At what point will the opposition to Trump end?

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   jackclee lmposted 7 years ago

   This question is addressed to the TDS crowd.
   What do I mean about this question?
   Suppose Trump achieve even 50% of his goals in the first two years.
   Suppose the economic policies lead to more jobs, better pay and increased wealth for all people both at the top and the middle and even the bottom of the economic ladder.
   Suppose the false caricature painted by the media and Hollywood is not true and Trump is not this radical sexist, racist homophobe and xenophobe...fascist...
   
   At what point do they stop and say or think to themselves..."wait a minute! Am I going to attack someone who is doing some good for the people I am supporting... including me."
   
   The alternative is very sad. It means that the person is self destructive to the point where his or her hatred of Trump is so deep that they will ignore all facts and go down with the ship...

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      Credence2posted 7 years agoin reply to this

      The proof will be in the pudding, Jacklee. As I said before, I have little if any confidence in the man.

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         jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         I agree the proof will be in actual results and not spin.

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      Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I really don't think you realize what a conservative Dem Obama was - simply because ANY Dem is unacceptible to GOP sensibilities; and would have been ripped every which way by them. Obama & Dems, in general, get credit for absolutely nothing.
      
      I'm not sure what you mean by TDS crowd, but I think you already know the answer... Its not going to end, doesn't matter what Trump 'accomplishes'. The reason is because he has no respect for anyone unless they support him. He's burned too many bridges without attempting to make any repairs.
      
      And again, IF The Tea Party had went out and found a spokesperson similar to Obama who could/would tout their agenda in a way that didn't incite hate & fear through manipulation - your candidate might have won with much more respect & support behind him.
      
      As it stands, he can't even get his outrageous immigration policy through the 2nd time around cuz he apparently doesn't know the law or how it works. That is the thing that makes him look 'weak' - he's obviously inexperienced and doesn't inspire the people around him (except his alt-right cheerleaders) to go out of their way for him. That says a lot, plus the leaks are getting ridiculous. He barely has the support he needs to accomplish what he wants even within his own party.
      
      He needs to stop his knee-jerk reactions on twitter, start talking without constantly trying to manipulate people, and generally become a president for everyone instead of just his biggest fans... all of which is unlikely to happen anytime soon. You're probably going to have to get used to the constant backlash. Trump didn't exactly set himself up to be an acceptible potus with the majority of 'we the people'. Sorry.

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         jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         I have a long memory. This thing that is happening with Trump has occurred before during the Reagan years 1981-1988. There is a parrallel on so many levels. There were people who were against Reagan no matter what. Even when the policies started to work and he brought inflation under control and reduced taxes and started an economic recovery...some people just couldn't accept him. Called him a B actor, a fool, a cowboy... his biggest accomplishment was to bring down the Soviet Union and ended the cold war. He did this without firing a shot. By any definition, he deserved the Nobel Peace prize for that. Yet, the liberal elites and the globalist denied it to him.
         Keep up your attack on Trump. He just may surprise you...
         By the way, TDS is Trump Derangement Syndrome. It speaks for itself.
         Just go back and read your own comment a few times. See if the TDS comes through loud and clear.
         I hope for the sake of our country, Trump succeeds in what he wants to do.
         What do you hope?

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            Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Reagan was the first president I ever voted for, LoL! I remember that he brought a lot of Democrats into his party 'Reagan Democrats' (although, at the time I was a Republican to begin with - mostly cuz my parents were). He was considered to be a liberal conservative; and he did an okay job for that time. Reagan also did away with the 'Fairness Act' of the media - and after that is when 'talk radio' started up; and GOP began to manipulate listeners through hardcore manipulators like Rush.
            
            Reagan isn't the same as Trump, but bringing him up makes my point again: IF the infamous Tea Party had went out and found a decent spokesperson (one who didn't directly insult & alienate people) you would have a leg to stand on where Trump is concerned - and he might be able to be as successful as Reagan. But, because Trump was someone who just started spewing hate-rhetoric and you became magically-mesmerized by it - no respect. Trump can't bring you the change you want simply because of his lack of experience & distorted personality. Most people in this country can't relate to him; and those who can - yikes!
            
            TDS: Trump Distortion Syndrom - that is much more believable. Insults are all that you can come up with against clear & irrefutable logic.
            
            I keep hoping that Trump will snap out of it and suddenly start acting like a mentally-balanced human being. I'm not holding my breath. Marketing & manipulation are his areas of expertise & he obviously enjoys them both too much to let them go - plus, he really likes his ego stroked instead of 'serving others' as he is currently supposed to be doing. Sorry, I'm not participating in that, LoL!
            
            

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               jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this

               It is funny how we see the same situation in our current political climate, and walk away with totally opposite conclusions. I see the TDS on the media and celebrities and pundits and wish they would wake up and do their job... All this attention paid to fake news and orchestrated news is hurtting them more than hurting Trump.
               You mention Rush and I am just curious have you ever listened to him? Or just here what other's say about him? If you are really curious, tune in to him for 1 week, you may be pleasantly surprised. Many a caller have called in to Rush and admitted how they were so wrong about him...

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   Kathleen Cochranposted 7 years ago

   The same question could have been asked about President Obama.
   He pulled the country back from the brink of economic ruin.
   He kept his campaign promise to reduce our presence in the Middle East and brought many troops home.
   He won health care for about 8 million people.
   And last, but not least, he was a decent man.
   (And he actually won his election, popular vote and all.)
   
   But the assaults never stopped.  They never even lessened.  So, I'd guess Trump has a little while to wait.

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   jackclee lmposted 7 years ago

   If it was as rosy as you painted, Hillary would be President today. The facts are, Obamacare was a disaster and it was also a jobs killer. His lack of international experience, lead to an early withdraw from Iraq and the rise of ISIS. The economic recovery was the weakest since post WWII. GDP of less than 2% and a debt of 20 trillion $$$. I could go on but you will never get it. Obama may be a decent man but was a very bad president. His policies failed and he could not change his ideology as Bill Clinton did...

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      Paul Wingertposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Apparently in your happy world, Obama doesn't hold a candle to your beloved orange man-baby. Obama a very bad president? You mean that guy who ranks #12 with an exist approval rating of 65% (pretty good). To you, he's a bad president because he didn't specifically please your delusional ass. Your tangerine man can't achieve a 45% approval rating (that's not good) and I'm not too thrilled about draft dodger with a temperament of a 3-year-old running the military. This is what happens when you elect a clown, you end up with a circus.

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         jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         I was clear in my description of a "bad" president. Bad in terms of his policies not as a person. You can be a popular president with high approvals but still a failed president in accomplishing very little.
         For example, President Obama received the Nobel peace prize right after he was elected. He did not deserve it. It cheapens the prize when a person is given it merely for his popularity.  I hope you see that.
         As for Trump, it has only been 50 days. His approval is low now due to all the controversy but give him time. It will rise or fall over  the next 4 years depending what he was able to accomplish. Your language is a clear sign of being a TDS. I just want to warn you as a friend. If you are wrong, you have no place to go. It is like those hollywood celebrities that declared they will leave the country if Trump wins. They were so confident and now have egg on their faces...

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         ahorsebackposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         Your kindergarten political mentality is showing ......again.

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      promisemposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      If Russia hadn't interfered, Hillary would be president today.

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         ahorsebackposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         Hillary wouldn't be president today if  absolutely NO ONE  ran against her .   The most boring candidate ever ,   Even you would have stayed home on election day !

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            Credence2posted 7 years agoin reply to this

            With the prospect of a cretin like Trump running, I would easily vote for Betty Boop first.

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               ahorsebackposted 7 years agoin reply to this

               But , You Did !

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   jackclee lmposted 7 years ago

   It was George Santayana who said "Those who do not remember their past are condemned to repeat their mistakes."

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      ahorsebackposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      This statement is actually the gist  of why the New Liberal in American politics will continue to drastically lose ideological ground .    The fallacy of progressiveness  in liberal cause repeats these cycles endlessly to negative levels in financial accountability alone  ,  this perpetual quest for  entitlements  FROM central government and from all levels of government are the only constant . 
      
      One candidate promises more entitlements  -----the other promises cuts to costs of entitlements .
      
      Which one does liberal ideologies support ?     Which do liberal ideologies demonize ?
      
      It IS ALWAYS  that simple.

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   Kaliza Banjokoposted 7 years ago

   Nice

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   Kathleen Cochranposted 7 years ago

   jackclee: I can't help you.

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   jackclee lmposted 7 years ago

   Thanks, I take that as a compliment.

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   Marisa Wrightposted 7 years ago

   The funny thing is, that outside America, Reagan is regarded as the man who destroyed the USA.  He launched the myth of trickle-down economics, which is a con by rich people.  What it says is, "let us get richer and we'll create more jobs and make you all richer", whereas in fact what rich people do, is put that extra money in the bank.  And that's exactly what happened.  Ever since Reagan, wealth has been shifting in America from the middle class to the already wealthy  You now have a society where there are the very rich and the rest of you. The pain of the middle class, which has led to the election of Trump, is Reagan's doing.
   
   But the frog doesn't know it's in boiling water.
   
   As to the answer to the original question - of course, if Trump confounds us all and actually achieves good things, the opposition will stop.   The problem is that we are all terrified he will do the opposite before anyone wakes up enough to prevent him doing something really stupid.

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      ahorsebackposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      The REAL problem is that the left's blind  opposition by pure  ideology  couldn't tell the difference between progress and process  if they were literally tagged as such !    When did the left become so blatantly blind ?   "  Looking  at the numbers "   Reagan  was  the creator of one of the best economic  developing  era's in American history ,  It wasn't until  he lost the spending controls of congress and the house at the end of his terms that the numbers of his economic success changed  .   He had a surplus until G.H.W.Bush  and Bill Clintons reigns .
      
      Why don't you look at  the actual economic #s ,   not the Socialist training  handbook .

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      jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Sorry for late response. I was temporarily banned from posting due to an infraction of HP rules on another forum. With regard to Reagan, you are mistaken. Most people around the world especially in the former Soviet Union states, revere Reagan. He did what others couldn't and brought down the evil empire. Even in the US, historians have rated Reagan #9 above the beloved Obama at #12...best Presidents.

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   Will Apseposted 7 years ago

   In the UK. a Prime Minster as ineffective as Trump, and as embarrassing to his party and his country would have lost a vote of no confidence weeks ago. He would barely be remembered.
   
   In the US, the entire political system is deliberately glacial and this agony is going to go on for a very long time.
   
   LYCIAM.

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      ahorsebackposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Only the totally naïve with a crystal ball  would look at "total ineffectiveness of Trump"  in the first 100 days,  Don't be so politically juvenile , do you think your bias isn't as obvious as a clown suit ?   Give him eight years  or maybe twelve --  I hear there's a plan in the wings for a third or forth term even .

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         Marisa Wrightposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         Isn't a third or fourth term against your constitution?  That's the kind of thing a megalomaniac does.

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         Credence2posted 7 years agoin reply to this

         You can't be serious, you people were hraising Cain, saying that Obama would go for a third term. You are the one that supported term limits for Congress and now you dare to suggest 3rd and 4th terms for the Presidency just because someone of the likes of Trump currently hold the office. Utter hypocrisy at its best!!!
         
         Trump will be lucky to finish out his first term.

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    ahorsebackposted 7 years ago

    Marisa Wright -- Will Apse ,,  The people of the U.S.  are reclaiming America- for -Americans  , have spoken loudly  and aren't interested in the opinions of people who have totally screwed up their own countries  like both of yours by totally selling theirs out to the one world order or other such failed nonsense ,    Clean up your own houses before you try to do that with America  ,   In fact  my country is actually no business of yours  , We made that more than clear  a couple hundred years ago .
    
    Perhaps if America  weren't paying the majority for the defense of your counties  -  ours would be in economic boom instead of  being a "door mat "for the foreign policies of economic socialism ,
    I wonder what will happen with your countries economies when Trump  sends out the REAL  bill for N.A.T.O.

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       Credence2posted 7 years agoin reply to this

       Speak for yourself, Ahorseback.
       
       Will and Marisa's observations are spot on and I say that as citizen and resident of the USA. So, you can dispense with the idle banter regarding 'Americans speaking loudly'. Your America is not my America.
       
       With Trump in charge, it is America and her future that I worry about and that is being expressed by those on the international scene.
       
       Why is it always the rightwingers that get so defensive when people weigh in from other countries?

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