What if Trump succeeds?

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   jackclee lmposted 6 years ago

   It has been 2 weeks since the inauguration of Trump. Those who are against Trump and those who suffer from TDS, need to consider this. What if Trump succeeds in turning the country around? On the economy, on jobs, on trade...on foreign affairs, on beating ISIS...
   As an observer of human events, these are the same people who have miscalculated the Trump phenonmenon.
   This is a defining moment for all.
   Here is the reality. If Trump succeeds, even 75% of what he campaigned on, it would be a great day for America.
   As a Trump critic, do you want to be on the wrong side of history?
   Will you double down and go all out and protest and speak out and defy his policies and executive orders...?
   Or will you calm down and take a wait and see attitude?
   The question is a real one. Where will people with TDS go if Trump succeeds?

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      Kathleen Cochranposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      “We expect to be cutting a lot out of Dodd-Frank,” Trump said during a meeting with business leaders Friday morning. “Because frankly, I have so many people, friends of mine, that had nice businesses, they just can’t borrow money . . . because the banks just won’t let them borrow because of the rules and regulations in Dodd- Frank.”  Does this sound like the road to success?

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         jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         Yes, Dodd Frank was a terrible law. It was put in place to prevent the melt down of banks in 2008. However, it created such a bureacracy that very few small banks could make loans. Yes, we do need regulation but it has to make sense. This concept of "too big to fail" is the wrong approach. Capitalism demands the market place decides who succeeds and who fails. The US government should not be in the business of picking winners and losers.

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            Castlepalomaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Trump is all about winning. I won a world sandsculpture contest. It was 1st and 2nd place who made a little more over expensive.
            That mean 38 people were loser and lost money. That is how Trump rolls.
            
            The world Champion covers everyone expenses now, and it's a much better event all round, and nobody wants to kill each other.

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               jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               Sounds like you favor socialism. Name one place where socialism have succeeded in this world?
               Unfortunately, competition is what motivates people to work hard and succeed. I am a Conservative that believe in individual initiative as best path to prosperity and happiness.

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                  Castlepalomaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  Like the Sandcastle with roller coaster around it I built for Trump.  His life is an extreme roller ride where my life success has been longer and stable.
                  
                  Trump could not beat me at a battle over unionizing my sandsculptors. He did make 3500 lawsuits losers meaning now 3500 bad relationships and reaching for the world record.
                  
                  His talent is pissing billions of people off. Worst attitude toward other races and Religions. He is cunning not intelligent. The Pope Francis told him he is not a Christian, that would hurt if he had a conscious. Broke most of the top worst sexual sin in America. When he make love to a 10, model, he fantasizes that he is jerking himself off.
                  
                  He is already the most disliked president to other foreign country leaders. The man can't, focus, Schwartz (Art of the Deal) said his 2 year old grandson has a better attention span than Trump. He is fat, like the rest of the county leading the world in Obesity and old. He the worst thing for the natural envoirment possible.
                  Yes he good for billionaires, but his BS makes him the worst nightmare for the common man.
                  
                  I loved to have a kick in the balls contest with him, but it would be unfair, he is a pussy.

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                     Credence2posted 6 years agoin reply to this

                     Just in curiosity, Castle, what is the difference between 'cunning' and  'intelligent'?

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                        Castlepalomaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                        Cunning is achieving ones ends by deceit and revasions. Plus a slow energy act, like criminal or illness, harming nature.
                        
                        Intelligence has great diversity skills to create a high energy, like love and assisting nature. There are many different degrees of intelligence. I wonder how intelligence human really are, for brain skills and power yes.

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            Ivan Todposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            You're absolutely right. The over abundance of government we have now is downright un-American! All America really needs is to get rid of the fiat money system we currently have and re-institute the gold standard ridding us of the debt-based economy where we now teter on the edge of economic destruction.

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         Ivan Todposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         It sounds like one road to success.

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      Credence2posted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Jacklee, youknow where I stand. My dislike and distrust of the man and his administration is legendary. But, I did tell you, that I will give praise where itis due. As I have no confidence in him to be reasonable in his assessment of things, all the burden of proof is on him. He will have to prove that improvement is there and demonstrable to all. BS, tokens, dog and pony shows will not be enough. To  convince me that things are getting better will be a sharp uphill climb for him, but it is possible.

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         jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         Credence2,
         Did you see him at the Black history month round table discussion. What did you think?
         As far as evidence, I am already seeing some results...
         More jobs, company moving plants back to US, reduced regulation, getting tough on ISIS, and Iran, and North Korea...
         The stock market reacting to his policies, hit new hih above 20,000.
         The stepping up on border enforcement by ICE...
         We will see if he succeeds on Obamacare and on building the wall...
         It is estimated the wall wil be completed by 2019.
         We will then have evidence of whether the wall will be effective in stopping illegal crossings.
         There will be no room for debate. It will either work or not.

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            Credence2posted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Jacklee, help direct me with a link to this roundtable, did not find anything of note in the google search.

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               jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               Here is link to youtube -
               https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLFe-cDxGxY

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                  Credence2posted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  I watched and it was standard political theatre. Am I supposed to think that he gets a few aberrant black folks and put them in a room to chat generalities and banalities, now WE should all see him as this great guy?
                  
                  You forget that I have been around awhile and have seen the same sort of superficial outreach underall conservative presidents since Nixon. So, what I saw does not even constitute a 'good start'. We are going to need much more substantive evidence on the ground.
                  
                  He is going to have to do better, MUCH better.

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                     jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                     We will have to see. He is one of few politicians willing to take on the Chicago mob of Emanuel.
                     If violence in south side of Chicago goes down over the next few years, they will have Trump to thank and keeping his word to stopping the carnage. I am keeping an open mind and hope you will as well.

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                        Castlepalomaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                        When authoritys kill more than the public dose. So bringing in more rats causes more rats. Or Troops creates more killing.Try communication and education rather than incarnation or force
                        
                        Because killing dose not stop killing or violence dose not stop violence,. There are many model contries to study from.

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                           jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                           That idea sounds good but will it work against group like ISIS? I doubt it.
                           In Chicago, it is a different story. I think a strong police or the National guards can do wonders to reduce crime and gang activities.

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                              Castlepalomaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                              Give love you get love. Give hate you get hate and so not.
                              
                              Cops and troops are the largest Corporatism in the world, larger than Walmart fake smiley faces.
                              Cops maybe good people , it is the over security system that take away our freedom and our security. Right now. I don't see America as secure or free as many other countries.

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                                 jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                                 That sounds good except where do you place the blame? Why is America not safe today?
                                 Whose policies have made us not safe, and what should we do to reverse the trend?

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                                    Castlepalomaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                                    Legalized Marijuana causing most incarnation than anything else plus drug wars with Mexico. US has 25% of the World population prisoners in their jails, that has increased 10 times in the last 40 years
                                    
                                    Jack ma told Trump to take his half of the military budget and invest it into making a America great again.  Trump is at a record pace of increasing and fighting wars right now. Second civil war has picked their side, let the hunger games begin.

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      colorfuloneposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      If we look, Trump is bringing back Eisenhower policies.  That is the last thing the globalists want.
      
      Since Trump became president we preppers have become somewhat complacent, when we are all at greater risk than ever.  George Soros and his group could set a nuke off.  If its not an atomic nuke it could be a financial nuke.  They could do that just by manipulating interest rates by just a few percentage points and throw our economy and the global economy into a depression worst then the Great Depression of the 1930's. They could do that quickly with just one board meeting. So, now is not
      the time to be complacent.
      
      Soros and all them, and the elite are just doubling down.  They really are arrogant. If they destroy Trump, they destroy themselves.  I think they are hoping to silence Trump and his agenda, and institute their global governance. I don't think they are going to get there...because, Trump exposing the globalist agenda kills it. 
      
      At this point Trump cannot back down or soft peddle and try to sway the Democratic side.  They want his head on a platter.  There is not going to be any team work with the Democrats. 
      
      President Trump will do best if he keeps on doing exactly what he is doing.  Make good on his campaign promises, scale back government, roll-back regulations, and unleash the economic engine that's really there.  Eisenhower knew how to do it, and Trump knows how to get it done again.
      
      What do we do if they kill Trump? 
      
      We live in a society that is very polarized, and we have an opportunity to really come together and to push back against world government. We have the opportunity to rally behind Trump and make it happen.
      
      The powers that be really want to see Trump fail.  They may want to kill Trump, and have the opportunity, but they will not kill the Spirit of Liberty.

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         Paul Wingertposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         So set your clocks back to 1950! The good ole days! Remember segregation? How about another nuclear arms race? Lets bring back group prayer and religious study in public schools - as long as it's Christian! Remember coat hanger abortions and the lack of environment protections! That was a great time! Gee! I'm on board!

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      ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      The right owns the Senate ,the  House and now Trumps nominations for office have passed .    Two weeks !
      But will the left dig in or give in ?  I say they will go for broke - They don't know what progress is to begin with !

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         Castlepalomaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         When you talk horse, it sounds like you have constantly an Angel on your right shoulder talking to you. Then you have a Devil on your lelf shoulder you disagree with. Also you, at max, know 1% about the earth like the rest of us.
         
         Maybe you should marry your left and right and make a friendlier and loving world. Fighting all the time will lead into forever hell

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            ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Actually  , I'm just angry at the fake news that you and the rest of the   phony -left  praise as  biblical knowledge ,  How in the world you can look through those  rose colored eye lids  constantly is beyond me .
            My truths  are the only truths , like your sculpture sand   -there is only one flavor.

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               Castlepalomaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               Being a Como sand Gypsies, life is colorful adventureist, filled with curiosity and serious fun.
               
               Your right, much of mainstream media sucks. For 40 year we attracted physically millions of people to our sandsculpture event and snow playgrounds. To pry them from their TV set and video games. Have not knowed a TV set in 7 years and have not miss it. It is better to experience all the senses of original smell, touch, vision, hearing,  taste and feeling.
               
               Nothing wrong with reaching for the stars with one foot on the ground.

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   Paul Wingertposted 6 years ago

   The orange man-baby is already succeeding!
   1. He appointed a bunch of bigoted religitards and rich assh*les into positions that they have no business being in. So much for draining the swamp. He overflowed it with BS.
   2. Embarrassed the crap out of this country.
   3. Proved to the world that he's clueless and has a temperament of a 3-year-old.
   4. Passed a travel ban that targets Muslims. We should hear his crying and whining about it being overturned in 3..2..1..
   5. Screwed over the low income home buyers.
   6. Told future generations to go f**k themselves by reversing environmental policies.
   7. Threatened anyone who disagrees with him, establishing a dictatorship.
   All within two weeks!

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      jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Wow, sounds like another TDS sufferer.
      Your rant is just that. His appointments are some of the most qualified and accomplished  people of business and industry...and the military.
      The term draining the swamp refers to insiders of DC only.
      You don't even understand the term.
      We will see at the end of his first term if he is a success or failure.
      So far, he is hitting 1000 by my count.

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      Castlepalomaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Lo

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      Ivan Todposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      "The orange man-baby is already succeeding!
      1. He appointed a bunch of bigoted religitards and rich assh*les into positions that they have no business being in. So much for draining the swamp. He overflowed it with BS."
      
      Why do those people have "no business" being in those positions? Do they have beliefs in opposition to yours?
      
      "2. Embarrassed the crap out of this country."
      
      He only embarrassed those who voted for Clinton.
      
      "3. Proved to the world that he's clueless and has a temperament of a 3-year-old."
      
      He can't be too clueless since he was elected to the highest office in the land via the true electoral process put in place by people much more intelligent than you.
      
      "4. Passed a travel ban that targets Muslims. We should hear his crying and whining about it being overturned in 3..2..1.."
      
      Quran verse; 9:5 But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem.
      Sounds like they should be targeted when it comes to immigrating to America.
      
      "5. Screwed over the low income home buyers."
      
      How so? Besides, if you haven't taken the initiative to better yourself why should the government pick up your slack?
      
      "6. Told future generations to go f**k themselves by reversing environmental policies."
      
      So, where are the alternatives that can support Americas energy needs now and into the future? I hear alot of people crying the blues about how we shouldn't use fossil fuels but I bet they all flip that light switch and fill their car tanks with gasoline. Sorry, but you can't have it both ways.
      
      "7. Threatened anyone who disagrees with him, establishing a dictatorship.
      All within two weeks!"
      
      All incoming administrations do that. It would be fairly stupid to keep the outgoing presidents administration, especially if their ideologies don't go along with the new president. Government is no warm and fuzzy fairy tale. It has to make difficult decisions and therefore the administrators must all be on the same page.
      You say he did all those foul things within two weeks but I don't see you mentionong the positives he accomplished all before even being sworn in. I guess they don't matter.

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   Oztinatoposted 6 years ago

   Success in Donald's case means behaving like a decent human being and apologising to a whole range of groups for insulting and demeaning them. No sign of that yet.
   Raking in more money for the super wealthy and finding a few token jobs for the poor is not success.
   Appointing white supremacist conservatives and trying to control the media is not "success" but failure. It's only a "success" for ultra conservative white supremacists.

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      jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Success by Trump ?
      1. Enforce the law
      2. Reduce excessive regulations
      3. Reduce and simplify taxes personal and Corp tax.
      4. Replace obamacare
      5. Reduce national debt
      6. Reduce inner city violence
      7. Build the wall
      8. Stop ISIS
      9. Renegotiate trade agreement
      10. Work with Congress and pass laws, not issue executive actions...

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         Oztinatoposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         1. Enforce the law against non whites.
         2. Reduce regulations on the greedy super rich.
         3. Make it easier for the top 1%of the wealthiest greediest business people like himself.
         4. Replace health care with another health care that does the same thing.
         5. Increase national debt to disastrous levels by over spending on military and destroying the environment.
         6. Use any excuse to introduce martial law to get a dictatorship started asap.
         7. A fantasy wall that adds huge debt to the US economy.
         8. Everyone's already been trying to stop IS. No new plan from Donald except ban Muslims.
         9. Start wars and stuff up diplomacy while he continues manufacturing goods overseas himself.
         10. He is unable to work with Congress and is feebly trying to rely on bastardized executive orders to create a would be dictatorship.

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            Castlepalomaposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Yes, dick Trump before he dicks you.

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         Ivan Todposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         Presidents issue executive orders when congressional bipartisan nonsense prevents the usual process from getting things done. The fact that ANY president has had to use executive privilege to  get something done speaks volumes about the true motives of congressional members.

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            ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Congress in America is broken , probably far beyond repair .!     That's exactly why we are where we are now , today .   The house is more real  but still incredibly compromised .     When executive orders are the only movement forward - Term limits are the only answer America - Wake up !

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               Ivan Todposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               I agree 100%, but I don't see any members of our esteemed government doing or approving of anything that would remove them from their seats. Sadly, short of a revolution, we're just stuck with things the way they are.

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      Ivan Todposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Well, I guess you could run for president, no? Then you could appoint whoever YOU wanted. See how that works?
      The government of America was, is, and I suppose always will be for the wealthy. If you research the topic you'll find that in the earlier days of America the only people who COULD vote were landowners, be they black or white. In a country that upheld and made legal the institution of slavery STILL afforded the black man the right to vote as long as he owned property. So, you see, back then, even a slave turned property owner had more to do with the election of the president than ANY poor, non-wealthy American today. Things haven't changed much other than those AVERAGE Americans of today have begun to believe they should have more say in the process than they actually do. Put aside the last 50 or so years of the propaganda of "American government being for the people" and understand that it was and IS for the wealthy. Anything done in the name of creating jobs, national healthcare, blah, blah, blah is simply to keep the non-wealthy "peon" class healthy and working in support of the 1%.

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