How do you feel about mandatory vaccines? No US federal laws mandate vaccinatio

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   tsadjatkoposted 10 years ago

   How do you feel about mandatory vaccines?  No US federal laws mandate vaccination, should they?
   
   The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) recommends getting 28 doses of 10 vaccines for kids aged 0 to six. No US federal laws mandate vaccination, but all 50 states require certain vaccinations for children entering public schools. Most states offer medical and religious exemptions; some states allow philosophical exemptions. Proponents contend adverse reactions to vaccines are extremely rare. Opponents say that children’s immune systems can deal with most infections naturally, & that injecting questionable vaccine ingredients may cause side effects, including seizures, paralysis, and death.
   
   

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   ChristinSposted 10 years ago

   Whatever one's thoughts on the subject, a government that can force its citizens to inject something into their body against their objections is a slippery slope I am not comfortable with. 
   
   This whole thing has come about because of few cases of measles in a population of hundreds of millions.  Fear is the  number one tool used to get people to willfully give up their freedoms.
   
   There are television shows - an episode of the Flintstones, the brady bunch and others circulating (pre measles vaccine days) where it shows measles not being a big deal.  In fact the kids were joking that if they had to be sick and home from school with something measles was the thing to have - a fever and a rash. 
   
   Have people died from measles? sure - people die every day from a lot of things.  Is the fear of a disease worth the price of giving a government authority over our body and what we choose to put in it?  I certainly think not. 
   
   When propaganda gets blown this out of proportion one must stop and think - who is benefiting from the campaign of fear?  Whose pockets are being lined? Whose getting power and control? and then do some research and judge accordingly.

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      Lady Guinevereposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I agree with you.  It also would be that the only ones that get that and spread it would only be the ones who are not immunized, not the ones that have been.  Who got it first is the ? and where id they get it from?

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      tsadjatkoposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      LG you lost me already,so which side are you on?Sounds like both. Christin,you are right. propaganda.Whose doing it? the left trying to paint RepublicanPres.candidates as not caring about the public's children.It's the left who wants it mandatory

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      Lady Guinevereposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      tsa I agree that it is all hype and propaganda.  I do not know how I confused and and it doesn't matter.

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      ChristinSposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I don't think it's just the left tsad - the whole system is corrupt and it does no good to blame this side or that. the whole thing needs an overhaul.

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      tsadjatkoposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      My comment had nothing to do with "the system"I'm saying the left,the left wing media&political left is propagandizing the measles outbreak into a vaccine debate to try to taint republicans as uncaring, just as they do with guns,thewaron womenetc

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      ChristinSposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Big pharma owns both parties as do most special interest groups whose sole interest is to line their pockets. That's not a "liberal" agenda tsad, it's how it is on both sides. Both sides also demonize each other to suit their own ends.

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      tsadjatkoposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      The system isn't corrupt,the people elected corrupt it.So you think big pharma is propagandizing the vaccine issue?If they own both sides why do they have to pit left against right?makes no sense.Purely a left ploy for more gov't power over us.

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      ChristinSposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      absolutely I think big pharma is using this to its own advantage - pitting people against each other, there are politicians on both sides pushing for mandatory vaccination - a slippery slope when govt dictates what we have to do, no matter which side

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      tsadjatkoposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks for your point of view Christin so clearly expressed.Still if both sides are pushing for it why is the media and the left trying to paint republicans as neanderthals on this even though Obama&Hillary were against it just a few years ago?

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       ChristinSposted 10 years agoin reply to this

       I hear you Tsad, there's plenty of blame to go around, I'm just saying let's not make it political, because there are those of us on both sides who are equally concerned about govt. control of our bodies. peace.

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   Old Poolmanposted 10 years ago

   For most people common sense dictates that immunizations for children are a good idea.  However, for those that don't agree, no government agency should be allowed to make this mandatory.
   A classroom full of children is a Petri-dish full of germs anyhow just from colds and flu.
   But then I guess school systems are a form of government so they are dictating to the parents regarding immunizations.
   As a parent, does one have the right to inquire if their children's playmates have had their shots?  I guess they could inquire but not demand proof.
   Perhaps we should all just live in bubbles and avoid contact with other humans whenever possible.

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      tsadjatkoposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Hey, Mike, the bubble isgreat.We could totally eliminate public schools&put curriculums on the internet.Children wouldn't have to leave home,think of the money the gov't would save=lower taxes. Graduates could work from home, less demand for gas.

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      fpherj48posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      If the Educational System in our country doesn't get it's act together, totally eliminating public schools won't hurt a bit.  But that's another thread altogether.....common core anyone?

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      tsadjatkoposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Don't you feel that the government, the education system, virtually anything in control of the government has gotten way out of hand and is no longer just serving the people but the people are serving it, fines for no healthcare, regulation,etc.

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      fpherj48posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, of course I do/have for some time. IMHO Gov't should be reduced to HALF the size and HALF the power.  Any suggestions or solutions? I'm all eyes & ears, tsad,.ANYbody doing anything about this besides bitching? I'm 1 old lady/no$/no power. &

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      tsadjatkoposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Well, yeah, not much this old man can do either but vote for those who say they want to shrink government and not leave our children to foot the bill, then pray they do what they say they will do.

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      fpherj48posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Not enough humans to say enough prayers to see a Politician tell the truth or stand behind his promises. C'mon T...how many more years as an adult voter do you need to know this without doubt?? Politician =LIAR

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      tsadjatkoposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Ok Liar, you hit my hot button, see what you just instigated me to do http://dianetrotter.hubpages.com/questi … swer776865

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      fpherj48posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      You can thank me for instigating you to write that fabulous comment, a bit later...or send me a prize or something....preferably cash.  The word is not "instigate," it's INSPIRE...and yes, I am an inspiring individual.  Thank you, T.

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      tsadjatkoposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      That you are! And a good English teacher too. Sprichst du deutsch?
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6fhBNZi34U

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       fpherj48posted 10 years agoin reply to this

       That clip is hilarious!!!   But why is the woman not blonde??   Soooo funny.

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   A Little TRUTHposted 10 years ago

   I'd be happy to take all the vaccines they want me to if someone could show me where in the Constitution it says that either the States or the federal government has been granted the power to mandate vaccines or anything close.

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      tsadjatkoposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Compulsory vaccine laws have strong support in the state&federal courts for over a century.SupremeCt found constitutionality of a statute authorizing a municipal board of health to require enforce vaccination a valid exercise of thestate’spower.

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      A Little TRUTHposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      On what grounds do they say it's constitutional?

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      tsadjatkoposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      What do I look like, a law clerk? ;-) Google it, maybe it will give you the grounds, kind of useless picking apart a Supreme court ruling at this point.

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      A Little TRUTHposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I thought you might just know it.  But I’ll stick to my original point, which is that the Constitution does not grant the power, and so there should be no law mandating vaccines - regardless of how the Supreme Court twists and contorts it.

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      fpherj48posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Now that you ask tsad, your profile pic DOES look like most law clerks I know.....tough outer shell and slow as hell.

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      tsadjatkoposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      LMAO, Paula, now that does explain it, doesn't it. A little truth did however lead me to think about the constitution&the power of  judicial review. He has a point! which lead to my Q&A does-the-supreme-court-have-the-power-of-judicial-review

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   Rochelle Frankposted 10 years ago

   I grew up in the pre-immunization era. Had measles and chicken pox-- no big deal for me. I think everyone was a little afraid of Polio-- and we did take the sugar cube, when that first came out.
   I'm queasy about enforced innoculation. Seems like it could make our immune systems weaker.
   It is a questionable practice, but "mandatory" is a red flag.

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      ChristinSposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I completely agree, I am not against all vaccines, but as a country we vaccinate our kids far more than other countries do, why? I'm with you "Mandatory" over anything about our own bodies is a scary place to go.

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      Lady Guinevereposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I do agree with that. We make our immune system weaker everyday with the anti-bacterial craze and how well we clean our surroundings and ourselves. Antibiotics are not working as well and maiking them stronger is killing our immunity.

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   fpherj48posted 10 years ago

   Tsad.....I have no feelings on this topic, but this is what I think, using the brain God gave me.  Whether it's Federally mandated or State, in the particular case of "vaccinations," it should be clear these mandates were established for  1.) The uninformed parent. 2.) The rebellious parent who simply likes to thumb their noses at any & all authority. 3.) the Mentally ill parents who might just cling to the belief that ALL manner of disease & injury can be PRAYED AWAY. 4.) The generic unconcerned, lazy, and/or neglectful parent who should have had a vaccine to prevent pregnancy in the first place.
   (If any of these 4 categories hits home with anyone.....so be it.  Save yourself the embarrassment of calling me out.  In other words, don't publicize your  ignorance.....or go ahead, it's your claim to fame, not mine.)
   While there may be rare cases that can justify refusing vaccines...they are just that, VERY rare.  Should every single child be denied vaccines by their parents, going to school will be their last concern.  Most of their time and money will be sucked up with Doctors, hospitals, medicine (which is probably more lethal than the vaccine could be)  But, you go right ahead and exert your "right" to Lord over every aspect of your child's life......or death. It really only requires common sense.
   Shall we go back to the good old days of epidemics?  Sounds like a whole bunch of fun to me.  To the "Opponents"...can you direct me to the factual data that explains why the IMMUNE SYSTEMS of children of yesterday, didn't protect them?  Or, possibly just explain to me how you are 100% certain ALL children have perfectly healthy and 100% functional immune systems?  I'll accept either.
   RESEARCH, until you are exhausted, if you have doubts.  LEARN what the "questionable ingredients," in vaccines are.  Dig for answers, case histories, and consider your CHILD.....NOT your "feelings."  Unless of course your children aren't worth the trouble to you.
   This is what I think Tsad.  Next question?

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      tsadjatkoposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I'm wondering,did I write that?Cause I very well could have.Well said,but I do have a question.Though rare there can be side effects.If vaccines are mandated don't you think it only fair expense caused by side effects be paid for by the gov't?

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      fpherj48posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      In the end..it IS up to the parent. I did not come at this from a Political stance, nor do I feel it necessary. There are "side effects" to nearly everything we ingest, including FOODS. There R also degrees of side effects.  Question is too general.

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      tsadjatkoposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      To the contrary it is very specific.If the gov't mandates your child risk life&limb for public safety, shouldn't it, in interest of a child's safety, provide for some sort of compensation for the risk you are forced to take?Child dies,tough luck?

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      fpherj48posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Specific to YOU!  I'm the receiver of the question and I SAY it was too general.U want an ans.or just an argument? Give me stats over 20 yrs of children who DIED due to a vaccine in the U.S. If there's one, I say,"Yes," sue the Gov't!  feel better?

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      tsadjatkoposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      So your child suffers adverse reactions due to gv't mandate that is known will cause adverse reactions,though extremely rare&on top of suffering a loss,monetary or physical you have to get a lawyer to sue?If so rare gv't should compensate bylaw.

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      fpherj48posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      U asked a question. I gave my best ans. I'm not a genius w/ all the answers. this is why I have friends like you. MORE people should sue the gov't for a LOT of things. They need to back off and down.  How is that accomplished my FRIEND?

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      ChristinSposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      vaccine makers are protected from lawsuits thought this might interest you both: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co … 06008.html

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      tsadjatkoposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks Christin,u'r comment led me to do a searchTheVICPlaw uses a nofault system vaccine claims.Covers medical&legal expenses, loss of future earning capacity,up to $250,000 for pain and suffering; a death benefit of up to $250,000I didn't know

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      fpherj48posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, thank you Christin.The parents sued the Pharm Co.-who only make the vaccine available. The Gov't mandates to FORCE parents to have their children immunized. I said, sue the Gov't U found that Pharms Do pay out in some cases, tsad?Im confused

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   RTalloniposted 10 years ago

   A very useful commentary on the topic can be found at
   
   http://www.nvic.org/barbaraspeaksout.aspx
   
   This should be heard by everyone, and anyone who can support the NVIC's efforts should do so.
   
   I've found it amazing that no one seems to be linking the so-called outbreak of measles to our open borders, but are blaming unvaccinated families.
   
   On vaccination issues, there are a lot of unanswered questions and parents frightened by professionals and politicians have a chance to examine the concerns more closely via the NVIC.

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      fpherj48posted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Thank you!!  Excellent info.  Barbara makes a LOT of sense and has certainly earned her title as top ranking non-medical expert on the topic of vaccines. This is must-read stuff for every parent & I sent the link out to my sons & their wives!

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      RTalloniposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      It would be interesting to know the country of origin of all the children who have come down with the measles, how they were treated, the duration and severity of the disease, and what docs are saying about how immune they are from the disease now.

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   lone77starposted 10 years ago

   No. If you want your child protected, then feed them healthy food, instead of the poisonous junk being packaged these days.
   
   Even crops are becoming junk through genetic modification. After the Serelini study showed that Monsanto GMO corn can cause severe cancers in 30% of their test animals, I don't want to have anything to do with any GMO crop. The government and industry resist GMO labeling. They now have laws protecting GMO companies and vaccine companies from lawsuits.
   
   But I didn't know until recently that vaccines have many poisonous substances in them, including mercury (thimerosal), aluminum, MSG and formaldehyde.
   
   These substances adversely affect the body's health, especially our neurological health. It should not be surprising that autism and other neurological disorders are skyrocketing in America. "Better diagnosis," say the "protectors" of vaccines. Ask any teacher who has been around for more than 3 decades and they're likely to laugh in your face with that line. Americans are being dumbed down. The government has done far worse.
   
   Too many American people today think "conspiracy" is something that never happens. What a pleasant delusion.

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      tsadjatkoposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      This scary http://www.naturalnews.com/037653_vacci … ehyde.html but vaccines don’t cause autism http://www.autismspeaks.org/science/sci … and-autism

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   Sherry Thornburgposted 10 years ago

   I'm not for manditory vaccinations, but I'm for vaccinating kids. 
   
   This was never a question until a rise in cases of autism where parents saw their healthy normal children suddenly become profoundly autistic after they were given a combination vaccination.  I remember because my son was school age at the time.  He didn't have any reaction to his shots, but those rare cases were pretty severe.  It scared a lot of parents out of vaccinating their kids.  That was the MMR vaccine which is a multi vaccine in one shot. 
   
   I don't know if they changed the vaccination after that.  I do know parents were given the option of their children receiving that particular combination separately instead of as an all in one shot after the problems were reported. 
   
   I questioned the need for a chicken pox shot when it was mandated as that is a very mild infection that will keep you from getting small pox, but after studying, I found that when kids get it, its mild, but when an adult gets it, it's horrible and very painful.  As the kids never caught it as children, I agreed to have them immunized.
   
   If I had small children now, I'd still give them vaccinations, but I would insist that the MMR be given as separte shots. I wouldn't agree to the all in one.

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