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   marinealways24posted 14 years ago

   Why do some Atheist's think creation is impossible? Aren't Atheist's created by their parents like everyone else? Are Atheist's mad at their parents for creating them?

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      C.J. Wrightposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      you know when you stir that, it makes a stink!

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         marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         lol What do you mean? I am just making conversation.

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            C.J. Wrightposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Oh, I misunderstood!LOL Sorry.
            My thoughts. Theist and athiest alike arrive at their conclusions based on what they believe to be true. As with any belief there are allways external factors. In some cases the Theist himself is the greatest external factor that contributes to the atheist belief system. Athiest of these sort tend to be the angry ones. The angy athiest is frustrated by what he sees as a pious, hypocryte who preaches love and hate all in the same breath. This athiest is very sensitive to these buzz words like "Creation", "SIN", etc. These words will often solicit an angry/negative response from the atheist. The theist response is often one with an attitude of "holier than thow" which only keeps the argument going.....

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               earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               The problem is simple. Atheists are just people who do not see fairies in their garden!

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                  Arthur Fontesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  I have never seen an electron yet I believe in them.  Must be delusions.

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                     Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     atoms, molecules, germs, vikings, planets outside the milky way...

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                        Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        thoughts, personalities, feelings...

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                     earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     You can prove an electron exists very easily with science.
                     You cannot see or prove a god for a simple reason. God is a lie in a book full of hate and lies.
                     Not a sign of proof.

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                        Arthur Fontesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        What motivates the electron to orbit a nucleus?  Why does it do it and what started the first electron to move?

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                        marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        I agree that religious definitions of creation contradict how we find logical truth. I am talking bout creation outside of religions defintions.

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                           earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           Stardust. The latest understanding from science is very interesting.

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                        Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        1000 years ago they could not prove an electron existed, did they only come into existence once they were proven?

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                           Arthur Fontesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           Has anyone here actually seen an electron?

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                           earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           What sort of logic is that? Apply that to other things and see how well it fits!
                           
                           I breath air, no problem with needing to see it, because it does something!

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                              Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              It is a question Earnest, you say without proof 'it' cannot exist. 1000 years ago there was no proof to the existence of electrons...therefor by your logic they could not have existed... they were as you say fairies in the garden...no?

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                              thetruthhurts2009posted 14 years agoin reply to this

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                                 Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 Who are you asking?

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                              thetruthhurts2009posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              Was your brain designed or a random accident?

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                     (Q)posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     You've never seen lightning or static?

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                        thetruthhurts2009posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        Still waiting on those facts Q.

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                  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  lol Theres nothing wrong with seeing faires unless they tell you to blow people up along with yourself. There are a few others as well.

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   marinealways24posted 14 years ago

   Do these questions make Atheist's angry?

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      Sa Toyaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Lol I don't think It would...but some who would jump at answering this have been banned as you may know...Missing them I am!
      
      Everyone loves their parents right?

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         marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         lol No, some hate their parents. How many got banned?

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            Sa Toyaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            True there are those that aren't parental fans!
            
            4 people as far as I know
            
            Blood and Tantrum were 2 of them
            
            CW and Smooth As Silk (not sure on their beliefs)
            
            AS FAR AS I KNOW THE BANS WERE UNFAIR but rules were broken so...
            
            I'm assuming everyone else is worried of replying in case they get banned too

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               marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

               I don't know what they got banned for. I will say I got banned for calling someone hypocrite one time. lol I think I got banned for calling someone ignorant b4 as well.

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                  Sa Toyaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Something along those lines.

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      Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Nah, they make them giggle

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         Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         :giggle:

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         marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Good because I don't like to feel the atheist wrath. It can be the devil.

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   Arthur Fontesposted 14 years ago

   Do atheists come from religious families or do they come from atheistic parents?

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      Bill Manningposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Both

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         Arthur Fontesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         That did seem like a silly question let me expand on it.  I was raised in a Catholic home I revolted against this at an early age.  I would not define myself as atheist but I do not follow any organized religion.  In my case it was the fact that I had too many questions that could not be answered by my mothers religion that caused me to stray from her faith.  I wonder if other people have had the same experiences with their parents religion?

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      marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I'm glad you said "came from" instead of "created by". They get angry when you mention "creation". You won't like it when their angry. lol

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   Bill Manningposted 14 years ago

   I don't think everyone is afraid to answer. I just think it gets so old to keep bringing up the same question so many times in so many ways. Yes my parents had sex and had me, just like dogs, cats and rats do.
   
   That is not creation as your referring too, that's simple biological workings of an organic thing. Fruit flies are great at it! I love my mom, my dad a different story.

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      Sa Toyaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      When I said afraid to answer I meant didn't want to get involved as theses topics always lead to verbal fights/arguments and bans have been issued recently.
      
      I agree it's all about the human race multiplying. I'm with you there on the mom, dad thing- I love my dad but it's getting tricky...to the point where he is now a hub.

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      marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      lol How is that not creation?!?! Please explain this? If you explain, I won't have to keep asking will I? Why can't a child come from only 1 parent? Why does it take 2 parents to create a child?

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         Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Well, uh because humans are a species in which 1 parent has the egg, the other has sperm...

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            marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Um, why can't we just evolve from an egg? Why do we need sperm? lol

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               Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Because without the need of a males sperm, men would be of no practical use to women. They put up with us now, but take that away and they wouldn't.
                

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                  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Or they would trade us for vibrators. Am I allowed to say "vibrators"?

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                     Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     That's my point, were only kept around as long as they need something from us...

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                        marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        I think it is a conspiracy. lol

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                           Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           

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         Bill Manningposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         It's all in how your wording it. If you want to say that two living organisms that have sex and produce an offspring is actually creating one, then fine, it was creation.
         
         It's also nothing more than messy sperms penetrating an egg. Worms have both a male and female parts. Many microorganisms split themselves and form new ones, never having sex.
         
         If you want to say that was creation then fine, go right ahead. But we both know your talking about some magical being when you say creation, and that is just not the case.
         
         However if you agree that we can produce offspring and it has nothing to do with a god or higher being and want to call it creation then by all means do so.

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            marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

            What created the microorganism that split themselves to create new micoorganism's? Are you assuming I am talking about a magical being? I don't think my parents are magical. I just proved you wrong on your assumption, haha. How can we create creation if we weren't created? Make sense to you?

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               Bill Manningposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               See, this is why talks like this never end, because it just goes on and on with both seeing it their own way.
               
               By what you just said then, how can their be a god unless something created him/her? and if someone/thing did create god, who/what created that/it?? LOL.
               
               We all just come to our own basic conclusions of what life is about. Nobody knows the whole key to life and the world as we know it. So we each judge and decide for ourselves and hope it's the right one.
               
               I just base mine on what I see around me, what I studied and I'm happy with what I have arrived at. I'm glad your happy with what you have decided to believe. I'm not going to change you, and your not going to me.

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                  Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Nicely Stated.

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                  marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  lol You are right, it is ongoing. I think it can drive a person insane trying to find the root of existence.
                  
                  Which takes more faith to believe? Faith in creation, faith in evolution, both, or neither?
                  
                  If you are already happy in the conclusions of your belief, are you not limiting your mind to possible new and more open belief?

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   earnestshubposted 14 years ago

   It is not a real question though is it?
   It assumes a lie.
   The elephant in the corner is that not one iota of proof exists for this fanciful belief in a hate filled psychotic entity and that is no surprise.
   A book written by madmen who threaten death to get people to "believe" is not the same is it?
   This is disingenuous to say the least!

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      marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      lol Why do you think a I have to believe the bible to believe in creation? I think creation is evident all around. Then again, everything could be an illusion.

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      thetruthhurts2009posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      That's not really an answer is it How is it false assumption either we are designed or just a random accident, there is no third option. Thou shall not lie another objective moral standard. Thanks again. You know God, you just hate God. Who in their right mind call a non-existent being  "hate filled psychotic entity" (another dawkins annotation very original )  Only someone real can hold such a title.

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         marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I don't think comments like these open peoples mind to the possibility of creation.

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   C.J. Wrightposted 14 years ago

   See what I mean....angry....this is not good.

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   earnestshubposted 14 years ago

   Creation is all around us. Just not created by a psychotic invisible entity.

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      marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      If creation is all around us, wouldn't it be logical to believe our origins of existence were created?

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      Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I have to side a little bit with Earnest here. While I don't believe God is what the 'cavemen' in the Bibles say God is, and as Earnest has stated the 'God' descriptions in the Bibles are very much of an angry, jealous, spiteful entity.
      The goal of getting people to do as they were told is very evident in the wording and descriptions of God in the bibles. The simple fact that the central concept of the Bibles is that of 'what must a person do to get to heaven? Obey .'
      
      Where Earnest and I differ is in that while I know that these descriptions are not true descriptions of the "pink unicorn" that I call God, Earnest has decided that if that is what God is then I(Earnest) don't believe that 'God' exists at all. I(Mikel) instead choose to believe that God exists, and that the descriptions of a hateful psychotic entity are just incorrect.
      
      The Bibles, written by cavemen, are not correct about everything. God isn't a take it or leave it ideal/entity.

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         aguasilverposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Whats wrong with obeying God?

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            earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Should we obey this god?
              "I will sweep away everything in all your land," says the LORD.  "I will sweep away both people and animals alike. Even the birds of the air and the fish in the sea will die.  I will reduce the wicked to heaps of rubble, along with the rest of humanity," says the LORD.  "I will crush Judah and Jerusalem with my fist and destroy every last trace of their Baal worship.  I will put an end to all the idolatrous priests, so that even the memory of them will disappear.  For they go up to their roofs and bow to the sun, moon, and stars.  They claim to follow the LORD, but then they worship Molech, too.  So now I will destroy them!  And I will destroy those who used to worship me but now no longer do.  They no longer ask for the LORD's guidance or seek my blessings."   (Zephaniah 1:2-6 NLT)
            Nasty little psychopath this god!
              "I will sweep away everything in all your land," says the LORD.  "I will sweep away both people and animals alike. Even the birds of the air and the fish in the sea will die.  I will reduce the wicked to heaps of rubble, along with the rest of humanity," says the LORD.  "I will crush Judah and Jerusalem with my fist and destroy every last trace of their Baal worship.  I will put an end to all the idolatrous priests, so that even the memory of them will disappear.  For they go up to their roofs and bow to the sun, moon, and stars.  They claim to follow the LORD, but then they worship Molech, too.  So now I will destroy them!  And I will destroy those who used to worship me but now no longer do.  They no longer ask for the LORD's guidance or seek my blessings."   (Zephaniah 1:2-6 NLT)

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            Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Obeying God, nothing....
            
            
            Knowing whether it is an order from God, or someones mistaken belief that it came from God...a whole 'nother story.
            
            I have Faith in God, less faith in humanity...So if it involves another human, it must be taken as possibly flawed.

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               Sa Toyaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Here, Here

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                  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  It was men not god that wrote the religious tomes!

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                     marinealways24posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     I wouldn't call them men. I would call them politicians.

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                        earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        Yes they had a political agenda.

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                           Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           Agreed.

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                              thetruthhurts2009posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              How so? Were they poliical men? No.
                              Were they smart men? No.
                              Were they brave men? No.
                              Were they eye witnesses? Yes.
                              Is there evidence to back up what they said and saw? Yes. 
                              If they were making up a story would they make themselves look good? Yep, but they didn't.
                              
                              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BhjJQciq-A

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                                 moanalisaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 Ohhh, really?

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                                    thetruthhurts2009posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                    Yea, really! Look up Simon Greenleaf!

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                                 Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 uh you do know that the original 'Bible' was written in Rome Italy 300 years after the death of Christ... written by a counsel of Roman Senators put together because the Roman citizens were about to overthrow the Roman government.

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                                    thetruthhurts2009posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                    Wrong. Watch the entire vid. After that read this then research it yourself!
                                    
                                    http://www.bibletruths.org/salvation/wordgod.html

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                                       earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                       Proof?

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                                          thetruthhurts2009posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                          There tons more but you'll never change your worldview your "mind" is made up. Simon Greenleaf is another great source.

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                                             earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                             I am able to change my view immediately, but not because some religionist says so. I would need proof of a god, and that lets you out!
                                             The only proof of religion is it's own ramblings. What a crock!

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                                                Davidsonofjesieposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                you mean like your falty ramblings

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                                                   earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                   I think you meant faulty.

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                                                      thetruthhurts2009posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                      Faulty, Erroneous, Empty, baseless and truculent all apply to your religious ramblings, Earnest.

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                                                         earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                         No, what is empty is your insistence that the bible is truth, now that is erroneous, empty and meaningless.
                                                         As opposed to your posts? Don't make me laugh! lol
                                                         http://planetsmilies.net/animal-smiley-4932.gif

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                                                            thetruthhurts2009posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                            Please! Now you got me laughing!

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                                                            Davidsonofjesieposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                            you still say nothing but foul,what do you believe

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                                                               earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                               You have nothing but the psychotic ramblings of the bible.
                                                               No proof, no sense. just threats.
                                                               You can put your tiny little neurotic god where the sun don't shine.

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                                       Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                       The fact that the Roman Counsel took the ancient letters from the time period mentioned does not negate that the first penned version of the Bible was compiled and written 300 years after the fact.
                                       If the bibles were written and published in the first century, what publishing house did the work? Where are the 2000 year old preserved copies of the original text? Not one copy or partial copy exists?
                                       
                                       That the Bibles were written possibly using the letters and corispondence from the people it is written about, would suggest that they (the writers) would have in their possession those very same letters... do we have these letters? Wouldn't the first church of christianity be in the holy lands, if the religion started there?
                                       
                                       On the video there is a lot of talk but very little proof. I would have to venture that the people that are being portrayed as the 'writers' of the bible, were in fact probably illiterate people... how many carpenters sons in that era were highschool graduates?

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                                          thetruthhurts2009posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                          Ever hear of the dead sea scrolls? William Tyndale? Okay you're the roman type, You do realized your position has been dismissed as false, but I'll correct you further for those reading along.
                                          
                                          
                                          http://www.bible-truth.org/Howwegot.html
                                          
                                          http://www.gnmagazine.org/issues/gn53/b … served.htm
                                          
                                          Don't take my word for it research for yourself!

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                                             Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                             as I'm reading all the stuff in all the links you keep posting the only thing going through my mind is...If I were to write a book today I could site historical things that happened 1000 years ago, and by saying it was written in some letter before that historical thing happened...it would make 'my' prophecy true...
                                             
                                             What I mean is if I were to write a bible today, and include some reference to the 911 tragedy that I say was written before the 911 tragedy happened, it would seem like I didn't write about history, but about prophecy...and then the historical proof that 911 happened would lend credence to the 'bible' I wrote after the fact...you follow me?

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                                                thetruthhurts2009posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                You give them too much credit. Try it write a book see what happens. You can only deny so much before it looks like your running from it.

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                                       Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                       The very first paragraph, no contradictions...'proves' nothing. That could mean the Roman Senators edited it to not have contridictory statements in it...

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   earnestshubposted 14 years ago

   My own words, not taken from Dawkins. I do not hate god, how in hell can one hate a myth. It is those who believe this crud that amazes me, and as I said I don't do hate, that is a biblical speciality.

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      thetruthhurts2009posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      keep shaking your fist at the sky, earnest

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         earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I will leave the fist shaking to those who believe.

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   C.J. Wrightposted 14 years ago

   see what I mean....holier than thou....not good

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      earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      No being holier than thou is spouting religious crud that threatens others, a religious speciality also.

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         Sa Toyaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         That may be an aspect of religion but there are many people who believe in God that do not deem themselves holier than thou or are on a mission to threaten.

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