Pres. Obama's opinion of Fox news .

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   ahorsebackposted 8 years ago

   What a shameful opinion of Fox News  by Obama's speech yesterday !    If the media today and especially Fox is  an " Eco -system ,  A swamp " , especially  being that Fox is the only outlet that didn't kiss the Obama Ring  ,     why is it now that  the media is so lost to accuracy , integrity and truth   ?
   
   Pres. Obama , Shame on you and your take over of the rest of the media !

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      The Old Guardposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      A few things, ahorseback,
      90% of the media is controlled by 6 corporations.
      Journalists admit that they are biased towards the leftist agenda of making America a socialist state
      Unbaised journalism is discouraged by management in the news business. What is encouraged is the bias of pushing the leftist agenda.
      The leftists - hillary, obama, reid, and now the GOP - can freely tell the American people that their freedoms are secondary to the socialist movement pushed by the demoncraps, and now supported by the GOP.
      With these things in mind, is it really a surprise that obama, how hates America and the freedoms once held so high, puts Fox news down?
      Any rationale person who loves freedom would never support hillary or sanders, yet here we are.
      Pretty disgusting........

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         ahorsebackposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         Some part of me  and my learning's in the sixties and seventies always believed that free speech  was the one key that , not only would keep America free  but the rest of the world perhaps .  But free speech isn't what is driving the new political correctness media ,   We are headed into  the ' Pravda ' media , no we are there !- and as long as the left controls the media ,then   traditional America may be lost .    Next amendment to go ?- the second ?  And then  we will be right where Germany was in the 1930's . And make no mistake , the government of brown shirts is here , the followers of the leadership  in their brown shirts are here, and  our children are all wearing  a lot of brown these days .
         It doesn't take much imagination  to see it coming .

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         Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

         I am a rational person who loves freedom, consequently, I can never vote for Trump.

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            ahorsebackposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            But you're just totally happy  with the" Freedom " as composed of a one sided and totally biased majority media ,  a  congress perfectly happy together rep. +dem.  that are corrupted beyond belief ,   a supreme court that is worse than  a Capone dynasty  and an incumbent lame duck supporter of all that the Clinton Mafia has done  ?  ....... Yeaa , I think I get your points.

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               Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

               But, I get your points too, yet the GOP is pure as wind driven snow? I doubt it. Trump is the perfect embodiment of Benito Mussolini, so if you are looking for brown or black shirts in our future, look at Trump.

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            The Old Guardposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            credence,
            Then who would you vote for? If you're a "freedom loving" person.

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               ahorsebackposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               Leftist answer : Sanders , because as we all know socialism is totally free .

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                  Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  But authoritarianism and fascism comes without cost?

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               Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

               You're new around here and I say welcome to the fray.
               
               I am a Sanders supporter, even among us there are different concepts of what 'freedom' is.

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                  The Old Guardposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Ah, the socialist agenda - freedom as long as you do as you're told.
                  Venezuela is the best response to socialism.
                  Love what the government's done to the country.
                  But, of course, it will be different in America.......
                  Cheers

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                     Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                     I support capitalism under the appropriate restraints and regulation, that is not socialism.

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                        The Old Guardposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                        Sanders was a socialist.
                        Never had a job, always sucked the blood out of taxpayers.
                        On the government dole until he entered politics and remained on the government dole. If it wasn't for business people and those employed, we wouldn't even be talking about the guy
                        A wonderful example of a "free" market thinker.

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                           Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                           Trump is a plutocrat, that wanted as does his corporate class to give license to their controlling the government and plundering the treasury at will for their own benefit. I prefer socialism to feudalism any time,
                           
                           Hope that you have a nice day...

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                              The Old Guardposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                              You not read the news, Credence2?
                              Who do you think - and remember, sanders is in congress - is running the country? People who believe in freedom? HAHAHAHAHA
                              I think obama and bush did a good job of plundering when they bailed out the banks. With the go ahead by congress.
                              Government is evil - less government is less evil.

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                                 Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                                 So, what were the alternatives to bailing out the banks?  Both sides clearly indicated that the recession could have easily become a depression. Is that the outcome you are advocating?
                                 
                                 What is it about Donald Trump that you associate with 'freedom'?

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                              The Old Guardposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                              michelle obama thinks Beyonce is a great role model for her girls.
                              In my view of the obamas, it makes total sense
                              
                              
                              

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                                 Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                                 Funny how conservatives always speak of Obama in regards to his family.  Their Family values dogma is obviously selective and based on race and politics. You got a philanderer that trades wives in like older model cars, and is the epitome of the playboy attitude and yet Obama, staying married to one woman with teenagers not so different than other teenagers is held to a differing standard, I wonder why?

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                                    The Old Guardposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                                    Because I think he's communist marxist and hates america.
                                    Other than that, can't think of any other reason.
                                    Cheers

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                                       Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                                       It could simply be because he is Afro-AMERICAN?, hmmmm

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                                    The Old Guardposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                                    When I was young, I too had idols that were a bit "Off"
                                    My parents were intelligent enough not to state, "Great role model"
                                    Instead, we talked, and they explained why some of the people I idolized were not good examples of how to treat people. As I grew up, realized they are right, I was wrong.
                                    Cheers

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                                    wildernessposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                                    Probably because he has a hard time distinguishing a gold digger from a good woman - they are trading him him in, not the other way.
                                    
                                    Not truly suggesting that, but there are two sides to everything, not to mention that in today's world staying married does not seem to carry a high priority to very many people.

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                                 colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                                 We already know that Michelle "Micheal" Obama is a hypocrite.   Geeze, her husband was showing off his erection to female reporters on a plane. 
                                 No class!

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                                    Kathleen Cochranposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                                    Can you cite a source for this allegation?

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                                       Live to Learnposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                                       The source? One side is condemning Trump without a fair trial so the other side follows suit and makes up mud about as many on the other side as possible. Allegations, unfounded or otherwise, appear to work well from both sides.
                                       
                                       It's a very horrible election cycle. Let's all pray we find our sanity sooner rather than later.

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         Billie Kelpinposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         As a Progressive Democrat, I can tell you unequivocally that President Obama and Hillary Clinton are not in the leftist camp whatsoever.  Activists like Amy Goodman, Noam Chomsky, Thom Hartman, Ian Masters, Tom Hayden, the late Howard Zinn, would agree with me, I think full heartedly, that our only complaint with President Obama and Hillary are that they are indeed very Centrist, if not right leaning in foreign policy and in fiscal policy.   While I agree with President Obama's approach to issues, I think since coming to the White House he has capitulated far too much to the Right for the sake of appeasement.  It will be interesting to see him in action once the contraints of the White House are off.  I'm looking forward to his writings and his and Michelle's activism as they leave the White House.  But if you're afraid you're voting left in voting for Hillary, you're wrong.  She is far too measured and conservative in her actions to be put into that camp.

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            Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Funny, you and I are on the same page with this. The powers that be will never allow things to go too far to the left. Trump and the authoritarians would be the preferred choice over the left by the establishment.

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               Billie Kelpinposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               Oh my!  NO!  NO!  Please don't miss understand me! Trump would NEVER be the preferred choice. If progressive is where you want to go, you simply can't vote for a psychotic personality who is unfit to serve.  That is NOT where you want to go. ("Psychotic" is the label at least two psychologist friends of mine have defined Trump as.  I'd add the term "maniac" myself).  Any political ideas that have even a little bit of credibility are far out-weighed by his mental illness. In my opinion he has one foot on a banana peel and the other into a State Institution (And I don't mean government).  The handwriting is on the wall.  It's only a short time until he snaps all together.
               If Progressive is where your heart is, you have to vote for Hillary and then work within the party for positive changes toward social justice and against the disparity of wealth.  I'm assuming all of us here on hubpages are part of the 99%.  Trickle down economics has never worked. My father was a factory worker.  He would be 107 if alive today. I come from the worker class. To me, income inequality is at the HEART of everything, but the masses have been duped by the rhetoric. It is totally ironic that a man like Trump who is exactly the 1% we're talking about is speaking as if he understood what we experience.  Wealth is exponential.  Research shows that no matter where you start, once you achieve wealth, empathy is reduced.  If you notice, everything thing that people say about Trump he turns right onto his opponents.  The guy is emotionally functioning on a 7th grade school boy bully level.  Today, attempting to discredit Hillary's health,  he said China would leave Hillary in the streets.  I'd like to hear China's response to that one.  We simply can't have a man like that represent you and me and America.  That is NOT how I want the world or my children to view me.  I doubt if the man knows how a bill becomes a law.  He'd have to watch the kid's video.  What a learning curve he'd have to take.  As for miners, the United Steel Workers has come out saying that his business policies are devastating across the board.  There is a glut of steel on the market, the issues are far more complex than Trumps little repetitive sound bites allow.  I think America and everyone here on hubpages knows in the deepest core of his or her being, that this man cannot be elected on so many levels.  What none of us wants to do is work toward change by getting active afterwards. If you ever went to a League of Women Voters, for example, you know that taking one issue and researching it requires in depth study before coming to a conclusion.  In Mn, I went to a meeting and the discussion of an important question like landfills required research and reporting.  It's hard, hard work. I gave up. I shouldn't have.  None of us should.  It's not about an election; it's about our partcipation in government. We OURSELVES have made it NOT "of the people".   If we, as Americans aren't willing to do that, we are just driving up to the fast food restaurant of government and we have to take what we get.

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                  The Old Guardposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  Sure am glad I left the U.S.
                  Founders are probably somewhere throwing up. Sure aren't proud if they're looking.
                  Tears streaming down their cheeks, saying. "How could you let your freedom be taken away so easily?"
                  You're either free or not. And the more you ask of government, the less free you are. Period, end of story
                  Just look at Venezuela's great success with government socialism.
                  Cheers

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                  Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  No, I understand but among some of his supporters he is a perfect fit. Even if he had shot the Pope, there would some spin available from the right to justify it. For the Rightwinger, being an authoritarian and sociopath isa plus for any candidates resume.
                  
                  Hillary is not my preferred choice, but the shortest and easiest path for a Sanders constituency to get some compromises with the addition of Bernie's ideas.
                  
                  It always come down to money, yet I don't care if the affluent have bigger homes and cars. I do care when they get their tenacles in influence peddling in Washington and buying our politicians for their selfish benefit. Our system of government is not for sale. Accumulation of greater amounts of wealth in fewer hands gives these people the temerity to think that they are above the law and can control your life. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
                  
                  I have a sister that married a heir of a defunct retail outlet. Now that she has married into money, she has taken on the arrogance of the aristocrat. As a black woman, she is now an avid Trump supporter. She only selfishly wants to protect her wealth and status at the expense of her neighbors. It's contageous, us against them, it is only about the color of money.
                  
                  But you have to ask yourself, in the face of all that we have seen how can Trump be an viable alternative to anything but civility?  Look at the people who support him in their desparation to cling to gossamer, regardless as to how tenuous and ridiculous it is. The fact that such a man could rise so far and do so well says what about us as a nation?
                  
                  
                  By the way, welcome aboard.

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            The Old Guardposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            Man, obama being one of the worst presidents in the history of the country - and too centrist HAHAHHAHAHAHA.
            Let's just call it USSA - United Socialist States of America and get it over with.
            Then maybe, just maybe, obama, hillary and the other ilk would get at least a little bit more honest
            Or maybe Communism with a little touch of freedom, here and there!
            HAHAHAHAAHAHA
            Cheers

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            ahorsebackposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            I have to admit ,  you may be close in explaining  your views . But Obama - centrist .....uhnnnn No.!

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               The Old Guardposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               Used billy's kelpin's word "centrist".
               I think obama's a communist and hates america.
               But, that's just my personal view.
               Cheers

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   Kathleen Cochranposted 8 years ago

   Billie:  Welcome.  On most issues here the inmates are in charge of the asylum. We could use an umpire. (Don't let us run you off.)

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      The Old Guardposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Sound about right, Kathleen?
      "Referring to Trump, Michelle said she hasn't heard such words demeaning women since, well, since Wednesday night's White House hip-hop party." —Twitter satirist @weknowwhatsbest
      

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         Kathleen Cochranposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         A quote from a Twitterer?

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            The Old Guardposted 8 years agoin reply to this

            I thought it was appropriate.
            One can cry over what Trump says, embrace the same trash talk from Beyonce and performers like her.
            We have eyes but cannot see............

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