Mocking Alert: Which statement was a bigger fabrication?

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   Valeantposted 6 years ago

   
   'I would love to sit down and talk to Mueller under oath.'
   or
   'I believe I would have run into there, even if I didn't have a weapon.'

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      Wesman Todd Shawposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      The biggest fabrication of the past ten years was the ridiculous military strikes on Libya, and the shameless lie that such was a 'humanitarian mission.' I'm so very thankful we've got Donald Trump in the White House, and not Hillary Clinton.

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         Valeantposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         Solid attempt to hijack the thread.  Shocking that a Trump supporter would take the same side as Putin in your example.  Just totally surprising.

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            Wesman Todd Shawposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            So you support the North African slave trade? What a guy.

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               Valeantposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               I didn't say I supported anything.  I just noted your position mirrors that of the Russians and that you admit to being a Trump supporter.  Now how about if you want to talk Libya, go make your own thread.

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                  Sharlee01posted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  Valenant, I can see bringing Libya hit a cord. And it should, because the story we were fed by Clinton as well as Obama could not in any respect be called a fabrication. It was a bold face lie...  In regards to the two statements that were quoted in this post, Trump was giving an opinion on perhaps what he would have done or would like to do. They in no ways can be proven as purposeful lies. Hillary Clinton lied, and she did in a haughty tone, and wore a smug face.  You see she lies with ease.
                  
                  Westman hit too close to home, broke through your  shield by making a very obvious point and comparison.  Sometimes one can still hear even with their fingers i their ears, and humming a lively tune. And I don't know where the hell Russia came into all of this, that's actually silly, glib, and over used.

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                     Valeantposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                     Me:  Trump made two preposterous statements, which was more outlandish?
                     Trump Supporter:  Libya.
                     Me:  Thanks for clearing that up, Einstein.

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      Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I will address the question, Val. Both statements are equally obnoxious, as is himself... 

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         Sharlee01posted 6 years agoin reply to this

         RG, Both  of Trump's statements were obnoxious.

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            promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Kudos for your honesty.

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      Readmikenowposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Doesn't matter. Trump is more popular than Obama.
      
      "Trump's job approval number stood at 48 per cent on Wednesday in a Rasmussen Reports tracking poll. Fifty-one per cent disapprove.
      
      On February 21, 2010, Obama's was 45 per cent, with 54 per cent opposed to his work in the Oval Office."
      
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article … dency.html

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         promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         Rasmussen Reports is a famously Republican polling firm.

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            Valeantposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Gallup has Trump at 39% Approve, 56% disapprove. 
            Gallup had Obama at 50% Approve, 43% disapprove in 2010 during the same week. 
            
            Yeah, sure Trump is more popular.

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               promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               Gallup is much more neutral than Rasmussen. Personally, I like Real Clear Politics because it has a collection of polls.
               
               https://realclearpolitics.com/epolls/ot … -6179.html
               
               Notice how Rasmussen has a much higher approval rating for Trump than any other poll. Pure Republican bias. No credibility.

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                  Readmikenowposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  So what? Gallup is also a poll that predicted Hillary Clinton would win the election in a landslide.  Also, Gallup is a left wing polling group.
                  
                  https://www.quora.com/Are-the-Pew-and-G … -left-wing

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                     Valeantposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                     Did you even read the five opinions at that link you just sent?  They all pretty much said Gallup has to be non-partisan. 
                     
                     As for Gallup being undermined because their polling missed Trump winning, here is Rasmussen the day before the election:  http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ … 2016_picks

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                     promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                     Gallup did not predict Hillary would win in a landslide in the final weeks before the election.
                     
                     It had her with a wide lead until Comey said he was opening the investigation into her email server again. At that point, her lead vanished and victory for either one was within the margin of error.
                     
                     Are all polling groups left wing if they have numbers that make Trump look bad?

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      PrettyPantherposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Donald Trump, in his own words:
      
      “So what happens is, this guy falls off right on his face, hits his head, and I thought he died. And you know what I did? I said, ‘Oh my God, that’s disgusting,’ and I turned away,” said Trump. “I couldn’t, you know, he was right in front of me and I turned away. I didn’t want to touch him… he’s bleeding all over the place, I felt terrible. You know, beautiful marble floor, didn’t look like it. It changed color. Became very red. And you have this poor guy, 80 years old, laying on the floor unconscious, and all the rich people are turning away. ‘Oh my God! This is terrible! This is disgusting!’ and you know, they’re turning away. Nobody wants to help the guy. His wife is screaming—she’s sitting right next to him, and she’s screaming.
      
      Thank God for the Marines. “What happens is, these 10 Marines from the back of the room… they come running forward, they grab him, they put the blood all over the place—it’s all over their uniforms—they’re taking it, they’re swiping [it], they ran him out, they created a stretcher. They call it a human stretcher, where they put their arms out with, like, five guys on each side,” shared Trump.
      
      “I was saying, ‘Get that blood cleaned up! It’s disgusting!’ The next day, I forgot to call [the man] to say he’s OK,” said Trump, adding of the blood, “It’s just not my thing.”
      
      I'm glad he had bone spurs. Probably would have gotten others killed.

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   Dean Traylorposted 6 years ago

   Decisions, decision...this is like choosing between arsenic and cyanide to put in your cocktail. But...if I have to chose, I'd have to go with the latter. In an interview with Howard Stern (which I know all the Trump supporters will try to deconstruct) he mentioned he couldn't stand the sight of blood and actually walked away when somebody had an accident in front of him.

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      Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      True Dean, he was more worried about the blood staining the beautiful marble floor.  True dat!

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   Sharlee01posted 6 years ago

   And yet you deflect once more on the same thread. Have you actually studied how these polls are taken.  They call 1,000 individuals as a rule in large cities. These polls can easily be skewed, as they were the night Trump won. Please look that up and post it. I would prefer it came from you...

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      Valeantposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Sharlee, responding to a claim someone has made on my thread isn't a deflection, it's called responding.  And to claim that Trump is more popular by quoting a Rasmussen poll, which the entire world knows skews severely conservative is pretty misleading.
      
      You've had trouble following along on a few of my posts.  This is going to turn nasty soon.  I suggest we avoid each other so neither of us gets banned.

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         Sharlee01posted 6 years agoin reply to this

         I agree...

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      promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      You are correct in that polls can skew slightly in one direction or another. Professional pollsters use a number of ways to avoid the problem.
      
      A good poll will list a margin of error. The smaller the margin, the better the poll.

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         wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         Sometimes I wonder.  Polls can be skewed a lot more than "slightly" and it really seems odd when liberally biased pollsters always have the opposite results from conservatively biased ones.  Personally, I believe that 90% or more of the polls we see are designed to give a specific result.  A pollster hired to conduct a poll on public approval ratings of Trump for CNN won't last long if his poll shows that 75% of the people approve, just as an example.  Food to feed his children with is worth more than his integrity, but isn't that the case whenever politics is on the scene?

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   Onusonusposted 6 years ago

   "If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor."

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      Valeantposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      That one is about as bad as we're going to build the wall and Mexico is going to pay for it.  But yes, that one was definitely an outright lie.
      
      I'd even throw in 'Benghazi was caused because of a video' as bad too.

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   Onusonusposted 6 years ago

   "I did not have sexual relations with that woman"

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      Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I don't blame her, onus!

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         Sharlee01posted 6 years agoin reply to this

         I think we can agree most presidents lie, and fabricate the truth or better yet express their own opinion without thinking.  Which is a very human mistake...  For instance, the statesmen Obama made about Trump from a news conference from The "Rose Garden Oct, 18 2016. We now know Obama new very well of the Russian interference in the election, and chose to share the better part of that knowledge with the Trump campaign.  NYT "WASHINGTON — President Obama ridiculed Donald J. Trump on Tuesday for saying that the presidential election was rigged against him, telling Mr. Trump, the Republican nominee, to “stop whining and go try to make his case” to win more votes than Hillary Clinton. 
         
         Is it fair to hold Trump to a higher standard?  I could give many examples of presidents lying. Trump may be the king of over stating his opinion. Will this man ever be  considered for his accomplishments, his agenda?  I have lost friends over my vote choice, due to Trump's brash personality. Does anyone ever vote on agenda?  We had two very flawed candidates. One that felt she was a sure thing due to her career in politics, the other with brash outspoken personality and orange hair. However, I looked at agenda. this seemed a common sense thing to do. I am aware that presidents lie... The difference is president is clearly making every attempt to keep his campaign promises, and he is doing it fighting great obstacles.
         NYT Article   
         https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/19/us/p … ction.html

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            Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            A few lies are acceptable, but over 2000 in his first year in office? How can you tell when he's telling the truth, when his lips aren't moving?  He's no role model for our children, or for adults for that matter. I hope you continue to be proud of him Shar, the majority of us aren't.

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            JAKE Earthshineposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            I challenge anyone to mention a single topic and or policy Mr. Trump has NOT lied about, deceived the public about or blatantly misrepresented. His serial falsehoods are unprecedented and of course are highly unusual and unacceptable to the overwhelming majority of Americans. He's a 'Fabrication Fiend" unlike any other, one is worse than the next, just one of endless reasons why he'll be removed from our oval office soon.
            
            He’s a very sick individual psychologically and I’m nothing less than shocked that his family and or friends, those who should actually care about his well being, have not yet intervened to get him the mental help he so desperately needs before it‘s too late.
            
            Do agents of Russia control his mind? His family's? Is he unable to think for himself? Is this why Vladimir Putin has so easily manipulated him and forced him to severely weaken the fabric of the United States? Why is he undermining the USA?

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               wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               "Do agents of Russia control his mind? His family's? Is he unable to think for himself? Is this why Vladimir Putin has so easily manipulated him and forced him to severely weaken the fabric of the United States? Why is he undermining the USA?"
               
               No, no, yes, have you stopped beating your wife yet and have you stopped beating your wife yet.
               
               But would be interesting to find out what training and credentials you have to declare "He’s a very sick individual psychologically" and see the written report of your psych exam.

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                  Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  No one has to yet give a reasonable explanation as to why Trump will not extend the sanctions on Russia or even to get on Pootie's ass for meddling in our elections. The republicans in the majority are not  speaking at all of these sanctions even though all but 5 members of both parties voted for them and Dump signed the bill.
                  
                  No other modern POTUS has ever kissed up to the Russians in this manner, and hopefully none ever will after we get shed of this buffoon. If Pootie isn't pulling his strings, then what's the deal? Mueller will soon tell us I'm sure.

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   NY2Chicagoposted 6 years ago

   TO QOUTE HILLARY CLINTON, "AT THIS POINT, WHAT DOES IT MATTER ANY MORE!" JOURNALISM AND JOURNALISTS CAN NOT BE TRUSTED ANYMORE! WHAT USED TO BE AN ETHICAL PROFESSION IN THE USA, IS NO LONGER.
   
   WE WATCH OR READ WHAT WE CHOOSE TO, AND LIKE A LEMMING PROFESS IT OVER THE CLIFF. THE DOWNFALL OF AMERICA, HAS BEEN IN OUR SOCIETY FOR YEARS. OUR CHILDREN ARE NO LONGER AT THE TOP, INTELLIGENCE WISE AND  THEIR GRADES CONTINUE TO FALL. MANY TEACHERS ARE CAUGHT UP IN POLITICS, AND CONTINUE TO ESPOUSE IT. BECOMING A TEACHER IN A CERTAIN SCHOOL MAY BE BY CHOICE OF COLOR OR BEING PC. THOSE THINGS DON'T MATTER, IT SHOULD BE THE APLICANTS  QUALIFICATIONS THAT MATTER.
   
   THAT BEING SAID, DO THE PEOPLE REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT IS BEING SAID.

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      Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      SPOKEN LIKE A TRUE FOX NEWS WATCHER! 

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         Sharlee01posted 6 years agoin reply to this

         Hi RG,  I have a question. Do you not find it odd that CNN or MSNBC does not report anything remotely positive about the President? They nightly dissect his words and  physical actions.  It has become very clear over the past two years that they do not report any of his positives accomplishments.  In regard to journalistic integrity. It is common for journalists to quote sources that wish to remain anonymous. However, when a news outlet virtually never backs up their sources with a name, their news reports become nothing but innuendo.   
         
         i am not going to defend Fox, because it is also clear they sensationalize stories. However, as a rule they do bring on actual human beings with a face as well as a name to corroborate what they report. In my opinion, journalism has suffered over the past 15 years. We have talk jocks reporting our news, nothing more than celebrates. I find it very hard to ferret out the truth....

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      Dean Traylorposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      You know , that whole lemming thing is a myth perpetuated by a  documentary made by Disney (they actually threw them over the cliff). Just saying...unless YOU WANT ME TO YELL IT AT YOU!

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   paradigmsearchposted 6 years ago

   Seems like the appropriate thread for this link, https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/02/arts … n-snl.html

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