Why do people worship satan? Or perform witchcraft?

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   schoolgirlforrealposted 3 years ago

   I'm just curious.
   What do they gain? And people that perform spells/witchcraft,  what do they gain?

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      grand old ladyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      I know someone who does witchcraft. She has rejected Christianity. I know when she's mad at someone she sends little curses their way, but nothing really harsh. I think what she gains is that this is a new area of study and experimentation for her. It's esoteric knowledge. I am a Christian, so I am not into satan worship at all.

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         schoolgirlforrealposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         I am a Christian as well.

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            Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            The Wiccan that I know of is more about nature and holistic living.
            
            Satan is not so bad, he believes in Yahweh, I don't.

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               schoolgirlforrealposted 3 years agoin reply to this

               I know that it is hard for people to believe in God when there is so much suffering in the world.
               
               I have talked about this before so I'm not going to comment much more about it right now.
               
               It really is up to each individual to make their own choice when they want to believe in God or not.
               
               We can all agree that as humans we have free will we are not robots not yet anyway!
               
               Maybe in the future the rich people of the world in the elites will create people into robots.
               
               Maybe with enough changing of DNA or altering of the humans body they could.
               
               I mean after all there are a lot of scientific Geniuses and computer Geniuses in the world today and there's always been leaders who want to dominate others and totally put them in slavery.
               
               As humans we have to make choices and we have to ask for wisdom.
               
               I believe that only the true God who I believe in and give his people wisdom just like Solomon asked for wisdom and they said he was the wisest King that ever lived.
               
               We have to learn from history because history repeats itself.

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                  Mark O Richardsonposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                  Freedom to choose is key. Everyone is their own person. I think of yin and yang because there are different types of people. Everyone goes by their own study and experience. Perhaps some don't believe in anything but want to try out Satanism/Witchcraft. If someone truly knows & believes in Satan, I cannot understand why they would want to follow him. If someone does not believe in Christianity, they may not believe that witchcraft is bad.

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                     Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                     Witchcraft is based on nature.

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                     wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                     No one knows Satan any more than they know God.  Which means that Satanists may very well have a very different opinion on what that entity is like - after all the vast majority of opinion comes from his detractors.

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                        AliciaCposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                        I agree. Different concepts of what God and Satan are exist. We shouldn’t assume that people have the same concept that we have (if the terms are actually meaningful to us).

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                        Miebakagh57posted 3 years agoin reply to this

                        I agree with you wilderness. That is the hard truth. People hardly believe in miracles, how come these believe in Satan and worship him? I thought the wish is just foolish as the though.

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               schoolgirlforrealposted 3 years agoin reply to this

               I think people worship Satan because they want to have ultimate freedom and they think by doing it that they will get it.
               
               Allow themselves to be deceived and these people that worship Satan or worship themselves instead of God will end up in eternal hell.
               
               I am specifically speaking of people that want to be like Hitler that want to enslave others and want to rule the world by enslaving other human beings.
               
               They think that they are going to be all-powerful but they don't realize that Satan lies all the time and he's the father of liars / lies.
               
               But I will say that I think people worship Satan because they want to have power they think they will have power and to an extent they will because God favored satan . At one time Satan was Lucifer. Lucifer was one of the angels in heaven.
               
               But because of Pride he took 1/3 of the angels to hell with him when he rebelled against God and he obviously didn't win because God has the power.
               
               God had a plan and he allowed Satan and his demons to tempt humans.
               
               Why?
               God wanted to create humans with free will.
               And did.
               God allows Satan to tempt us.
               Part of God's plan to further along our free will . In other words not only do we have free will, but it is enhanced by choosing good or evil in other words God or the devil.
               
               If we choose God and have a relationship with him, not only will will we be wise in this life , we will have eternal life in the next life....
               
               If we don't use God and therefore we choose Satan/ourselves....
               
               We will render Eternal misery along with being fools in this life.
               
               I have heard in the Bible it says the truth will set you free . And there is such a thing as truth.
               
               Let's hope and pray many more find it.
               
               I respect you. Just speaking out loud

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               Miebakagh57posted 3 years agoin reply to this

               Agree that Satan believes in Yahweh and you don't. What makes you that indifferent?

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                  Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                  I exist by experience. Who has gone to hell and come back to tell us all about it that 99% unknowns. Satan is somebody's else nightmare.
                  A concept of fear, in order to control others.

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                     Miebakagh57posted 3 years agoin reply to this

                     Okay go beyond hell experience then.

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                        Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                        In Muslin helll, they shove a monkey up your butt.
                        
                        Christians hell, the animal demons eat your flesh forever . Plus Satan burns off your skin over and over continually as eternity torture.
                        
                        Cant imagine horror beyond this. Paul's writing must of been a nasty sadistic maniac for such a horrible retirement eternal plan.

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                           schoolgirlforrealposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                           https://youtu.be/vhDFwa69XVM
                           
                           Interview
                           
                           I can see in this interview many things...

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                              Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                              Mel loves suffering, I don't.
                              
                              Christians tell me all the time, God gave you that gift of talent. I think my father gave the genes as an artist and as I pass pass it down to my daughter who both of us are international renowned artist.
                              
                              It took work ethics and love, attitude, focus and least important talent. The reward was loving what we do for most waking hours of our lives.
                              Maybe healthy organic foods are the real gods.

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      Lone Wolf Primeposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      You could literally make this exact same argument about any religion honestly.  It just comes down to a matter of choice, and how we choose to perceive reality.

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         Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         The truth of reality would best be served from your own perspective of your individual dependant of choices and consequences.
         
         To go and pick the right God among 3000 major Gods into the 99% unknowns would leave me lost in space with my brain half falling out.

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         blondeyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         True

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            Miebakagh57posted 3 years agoin reply to this

            I agreed but some will not. Much thanks.

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   Castlepalomaposted 3 years ago

   I think we can do better than the bronze age.

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      blondeyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      What's the bronze age? Val
      Karas is the name of the author here I mentioned in the other forum under my other name schoolgirlforreal

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   Castlepalomaposted 3 years ago

   I know how to make God laugh......
   
   Tell him My plans
   
   The only consistent positive change throughout human history. Came from the collective consciousness of the people. Not from the kings, politicians or empires who  got too abusive with their people. The people forced positve change, not the other way around.
   Love is my God. Fear is mainly the unknowns, so need to fear.
   
   Satan created a hot night club for fornicators.

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      schoolgirlforrealposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Interesting! Yes people make change I agree.
      Yes satan did contribute to nightclubs. I agree though you're joking.
      Funny!!

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         Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         Any very large institution like State, religions, centro banking, Oil companies and Livestock. They are all deeply corrupted. Absolutely power corrupts.
         Take the medical profession, they make big profits for you not being healthy. They make profits for you failing in your health. Because life expectancy is declining in the US.
         Also making. Mainstream medical the leading cause of death in world. Public speaking is no. One fear in America. You say anything not for the covid system or their vaccine you will be attacked by tbe greatest herd you have ever seen. Be cancelled ban or even killed for your degrees of actions.

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            blondeyposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            I dont believe in the catholic church and yes they are corrupt.
            I believe in small churches or even no church and just reading the bible. I do not currently go to church. I read bible. I pray some. I watch preachers/encouraging tv shows.

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               Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

               Yes, smaller organizations would be healthier. Yet organizined superstitious is not for me. Even local governments would be better.
               
               Once was surprised when Richard Dawkins said. Nationalism is more dangerous than religion. I Must agree.

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                  schoolgirlforrealposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                  I don't understand everything you're saying.
                  But I'm not here to convert.
                  I just enjoy doing my thing.
                  What is nationalism

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            schoolgirlforrealposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            Hey
            I just read your comment in full. I see. Interesting.
            You know, people will hate you for a difference in political views or religious as well, those are the top two.
            I think.
            
            I have become numb to politics and as far as my personal faith, that's mine and I don't preach much these days. <3

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               Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

               Your probably more so a growing individual like myself who suffer very little from us Against them extremeist. I too
               have become numb to political and religious conflicts. 
               
               Never have I seen a greater divide  than today in the US. Nationalism is like the new religion and the Government is called God. It's the completion of a religions way of thinking that says that some groups of humans, such as ethnic groups, should be free to rule themselves, especially to the exclusion or detriment of the interests of other nations. Even Canada keeps bragging they are the best nation & place in the world.

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                  schoolgirlforrealposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                  Wow. Did not know that about ethnic groups or Canada.
                  I've heard bad things of Canada on Twitter but it can't be true- I know people in canada . They are still free

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                  schoolgirlforrealposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                  Anyone who wants to enslave others will act like god.
                  They're evil.
                  Humans are supposed to be subject to God  therefore being kind to one another imo.

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                     Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                     Who ever wants to be king require slaves to support them
                     
                     I am the king of my own domain

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                        schoolgirlforrealposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                        You are huh.
                        I'm the queen of my domain. There you have it! I do own a cat...or maybe he owns me!

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                           Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                           You are taken care of, both ways.
                           
                           Wish I had a pet

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                              schoolgirlforrealposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                              Yes pets.are awesome

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            Mark O Richardsonposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            Good point. Reminds me of when I talked to a hillbilly and he pointed out that doctors want to "treat" you. This is true...if they treat (instead of cure), you have to keep paying them.

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      schoolgirlforrealposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Kirk Cameron also says change comes from people like us.
      
      I will never give up faith nor stop trying to convert others to Jesus.  I just do it less directly

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         Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         Five hard Christian girlfriends,, in a row, tried to save me and they all gave up all together. Lol
         
         If I don't love their JC, and above every other kinds love and loves one.. Not into hate or being against nothing, the world is my family too.

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            schoolgirlforrealposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            I interact socialize with non believer all the time. I love people.  Nothing against non believing
            
            I keep up my faith to avoid depression as it's my main cure.
            
            Occassionally I will discuss it
            Or whatever
            
            Its essential to my sanity as is al anon and many things like friends hobbies family

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               Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

               Whatever works.

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                  schoolgirlforrealposted 3 years agoin reply to this

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   bhattucposted 3 years ago

   Everything has something opposite to it and that was the reason why Satan was perceived by many as an evil power sitting opposite to God. So, some guys like to tame him to get their work done or to have influence on others - could be one reason why they woo it.

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      schoolgirlforrealposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Yeah. They do. I'm aware.
      But their error / delusion IS they think he won't hurt THEM.
      he causes DEPRESSION.
      
      Among other things.
      
      Also, they have no power OVER him.
      Only what he allows but they ALWAYS LOSE.
      1) they lose their soul if unrepentant
      2) he fools them and hurts them
      
      He has less power than God.
      And you cannot tame him.
      
      
      If people choose to use his power they may enjoy it for awhile
      But longterm they are being stupid.
      
      And messing with fire is ignorant.

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         Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         The source of all problems comes from our minds.
         Satan dose not exist in my life, so he has no influential effects though out my life.
         You once said I was lawless, I do have two simple rules. Be honest and don't harm. Satan can't honestly harm me, only my mind can do that. Since I love my work for most waking hours of my life plus a dozen love ones that surrounds me, life is upon a bliss. Maximum happiness, minimum suffering. Satan is not required for enteral torture of senseless lessons, because I'm fearless.

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            schoolgirlforrealposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            Some would say believing in conspiracy is hurting one's mind. (Just like you say believing in this)...

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               Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

               I am what I think or I am what I can integrate truthfully.
               For what I believe start to conspire for or against for 1000s of years, we all do it. Only hurts if you allow it to be.
               
               Some say I am offended
               Why unless it's the truth, if not and it's bs, I don't care probably ignore it.
               
               Most conspiracy theories don't hold enough evidence. And then there are yesterday’s conspiracy theories  become today’s incontrovertible facts. Facts like Lightbulb, marijuana, Homosexual, trickle down and etc.
               
               It’s reasonable to suppose many of the views that are now dismissed or mocked as conspiracy theories will one day be recognised as having been true all along.
               
               Allex Jones is into “conspiracism” too much junk information wars for me.

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   Castlepalomaposted 3 years ago

   Wiccan is based on nature, what is more religious like, than nature.
   
   Once was the only male invited to a female Wiccan group. I did not sense any foul play or harm within their beliefs.

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      schoolgirlforrealposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      I understand.
      I was talking of those who do bad things

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   Kyler J Falkposted 3 years ago

   I've been friends with many religious Satanists, and equally as many wiccans/pagans, and I'd have to say they do it for the same reason most people worship, "God."
   
   They lack any other foundational beliefs, and settled for one school of thought; although, in wicca/paganism I've found that those people at least try to have some sort of objective grasp of the physical world and how it came to be/functions. Weirdest thing about them is their dream-sharing, and use of Ouija boards to commune with the universe; funny enough, this practice was banned on military bases during Sunday worship due to strange occurrences during wicca/pagan services.
   
   Whereas the Satanists I know prefer to think their, "God," is some sort of savior just like Christians believe a subversive demagogue from the Middle East is their savior, rather than basing their beliefs in empirical data. Either way, both, "Gods," swear to bring about the end of the world at some point, causing most-everyone to suffer for not worshipping them like an abusive partner controls their spouse, and they are most accurately called two heads of the same coin.
   
   However, after attending a few Satanic-themed, cult-like adult parties, I'd say confidently that many Satanists are just atheists who need attention from others to feel valid in their existence; that attention can be good, or it can come in the form of rebuke from their less-tolerant rivals in other religions. Either way, the religious practice itself is equally-worthy of disdain.
   
   It's scary to watch people immerse in a belief system rigidly, no matter the belief system, but even scarier are those who seem to fit into every single system like some sort of chameleon changing its colors to fit its environment. This is why I study religion, though, as it has taught me much about the deceptive nature of the game of power.
   
   I ramble, but nice idea for a post, it got me thinking.

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   Live to Learnposted 3 years ago

   I find Satan worship weird but I view it kind of like atheism.  It's an anti social stand,  consciously made.
   
   Witchcraft doesn't bother me though.  I don't see the harm in make believe.

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      Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      I guess it can be considered an anti social stand when most people, who are religious, oppose them. Sometimes, I get ran over being on middlegrounds

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      Miebakagh57posted 3 years agoin reply to this

      FYI witchcraft is not a make believe. It's real dangerous real!                                                                   Some people said it's mankinds first religion...a dangerous trend imho.                                           However, every person is free to go with his/her flow.

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      Lone Wolf Primeposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      I don't know if I would say it's make believe, as I've seen wiccans do things to their exes using magic that makes me weary about ever dating one. 

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         Miebakagh57posted 3 years agoin reply to this

         Sorry.

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         Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         In the snow white story, i went for the witch. Because of their magic and I can encourage her to tame down some of her wicked habits.

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   ValKarasposted 3 years ago

   Ultimately, what others choose to believe is something happening within their own personal space, and since no two persons can occupy the same space, I don't get affected by their beliefs, only my own.
   
   I honestly don't care what the world is up to, because I have no control over it. It's like choosing a movie to watch -- I can see the tragic side of the world, or a comic, or insane, or genius, beautiful or ugly.. whatever, it's all available out there to see, the whole repertoire.
   
   Satan or Angels, this or that deity, medicine or self-healing...it's ours to choose, to live consciously, not brainwashed by this or that manipulative authority., no matter what they call themselves and what they are worshiping. .
   Above all is personal freedom to choose -- our thoughts, emotions, attitudes, to be reactive or proactive. Because no one else is called upon to do our breathing for us, no one is called upon to choose for us.
   
   Life is beautiful and divine -- if we make it so. .

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      Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Interesting profile.
      Do you do self hypnotizes?

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      Miebakagh57posted 3 years agoin reply to this

      The freedom to choice can be easily abused without guidance. That's where the trouble lies. To some people the left fingers seems to be the same as the right. They know not better.

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      Mark O Richardsonposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      All excellent points

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