Should we annex Mexico for their own good?

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sneakorocksolidposted 14 years ago
Is Mexico incapable of correcting the corruption and it's own social issues. Is it time to seriously consider Mexico a true security issue in this hemisphere and take over what they obviously can't handle?
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Because some dumb people think America is what they want and migrate from Mexico to get it, all the Mexicans that are proud to be Mexicans have to become Americans in the end ???
  Are you out of your mind ?!
  I wouldn't like to be American even if they'd pay me !
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  We have cookies.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  hi Sneak!
  What kind of cookies ??
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hey Tantrum! We have choclate chip, lemon sugar, shortbread, butter, pecan sandies, Oreos, snickerdoodles, choclate chewy, fig newtons, cowboy cookies, oatmeal rasin, pie crust and I'm becoming dizzy with desire! Well where are you from? I f you don't mind me asking. I'm sure its exotic and mysterious!
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  Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  "Because some dumb people think America is what they want "
  
  If that is what they want, they're dumb? Because you say so? Anyone who doesn't share your anti-American bs attitude is dumb?
  
  That's dumb.
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  Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  "I wouldn't like to be American even if they'd pay me !"
  
  I'd pay you not to.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah dude. Maybe you could start taking Mexican kids away from their parents and giving them to white Christian families to bring up instead.
  
  You know - for their own good.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks Mark, great idea!
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  BDazzlerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You're joking, right?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sarky, I would much rather close our borders.
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  Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  A remarkably bad idea, not to mention pointlessly impractical.
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  Pandoras Boxposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with Sab Oh.
  
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  foreignpressposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes to all the above. The only way -- the ONLY way -- there will be peace and stability in Mexico, is if an international peacekeeping force (NATO) goes in and takes over. The U.S. does not need another war on its hands. After the cartels are removed, the international community creates a new government that represents the Mexican people.
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Kinda like Iraq huh?...Afghanistan...and so on and so on...
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  foreignpressposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  More or less. Except the U.S. will not be the primary player in a rebuilding effort. Again, multinational. Mexico could be turned into a global economic utopia. A sort of renaissance state that acts as a crossroads for global activity of all kinds. Take the best from each country and put it in Mexico. It is possible. All these second generation Mexicans educated here would be the building blocks of a new age for that country.
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm all for that...if they do it themselves...if not I want it to be mine.
  
  If I have to make it....I want the profits from it too. Otherwise we are right back to the I have to fix it for them scenario...I'm not going to fix their country for them. If I fix it, it will be for me.
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So let me get this straight. You think we should throw all illegals out of the country, but now you want to annex Mexico. Sorry to be blunt about this, but are you stupid? Don't we have enough problems in places like Iraq and Afghanistan, not to mention domestic stuff, that we don't need to go looking for more trouble. Ever hear of Pancho Villa. We sent Pershing to get him and he lead the Punitive Expedition on a merry chase through Mexico.
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creepyposted 14 years ago
why exactly do we want their problems
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No but if we can't stop illegal migration issues and aren't willing to build a wall it would be away to protect our country. Personally I want a wall but I don't see that happening until we have a major terrorist attack and we wake up.
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  ryankettposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If Mexico agreed to the building of a wall, would you advocate this wall being at least as high as Colorado? Afterall, much of the south west of American - where you have the biggest Mexican populations - were in fact once part of that same country.
  
  If Mexico was to agree to build a wall, you are asking them to mark a boundary which the majority believe would exclude their native lands... at least parts of Texas, parts of California, the whole of New Mexico and the whole of Arizona
  
  Just a point which I believe is valid. Many would argue that the Mexicans have a right to citizenship in those four states, since it is their native lands. Much in the same way that many Irish Americans were supportive of the I.R.A and their efforts to 'liberate Ireland' from their 'British oppressors'...
  
  Thanks for the welcome back by the way, just an international perspective on this argument, a lot of Americans involved in that drug trafficking by the way
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No problem Ryan! Well to take that position you would have to give all of Ireland back and give Wales and Scotland back as well. In fact the first recognized civilized control of Britain was by the Romans so the Italians should get it all.
  
  Just a wall would be fine, we're not too much for the one world government thing.
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  cosetteposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  i have never understood why we don't have an impenetrable wall along our borders. it's under 2,000 miles. it shouldn't be that expensive to build...
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  Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  "Many would argue that the Mexicans have a right to citizenship in those four states, since it is their native lands."
  
  Well, they're wrong.
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Ohmaposted 14 years ago
Did that help with Puerto Rico?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No, but we let them get the gravey without the commitment. It's time to get them to be part of the American experience or cut them loose.
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Ohmaposted 14 years ago
Cut em loose!America's problems are not going to stop till we get realistic about taking care of Americans.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I am so with you!
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  Danny R Handposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  AMEN! Bring the troops home from not only Iraq, but Korea, Germany, England, Qutar, and 90% of the places we have them policing the world. We train our toops around the border and use them for WHAT? DEFENCE against invasion of ANY kind.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hear!Hear!
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  Ohmaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  With so many problems at home why is it America's job to police the world? Why do we spend billions of American dollars fixing up and supporting countries that we are at war with?
  America needs to take care of America.
  Protect our borders, feed our kids, you know those little silly things.
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  Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, closing your eyes real tight and waiting for a big #%!* storm to roll up on the shore is a brilliant idea. Destroying our economy at the same time would be a real bonus.
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  Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You blaming Mexico for your economic woes?
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leftofcentreposted 14 years ago
i don't think the USA can afford to go to war with another country. With the way South American sentiment is progressing i think you'll find Mexico will soon be part of a new South American united congress.

i am always dumbfounded as to the reasons why people of the USA think their own values are holier than thou and everyone else should do as they feel is right.

The world is changing and the USA no longer has the RIGHT to tell anyone how to run their own country.

USA should fix their own problems in their own country instead of worrying about everyone else.

You people in the USA are so dumb sometimes. The rest of the world is starting to move against you.
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  Ohmaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If the mexicans would keep their problems in Mexico it would not matter but since they choose to bring them into the U.S. on a daily basis then yes it is our problem An the only thing dumb about the U.S. is that we have been far to tolerant of the stupidity around us for far to long.
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  leftofcentreposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Do you understand how much involvement the USA has in Mexican poitics already?
  
  After visiting the USA, the one thing i picked up on was the that people in the USA, in general, don't have much knowledge about what is happening outside their own country.
  
  Comments like "ohh the mexicans are coming" is just rediculous. Try and understand that its because of what the USA has done to Mexico that these people are fleeing and trying to find work in the USA.
  
  Exploiting workers,
  the drug trade
  etc etc
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  We need to close our border and let them alone!
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  Ohmaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It is not a full out Mexican invasion that concerns me it is the sneaky underhanded slinking across our borders and then bringing drugs, crime and mayhem into our country that is annoying as h*ll.
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  foreignpressposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ". . . its because of what the USA has done to Mexico that these people are fleeing . . ."
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  That comment is the most insidious nonsense ever created! Most Mexicans are living on $2 a day down there. The government is corrupt and infiltrated by cartels. There is no middle class in Mexico, or scant at best. The drug wars are escalating. If anything, illegals from Mexico are refugees escaping from a totalitarian government that doesn't give a damn about its people. But, of course, blame it on the "ugly American."
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  Ohmaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Here Here!
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Which AGAIN brings up the question...
  
  Should we who can do it better, take over the FAILED country of Mexico and make things right?
  
  OR
  
  Should we kick out the Illegals, make the Mexicans fix their own problems, and build the Wall of Freedom along our borders?
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Wall of freedom? Is that from the same book as "enhanced interrogation techniques" (formerly known as torture) ?
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The Great Wall of Freedom is a reference to a hub. What I named the border wall between Mexico and the U.S. and the U.S. and Canada, referencing the Great Wall of China.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  In the end, the great wall of China didn't work so well did it?
  
  I imagine your attempt to keep out the terrifying Canuck hordes would also fail.
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  Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Is this a one way wall? Or do we have to stay in America?
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  First of all Mexico is in America... America is not one but two Continents...so both sides of this wall would be in America.
  
  It would be a wall on the U.S. border between the U.S. and Mexico.
  
  I would build another while we are at it on our northern border, between the U.S. and Canada.
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  Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Great! Use Americans instead of Mexicans when you discuss these people then. Those dang Americans are trying to get into America again!
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If you haven't noticed, I never refer to the United States as America...Nor do I call United States Citizens "Americans" unless I'm including everyone that is an American (Brazilians, Mexicans, Etc Etc...) That other people call United States Citizens by the name Americans while dis-including all the Americans that aren't United States Citizens, is not my problem.
  
  I have said that Mexican criminals should be kicked out of my country, not the continent, and made to fix their own problems, or if they want to dis-band the country of Mexico and make it a part of the United States, under our laws, then I'd be happy to 'help them out'.
  
  Otherwise...
  
  Fix your own country.
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  Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Gee, you sure are tough with "your" country. How did you get it?
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I think we definitely need more dis-including. No question
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  To keep out those desperate Canadians yearning to escape the tyrrany of universal healthcare.
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  foreignpressposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Forget the wall. Within ten years there will be the North American Union. Count on it. The U.S. can no longer compete with the EEU, China, and other globalistic wannabe's. Besides, the NAU is in the Bible. So it's already a done deal.
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  Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No, there won't.
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  Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh yes there will. Have to open eyes and see the USA is only the center of its own universe.
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  Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ok, when? When will there be a North American Union on par with the EU? Tell me now so we can verify later if you were correct.
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  foreignpressposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The EEU is already eyeballing other sovereign states to join. China is moving into Africa. Chavez is trying to create a new federation in Central and South America. It's only a matter of time. Mexico is a childlike country that can go one of only two ways: south to Chavez, or north to an NAU.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What is this EEU of which you sspeak?
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  foreignpressposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  European Economic Union. Bankrupt Greece is a member. They all use the Euro.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I was being sarcastic... but failing, 'twould seem
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  Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Calling Mexico is offensive. Tell me exactly when we can expect this North American Union so I can see you eat crow at that time. Let me guess: it will be so vague or so far in the future as to be meaningless to this discussion. Right.
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  BTW nice bait and switch, you didn't answer either question or make any choice at all...
  
  The art of the politician, change the subject.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I didn't fall for your amatuerish trap and now you're mad at me?
  
  Did you go to the TK school of debate?
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  OOOPs you just blew it...you admitted it, and made me right. Admitting that you had to avoid the answers is the same as admitting you were wrong.
  
  Thank You for that.
  
  {Hint: once you start lying you have to continue lying or you'll get caught in the lie.}
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Wow! Not only did you attend TK's school, you graduated summa cum laude. When your logic fails, just call your opponent a liar.
  You have learned well grasshopper.
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  Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Around you? What about within your own country? Geez, clean up your own back yard first. You want to blame every other country for your own problems? You do realize that with your debt you are easily in the Third World Classification!
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  Ohmaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ditto Tantrum,
  You havent a clue what you are talking about so Shut up.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Very rude.
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  Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What's your problem? Not sure why I should shut up. That is rude!
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  hmmmmmmm
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Nobody should shut up.
  
  Being told to shut up, makes me talk more.
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  Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yep. I learned that at Hubpages.
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
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  Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not Mexican !
  And about my country, I'm totally against their economic policy.
  I'm entitled to laugh as much as I want !
  So why don't you shut up !
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  Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Tantrum I deleted my post as I was not referring to what you had said. Just put it in the wrong place.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I agree we need to pull back, great advice!
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with you! We should close our borders reel in our military to only protect us and stop government sponsored forgien aid. That way there would be no need to speak bad about the US. The world could handle their own issues then maybe, maybe they would realize we were a friend worth having. But once it's done it should stay done no pleading for help economically or militarily. We could afford health care for working Americans then.
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  leftofcentreposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  i think you'll find that the USA will be the ones looking for assistance. They have hardly any resouces left and are economically in so much debt that without other countries they would be in financial ruin. broke.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Don't count us out yet! We are so technologically advanced we could sell military services to the highest bidder. I think you'd be surprised how much we really do but I know it's chic to bash the US so have at it.
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  Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  "i think you'll find that the USA will be the ones looking for assistance. They have hardly any resouces left"
  
  If you were trying to make a statement that is ridiculously wrong, you really accomplished your goal.
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  Danny R Handposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with everything you just said, except ' you Americans are so dumb'. I happen to be one. And granted, we should mind to our own bussiness. But when we do, don't come pleading for us to take care of some crap that you might have gotten yourselves into. Our biggest downfall is our compassion for the rest of the worlds plights.
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  leftofcentreposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  USA only care about other countries when they can make a dollar out of it.
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  Danny R Handposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ever heard of the Marshal Plan? We even let that debt go unpaid. Didnt make any money off of that. Research who gives more than any other country for disaster relief. When someone needs help, America is first in line. You can deny it, but the fact remains.
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  Ohmaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  so true! Whenever something goes wrong blame the Americans. whenever you need something ask the Americans.
  Since when did it become our problem to care for the rest of the world?
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  tantrumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Since arm dealing.
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  leftofcentreposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  fancy supplying weapons to the country your fighting against.
  
  BUT it does make money
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  leftofcentreposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The government doesn't give the money, it loans it. With an interest rate. This is why they have been stalling the united nations about wiping the third world debt.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I agree thats how a lot of the world sees it. So we should just worry about our own problems. Now you can't come back later and say we don't care about the worlds problems then you wished us out. Oh yeah, take the UN while we're doing all this moving. We should also increase tariffs to protect our markets as well.
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  leftofcentreposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What markets?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Any that we have industries already in place for.
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  Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That wouldn't protect our markets, it would destroy them. The whole 'close the borders and turn around and ignore the world' thing is an emotional position and nothing more.
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  leftofcentreposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry Danny i was generalising. but i did meet many people who were switched on..
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Starting?
  
  The rest of the world has been against the U.S. for longer than I have been alive. They are simply getting better ideas and better ways to do what they can't do through war, they have found better tools. Money and greed being some of those new tools. (illegal drugs being an old one)
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TheGlassSpiderposted 14 years ago
No.

Good grief. Don't we have enough of our own problems without trying to take care of everyone else's?

Why did we fight so hard for our independence? Just so we could take it away from others?
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Ralph Deedsposted 14 years ago
We have enough trouble governing ourselves. Maybe we should allow Mexico to annex southern California and Texas and turn the Texas Rangers loose on the drug lords.
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  Danny R Handposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Make sure the annexed part includes George W.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Didn't he own the Texas Rangers? How does turning a baseball team loose on the Mexicans help things?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No, our secret police. You know the ones that killed all the indians and settled disputes with migrant farm workers.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  W owned them?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You would think but no they decided to protect Texas in the 1800's no matter what it took. They are still quite active and still help small communities with additional tools for law enforcement.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  We copied them here in Arizona.
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  cosetteposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  yippee kiyay!
  
  could you elaborate?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  We aren't too PC for the dirty jobs down here.
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  BDazzlerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Remember the Alamo?
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  Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  "and turn the Texas Rangers loose on the drug lords."
  
  Not sure how a baseball team would stop the drug lords.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Stop stealing my lines TK.
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  Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Imitation is the most sincere form of......
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Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years ago
You better lay off the cookies and brush up on your Spanish. Mexico is well on it's way to re-claiming the Southwest U.S.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I think they might want to leave Texas out of their sights there are a whole bunch of angry good ole boys down here and they're well armed.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, but they're too out of shape to fight. This ain't nintendo.
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  cosetteposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  ...one drophouse at a time...
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Randy Godwinposted 14 years ago
No problem, Sneako! Elect Palin and have her declare that Mexico has WMD's. It worked when you voted for Bush, didn't it? And how did that work out?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I don't think Palin has any more experience than Obama I didn't vote for him for that reason and I wouldn't vote for her for the same reason.
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  Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  But you did vote for Bush twice, right? So why should we respect your judgment on anything political, if you did?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I wouldn't Randy I'm a complete and total dumbass.
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  Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Now you are getting smart!
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Confession is good for the soul.
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Will Say Plentyposted 14 years ago
Here is a great idea. Anyone who wants to ignore the illegal alien problem we have in this country should do what my dad did. Go to Mexico with a volunteer group and try to help them make things better down there so they don't feel tempted to illegally enter THIS country. if things were better down there then they could wait and do things legally like past immigrants!
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Which is just another way of saying WE have to fix THEIR problems or they force themselves on us...
  
  Fix your own country.
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  cosetteposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  omg i think i love him!
  
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  <Blushing> ...really.... <----innocent look
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  Will Say Plentyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well, yeah, you can take that attitude and I personally agree with you HOWEVER for all the people HERE who are LEGAL citizens but still decide to defend illegal aliens then that is my suggestion. Sorry I was not clear.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thats a great Idea but the wealthy in Mexico are so corrupt you couldn't just leave them to it. I used to hunt in Mexico we could bring guns but no ammo. We brought plenty of ammo and we paid officials for that and to increase bag limits. Every aspect of their sociaty is corrupt in one form or another it's almost hopeless.
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  Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, our wealthy are good guys!
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Pull out your wallet with our police or wildlife officials and find out what would happen. I promise weapon charges and bribbery will cause you some problems.
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  Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Can you say the same for our politicians? And you missed one of my questions!
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  Will Say Plentyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Nah, hope springs eternal
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mikelongposted 14 years ago
Another garbage thread...good job sneak..
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  srwnsonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I agree. We are proud of our country, we have our faults just like everyone else.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry I'll close it.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I asked them to close it twice it's out of my hands.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Go with the self-personal attack. Make fun of your weight. Call yourself a douchebag. Then report it.
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  srwnsonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Don't worry about it dude...have another martini. It'll play itself out.
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IntimatEvolutionposted 14 years ago
The original poster is joking I hope. They are a sovereign government. Annexing them is not even a remote option.

Should we annex them, like we did the Native Americans? Absurd.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No, I assure you he isn't.
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IntimatEvolutionposted 14 years ago
Oh, that's great.

Another freedom fighter, looking to take away a whole country's worth of freedoms. Very American.
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  leftofcentreposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Its the American way.
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, you got that right. Kill'em, take them over, annex them- SCREW THEM ALL! It does sound so American.
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ok now wait a second, who is invading who? Don't they have 10 million+ people in our country illegally? Isn't that the definition of an invasion?
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  Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So open the border, and it won't be illegal. Desperate people do desperate things, like flea oppression for better lives. I think that's a human need.
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That only works if it goes both ways...as the man said annex Mexico?
  
  Otherwise we are right back to fixing someone else's country.
  
  When did it become my responsibility to fix Mexico's problems? I'm not Mexican.
  
  Fix your own country.
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  Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It's your responsibility to be a human being. But by the sound of this post it's not Mexico's problem, it's yours because it's you guys doing the complaining.
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
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  Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  "So open the border, and it won't be illegal. "
  
  Yeah, and if banks just left all their money out on the sidewalk for anyone to take there would be no more bank robberies. Brilliant logic.
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  Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Don't like the humanitarian model?
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If you are driven from your home by cockroaches, and decide to return when you feel safe, is that an invasion?
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If after being driven from my home I go to your home, break in, do whatever I want, steal whatever I want, use what I want and laugh at you while you complain...then that is an invasion.
  
  Whether it is the cockroaches fault or not.
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  Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You mean to say all Mexican's do that or are you generalizing?
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  Ohmaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Jewel come and live in my world for a month.
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  Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I lived there for 3 months a few years ago and two years before that.. Good and bad no matter where you live. But then I have the choice to move if I don't like where I am.
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  Ohmaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  we always have that choice but why would I choose to leave my home when it is the illegals that do not belong here?
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That's right! We murdered, raped and pillaged our way into this land -we earned it!
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  Ohmaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I did none of those things. I am staight up an citizen of the United States. You can try if you would like to hold me responsible for the the crime forced on the Indians, or for slavery or for the Holocaust since I am of German decent but I am guilty of none of these things.
  When speaking of the illegals coming across the Mexican border we are speaking of the people who actually committed these crimes not thier future generations.
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  well said.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Except that the word "crime" is being banded about here, how shall I put it, "imprecisely." Are we seriously going to say that the crimes of the Nazis, or of the genocidal actions committed against native Americans are the same sorts of "crimes" as people wading through filth in the middle of the night to get across a border? How about some historical perspective here.
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  Ohmaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You would have to speak to Ron about that as he is the one that brought the subject up
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No.......
  
  I was not the one who called the Mexicans criminals..
  
  Nice try though.
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  Ohmaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ohma wrote:
  we always have that choice but why would I choose to leave my home when it is the illegals that do not belong here?
  
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  That's right! We murdered, raped and pillaged our way into this land -we earned it!
  
  You are the one that brought up the past by implying that I should somehow be responsible for the actions of people that died long before I was born.
  And Illegals are criminals I am not the one that equated their crime to the crimes perpertrated against the Native Americans.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Nor am I. I believe there are courses available to help with reading comprehension difficulties.
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Q? is that you???
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  Ohmaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  My reading comprhension is just fine. However if you do not understand the words you write might I suggest a dictionary.
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  Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That's right Ron, see how she correctly spelled comprehension and you got it wrong! HAHAHA!
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  Ohmaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Now we must resort to ridiculing typos? Hmmm sad really.
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  Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, but it's more than sad when castigating those for not understanding your misspellings and grammar.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Intelligent comment. It's like a breath of fresh air.
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Feeling sorry for the criminal that has been forced to break the law not with standing they are still criminals.
  
  Felony or misdemeanor it is still breaking the law so the use of the word 'Criminal' applies.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  But the twinning of that type of crime with the other types mentioned, within the comment we are talking about, is not sensible
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You disagree with it...to you it is not a crime to break the immigration laws...that doesn't mean that your approval or dis-approval is what the concept is based on.
  
  A law broken is a crime...the person who breaks the law is a criminal.
  
  be that the stealing of a penny from your sister's piggy bank, or the murder of someone.
  
  What you should have said was Illegal Immigration isn't as terrible a crime as those other crimes, not that it wasn't a crime at all...because it is a crime. Hence the word Illegal at its begining.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  How do you know what I think about immigration laws?
  
  If you read my comments over the last few minutes you'd have to conclude that I in fact do not contend that breaking a law is not a crime.
  
  But what does it matter what (you think) I *should* have said? Clearly you understood exactly what I meant.
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm simply replying to what you posted here....you said several times that illegal immigration was not the same as the other crimes listed...
  
  You said it not me.
  
  In fact your exact words were:
  
  "Except that the word "crime" is being banded about here, how shall I put it, "imprecisely." Are we seriously going to say that the crimes of the Nazis, or of the genocidal actions committed against native Americans are the same sorts of "crimes" as people wading through filth in the middle of the night to get across a border? How about some historical perspective here."
  
  The same crime...no
  
  A Crime...YES.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It's not
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  Will Say Plentyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I think the word crime is being used differently in some of those examples, too.
  By the way, I am tired of Americans being apologetic for our ancestors being good at conquering others and/or good deal-makers. I wish I could have gotten My home for the price of Manhattan!
  Also, y'all shouldn't call people stupid or compare cleaning up Mexico to Iraq or Afghanistan. Does anyone really think mexico would be as much of a challenge? Please! We set up gun towers at the border and attack from the far border and get them as they run for OUR borders. Simple.
  Here's another idea, shouldn't y'all be writing hubs?
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, jackass, Mexico would be as bad as Iraq. You can't just walk into someone's home and tell them you're in charge without there being problems. Oh not to mention the fact that we share a border with Mexico so it'll be real easy to slip saboteurs across the border, unlike Afghani's and Iraqi's.
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  Will Say Plentyposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The name-calling isn't really impressive. I am not asking your opinion I am simply stating a fact. We are not at war with Mexico. If we were I would say our border would suddenly become a lot more secure.
  Again, name-calling hasn't worked on me since I was in junior high school. Go write a hub about this topic. Mind you, it might be a lot more challenging and you would not be able to call so many strangers names but it also would not let so many people show you resorting to name-calling either. THAT should be worth a LOT to you!
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  Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You've never broken the law, right? No speeding, drinking under age, smoking pot, cheating on taxes, etc.
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  Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Okay?
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  Ohmaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No I'm saying ALL illegals (criminals that have broken into my country, invaded my home)...
  
  Legal Immigrants, Mexican or from Mars, are welcome.
  
  Legal vs. Criminal that is my point.
  
  I say send the criminals back to where they came from and make them fix their own problems.
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  Jewelsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It's sad when we call desperate human beings criminals.
  
  If I smash your home I'm a criminal.
  
  I flee my country because drug lords are creating hell, I'm a criminal too.
  
  Something wrong with this picture.
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  Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  "It's sad when we call desperate human beings criminals."
  
  No, it's sad when desperation drives some to make the choice of becoming criminals.
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Why can't both be sad?
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  Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  "No I'm saying ALL illegals (criminals that have broken into my country, invaded my home)...
  
  Legal Immigrants, Mexican or from Mars, are welcome.
  
  Legal vs. Criminal that is my point.
  
  I say send the criminals back to where they came from and make them fix their own problems."
  
  Well said
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ok, you're confused. We'll drop the cockroaches for now.
  
  If you steal my home and I decide to move back in with you, and share my home rather than throw your ass out into the street, you should be thankful, not hateful. You committed the crime, I forgave you for it.
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  But they aren't in fact If I were them in this example, I would be throwing you out of your house, telling you to go fix my house, and while you're fixing my house I'll be having sex with your wife... now I'm not threatening violence mind you, I just hooked her on drugs and your kids too, so they will do what ever I say...or no more drugs...
  
  and then I'll just play the feel sorry for me card on anyone that isn't hooked on the drugs...
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  Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ah, religious, huh?
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Your scenario would have some truth if you had in fact gained your home through honest means. You did not. It was stolen, then you occupied it. I forgive you for that and will share with you what is rightfully mine.
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  since I'm a Cherokee, you're kinda barking up the wrong tree there... Cowboy.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Cherokees are allowed to occupy stolen property?
  
  Wow! You really are the civilized tribe.
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  My Gawd...you're crying like a little girl.
  
  The truth hurts...sorry about your luck dude.
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Bait and Switch attempt number 2.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You obviously don't understand the term young TK disciple. You baited, I simply didn't fall for it. Maybe you took the training wheels off the laptop before you were ready.
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  4th... this is getting kinda redundant...
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Then think up a new excuse for your failures.
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  Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  They have internet on the reservation?
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  Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Third Bait and Switch attempt.
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  Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  5th bait and switch!
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I call your bait and raise you a switch.
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  Randy Godwinposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, that is one definition. Another is attacking a country on false pretenses. Like America did with Iraq and its citizens.
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh goody, another George Custer fan.
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Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years ago
How very convient having little flags of our countries on our avatars would be right about now....
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srwnsonposted 14 years ago
How about the Saints winning the superbowl! We are so excited down here in New Orleans, First time in the franchise Mardi Gras' was terrific!
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  Ohmaposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Didn't watch it myself. Not much of a football fan.
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Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years ago
@ Sneako,

It is a good post, and a topic that needs discussion. I for one am glad you posted it.

The fact that it is an issue that is highly emotionally charged should not stop the posting of the issue.

I think you did well.
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Ohmaposted 14 years ago
I agree, Sneako this is a problem that is to often ignored.
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