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   BRIAN SLATERposted 13 years ago

   Is having to see a cognitive therapist the beginning or the end?

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      NewYorkerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Depends on the therapist

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         TheGlassSpiderposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         AND the client.

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      Ashmiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Unless you explain what you mean by the beginning or the end, it is neither.......I'm guessing you mean the end of depression? Well, that's not necessarily so.
      
      Depression is an emotional state which few know how to deal with. If one is suffering from it, it may help to see someone who may have a keener understanding. In that sense, it could be the beginning of the end of pain.

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      caryandersonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Cognitive Therapists are there to help us understand the function of our brains, to help us figure out what things that we can do to minimize our bodies reaction to situations, so that we can live a fuller life. We may have an imbalance of chemicals and we react to situations differently than others. It's how you look at the sitution and what you get out of it. I can only tell you that it helps me.

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      kimberlyslyricsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      In my opinion it is the process.  Nice to meet you.

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      romper20posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Brian,
      
      Take some time to cherish the fact that you have an outlet that you can speak to and get some feedback. Usually they know what they are talking about, and if you work with them you actually find out more about yourself. Take this time to embrace life and throw whats being tossed at you away. I have suffered for years from depression, and anxiety... The biggest help is my therapist and exercise. Follow your life path, don't let it lead you.
      
      RomperHubber

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      nikki1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      In my opinion.. its about facing your worst feelings/thoughts with a trusted friend or family,. The pain you feel about the situation. Sometimes rx may be in order depending on the situation and the love of your family,. Just talking to someone about your issues and doing damage control with friends, etc can help.

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   Pearldiverposted 13 years ago

   Do you mean... the end of the therapist?
   
   Depression certainly can be a maddening thing

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   Rod Marsdenposted 13 years ago

   To answer the initial question it also depends on your attitude to therapy. The GlassSpider is right on the button.
   
   Depression happens to be the most treatable of mental difficulties. Someone experiencing depression should be told this and reminded of this. Depression is treatable.
   
   To get over depression I set goals for myself. I think doing so is useful as a way forward out of feeling hopeless and helpless. It is the feeling of hopelessness and helplessness that gets to you. I find I can argue with myself against that if there is some forward momentum in my life no matter how small. Onward and upward.   
   
   Asking for help can be considered the fist step in moving forward so again seeking therapy cannot be seen as the end but as someone with a problem moving forward out of a problem. My thoughts at any rate.

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   goldenpathposted 13 years ago

   It's all very depressing....

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   kimberlyslyricsposted 13 years ago

   cognitive therapy can be very productive and with time, life changing, and only enhance your coping behaviors and thinking strategies.  I was in CBT and DBT for 4 years and it really made a difference, but like all change, it takes time, good luck to you.

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      Fluffymetalposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      a cognitive therapist may suggest a personality disorder like me

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         Fluffymetalposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         O, I also suffer from almost everything else ESPECIALLY depression

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      ceciliabeltranposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      i find in many cases, cognitive therapy just makes a person think about a problem. sometimes all one needs is a life coach. when the positive experience happens in the present, the pain the past is released.  mindfulness, meaning who you are now and who you will decide to be is sometimes a better outlook than what happened to you and what you were.

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         kimberlyslyricsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         well put cecil
         
         basically it's like re parenting in a way that offers new options of thinking, therefore decision making and again, healthier coping behaviors.  I am a Borderline with bi polar.  I found CBT less effective that DBT, but who knows each day certainly brings me lots of more challenges

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            ceciliabeltranposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            well, just see those labels are just a way for you to feel you're not alone. but the labels sometimes make you locked in that concept of self.
            I had a session with a bipolar once, thing is, she had two realities. the mommy induced reality and the one she is subconsciously trying to assert into being..but she loves her mommy so she cannot entertain the thought that her nice doting mom messed with her concept of self.
            i find it very common in bipolars,
            
            bipolars have a mixed up inner compass. so what i do is, i asked them to draw the hole, where is it. and they usually draw it somewhere in the chest and upper abdomen area.
            
            in yoga that's the heart chakra and the solar plexus. so without much chitchat, i suggest heart chakra yoga exercises and a lot of warrior poses.
            
            then there is also META meditation.  where you put yourself in meditation and put your face inside that imaginary hole, the face of the people you love, the people you hate, people you're nuetral to, your community your country, the world and you wish them well. it works for a week or day depending on the kind of environment you have.
            
            but those are just some alternative ways to deal with the extremes without having somebody dig dig dig dig your past and your thoughts...its so intrusive.

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               kimberlyslyricsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               cool alternatives, I am being treated once again with electric shock therapy - bi lateral-consecutive aggressive set of 17, less than last time.  Major side effect-complete memory loss of year leading up to treatment and complete memory loss unknown for how long until symtoms begin.. I have lost 8 years of memory but nothing else works except this and a ton of medication for years now.  I wish your suggestion could work, I do, but sometimes mental illness is chronic not acute
               
               I want my mind to stop talking too
               
               cheers

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                  figmentposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  i feel ya

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                     nikki1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     In order for your mind to stop talking you need to start..
                     with your family, etc.. and create better scenes. If you
                     like meditation or yoga.. they rock with some classic
                     instrumental music to set the mood..

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                  ceciliabeltranposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  mental illness is a label.
                  
                  It is only chronic because the source of the discomfort is undetermined. determining the cause does not mean digging some more, that will deepen the confusion.
                  
                  create something, anything and look at it, the source is there.

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         BRIAN SLATERposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         are you sure your not a cognitive therapist in disguise?

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   H.C Porterposted 13 years ago

   depends on what you want it to be-and how open you are to it

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      Fluffymetalposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      H.C. is right

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   ceciliabeltranposted 13 years ago

   gosh, i wish my mind would stop talking, i want to sleep!!!!

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   BRIAN SLATERposted 13 years ago

   thankyou everyone for sharing your thoughts with me, I'm split on which way I should be thinking, everyone says it will help to talk things over with my cbt , on the other hand It hurts me to keep going over it over and over again.

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      Justine76posted 13 years agoin reply to this

        I hope you find a good solution. I do think tlakginto somebody can help, but I also see how over and over can be hard.

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      raisingmeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Ask yourself - When was the last time I felt good?  When you find it ask yourself What game was I playing?  When you find the game and can name it ask yourself What mood level was I playing it in?  Find the positive mood level then ask yourself What happened?  Find the item and then ask yourself What mood level did I go into?  Get the mood and then ask yourself - From where can I experience blah, blah mood until it starts to lift and your mood level starts to come up.  Then ask yourself From where can I create blah, blah mood.  And keep asking until your mood level starts to come up.  Then take the mood level that you identified that you had before your setup got upset and then run the same Experience/Create.  Depression comes about as a result of loss of game or end of game.
      
      If you need help with this - email me.

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      nikki1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      What is cbt?

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      nikki1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Is there anything you can do to correct the situation? If you have already discussed the matter before, what was the results?
      Can you move on? Get your mind on other matters?

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   donotfearposted 13 years ago

   I would say that choosing to see a cognitive therapist is a beginning.
   
   Group therapy is also beneficial, healing. I go once a week. It's wonderful to have a support group who will listen objectively and without bias.  Heck, some of my Hubs are inspired by what I get out of it.
   
   Good luck to you!

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    Rafiniposted 13 years ago

    a cbt must be a cognitive behavior therapist...is that the same kind of therapist that would take a client centered approach?  If so - you are more in control of your therapy than you're thinking. 
    
    My therapist asked me what I wanted to accomplish out of therapy and then sat and set goals with me.  I believe it was once a year, maybe once every 6 months...can't remember, I haven't seen a therapist in over 3 years.
    
    I realize I'll suffer from a mild depression for the rest of my life, but I'm not going to allow it to keep me from being happy - after all, happiness is a state of mind that comes and goes.  I've decided Depression will only serve to make my life more challenging than it should be and I can deal with that.

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       nikki1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Well everyone has challenging days/nights. However its how you choice to react to a given situation. You also must take take into consideration we are human we make mistakes and the best way to correct the mistake is to laugh at ourselves and say "opps"
       or do damage control. Moving on from a bad experience or a bad day
       also helps. realizing the day will come to pass. Life is way to sweet and short to dwell. The world is beautiful and smells all so nice when we stop and realize challenges aren't that big of a deal
       when you have a beautiful scenery in front of you so to speak.
       A beautiful day meaning. Or a beautiful evening with the stars,.
       Smiles to all ,

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          Rafiniposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Um, I'm not talking about a silly mistake or a day / night of challenge.  I'm talking about depressive symptoms that linger for weeks at a time - and these depressive symptoms will make my life more challenging but I will not allow it to keep me from being happy.

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             ceciliabeltranposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             when you're depressed, your body slows down. why? because the body is telling you to stop moving. why? because you don't know what to do. the persistent urge to end life is a symbolic feeling of ending a life you never wanted.
             
             In yoga 30 minutes a day of savasana is recommended for someone experiencing depression. that's 30 minutes a day of CORPSE POSE.
             30 minutes mimicking death in order for your body to learn how to let things go.
             
             Forgive the day that passed. forgive yourself. forgive the people in your life. forgive your life. let it go. That is what savasana means.
             
             In savasana, your body becomes absolutely still it feels like it died and with your body signals not interfering, your mind will go back to its point of origin, the source of everything that defines your actions. and you will become aware what to do next.

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             nikki1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

             Well possible talking to your family about these issues. Something happened in your child or higher?  Talking about issues gets it out in the open where solutions or you can find some kind of closer to a bad situation/. Thinking of a beautiful scenery is always suggested and the video "What a wonderful world" on your tube
             Louie Armstrong. LOVE IT! Smiles to all

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    Jewelsposted 13 years ago

    Brian, it's one way of approaching depression but not the only one.

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    ceciliabeltranposted 13 years ago

    positive thinking is like asking a crippled man to try to walk.
    
    the legs have forgotten how to do it.

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       nikki1posted 13 years agoin reply to this

       That is where your family and inspiring books and the google research comes in. Here are a few..
       Be good to your
       You are worth it
       Have a great day
       Never have an ordinary day
       Make a list of hobbies you like and do them.
       Go for a walk, breathe in and out.
       If you believe in God, pray for your pain.
       Talk to your loved ones about your pain/suffering.
       I also have faith in you. You deserve to be happy
       Picture a beautiful day with the sun is shining, a few
       clouds in the air, birds singing,.. also put inspiring
       pictures on your google research see what pops up.
       Or a beautiful day pictures. Have fun

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    BRIAN SLATERposted 13 years ago

    Thankyou for all the responses, CBT , Cognitive Behavioural Therapist for them that didn't know. The way I see things is that I need to get somewhere, be somewhere other than my present place.If I knew where that place was I'd jump in the car and go there myself, except that I dont know where i want to be. Have you ever become disorientated on the underground system and don't know whether to go up or down the escalator, or to take the train west bound or east bound? This is my position but I don't know my destination and have no ticket to travel. No wonder I have become unhappy, you can't look on the bright side of anything because what you took for certainties no longer apply.

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       ceciliabeltranposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       My dear, you have found the ends of the universe.
       
       You are on a mystical path. We call it Spiritual Depression, all who are called to transcend the mundane experience it. 
       
       I always say the thing that you find you lack the most that it is unbearable, is that very thing that you must give. You must generate it through action so that it will grow into awakening inside.
       
       Look at your hole. Really familiarize yourself with it. What makes you sad? What triggers the sadness. You'll find your happiness there too.
       
       example. A child feels sad everytime he sees a playground. he remembered that he was abused physically in a playground. So he created a safe playground for abused children where these children can be free to play in peace.

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       ceciliabeltranposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       If you search for certainty, that that is what you must offer. that is what you must understand...
       
       what is certainty? understand it.

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    kimberlyslyricsposted 13 years ago

    JUST STOP IT
    
    THIS IS IGNORANT OR ABSURD OR I AM REALLY WRONG AND SOME OF YOU HAVE GREAT DOPE
    
    GET REAL

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       ceciliabeltranposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       yeah, i can imagine this is all so ignorant for you. My sister is manic depressive and we have many long talks about it and she hates it when people say think positive, do this, do that.
       
       well... what can we do right? we have no idea what its like other than from what you say. and you never ever say how really painful it is because most times, when you can say it you don't want to remember it.
       
       there really are spiritual depressions though, which means it has no source that can be fixed but it is more like a gaping hole that can only be filled by great deeds. but sometimes that won't even stop the pain, it will just help you focus on being productive instead of thinking of the pain.

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       Fluffymetalposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       AMEN!! Speaking of dope, I'm about to roll a spliff and go to bed.

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          kimberlyslyricsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          
          

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       selrachposted 13 years agoin reply to this

       Agree kim
       
       If you haven,t walked the walk, don,t talk the talk.

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          ceciliabeltranposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          ever said that to a cognitive therapist?

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             selrachposted 13 years agoin reply to this

             I wouldn,t have to, a cognitive therapist would be professionaly trained and not an amatuer psychologist.
             
             Before you jump in Cecilia I was not refering to you personally, as I have read you on hub pages and also on your website

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          kimberlyslyricsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          

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    nikki1posted 13 years ago

    I have faith you will kick the dope habit. Your life is more important than that. Bond with your family and friends. Seek help.
    Smiles to all.

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    nikki1posted 13 years ago

    You are all special people. I care. Have a great day to all.
    

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    nikki1posted 13 years ago

    Suggestion:
    Key in inspiring music on the browser on Youtube.. Or yoga/
    meditation.. on the browser on Youtube..
    Smiles to all.

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    nikki1posted 13 years ago

    Also.. consider this..
    
    For Those Suffering from Mental Illness.
    O HEAVENLY Father, I beseech you to have mercy upon all your children who are living with mental illnesses, [and especially your servant N.]. Restore them to strength of mind and cheerfulness of spirit, and give them health and peace; and if, because of their clouded minds, they are unable to pray for forgiveness of their sins, I pray that you will keep their souls pure and blameless, through the miraculous love of Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.
    
    We are root'n for you. Please bond with your family and family Dr.
    Never give up. Never have an ordinary dae..

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    probafixposted 13 years ago

    Persistent aches, pains or digestive problems that are resistant to treatment

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