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   ahorsebackposted 8 years ago

   At a BLM  protest last night in Dallas Texas  6 cops shot and killed  , 12 officers shot  !    President Obama   in response ,  calls out  for more gun control rhetoric .     When will he  take a reality pill  and  begin a  prosecution of rising inner city violent  crime , when will he say ANYTHING against the BLM  and       "pigs in a blanket " ?   
   
   Should  the BLM  to be considered a  terrorist organization , after all , all lives matter  and police lives matter ?

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      jackclee lmposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      If BLM, they should start with Chicago inner cities of black on black shootings -https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20160329/humboldt-park/shootings-up-80-percent-chicago-this-year-highest-this-decade-by-far

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         Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

         We are looking at both, Jack. What I expect from a law officer is quite different than I what expect from any criminal. Am I not justified to hold the cops to a higher standard?

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            jackclee lmposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            What is being done in Chicago? Is BLM marching there in the South side?

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               Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

               it is as I said before, these shootings are being perpetrated by law enforcement, not criminals. So, why are we comparing apples with hand grenades?
               
               There are concerted efforts to deal with black on black violence, unfortunately, there has not been as much success as I would like. But, too many conservatives seem to think that this gives rogue cops adequate cover.

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      Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Unless you can explain how the shooter was directed by Black Lives Matter organizers into shooting the police officers I would say you are unfairly targeting them for the actions of others. If you held a prayer vigil and someone came in and stabbed some of the participants could we then label you a terrorist? I don't see anyone calling for the police in Baton Rouge to be labeled terrorists just because they shot a man who was down. Or, any other police organization when they gun down innocent civilians.

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         ahorsebackposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         Oh my Gosh ,  sounds like Obama talking ,  If it's a Islamic  terrorist  we should call it  that , if it's BLM terrorists - lets call it that too  ,    BLM  has called for" pigs in a blanket " , it happened at a BLM protest and no protesters were hurt in the shooting so they weren't targeted were they ?,  The suspects have already said it was about recent cop shootings and" wanted  to kill white cops " .We have to call it what it is , whatever it turns out to be , Yet the leader of America , Obama , calls for gun more controls  that only guys like me with no criminal record will suffer  for  !   
         
         Pres. Obama merely sounds like a broken  record at this point .

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            jackclee lmposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            BLM is funded and bought for by George Soros's organizations,
            http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 … -cutthech/

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               Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

               Jack, I don't care who assists in bankrolling, as far as I am concerned, BLM serves a valid purpose regardless of conservative opinion.

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                  jackclee lmposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  What purpose BLM serves in your opinion? What are better ways to accomplish them?  If the people are so passionate about it, they should not need agitators like Soros to keep it going. What is the goal of this group? Will it help or hurt race relations? Will crime rates go up in these communities or will they improve? BLM, just as Occupy Wall Street is not a legitimate group. The people who participate in these are being manipulated. Can't you see it?

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                     Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                     it serves to direct attention at racial disparities in law enforcement and the criminal justice system. That is important. I see Soros as no different in his advocacy tactics, then say, the Koch brothers. I don't hear the right raising fuss about their money to influence an outcome.
                     
                     Conservatives criticize Soros because they know if the money for the protests run out,  so do the protests. There not getting off from the hook, this time.
                     
                     I don't see manipulation at all, as doing nothing and ignoring the problem is no longer acceptable. BLM will take its allies from any and all sources that agree with premise of the movement. Hats off to the ubiquitous video camera.

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                        jackclee lmposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                        I look for results first and foremost. It seems to me, you can go a long way to reduce police shootings if you teach young kids to follow police instructions when stopped and don't resist arrest. Any disagreements or feeling of injustice should be taken at the station.
                        Isn't that what Eric Holder told his teenage son? Why can't that be applied to the whole community?
                        Instead, we have an escalated tension with BLM and violence and all of police is now under fire for the bad actions of the few. I am not excusing bad police behavior which exists in all parts of society. Let the criminal justice system deal with that.

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                           Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                           Jack, these latest rounds of shootings have nothing to do with people not being law abiding, that's the problem.
                           
                           It doesn't hurt that major city police departments are on notice that these kinds of confrontation between police and the public are to be avoided with appropriate training and such to match. That, of course, unless you want and endless slew of lawsuits and who can afford that? So it benefits all sides.

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                              Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                              Jack, I wanted to add appoint or two.
                              
                              It is only due to the cameras that the racial disparities in law enforcement are coming to light. There was no involvement role for the criminal Justice system as these heinous cases never saw the light of day.
                              
                              I remember conservatives saying 50 years ago that the Civil rights movement was 'excessive'. Those who have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo will resist change whether it be evolutionary or revolutionary in nature. History shows that major social change does not occur without agitation, as those resisting change will continue to use the politics of diversion and delay. But, as we discovered in the 1960's, change is coming nonetheless.

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            Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            We do have to call it what it is. And, we don't have to expand on what it is with malicious speculation. If it is proven that BLM called for the attack then, yes. I will agree that they are a terrorist organization.
            
            I still say it is hypocritical to complain at the gunning down of officers when we don't get the same outcry when civilians are gunned down. All Lives Matter. No matter the skin tone or the side of the badge they are standing on.

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               ahorsebackposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               You then imply that this shooting is justified ? When "white " officers were targeted , You are <personal attack snipped>.

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                  Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  I didn't imply that. A sick individual would say that.

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                  Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  I have reported you for this personal attack.

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                     Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                     Don't do that L & L, I need to keep Klink in charge at Stalag 13.

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            IslandBitesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Wrong. At least two protesters were hurt.
            An yes, the suspect said he wanted to kill white cops, but he also said he was upset about BLM. He also said he was not affiliated with any particular group and did it alone. Btw, he also said things like the end is coming and that there were bombs.
            
            The Dallas PD documented the BLM protest (as a peaceful one, btw) and even posted photos like this.
            

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               ahorsebackposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               Racism by cops is a rarity , not any where near  a constant yet it is the entitlement mentality of an immature and liberally enlightened [brainwashed ] youth ant-establishment culture that walks the streets romancing the sixties in America , ALL promoted by this president .      I have terrible and tragic news for the BLM , All lives matter !
               
               Defend violence against cops if you will ,  real America knows the difference.

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                  IslandBitesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Bla bla bla.
                  Who is defending what? Read again.

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      RJ Schwartzposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      BLM protests were getting too peaceful - these guys were inserted into the matrix to adjust that

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      Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      "When will he  ...  begin a  prosecution of rising inner city violent crime , when will he say ANYTHING against the BLM …"
         
      Maybe never.
      
      PS ahorseback: what do you mean by "pigs in a blanket." Obama was very positive in his speech regarding our "men in blue" and how they are doing their jobs well and need our respect …  and those who died, our prayers.

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   colorfuloneposted 8 years ago

   Yes.  A domestic terrorist group = BLM
   BLM is funded by the evil George Soros, who has funded Obama and Hillary. 
   
   It is sickening to read about the officers gunned down.  It is sickening to see the BLM supporters celebrating the deaths of those officers on Twitter and encouraging more shootings of police officers.
   
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   Obama has been supportive of BLM.
   
   Last year, Hitlary stated that she is willing to change laws to appease BLM activists.

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   colorfuloneposted 8 years ago

   An obscure group dubbed the “Black Power Political Organization” (BPPO) has claimed responsibility for gunning down and murdering Dallas cops.
   
   
   
   They had a Facebook page taken down, but the web cache link is on the article below. 
   
   For More Details:  http://www.infowars.com/black-power-gro … in-dallas/
   
   They are trying to start a race war? 
   What evil!

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   colorfuloneposted 8 years ago

   The Truth About the Dallas Sniper Attack
   By Paul Joseph Watson
   
   *  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByE_CpXIjRA

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   ahorsebackposted 8 years ago

   I wish that I could even articulate  what I man about the most genuine-- "real " racists in America today ,-------- Example , today there is a  huge  screaming match particularly in and about  the minorities on the left ,   about minority abuse from whites , blaming mostly white, male , conservative , America ;  Right ?
   
   While anyone traveling to America today  would think that  a time warp had occurred  ,transferring  the political atmosphere and "racist "climate of two hundred years ago  right up through space  and delivering it  right into Americas modern culture .
   
   Yet for one ,  most crimes within the minority ,inner cities  are proven to be black on black .  Black  populations  in America hover somewhere between  14 and 17 percent right ?    Why then do black abortions account for fully one third of all abortions in America today ?    Is it because white male  conservatives  rape every black woman they see ? ..... No !     Is it because of  white supremacy , ......No  !  Yet  does anyone ever even acknowledge  that  black abortions in America today  KILL more black children that ALL OTHER  CAUSES COMBINED ?
   
   Google it !  When and if The  screaming mindless extreme left in America starts reading TRUE statistics ,  graphs  , charts and ALL TRUTHS  relating to  minority issues .   They will quickly learn that white male conservatives are not their enemies and  that perhaps  black America  needs to clean up it's own house before screaming "racist ".   I for one am sick and tired of  the throwing of extreme liberal ,blame bombs where they are not deserved ! And that is at white America .

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years ago

   Pinpointing the negative never helps. Why do we focus on imaginary (racism is not widespread) injustice? We need to focus on our ability to accept each other, help each other, cure the ills of depression, hatred and resentment.
   How to cure?
   A dose of Jesus is always a good start.
   

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      ahorsebackposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      ++++++++++++++++++++++
      
      
      Careful Kathryn, they will call us  out  by "Run to Jesus , guns and bibles " or some such nonsense.

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         Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         I think she was suggesting you stop and ponder What would Jesus do. It might help stop the madness.

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            ahorsebackposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            I agree !  That she is ,she has a beautiful soul  and a kind heart  I

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               Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               We have to realize that there is a higher destiny for us. We can't keep groveling like this! We have to rise above all this madness ... which will free us from GOVERNMENT.
               Why did Obama get on his usual soapbox regarding gun control??? Inappropriately rude if you ask me, which no one did. We already have laws in place!!!
               
               
               PS In Dallas, racial issues pose few problems. Why did those shootings happen there?

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                  ahorsebackposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Why Obama does that is because he is clueless in leadership ,   clueless in honesty , as crime rates have dropping incredibly since before the nineties,  This Rhetorical war against authorities has to end - his interpretation of the realities needed for this to happen are more gun controls ?    Where is HIS condemnation of  the rhetorical battle cry against police  from  of the left ?

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               Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               Jesus was a guy, dude.

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                  Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Oh, he meant me. He flatters me all the time.

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                     Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                     Oh. That's good to know. I hadn't run across any positive or courteous posts by him. Now I have. I wonder what the temperature in hell is at the moment?

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                        Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                        Really hot per usual, why do you ask?

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                           Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                           I thought there was an outside chance that it might have frozen over.

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                              Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                              I think you misunderstand ahorseback.

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                                 Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                                 rarely

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                                    ahorsebackposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                                    Then maybe its time to mature up .

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                                       Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                                       If by mature up you mean insult others, display close minded and grossly prejudicial opinions and refuse to attempt to see more than simply one narrow view....no thanks.

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                                          ahorsebackposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                                          You see there's your problem , interpretation .  You have a problem with honesty .

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                                             Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                                             LOL.

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                                                ahorsebackposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                                                I'll say one thing about written forums  , liberals here  cannot talk and scream OVER all other voices in these debates . That being the battle plan of the average  ideology of the extreme  left .   " I don't run into many positive or courteous posts from him ........."    oh well.
                                                
                                                If you don't like my political opinions and most extreme liberals don't ,  don't read them , but at least when you  read and the fact that you are critical of my posts shows some sense of  at least  a beginning of "listening" to both sides of an issue , not just the extreme liberal "canned" message that is so easily assumed by so many here !   
                                                
                                                Remember ,there is only one truth . It isn't always likable but it's still the truth  , my advice ,never accept the typical "canned message " learn to think with your own mind , something rare today .

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                                                   Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                                                   I am not an extreme liberal. I think you have been told this, repeatedly. To continue to accuse me of it is dishonesty, or a total lack of comprehension. You decide which applies to you.  What you won't get in these forums is everyone pretending that radical, unkind, unwise and otherwise ill thought ideas which degrade large swaths of the population will go without some comment in response.
                                                   
                                                   There is not only one truth. To think such closes your mind to the thoughts, needs and desires of others. It causes violence when people get so frustrated at the thought that they believe their voices are not heard.
                                                   
                                                   You seem to think everyone is supposed to listen to you and you do not need to listen to others. I guess you are always right. In your own mind. Too bad for you a dwindling group of extremists are interested in hearing such narrow minded views.

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                                                      ahorsebackposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                                                      I don't care if you are liberal or not really ,  if my opinion gets under your skin then so be it  , Having a set opinion  however , doesn't make me as closed minded  as those who drink the socially constructed cool- aid of the day like all too many here do ,   don't like my opinion then why don't you simply use it as a learning point and  move on
                                                      
                                                      As I stated , there is only one truth .
                                                      
                                                      Another truth , Those who color the conservative opinions in all debates with a broad brush stroke of shallow worn out popular remarks are simply envious  of the true wisdom and individuality of real thought .

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                                                         Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                                                         Your opinion doesn't appear to offer a learning point; other than to learn that some are close minded and contribute greatly to the problem. Not as many as you may think are drinking the socially constructed cool aid. The problem with problems is that everyone sees them from a different angle and each angle has its valid points. If we don't attempt to understand the viewpoint of another they, in turn, will refuse to consider ours and no solution can be found.
                                                         
                                                         The only way to have a lasting solution is for all viewpoints to be taken into account. I know this is something you cannot fathom or consider but, believe it or not, black men are at an extreme disadvantage when they encounter the police. You and I can look and hear that they have criminal records. Perhaps, that is the 'socially constructed kool aid' you speak of. Something to take our minds off of the fact that human beings are being gunned down in cold blood. Something to allow us to ignore the voices in the BLM movement. Something to lull us into the belief that our police departments are being held accountable for the wrongful violence some within them perpetrate.
                                                         
                                                         No sane person wants to see a war zone in any area of this country. No sane person wants to see police officers gunned down by snipers. But, any sane person can see there are those who perceive a problem so great that they cannot stand silent any longer. If we don't have fair and open conversations which attempt to understand the causes which have pushed us apart in our opinions then we cannot solve the problems and we will continue to see this type of insanity.
                                                         
                                                         Although, to be honest, I don't think we will ever again see a time where innocent lives are not lost at the hands of people such as the gunmen in this incident. People throughout the world are frustrated and feel powerless to change things. I think they will continue to lash out with violence for many years to come.

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                                                            ahorsebackposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                                                            Personally , I feel  in response to these incidents , that if it all comes down to the big one , it will at least be a major cleansing , NO ONE  is innocent , no one !      But anyone who so much as try's to imply that its all white ,male , racist , bigoted , homophobic , xenophobic , Islam phobic  blah blah blah ,................... I will call out the hypocrisy every single  time !  There are many here who think themselves intellectuals , enlightened , cool ,  in touch , and somehow  above the most negatives of  human nature and I will also call that out . 
                                                            
                                                            That attitude of the blame game generally comes from the left .  And although I  may often call it extreme leftist  , most often it is simply those left of center  who  play the constant blame games  invented mostly by an uncaring media  and an agenda-ed  education system . 
                                                            
                                                            A message to the BLM and all similar  groups, You have  called   out racist enough , soo much  and so eloquently although blatantly false ,   that no one believes the "sky is falling " horse crap anymore  -------EVEN  when its true in individual  situations !  If there is  one message I would give to black America today it would be this ;  When you as a minority  grow tired of playing blame game ,  go out , get a job , get a life and mature just like the fifty other minorities that came to America from wherever , Ireland , England ,  Asia  ,  Canada  ,  Ethiopia  or  Taiwan.  It matters not , but to imply that simply because your  skin is a different color , that the world owes ONLY  you , is  false , phony  and extremely selfish.

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                                                               Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                                                               A child is born perfect. If only we can help them maintain their perfection of body, mind and spirit, we would bring about the change that has been waiting in the wings since the beginning of time.
                                                               
                                                               TWISI

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                                                                  gmwilliamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                                                                  +1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000!!!!

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                                                               Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                                                               I'll agree with you that some go over the top in appearing to expect preferential treatment and whining that they are persecuted. But, to 'give as good as you get' (which I see your argument, at times, to be) is counter productive.
                                                               
                                                               There is no shame in agreeing that things have not always been fair. Because that is the truth. There is no shame in admitting that there appears to be a difference in the way some ethnic groups are treated in some areas. That is the truth.
                                                               
                                                               Are you responsible? Of course not. Am I? No. But, we do bear some brunt of responsibility for recognizing reality and attempting to understand how this reality has caused some good people on the other side of the debate to be there. Only by working to help those good people understand that we also see a problem can we then move into the position of alleviating it.
                                                               
                                                               I don't see admitting that the video footage we see of black men gunned down violently and unlawfully as somehow caving in. Nor do I see protests against it as somehow anti white.  All good people should stand against that because police brutality is not always directed at blacks and giving the impression that there are times when unlawful behavior by our law enforcement agencies is acceptable will embolden them to become even more violent.
                                                               
                                                               I do sympathize to some extent with those tasked with maintaining the peace in the inner cities and I do think that it is foolish for law abiding citizens to believe that the crime ridden streets will be monitored in the same manner as sleepy communities. But, living in a sleepy community, I see unfairness. I see whites treated differently than minorities by law enforcement and the courts. So we do have a system wide discrepancy that needs to be addressed.
                                                               
                                                               But the black community also has to accept that those who exist on the fringe of lawlessness or within the bounds of unlawful behavior will be treated differently. No matter what their ethnicity. And that their troubles will be viewed as a bed of their own making.
                                                               
                                                               But you and I have a fundamental difference of opinion. Right is right, to me. Those we pay to enforce the law must abide by it. They can't bend it. They can't break it. And if they do they should be held accountable to the same laws they are paid to uphold. And they should be punished to the fullest extent of the laws they break because they take an oath to uphold it.

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         Kathryn L Hillposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         All people can look to their own hearts. We must not be influenced so much by the media. We can dig to a deeper reality within us. Thats all I'm saying. Now, if it turns out that the greatest enemy we have is the government, let us accurately discern and admit the truth.

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   colorfuloneposted 8 years ago

   Alton Sterling, the man shot if Baton Rouge had an extensive rap sheet.   
   (a registered pedophile)
   
   *  http://clashdaily.com/2016/07/boom-come … =tellmenow

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   ahorsebackposted 8 years ago

   Its bad parenting !
   
   The  only learning that takes place in too many a childhood experience today , especially in the inner city  , is  street learning ,   head phones ,  smartphones ,TV. the violence of video , a large disconnect  from parental  input of controls , moral , honesty ,compassion , empathy for others .
   Personal accountability is a thing of the past ,    We have become a nation of  latch-key kids grown to adulthood . 
   
   If you don't think that that is  what's going on today in the city neighborhoods  , if you think two thirds of the BLM marchers  aren't these  same results of un-connected parenting  , you have a perception problem ,   It is so obvious  that some of the crimes that people play out are of this new age  disconnect , the knock out game ,  petty crimes turned to adult crimes .The same old story of  drugs , alcohol , sexual abuse of young adulthood , sexual  assaults on high school and college campus'  are on  the rise .
   
   I grew up rurally  , however the same lifestyles  have manifested  there ,    much of these same crimes and  lifestyles are here to  , kids grown  entirely to adults all too often without any moral compass  .  They didn't have them as kids ----and they don't have these values to pass on to the children they already have, all too often , ---------- as teen age mothers and fathers  .
   
   Now combine lousy or even just plain difficult  parenting ,  AND throw into the mix  the entitlements of  a welfare society , often generational welfare entitlements , you end of with marchers in the streets demanding More ,  More what ?  More of anything that's for free .  Example  , the looting that will take place all of this summer , the much divisive elections and conventions ,   a poor economy  , All of this life on the edge of anarchy right now  will be being played out in thirty  second sound-bites on U Tube .
   
   This summer , the inner cities  have a microphone !

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   ahorsebackposted 8 years ago

   And yet  , The media in general has got to put  killings  by police back into a perspective of reality !    How many millions of cops in America go out every day without the slightest  wish to  hurt anyone ?   How many of these shootings  HAVE actually turned out to NOT be  doe eyed little  boy scout offenders ?  In fact  if the media were truly  interested in fact  ,  many , many of the "victims "   turn out to have ,not only  an arrest record but multiple arrests ?
   
   Dallas Police chief said  something like " ...........We aren't social workers , we aren't  teachers  , we aren't medical  or psych  workers  or baby sitters............... ", of course  I'm paraphrasing  but its true !    A cop begins his career at the bottom of the pay scale  ,   Just how much does anyone expect  them TO do ?

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