesnt actually look into reports very well then...

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      Lybrahposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Link, take some responsibility for your actions, please!

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      Link10103posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Care to explain lybrah?

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      Lybrahposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      All I'm saying is that some times people are oblivious to how arrogant and condescending they are.  You are not exactly what I'd call polite, or objective. You are constantly belittling others and talking down to them.

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      Link10103posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      And i have asked you in the past to point out where i did so and it was completely unwarranted, rather than me getting insulted first.
      You have yet to do so, instead you agree with the person who is against me simply because its me. Bravo

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   Hendrikaposted 10 years ago

   I admit it if I was wrong immediately, to save face is less important

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   Lybrahposted 10 years ago

   I would admit I was wrong and apologize.  I would explain why I thought that Johnny ate the apple.  Though I probably would never have accused him in the first place, unless it was an honest mistake.

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      Link10103posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Really? You were pretty quick to jump the gun in accusing me of making a guest account just to insult you a few weeks back. Hardly doubt that was an honest mistake, rather you just being biased because it was me.

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      Lybrahposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Link, the reasons I had to accuse you were good ones. You had created other accounts on Bubblews in order to torment me.  I really did think that was you.

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      Link10103posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Torment? What planet do you live on? Please explain how i tormented you with an account that was deleted within an hour due to their IP address blocker.

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      Lybrahposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Um, okay, within that hour, you blew up my comment box with angry posts.  Luckily Bubblews wasn't having any of that.  You then tried to create another account and then another when that was deleted.

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      Link10103posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Mmm, and was this before or after you started gloating at how you got my main account with 200 posts deleted, all because i didnt report you for defaming me right before.
      Those silly details you keep forgetting to mention are annoying arent they?

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      JThomp42posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Hmmmm the same thing he accused me of. It seems he is paranoid of people doing things he has done in the past. WOW!

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      Lybrahposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      JT you don't know the half of it--this is the tip of the iceberg in regards to our friend.

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      JThomp42posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      He has certainly continued his skills on this site!

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      Lybrahposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      LOL

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       JThomp42posted 10 years agoin reply to this

       

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       jlparkposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Guys - all three of u - do you all realise how childish this sounds? You are all as bad as each other. - baiting, responding, baiting another. Pleas just sort it out, or at least take it away from HP.

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       Link10103posted 10 years agoin reply to this

       I agree. Topic change.
       
       Lybrah, anything on those satanic baby rituals yet? Its going on like 3 weeks now.
       
       JT...well i dont know really. Its hard to discuss things with you when you lie and delete stuff. Favorite color?

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       jlparkposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       smh...

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       JThomp42posted 10 years agoin reply to this

       I think we know what the problem is here. Someone who has a huge ego. One that is so big he feels the need to stalk someone on another social site and follows her to another one? SMH

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       Link10103posted 10 years agoin reply to this

       So no topic change? I did try JL.
       
       JT did you know I made a Hub Pages account when I was still with Bubblews and it stayed inactive for 2 or 3 months? Did you also know I asked Lybrah to stop talking to me months ago, to which she agreed and reneged?

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       Lybrahposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Link, do you remember all those posts your wrote about me, about things I said...BEFORE I defamed you?  How YOU started this whole thing?

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       Link10103posted 10 years agoin reply to this

       What were those posts about Lybrah? Did they have anything to do with your personality, writing ability, or insulting your audience?
       Or did it have to do with the gaps in logic in your belief that you were using to condemn and insult people?

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       Lybrahposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Link, I am sorry about writing that post, but you did deserve it.  You are the one who felt it was your job to counter my "illogic" and thus enraged me.

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       Link10103posted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Progress.
       
       I said, several times,  that just because I find your reasons for belief to be illogical that it had nothing to do with you as a person. Kinda why I asked you plenty of questions, and look what it led to. Both our accounts gone.

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       Lybrahposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Link, you went about it the wrong way...that is all I can say.

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       Link10103posted 10 years agoin reply to this

       That would be more believable, if I wasn't the only person you disagreed with, mocked, and insulted due to your faith.
       But I feel that is enough for now.

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       JThomp42posted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Link.... you really need to get a grip on your emotions. They seem to be getting the better of you.

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       Austinstarposted 9 years agoin reply to this

       And the winner is ... Jag! Those 2 have had their accounts deleted here at HP! Thank you for standing up to their evil ways. I was so tired of them. Now one of them is back with a new account that sounds like my account! Stargrl - right!

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    dashingscorpioposted 10 years ago

    More often than not under this scenario I probably would not make a big deal out of it. In fact I would most likely make a mental note not to leave my apples out when Johnny was around.
    I've never been one to openly jump to conclusions or make accusations without solid proof.
    If it's just a "hunch" on my part I'd keep it to myself.
    However I imagine if I did accuse someone of doing something they did not do I would feel guilty for continuing to insist they did something which I knew they did not. I rather be known as someone who owns up to their mistakes than to be known as a liar.

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       Link10103posted 10 years agoin reply to this

       You are a better person than most

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    JThomp42posted 10 years ago

    I would definitely admit I was wrong and be furious at the people who called Johnny out. There is never a reason just to be a jerk just for the sake of it. In fact I may not say nothing at all. Johnny may have been starved and needed that apple more than I.

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       Link10103posted 10 years agoin reply to this

       This would be a great answer...if you hadnt done the complete opposite of this a few days ago.
       
       But if we just arent being honest anymore...good response.

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       JThomp42posted 10 years agoin reply to this

       Thank you.

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