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  1. gmwilliams profile image84
    gmwilliamsposted 11 years ago

    According to the Huffington Post dated October 5, 2012,  Republican State Representative Jon Hubbard from Arkansas in his new book, LETTERS TO THE EDITOR, CONFESSIONS OF A FRUSTRATED CONSERVATIVE  is of the opinion that slavery actually "benefitted" Blacks and was a "blessing in disguise" as they would have endured more horrendous conditions in Africa.   This "representative" further elucidated that  Blacks who endured such conditions were finally "blessed",  being "awarded" citizenship in the United States. 

    Mr.  Hubbard then asserted that racial intergration was the worst thing that could have occurred in the educational system.   He portended that the current level of education has totally "disintergrated" because Blacks are now attending white schools thus they are  "lowering"  the overalll educational atmosphere as they are "undisciplined" and "unambitious.".     He  added that the continuing influx of immigrant would ultimately lead to a war of extermination reminiscent of Nazi Germany!     

    When I read this man's diatribe,  I was totally incensed and nonplussed!    Let's DISCUSS this!

    1. Credence2 profile image78
      Credence2posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      not that much different than Ann Coulter who promotes the same kind of thinking but is front and center among political pundits where she can turn bull **** into Chanel No. 5 as easily as the alchemist turns lead into gold.........
      This guy wont get a lot of airtime, because he does not package well, it is those that do package well and who are also smooth and urbane that get my goat. Much like Romney, a man that adheres to a faith that 35 years ago relegated Blacks to a second heaven, I guess we were to shine shoes but in the angelic world it probably meant being condemned to eternally giving pedicures? Well he has the Brook Brothers suits, and Gucci shoes and is playing middle of the road, but can you believe it?

    2. MG Singh profile image80
      MG Singhposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Well blacks if they had remained in Africa, they would have been worse off as they would have been enslaved by the Arabs and Moslems, which was 20 times worse than slavery in America.
      This is a fact, but we can ignore men like Hubbard

    3. profile image0
      Justsilvieposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      The crazies are always speak louder than the average normal person. Face it some Americans of all races never bother to really arm themselves with real facts so when people like Hubbard speak, they think it is to them, and they believe what they hear, never bothering to check further.

      However the sane people will distance themselves from people like Hubbard and denounce his idiocy like the people on this thread and I know that will be the majority.

      But we should be glad people like him make some noise, because then we know where we stand and who to watch out for.

      1. gmwilliams profile image84
        gmwilliamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this

        One must ever be so vigilant against all types of racism, particularly racist extremism!

  2. Patty Inglish, MS profile image90
    Patty Inglish, MSposted 11 years ago

    The thoughts of Hubbard remind me of the misapplication of statistics' Bell Curve in the book by the same name (pub. 1994); and of the mistranslations in the KJV used by whites to justify slavery, as explained by Reverend Frederick K.C.Price in his teaching series on the subject, first presented in the late 1980s on national TV.

    The APA's view of "The Bell Curve" and IQ/Intelligence:  "There is certainly no such support for a genetic interpretation... . It is sometimes suggested that the Black/White differential in psychometric intelligence is partly due to genetic differences (Jensen, 1972). There is not much direct evidence on this point, but what little there is fails to support the genetic hypothesis."

    All the same, I think that some Americans unfortunately will side with Hubbard. Racial prejudices have not been eliminated entirely in the US. Another example is that in my large Midwestern city, some people still denigrate the Irish as well. Also unfortunately, some of my own Native American ancestors owned Black slaves and I will always be appalled at this fact.

    What shall we do about Hubbard?

    1. gmwilliams profile image84
      gmwilliamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Reeducate the man and bring him to the 21st century idea that there is only one race- THE HUMAN RACE and skin color is just a construct, no more, no less!

      1. S Leretseh profile image60
        S Leretsehposted 11 years agoin reply to this

        "THE HUMAN RACE and skin color is just a construct, no more, no less!"

        Writing something that sounds good is EASY.

        A leopard and a lion and Siamese cat are ALL part of the cat family. However, their innate behavioral characteristics are demonstrably different. Neither of these breeds of cat are capable of living  harmoniously with the other.

        Siberian Husky and the african wild dog...part of the dog family, yet neither would be capable of living in the environment of the other.

        The polar bear and the black bear.  Neither can live in the environment of the other.

        Among the human race are many different races. Prior to 1960, all races lived separately from each other thru out human history.  Race is part of  - undeniable to me anyways - a grouping characteristic among humans.  Is it right to legislate that into a wrong?  Is it the purpose of the legislative system? Integration still has not passed the test of time.   

        Racial integration (race-nullification) - seemingly only capable of existence where legislative laws command its existence - is basically a construct of only western civilization countries.  I find that very curious.

        1. dianetrotter profile image63
          dianetrotterposted 11 years agoin reply to this

          So what do you think races should do?

          1. gmwilliams profile image84
            gmwilliamsposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Skin color and the issue of so-called "race" is an artificial construct.    Humankind is humankind and WE ALL ARE ONE!   When will humankind evolve to the level where race will be totally inconsequential?

            1. dianetrotter profile image63
              dianetrotterposted 11 years agoin reply to this

              How do you suggest we get there?

            2. Seth Winter profile image69
              Seth Winterposted 11 years agoin reply to this

              Gm I agree. Skin color is stupid. Human kind is not.

              How do we get their DianeTrotter? If I were King of American I'd start by doing away with Reverse Racism, which is just another form of racism. Or at the very least I'd label racist organizations for what they were....the NAACP would disappear. Affirmative Action Gone. Native American's woud lose their ability to build Casinos and get gov. aid.  Basically do away with anything that favors one race over another.

              I'd watch the various racist organizations any time they stepped over the law and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law when they break it (KKK, Black Panthers, etc).  I'd start by making obvious hate crimes an example of, and not creating a witch hunt for ones that are blurry. For companies that are clear and open about not showing any racial favoritism I'd give a minor tax break to whereas businesses that show they would rather hire just one race...well they can pay higher taxes for their opinions.

              I'd go through our education system and replace it with Revisionists History Books.  I think taking out gangs in major cities would be a good step in fixing gangs means less of a need to put bars on windows at schools and then maybe they could focus on education...I could go on...

              1. dianetrotter profile image63
                dianetrotterposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                You make a lot of good points; however, the tax break goody would start a whole new round of controversy.  The "reverse racism" is as much a culprit as "racism."   

                I worked with a man who was mad because his daughter couldn't graduate from college.  The daughter told him that it was because they let minorities register first and she couldn't get the class she needed to graduate.  At that time we had a CPA intern who had just graduated from the same school.  He was white also.  He said what the man's daughter said was not true.  He explained the schedule of registration.  The father got upset and said, "Well that's what my daughter told me."  People don't take responsibility for their personal failures and like to blame other people.  I constantly talk to my multi-ethnic classes about taking responsibility for their education and not being willing victims.

                1. Seth Winter profile image69
                  Seth Winterposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                  Sounds like your a good teacher. Not many preach about taking responsibilities for their own actions....or at least it seems that way.  I realize the tax break goody would create alot of controversy but I can't really see a way around it.  Companies would need to somehow be held accountable for their actions.

                  I just thought of another something I'd add. The Fed. Gov seemed like it used to really go after companies that had a monopoly. I think I'd create a law that would make it so that there would be a limited number of chain companies. AKA make a limit to only 3 Wallmarts per state. Or 2 McDonalds per State. This would encourage Mom-n-Pop places to open up. Companies that had bad hiring practices would have less of an impact on the majority of the work force and it would help spread the wealth...which would in turn have a trickle down effect on communities.  Back to companies hiring practices this would also allow for a company that is racist to be boycotted and for it to make an actual impact.

                  When I was in College the only folks that got to register early were of course returning students and foreign students...If I remember correctly the foreign students were the very first...but they were such a small percentage that it wouldn't really matter. 

                  When I first started reading your post Diane I was reminded of a case back in the 70's..Regents of the University of California v. Bakke... that's not quite the same thing but in that case Bakke was a 33 year old student trying to get into medical school. 16 spots in that class were held for minority students, Bakke was passed over for minority students even though his test scores were higher then all 16 candidates.  It was eventually ruled that it was unconstitutional for the school to hold seats for certain races while at the same time it was allowed that race could play a roll in students being accepted (some schools work of a point system...good grades, attendance, community service, etc all play a point in getting points. It was ruled that schools can award points to minority students to encourage a diverse community)

                  1. dianetrotter profile image63
                    dianetrotterposted 11 years agoin reply to this

                    I well remember the Bakke case.  When I was a kid, we shopped at our neighborhood grocery store.  My dad had a bill (credit) at the store.  The store was clean and the owner employed her family members.  My mom walked to the store almost every day.  Now the closest store is a mile away, too far for elderly people to get to.

                    As I look back I realize the decline in the innercity came with the increase of drug use, free spirit sex, and shacking.  I tell my students, if they should become pregnant, to not send me a baby shower invitation.  I pay taxes and give a gift every month rather I want to or not.  I take them on a verbal walk from pregnancy:  baby is little and cute like a doll, starts to walk, then school.  You are not educated and can't afford to buy basic necessities for the child.  Your boyfriend fights you or molests your child.  The child ends up in a foster home just like many of your friends her at school.  My pregnancy rate has gone from 3 to 4 to zero in my best vocal class.  I am known for my great speeches.

          2. S Leretseh profile image60
            S Leretsehposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Males, who attach themselves to male groups, are territorial by nature. This will ALWAYS lead to some level of conflict (violence).   Male groups have to respect each other. But I believe this respect has to be insisted upon WITHIN the group toward other groups.

            "Skin color and the issue of so-called "race" is an artificial construct. "

            Yet we can clearly see what you claim is only an invention of the human mind.  If you truly believe what you're saying,   how about claiming that gender is only a "construct" of humans? such thing as males and females.   How about linguistic groups? Just a construct of the human mind? On and on the  - ridiculous - examples go.

    2. Cody Hodge5 profile image66
      Cody Hodge5posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Dude will probably be a presidential candidate in 2016

  3. Xenonlit profile image59
    Xenonlitposted 11 years ago

    I am sick of these creeps getting undue attention in the media every time they utter something stupid and offensive. When does the media give a nobody the chance to publish a rebuttal? Never!

    They are clearly psychopaths or are otherwise malignantly mentally ill. Just because they are racists does not give them any more rights to clog up our news stream than the corner paranoid schizophrenic or serial killer.

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    Sunnie Dayposted 11 years ago

    GM I can only say this...this sickens me as they continue to spew such hateful  thoughts, spreading prejudicial statements such as these.Slavery was unforgivable and so was the atrocities of the Native American Indians, killing many. Who did that benefit? Selfish men with big agendas. As long as there are narrow minded men in high places with this kind of thinking, I am afraid the fight goes on.  Our America was built on the backs of many foreigners and who in the world do we think we were coming to a land that was not ours and making it our own. Sometimes we forget that. America is a melting pot....our young men and women have fought to keep this country free for ALL! That means all people! Segregation was something I saw first hand in a little southern school. I watched as the blacks walked on one side and the whites on the other. Being a military brat, it was quite shocking to know that some schools had just segregated. I never knew that children of different races did not attend school together. It was the best thing that could have ever happened but also knowing it was the hardest thing for a young child of color to endure, These are not conservative views I hold at all!

  5. dianetrotter profile image63
    dianetrotterposted 11 years ago

    MG there is a possibility; however not all Africans are enslaved.  One evil doesn't justify another.  Beyond that it happened and we should all move on.  What's disturbing is people who continue in racists beliefs, hate speech, and violence.

  6. ITcoach profile image57
    ITcoachposted 11 years ago

    Racism exists in almost each corner of the world. There can be many causes of this might be the financial down fall and the illiteracy also the big reason. This topic is also very hot in UK also.


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