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Promoting US welfare benefits to foreigners....

  1. SparklingJewel profile image63
    SparklingJewelposted 4 years ago

    any opinions on this?

    I think there is way too much dependence on governments as it is...this is just ludicrous, what has happened to common sense...promoting illegal activity and taxing citizens to pay for it

    this is so wrong on so many levels, this is not how you help others


    http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/feds-caught- … oreigners/

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      JaxsonRaineposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      But, but, everyone has a basic human right to food, shelter, medication, a job, a car, a house!

      Even people who have broken the law to get into our country! We can't just let them not-steal-money-from-hardworking-Americans! We HAVE to take care of everybody!

      1. Josak profile image62
        Josakposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Ahh the enthusiasm some have for letting others starve is something I will never understand, but of course if I claim that it's a tragic lack of compassion and basic human value that would be unthinkable tongue

        The program is specifically for children and specifically for food, so I am not being facetious when I say that the opposition to this program is based on the willingness to see children starve... Frankly I can't think of anything more morally repulsive.

        1. SparklingJewel profile image63
          SparklingJewelposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          ...only limited minds can conceive of such

          there is always a way to do things better, that doesn't mean they are wrong. to interpret another as you have done you show your own limitations of conception of compassion manifest

          1. Josak profile image62
            Josakposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Very flowery way of saying nothing at all.

        2. profile image82
          Education Answerposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Josak,

          Where's your compassion for the victims of illegal aliens?  Yes, we need to make sure that innocent children don't starve.  That's absolutely true.  What about all the rape and murder victims of illegal aliens?  Should we do something for them?  When are we going to secure our borders so we can assure, to the best of our ability, that good people enter our country for work?  At what point is there going to be some compassion for those of us who live in a border state?

          Facts:  (source CBS, Department of Homeland Security, and Arizona Department of Corrections - 2010)

          14.8 percent of Arizona prisoners are illegal aliens, but they only account for 7 percent of Arizona’s population.

          40 percent of all prisoners serving time for kidnapping in Arizona are illegal aliens.

          24 percent of all prisoners serving for drug crimes in Arizona are illegal aliens.

          13 percent of all prisoners serving time for murder in Arizona are illegal aliens.

          Phoenix is ranked second in the world for kidnapping.  Most kidnappers are illegal aliens who flee to Mexico.

          When will we be worried about being compassionate for the victims in Arizona and other border states?

        3. Marquis profile image80
          Marquisposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          Wrong again. And you miss the point as USUAL.

          1. Zelkiiro profile image85
            Zelkiiroposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Says the guy who probably gets some kind of sadistic pleasure each time a commercial with starving children comes on the air. "Mmmm, that's right. Starve, you non-Americans! Your location of birth makes you inferior to me!"

            1. profile image57
              Lie Detectorposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Its always for the children isn't it?

    2. Josak profile image62
      Josakposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      Because children starving is bad? Which would be why the flier particularly focuses on them, the children are completely innocent of any crime and often find themselves in a new country where their parents have not been able to find work and starve.

      This distinction that we make between Americans that deserve to not starve to death and Mexicans that may as well be something we scraped off our shoes and oh well if their children starve is very disturbing to me.

    3. prettydarkhorse profile image61
      prettydarkhorseposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I think that the US gov't is getting more from the illegal immigrants.

      1. profile image57
        Lie Detectorposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        How so?

        1. prettydarkhorse profile image61
          prettydarkhorseposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          I read it somewhere that they do contribute in terms of taxes. I can't find the link anymore but  in this link proceed to the section

          Taxes contributed by illegal immigrants

          "Most arguments against illegal immigration begin with the premise that the illegal don't pay income taxes, and that they therefore take more in services than they contribute. However, IRS estimates that about 6 million unauthorized immigrants file individual income tax returns each year.[22] Research reviewed by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office indicates that between 50 percent and 75 percent of unauthorized immigrants pay federal, state, and local taxes.[22] Illegal immigrants are estimated to pay in about $7 billion per year into Social Security.[27] Most illegal immigrants pay sales, federal and state income taxes. In addition, they spend millions of dollars per year, which supports the US economy and helps to create new jobs. The Texas State Comptroller reported in 2006 that the 1.4 million illegal immigrants in Texas alone added almost $18 billion to the state's budget, and paid $1.2 billion in state services they used.[28]
          The Social Security and Medicare contributions of undocumented immigrants directly support older Americans, as illegal immigrants are not eligible to receive these services.[29] The Internal Revenue Service issues an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN) regardless of immigration status because both resident and nonresident aliens may have Federal tax return and payment responsibilities under the Internal Revenue Code. Federal tax law prohibits the IRS from sharing data with other government agencies including the INS. In 2006 1.4 million people used ITIN when filing taxes, of which more than half were illegal immigrants.[30]"

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_i … ted_States

          or go here so you can check it some more

          https://www.google.com/search?q=estimat … p;ie=UTF-8

          1. profile image82
            Education Answerposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Of course illegal aliens pay some tax.  Don't liberals like to use the term "fair share" when it comes to taxes?  Well, do illegal aliens pay their fair share?  No.

            1. wilderness profile image93
              wildernessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              Very, very few will pay even a portion of what they receive in benefits back in taxes.  Successful drug dealers, maybe, but no laborer working under the table for 1/2 the going wage is going to.

            2. prettydarkhorse profile image61
              prettydarkhorseposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              I like to see a data from gov't, how much do they get - social services. Are they entitled to it?

              1. profile image57
                Lie Detectorposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                I would hope only American citizens are entitled to it but I really don't know. If they have children here the child is a citizen and is entitled and the entire family will benefit. There is a reason to come here and work is not always it.

                1. prettydarkhorse profile image61
                  prettydarkhorseposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  As a demographer I can just say that if the country they are coming from is not a war torn area, the reason for migration is always in search of a better future i.e., better jobs aside from intermarriage.

                  1. profile image57
                    Lie Detectorposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Possibly, but if we are advertising in countries that are poor and telling its citizens just how great they can have it here wouldn't you think we may be getting people who are looking for free stuff?

              2. profile image82
                Education Answerposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Google it then.

                1. prettydarkhorse profile image61
                  prettydarkhorseposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  I really think that US government is getting more from the illegal immigrants in terms of the taxes they are collecting from them than the cost of having them here.

                  Here check factcheck.org to see the cost of illegal immigrants.

                  It said "So, how much do illegal immigrants cost federal, state and local governments in the U.S.? Estimates vary widely, and no consensus exists. The Urban Institute put the net national cost at $1.9 billion in 1992; a Rice University professor, whose work the Urban Institute criticized, said it was $19.3 billion in 1993. More recently, a 2007 report by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office examined 29 reports on state and local costs published over 15 years in an attempt to answer this question.

                  CBO concluded that most of the estimates determined that illegal immigrants impose a net cost to state and local governments but "that impact is most likely modest." CBO said "no agreement exists as to the size of, or even the best way of measuring, that cost on a national level."

                  http://www.factcheck.org/2009/04/cost-o … mmigrants/
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                  Further check this if you have the time ; 2007 US CBO study by the Government about the cost of illegal immigrant.

                  http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/ … ration.pdf

                  1. wilderness profile image93
                    wildernessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Sounds right to me.  How can you find the cost of illegal medical care when there are no records?  Or the cost of unemployment benefits when the illegal is working under the table, without records, and you don't know how many jobs were lost?  Even the schooling costs - around here schools are forbidden to ask for citizenship records of any kind.  How do you know if a driver without insurance is illegal? 

                    It's all a guess, and the vast majority of guesses aren't going to take into account a large portion of the costs the country pays.

                  2. profile image82
                    Education Answerposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    There are many sources that discount this and clearly indicate that illegal aliens cost more than what your sources suggest.  Still, I appreciate your footwork.

                    Let's look at this in lives lost and ruined.  Can you really put a price on how many Americans have died?  At what point is the government going to do its part to keep American citizens safe?  When millions of illegal aliens enter our country, we don't have any idea why they are here.  Some are here for employment.  Some are here for crime.  All I am saying is that many illegal aliens are killing, raping, and kidnapping Americans, and our government justifies it by saying they are undocumented workers here to earn money; they help our economy.  Can you really make a blanket statement like that about any demographic?  We need to know who is in our country and for what purpose. 

                    Then, some would justify illegal aliens entering our country by saying, despite facts to the contrary, that they commit crimes at the same rate as Americans.  Tell that to the parent of a child who is the victim of an illegal alien.  How many American lives must be lost or destroyed before America has illegal alien control?

          2. profile image57
            Lie Detectorposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            Some pay taxes using  issued Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers (ITINs). The problem is the majority does not, a potential benefit is there but we are not experiencing it.

      2. wilderness profile image93
        wildernessposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        What, besides more mouths to feed, bodies to heal, children to educate, etc.?

        Or (gasp) are you insinuating that illegal aliens vote illegally for the politicians that will give all that to them?

  2. PrettyPanther profile image85
    PrettyPantherposted 4 years ago

    I know it's hard, but don't let the facts get in the way of your manufactured outrage.

    http://www.snaptohealth.org/snap/snap-f … questions/

    "Can undocumented immigrants use SNAP?

    No. Undocumented immigrants are not (and never have been) eligible for SNAP benefits. Documented immigrants can only receive SNAP benefits if they have resided within the United States for at least five years (with some exceptions for refugees, children, and individuals receiving asylum)."

    Of course, you can still be upset that a tiny percentage of your tax dollars goes to feed children of immigrants, so all is not lost.

    1. SparklingJewel profile image63
      SparklingJewelposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      ...did you find the facts on these commercials in foreign countries promoting US welfare?

      did you read the article and find the facts on the points of the many ways this promotion is taking place.

      do you really believe one "truth telling website" is telling the whole truth?  who pays for their truth-telling?

      ... who's gullible ?

      1. PrettyPanther profile image85
        PrettyPantherposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        Yes, I read the article and went to the original source, which I had to Google since it was not linked to in the article.

        Children of documented immigrants are eligible for the program.  Children who are born in the U.S. are eligible, if one of their parents is a documented immigrant. 

        Seriously, even if you consider this to be a waste of taxpayer money, it's a drop in the bucket compared to waste in defense and homeland security, which for some odd reason, doesn't seem to be an issue with the Outrage-of-the-Week Club.

        1. SparklingJewel profile image63
          SparklingJewelposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          ...not when you add it to the overall welfare situation, including the American citizens it continues to corrupt from a healthy lifestyle

          ...it is not conspiracy to recognize the depth of corruption going on into the human psyche by programs of the government

          ...you can't just look at one source of explanation and then ride off the whole issue perception...if you do you have been corrupted in your thinking; the trail of corruption is long and many faceted, and the people are the ones that suffer

          ...there are much much much better ways of building a healthy society and truly helping people

      2. Josak profile image62
        Josakposted 4 years ago in reply to this

        You that is in fact the law, only children are applicable for the benefits.

        1. SparklingJewel profile image63
          SparklingJewelposted 4 years ago in reply to this

          ...the fact is, only adults receive the money/stamps and can purchase the things children need...you think there is no abuse of privlege  going on?

          1. Josak profile image62
            Josakposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            I have no doubt some does but I have not met any parents in my life who would not feed their children if they can so it's far better than the alternative.

            1. SparklingJewel profile image63
              SparklingJewelposted 4 years ago in reply to this

              I know and I believe that true compassion is teaching someone how to fish instead of just giving them a fish. Though that given fish may need to be the first step, it is not to be the last. Our system is wrongly done and a corrupted version of truth. period. there are better ways of doing things.

              1. Josak profile image62
                Josakposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                I agree that there is more we could be doing but this is the first step, simple as that, lacking alternatives for that first step it is the only moral action.

                1. Marquis profile image80
                  Marquisposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  Josak, do you live here or something? Does Hubpages pay you or something? Why must you be everywhere to defend bloated social programs and other trash?

              2. PrettyPanther profile image85
                PrettyPantherposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                Yes, of course.  Do you propose to let the children go hungry in the meantime?

                1. SparklingJewel profile image63
                  SparklingJewelposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                  ...now see...that is the kind of reply I am talking about when I say stop blaming/claiming someone else is wrong or totally uncompassionate...that mindset has got to go, there must be mutual good will for things to move forward for the common good

                  1. PrettyPanther profile image85
                    PrettyPantherposted 4 years ago in reply to this

                    Okay, then what would you propose?  A child is hungry and her parents are not providing food.  What would you propose?

          2. PrettyPanther profile image85
            PrettyPantherposted 4 years ago in reply to this

            So you would let some children starve because some children's parents might abuse the system?

  3. SparklingJewel profile image63
    SparklingJewelposted 4 years ago

    ...yeah, lets take care of them by teaching them to care for themselves by legal means

    ...by setting up a system that examples honesty and integrity, not just a hand out other peoples money

    ...the current way and means does nothing but corrupt a person's sense of dignity and ability to care for themselves

  4. Cantuhearmescream profile image83
    Cantuhearmescreamposted 4 years ago

    http://s1.hubimg.com/u/7934440_f248.jpg

  5. Silverspeeder profile image60
    Silverspeederposted 4 years ago

    It seems like the US is going the same way as the UK where newly arrived immigrants recieve benefits, free social housing and medical care and free education.

  6. PrettyPanther profile image85
    PrettyPantherposted 4 years ago

    "...hand the child food and help the parent find a job..."

    Um, that is what government programs do.  They don't do it perfectly, but no one stays on unemployment, welfare, or pretty much any government assistance (except for the disabled, elderly, etc.) indefinitely.  They have training programs to get people off of them.

  7. profile image57
    Lie Detectorposted 4 years ago

    What does it benefit the United States to advertise benefits to citizens of other countries? We shouldn't be recruiting more mouths to feed.

    1. SparklingJewel profile image63
      SparklingJewelposted 4 years ago in reply to this

      I agree. Other countries should be helping their own people.

      The US needs to hold up their own laws and stop this flow of illegal immigration. How good is it for people to think they can breaks laws and get away with it?

  8. prettydarkhorse profile image61
    prettydarkhorseposted 4 years ago

    Does the US gov't accept applications of food stamps if you don't have social security?

    About taxes, this has more to do with employers.

  9. prettydarkhorse profile image61
    prettydarkhorseposted 4 years ago

    I got this from my link above and what is the reason for this?

    "Federal tax law prohibits the IRS from sharing data with other government agencies including the INS."

 
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