Detroit Judge Tells Young Man He Needed a Beating

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Stacie Lposted 10 years ago
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A young man who participated in a mob attack on a Detroit-area motorist needed a father to "beat the hell" out of him as a kid to discourage him from committing such a crime, a judge said Thursday.
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Did this judge go too far with is personal opinion? He probably said what some were thinking.
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  Onusonusposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Wow what a horrible judge! We should openly shame the judge because that violent psycho is a victim of a messed up society. In my opinion the psycho is a hero for taking such abuse from that mean old judge.
  We should coddle this poor misguided young man to show him the err of everyone else and get the judge thrown off the bench for the mere suggestion that a person take responsibility for their own actions.
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  Zelkiiroposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Because clearly the thing that will calm a violent-tempered youth is a rage-fueled beating. Just like a flaming sheet of sandpaper is the best thing for a sunburn.
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  Onusonusposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  You are absolutely right, which is why I think the kid should sue his victim, the Judge, and the news reporters for defamation of character. I think that to call it a "violent attack" is racist, sexist, homophobic, and a clear display of overt white privileged in an unfair society.
  They should instead call it a puppy shower.
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  bethperryposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  According to the article, the kid and his companions beat the motorist so severely he was put into a coma. The kid also said he didn't have a father growing up. Personally, I'd cut the judge a break; he likely is fed up with seeing kids committing these outrageous acts of violence. Back when I was young, our parents devoted more time to teaching us right from wrong than trying to make us feel good about ourselves, and would have beat our butts if we had ganged up on someone and put them in a coma. And though it may not have been perfect, the world we grew up in was a hell of a lot safer than what our kids live in today.
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  John Holdenposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Nineteen is hardly a kid! Just saying.
  
  I've known a fair few who have grown up without a father to "beat sense into them" and they have turned out to be well balanced people.
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Silva Hayesposted 10 years ago
Perhaps he HAD a father who beat him. More likely, no father in the picture at all. I don't pretend to have any answers to the violence in the world. Sad.
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  Zelkiiroposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Dude! Spoiler alert! You can't just blurt out the big plot twist like that!
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Alphadogg16posted 10 years ago
I personally don't think he went to far. Our society is raising primadonna's .... Spoiled victims.... I'm old school & will always believe disciplining would make a difference in a lot more children. Of course I'm sure there were some kids that got beat & still did crazy things, but for the most part, I agree with what he said.
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  Rad Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I've found many ways of disciplining without beating. I've found them far more effective and can be used to those at any age.
  
  I've also found that the message one gets from a beating is that when you are angry with someone you beat them.
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peeplesposted 10 years ago
I just find it bizarre that anyone in this day and age thinks beating equals having respect for people. You don't teach kindness through pain.
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  gmwilliamsposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  +1,000,000,000,000,000,000, THANK YOU PEEPLES!
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rockesterposted 10 years ago
I think the judge is right, nowadays kids are given too much freedom. I got beaten by a lot by father as a kid and I didn't turn a psycho. lol
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  Zelkiiroposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I dunno. Advocating for decriminalized domestic abuse sounds pretty psychotic.
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Silverspeederposted 10 years ago
The problem is moderation or the lack of it. Nobody truly advocates beating children or anyone else for that matter but by constantly taking away the tools of parenthood and then to expect the children to grow up balanced and healthy is in the very least misconstrued and at the most stupid.
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  John Holdenposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry but my daughter grew up healthy and balanced without the need to use physical violence on her.
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  wildernessposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Never got a spanking? Not even at 2 years?
  
  I know some people seem capable of that, but I was not one of them. The kids (both) got few spankings (not beatings - spankings) but they DID get them.
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  John Holdenposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  No, not even at two years.
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  wildernessposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I'd have to say either an exceptional parent or child.
  
  Few people are capable of giving up the most effective behavior modification tool possible and still, in their total ignorance of raising children, manage to do it with good results.
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  John Holdenposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  The trouble is that too many people who think that violence is an effective behaviour modification tool for children carry on to use it on other adults.
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  wildernessposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I doubt the two are connected in the slightest. A spanking followed by a hug is a tiny bit different than a knife in the belly, don't you think?
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  Rad Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  "A spanking followed by a hug"
  
  Sounds to me like the pattern of domestic violence.
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  John Holdenposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  But do you not think that the lesson that you use violence to modify behaviour might lead to those unable to modify behaviour with their fists to use knives or guns?
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  Silverspeederposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I knew that would be your answer John. As you tell me though one exception or experience doesn't nessessarely mean it works for everyone.
  
  My point was taking away responsibility from te parents is not the answer.
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  John Holdenposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Who said anything about taking responsibility away from parents?
  Hardly an exception either, none of my peers with children have ever found the need to use physical violence to control their children.
  It is hardly responsible for a grown man to beat a small child.
  We're always banging on about paedophiles but then demand the right to abuse our children.
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  Silverspeederposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Well firstly there is a difference between beating and a smack. Secondly I don't really care if you have million friends who haven't done it as you and your friends have not been part of any research about the issue then it is your opinion and you are untitled to it but it proves nothing.
  
  There is and always will be a difference between disciplining a child and abusing one.
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  John Holdenposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  When disciplining a child involves fear and shock that is abuse. Without those what impact would your disciplining have on the child? How would t work?
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  Silverspeederposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Never said I was a psychologist John, you would have to ask one of those how it works.
  Are you then calling me a child abuser? Because I can tell you from personal experience that it does work and that it worked quite well. It was not a case of beating the life out of them it was a short sharp slap to enforce the fact that what they had done or were about to do was wrong. It worked, non of them have termed into killers, abusers or paedophiles, all of them have done quite well and I believe non of them hate me.
  
  I will admit that just because it worked in my situation doesn't mean it would work for everyone.
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  John Holdenposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  How would you feel if I were to give you a short sharp slap? Would you find that acceptable?
  
  [Notice to Hubpages, that is not a threat or a personal attack it is a reasonable question in a reasonable debate]
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  Silverspeederposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Well now we are adults John I would see it as that I had offended you by my actions, if you slapped me for nothing I would without doubt punch you on the nose but because I was chastised in such a way by my father when I was younger I would know and understand what the punishment was for. However in the same instance I hope you would know and understand why your were administering the punishment. Lots of people don't understand this concept that is why the world is like it is now.
  
  [notice to Hubpages. I understand the context that John Holden made the statement in and by no means see it as a threat in any way shape or form. It's a discussion forum sand we are discussing the scenario]
  
  {ps message to self, try not to get banned again for doing absolutely nothing}
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  peeplesposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I agree!! We don't "pop" "swat" or hit in any way any other person in our lives yet it is "discipline" to do it to our children? Makes no sense. There is never a need to hit a child no matter how "soft" it is claimed to be. It's our job as parents to find ways to teach our children without teaching them that hitting is okay.
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  Rad Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Why do you equate beating with responsibility? We are responsible as parents to raise our children to understand what is expected from them in society. Beating them only teaches them to hit when angry.
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  Silverspeederposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Firstly if you don't know the difference between a smack and a beating maybe it's a good thing you haven't used this form of punishment.
  I stand by my own experience both as a father and as a child.
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  John Holdenposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  But do the parent and child agree on the definition of a smack and a beating?
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  Silverspeederposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I think it should be more about does society know the difference between a smack and a beating?
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  Rad Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Do you smack adults when they don't listen to you?
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  John Holdenposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Not, it isn't society that either beats or gets beaten. It is purely between the adult and the child.
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  Silverspeederposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  No John the child doesn't put you in prison for beating children society does. Society also deems thought its laws and rules that you are responsible for the child until it is 18. Therefor the child is not responsible for its discipline you are.
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  John Holdenposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  But it is still down to the child and to the adult to define a beating. Remember that society used to say that it was perfectly OK to beat your child within an inch of its life. That your wife was your property to do what you want with, as long s you didn't actually kill her.
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  Silverspeederposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  So what you are implying is that a child has made the law?
  The law is different in many countries, I believe it's against the law to beat your child in this country, did a child make that law or was it the fact that society demanded it?
  Surely it's down to a responsible adult to define what punishment they should use not the child that receives it. And I think it's down to society to define what a beating is.
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  John Holdenposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Oh good heavens! It is not up to society to decide whether a child feels unreasonable fear when being beaten by somebody who should be protecting that child.
  
  Remember were we came in -"But do the parent and child agree on the definition of a smack and a beating?"
  no mention of society, just a transaction between parent and child.
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  Silverspeederposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry John but you are wrong, why? Because what happens if the child agrees to a beating? Who then decides that noting wrong?
  Now I know what you are going to say next so I will say it for you, why would a child agree to beating? And I would say there all sorts of reasons and unfortunately religion is one of them.
  
  Now I will say again there is a difference between a smack and a beating however you seem to either not understand the difference or don't want to understand the difference.
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  John Holdenposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  No, you are entirely missing the point.
  Any child who willingly agreed to a beating would only do so as a result of abuse.
  
  The only difference between a smack and a beating is degree, again, ask the child.
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  Silverspeederposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Who are you to say it is? What right have you to tell anyone what is abuse! Surely it's between the adult and the child!
  
  Why would I ask a child, what experience would they have of such things.
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  John Holdenposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  When my daughter was about six months old we took her for a check up. I was holding her on my knee when the nurse stuck a needle in her foot.
  My daughters first response was to look at me with a look of absolute betrayal before she started crying. And notice, her look was at me, not at the nurse who'd hurt her.
  She had no previous experience of anything like that, but you reckon without that experience her reaction was false!
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  Rad Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I remember that. The poor child doesn't know what he is being vaccinated for, all he knows is you allowed someone to hurt him.
  
  When my youngest was showing signs of needing glasses the doctor gave us drops to put in his eyes to dilate his pupils. He fought us like crazy. A few years ago I was talking to him about that and he said he thought we were purposely trying to hurt his eyes and thought the drops caused him to need glasses.
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  Silverspeederposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  So you are saying that you let the nurse assault your daughter, surely you would know that the needle would hurt!
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  Rad Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  It's between the adult and the child? Is that what you say to the police when they come to the door because the child or wife is full of bruises? "Sure his arm is broken and his eye is swollen, but that is between him and me? Pathetic.
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  John Holdenposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I can't get this separation between a smack and a beating. When I was younger and fitter and stronger I don't doubt that I could have killed a child with a single smack, but some reckon that's OK!
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  Rad Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Imagine the officer at the door and you tell him that you hand was open when you hit the kid who flew to the other side of the room so it's okay right?
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  John Holdenposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  And any way I didn't kill him, it was the corner of the coffee table that did that!
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  Silverspeederposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  So when you was younger you quote easily have been a child killer through lack of discipline and control.
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  John Holdenposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  But I had discipline and control.
  
  My parents never found it necessary to beat me. That confounds your argument doesn't it?
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  Silverspeederposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  So if you were a good little boy ( that's nice to hear) how would you know what was acceptable and what wasn't if you had no experience of it?
  I was quite a little sod and got a few ( not excessively) smacks, I didn't however get any for the same thing twice. Maybe I was different but I learnt from experience.
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  John Holdenposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I don't remember how I learnt but then I don't remember how I learnt reading and writing. I do remember though that no smacks or slaps were involved.
  
  When I moved on to secondary school there were a fair few sadists amongst my teachers and I stopped learning and started making trouble.
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  Silverspeederposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Well each person had a different experience at School as in life, I do remember all the times I got the cane because they weren't many at all.
  
  Each to his own I suppose. Oh unless the government makes a law against it of course.
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  Silverspeederposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  Actually Rad that was a sarcastic reply to John, I have said the law denotes what is abuse and what's not and John seems to think its the child.
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  Onusonusposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  I agree, parents are berated in public simply for giving their kids a swat on the butt when they act out. Instead of getting a little discipline they see that they can get the upper hand in just about any situation; school, the restaraunt, the market, etc. Next thing you know you've got a bunch of hyperinflated egoes running aroud demanding instant gratification, free handouts, socialism... You know, the kind of stuff that destroys a society.
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  Rad Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  "constantly taking away the tools of parenthood"
  
  The only thing it does is force us to use our brains to find ways of letting the child know what is expected from them and what the consequences are if they don't meet the expectations. Privileges are taken away. Which is exactly how adults are punished, therefor the kid has an understanding of the consequences of their decisions.
  
  Take away that cell phone for a week and you'll have their attention.
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  John Holdenposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  A two year old with a cell phone!
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  Rad Manposted 10 years agoin reply to this
  No a two year without his action figure.
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Stacie Lposted 10 years ago
Since posting this article, I decided to search for a photo of the judge and see that he is an older gentlemen probably from the era where spankings and 'beatings" were the norm. He also is probably considering the age and normal behavior of the defendant and spoke in language that he would understand?
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