Will President Trump win the Nobel Peace prize?

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  1. jackclee lm profile image82
    jackclee lmposted 19 months ago

    Question of the day...
    If the North and South Korea decides to end the war and work towards reunification, will Trump be given the credit? The Nobel peace prize? The one President Obama won after being elected in 2008.
    If history tellls us anything, the answer is NO.
    We had a similar case with Ronald Reagan 30 years ago.
    He ended the cold war and brought down the Iron curtain, and yet, the Nobel committee was silent.
    The politics of the International world is as corrupt as the US media.
    What is wrong with this picture?

    1. Sharlee01 profile image86
      Sharlee01posted 19 months agoin reply to this

      Jack, If president Trump makes a deal whereas North Korea agrees to denuclearization and they keep their part of the deal, he deserves A Nobel Peace Prize.  President Trump is doing a wonderful job, and when he leaves office in 7 years he will leave this country a better place than h found it.

      1. Sharlee01 profile image86
        Sharlee01posted 18 months agoin reply to this

        But Jack,  just thinks Reagan is loved, and history has portrayed him as one of the best presidents we have ever had. This is ten times better than a Nobel Prize is it not. Obama received The Nobel Prize, for doing nothing, and it reflected his presidency, A do nothing president... President Trump has already accomplished so much, and is on the verge of solving the biggest problem that we have ever faced, and the world has taken notice, many world leaders claiming he should receive  the Nobel Peace  Prize. Will he receive one? I think he will...

        1. Randy Godwin profile image93
          Randy Godwinposted 18 months agoin reply to this

          The first impeached POTUS to receive the Noble Peace Prize? Sounds about right from his supporters! lol

          1. Sharlee01 profile image86
            Sharlee01posted 18 months agoin reply to this

            Randy, Not sure but I think for a president to be impeached he may have to have done something other than bringing world peace and fix our economy?  No really read up on impeachment. he simply has not done anything that he could be impeached for.

      2. Leahtibbets profile image77
        Leahtibbetsposted 18 months agoin reply to this

        Surprisingly, Trump really is doing a good job handling our nation's affairs and striving for world peace. If he would just stay off of Twitter and keep his mouth shut he might could be one of the best Presidents that we've ever had.

    2. donotfear profile image87
      donotfearposted 18 months agoin reply to this

      He will never win it because the liberal media has blacklisted him and they don't want any positive to go his way.  Sad, but true.

      1. Leahtibbets profile image77
        Leahtibbetsposted 18 months agoin reply to this

        Agreed. I mean, I'm not pro- President Trump by any means but he has done some pretty amazing things while in office, as for Nobel Peace Prize... maybe not so much.

    3. promisem profile image97
      promisemposted 18 months agoin reply to this

      Trump should get the Nobel Peace Prize for threatening to "totally destroy" North Korea with "fire and fury"?

      That doesn't sound so peaceful to me.

      1. jackclee lm profile image82
        jackclee lmposted 18 months agoin reply to this

        How would you deal with Kim Jung Un?
        Nothing has worked in the past...
        It took Trump to get him to the table at minimum.

        1. promisem profile image97
          promisemposted 18 months agoin reply to this

          North Korea does only what China tells it to do.

          China is delighted at the chance to become the world leader and superpower in place of a self-destructing United States. That's why it pushed NK to the negotiating table. If anyone deserves the Nobel, it's Xi Jinping.

          And to answer your question, North Korea got crazy only after Trump provoked it. They were contained for decades by all other Presidents -- both Republican and Democrat.

          1. jackclee lm profile image82
            jackclee lmposted 18 months agoin reply to this

            You are delusional.
            The reason we are at this point in time is that past Presidents have kick the can down the road and allowed this rogue nation to blackmail us...
            We gave concessions after concessions and he continued to develop his nuclear missile program.
            So everything was just dandy until Trump became President???

            That is how out of touch you and the liberal left are in this country.
            The first thing they think of is how America is to blame for all the ills...
            America is not perfect but it is better than all the rest put together.
            If it wasn’t for us, the world including you will be speaking German now.

            1. jackclee lm profile image82
              jackclee lmposted 18 months agoin reply to this

              Here is video that should scare anyone...
              https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=ch … ORM=VRDGAR

            2. promisem profile image97
              promisemposted 18 months agoin reply to this

              LOL. Thanks, Jack.

              1. jackclee lm profile image82
                jackclee lmposted 18 months agoin reply to this

                Glad I made your day. Laughter is the best medicine.

                1. promisem profile image97
                  promisemposted 18 months agoin reply to this

                  Especially in response to bad behavior.

          2. wilderness profile image95
            wildernessposted 18 months agoin reply to this

            "And to answer your question, North Korea got crazy only after Trump provoked it."

            Wow!  Any country that can go from nothing - no rocket science, no nuclear abilities - to an ICBM capable of travelling half way around the world and multiple nuclear bomb tests, in just one year has got some serious talent in their scientists and engineers.  We have got to convince those folks to immigrate to the US!

            1. promisem profile image97
              promisemposted 18 months agoin reply to this

              Where did I say it went from nothing with no rocket science and no nuclear abilities?

              The imaginary quotes are back again.

              1. wilderness profile image95
                wildernessposted 18 months agoin reply to this

                " North Korea got crazy only after Trump provoked it"

                I count making nuke missiles or even bombs as "going crazy".  Don't you?

        2. Jean Bakula profile image93
          Jean Bakulaposted 18 months agoin reply to this

          They haven't been sitting at that table yet. And once Trump gets on one of his rants about how great he is, God knows what direction things will devolve into.

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            ahorsebackposted 18 months agoin reply to this

            Surely it's gonna be a nuclear war Jean !  Duck !

            1. Jean Bakula profile image93
              Jean Bakulaposted 18 months agoin reply to this

              Trump casually always says, "Nothing is off the table." Anyone who can speak of nuclear war like that is a danger to himself and others. You can't "duck" from nuclear destruction begun by two unstable presidents.

              1. jackclee lm profile image82
                jackclee lmposted 18 months agoin reply to this

                Then why have nuclear warheads, if we are not or willing or capable of using them...as a last resort...?

                1. jackclee lm profile image82
                  jackclee lmposted 18 months agoin reply to this

                  That is what is meant by Reagan and Trump on “everything is on the table”.  It sends a clear message to our adversaries that don’t mess with us.
                  It was Obama’s mistake and weakness, and policy of “lead from behind” that put all of us in this current danger. He appeased these countries that only know and respect strength. Why didn’t he learn from history...Htler and Champberlain comes to mind. Dealing with Iran and North Korea requires strengrh, IMHO.

                  1. jackclee lm profile image82
                    jackclee lmposted 18 months agoin reply to this

                    Here is another article on Trump and the decision to move the US embassy to Jerusalem...
                    http://www.newsweek.com/trump-has-fulfi … ews-923545

    4. Leahtibbets profile image77
      Leahtibbetsposted 18 months agoin reply to this

      On another note, I don't think that the fighting is over for the two countries. They've been fighting for over 70 years now.  North Korea pulled out of the summit that they were supposed to take part in with South Korea after the 'Max Thunder' Drills were done because Kim Jong- Un and the Central News claimed that South Korea and the United States were preparing to invade North Korea.

      1. jackclee lm profile image82
        jackclee lmposted 18 months agoin reply to this

        Of course there is no guarentee one way or another. However, if East and West Germany can re-unite after the fall of the Soviet Union, there is hope for Korea. It just takes the right incentives and the right personalities to bring this about. Reagan was instrumental in the fall of the Soviet Empire...perhaps, Trump is just what is needed here to change the status quo...

        1. Randy Godwin profile image93
          Randy Godwinposted 18 months agoin reply to this

          Yes indeed Jack, it may take an insane man to deal with another. Makes me feel all safe inside!  tongue

    5. jackclee lm profile image82
      jackclee lmposted 18 months agoin reply to this

      Even Jimmy Carter is talking about it -

      https://www.politico.com/magazine/story … 018-218412

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        ahorsebackposted 18 months agoin reply to this

        -First  North Korea's GDP is the threat of mass terrorism . The Bomb .   That's what NK has to offer the world  , that's it.
        -Second , I doubt N.K. will even come to the table but if they do it will be out of respect born of Trump fear , period.   
        -Third , I also doubt that Trump cares much about the Nobel which is a P.C. award . Ever seen Trump support P.C?
        -Forth , Jimmy Carter always negotiated from weakness and lost . So he only speaks from weakness and loss , his legacy even  shows that .

        The deal will work or it won't , it's that simple . Any deal will also  include China as a player so follow the money between the US. N.K.,China and the" Trade war " deals .

        1. jackclee lm profile image82
          jackclee lmposted 18 months agoin reply to this

          All true but what is amazing is even Carter has come around a bit on Trump...
          I guess you can’t argue with success, wherever it comes from.
          North Korea is one of the last dinasour heading to extinction. In this modern web connected world, you can’t keep news from reaching the common people. North Korean people have been brainwashed by their leaders, sooner or later, they will recognize the truth and they will want change.

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            ahorsebackposted 18 months agoin reply to this

            Very very true !

    6. jackclee lm profile image82
      jackclee lmposted 18 months agoin reply to this

      For those anti Trump people here on HubPages who thinks Trump is a racist -

      How do you explain this?

      https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/jac … e-jackson/

      Why didn’t President Obama pardon Johnson? And Trump did?

      1. JAKE Earthshine profile image79
        JAKE Earthshineposted 18 months agoin reply to this

        It's astounding to think there are still human beings that actually listen to this eerily unattractive racist idiot: What kind of prize do we give him for this?

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcklUUIsdcw

        1. mrpopo profile image73
          mrpopoposted 18 months agoin reply to this

          That's your evidence? That's a stretch even for you, my Caucasian friend.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAxIoFPRtFE

          1. JAKE Earthshine profile image79
            JAKE Earthshineposted 18 months agoin reply to this

            You're joking right? That's your evidence to try and persuade the average human being that Donny Boy isn't a racist while one of his top advisers in the white house is still Stephen Miller and other white nationalists, and if he wasn't pressured to death, racist pig pen Steve Bannon would still be there as well?

            Yes, he has few African Americans who are still willing to go on television and make extreme fools out of themselves, desperately trying to justify everything this destructive idiot says and does and they do hoodwink a few 'Trump Fans' into believing them, but that's about it:

            1. mrpopo profile image73
              mrpopoposted 18 months agoin reply to this

              No, that's my evidence to show you that the man who was referenced in the "my African-American" comment did not take any offense to the comment and doesn't see it as racist (mainly because Trump was complimenting the man throughout).

              By all means, provide more evidence. So far I only see accusations.

              1. JAKE Earthshine profile image79
                JAKE Earthshineposted 18 months agoin reply to this

                Well mrpopo, a film such as this which depicts an orangey white 70 year old man expressing his superiority over an African American man by saying 'Look At My African American Over Here' would be considered rock solid evidence of racism in a court of law:

                Still astonished that some people actually take this bum seriously:

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcklUUIsdcw

                Some stooge shill on television desperately trying to put the forest fire out would be thrown out of court:

                1. mrpopo profile image73
                  mrpopoposted 18 months agoin reply to this

                  If you're a parody you're a very good one. Kudos.

                  If not, I weep for the future.

                  1. JAKE Earthshine profile image79
                    JAKE Earthshineposted 18 months agoin reply to this

                    Maybe so, but that still doesn't change the fact that Donny Boy is a blatant racist and yes, you absolutely should not only weep for the future, but join the resistance to change the future before it's gone:

      2. peoplepower73 profile image94
        peoplepower73posted 18 months agoin reply to this

        Jack:  If you were Obama who is black and Johnson who is black, would you pardon him?  No you probably wouldn't because of the blow back from Obama haters.  Obama understood his place in the racist world and used judgement that he learned from dealing with prejudice.   

        The only reason Trump did it is to get the black vote and for people like you to think he is not racist.   But I don't think he will because they see right through his racist, self serving  manipulation.

        1. wilderness profile image95
          wildernessposted 18 months agoin reply to this

          Yet Obama jumped all over police for doing their job when it involved a black person.  And he didn't have the faintest notion what had actually happened or why it happened.

          It makes me wonder when you or others assign racial motivations just because you don't like Trump.  Just who is the racist and who is not?

        2. Sharlee01 profile image86
          Sharlee01posted 18 months agoin reply to this

          "Blowback" ?   Obama always laid below the radar.  My opinion has he had no guts.  He did not do the right by this particular human being. I don't care if the man was black white or blue... Why even try to make an excuse for his action in this matter?  Those that don't care for Obama, don't care for him for many reasons. Laying below the radar is one of those reasons.  Trump does the right thing as he has proved many times over. Yet some will not give credit where credit is due.

          1. peoplepower73 profile image94
            peoplepower73posted 18 months agoin reply to this
            1. Sharlee01 profile image86
              Sharlee01posted 18 months agoin reply to this

              Peoplepower.  Please, You deflect so fast... Woow...  We were discussing Obama's lack of doing, anything? Do you have a further comment on the subject? I am not willing to change lanes so quickly. Makes me think it useless to respond.  In regard to the article. Old news, that circulated during President Trump's campaign.  I myself am not racist and respect all humankind.  However, I am well educated to the fact that racism remains a problem for some. Human's have faults and some grow beyond them. At any rate, as of yet, I have not witnessed President Trump showing any form of racism. If I did, my opinion would severely change.   I must add you are insinuating in a very obvious way that perhaps I support racism. very small of you...  Not to mention glib.

              Hopefully, you can defend the comment you quickly deflected from. You know the "Blowback" comment.

              PEOPLEPOWER73 WROTE:
              Jack:  If you were Obama who is black and Johnson who is black, would you pardon him?  No you probably wouldn't because of the blow back from Obama haters.  Obama understood his place in the racist world and used judgement that he learned from dealing with prejudice.   

              The only reason Trump did it is to get the black vote and for people like you to think he is not racist.   But I don't think he will because they see right through his racist, self serving  manipulation.

              Sharlee
              "Blowback"?   Obama always laid below the radar.  My opinion has he had no guts.  He did not do the right by this particular human being. I don't care if the man was black white or blue... Why even try to make an excuse for his action in this matter?  Those that don't care for Obama, don't care for him for many reasons. Laying below the radar is one of those reasons.  Trump does the right thing as he has proved many times over. Yet some will not give credit where credit is due.

              1. jackclee lm profile image82
                jackclee lmposted 18 months agoin reply to this

                So Trump can’t do anything right by peoplepower...no matter what he does, even when he does something good and noble, he is accused of pandering...
                It is a no win situation.
                This is how insane this whole discussion is moving.
                If Trump settled the Korean crisis tomorrow, he would be accused of XYZ...and no Nobel prize for this efforts. “Liberalism is a mental disorder” -Dr. Michael Savage.

                1. Randy Godwin profile image93
                  Randy Godwinposted 18 months agoin reply to this

                  Dr. Michael Savage?  lol  This cretin is who you're quoting to back your claims?  He's simply another Limbaugh or Hannity with no political experience or journalistic qualifications to his name. Just the kind of source you go to for facts, Jack!  roll

                  Do you actually know his history?  Here:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Savage

                2. Sharlee01 profile image86
                  Sharlee01posted 17 months agoin reply to this

                  Jack, You are wrong in regard to "no win issue".   It is very clear to most that America is winning due to president Trump's accomplishments. Even to those protesting his every move, deep within them, they know the truth. What is sad, many that are are resisting the new president are making such fools of themselves. Simply by the simple art of deflecting, glib comments that are not factual, and untruths.

                  It is clear many of the haters will benefit due to Trump's superb job. But will never give him credit. I ask, would you ever want to be one of the pitiful?  Just hold on there is much "winning to come".And we will b on the side that kept the faith.

          2. jackclee lm profile image82
            jackclee lmposted 17 months agoin reply to this

            Agree +++++

      3. Sharlee01 profile image86
        Sharlee01posted 18 months agoin reply to this

        Jack, In my opinion, he comes from a generation where he is unfiltered.with his comments. And he can be taken out of context.  I don't think he is racist. I think he has common sense and a poor way of filtering his thoughts into words.

    7. Sharlee01 profile image86
      Sharlee01posted 17 months agoin reply to this

      June 1, 2018 - Unemployment Report Beats 18-Year Low. 3.8% Trump's economy roars on.

      Jack My question -    President Trump was well known for this statement.   "You will get sick of winning."     Are you sick of winning Jack?
      Once again this month unenployment stats beats projected numbers...  18 year low.       LOWEST ever in history Black American unemployment rate! Lowest ever Latino unemployment rate.   

      A The promise made,  A promise kept...   And once again President Trump has achieved one of his campaign promises. He has been in office a little over a year and a half, and he continues to check off problems that he promised to fix... His list was huge but getting smaller every day.

      I love winning, how about you?

      1. JAKE Earthshine profile image79
        JAKE Earthshineposted 17 months agoin reply to this

        Only one problem, all those 'promises kept' by Spanky Trump are designed specifically to appease and benefit filthy rich Wall Street greed mongers and Donny Boy's idol Vladimir Putin: Over 80% of his insane corporate welfare tax cut scam was delivered to the filthy rich while workers got temporary:crumbs: Beautiful:

        FYI: The jobs report is just an extension of President Obama's miraculous economic performance, he presided over 84 consecutive months of job growth and Spanky Trump has inherited the momentum which fortunately for him, has continued:

        Mr. Trump has also crashed the stock market, sabotaged healthcare, driven gas prices to the moon and is in the process of undermining his own voters by going crazy with reckless 'trade wars':

        Sorry Sharlee01, but those are just the facts:

        1. Sharlee01 profile image86
          Sharlee01posted 17 months agoin reply to this

          Think what you please about the Trump economy. When he came into office the country found the confidence to invest due to his progress attitude about business and cutting taxes promise. Which e did. He also did away with tons of job-killing regulations. And in regards to appeasing the rich wall street and big business. You know little about economics. Money and big business are what keeps the country as well as other world markets solvent. To put it a bit simpler -  No money, no taxes, No money, no jobs, no money more need of Government handouts. Jake, it is clear you know little in regards to economics.  And yes Trump is making it harder to get welfare. Which is wonderful. If one can work, let them get a job. If assistance is needed it will be provided.  Who the hell wants a country where we pass out cash and encourage dependency on Government.  And as always you have no real facts. *0% cuts... You sound ridiculous.

          "Mr. Trump has also crashed the stock market, sabotaged healthcare, driven gas prices to the moon and is in the process of undermining his own voters by going crazy with reckless 'trade wars'

          Again it's very clear you know nothing about the stock market.  Do you realize how far the market would have to fall to go below the record-breaking numbers Trump added?  The day Trump was elected the market started to climb.  Today the market is at 24,600 (which fluctuates by the second). The Obama Market was at 18, 268 the day of the election. This means for the market to truly crash it would have to go back to its low back to the low, of 18,000 and change... Trump's cushion is over 8,000

          http://money.cnn.com/data/markets/

          In regards to gas prices can't argue they went up last week, but have come down  Michigan this week?  And the trade wars. Bring it on. This has needed to be tackled for years. Let's get some of our cash back from countries that have been making ass clowns of us from the time NAFTA's ink dried.  Trump will win with trade, just watch him...

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            Clarie Cinda Bposted 17 months agoin reply to this

            Thank you!
            Take the tax break he allowed for breweries and wineries.  It has me laughing. 
            These two products have many great things in common, best is they are liquid, and require containers.
            #1. Distillery Barrels, made in Tennessee and Kentucky, due to damaging during shipping overseas, America does not export nor import. We grow and make our own.  Also, there is over 300,000 acres of trees in Wisconsin and twice that in Michigan, ready for more barrels.
            #2. California, Washington and Michigan are the highest producers of ‘Fruit For Wine”
            #3 Illinois, Iowa, Nebraska and others, now Michigan as well, grow hops for beer. Miller Breweries only buys hops from Illinois.
            #4 Again neither produce is exported nor imported in it’s natural form.
            #5 Bottles and glasses.  When that famous California Champagne producer offers you five tastes of their product, they don’t use paper cups. They use the real thing, sparkling Champagne Flutes. The Worlds second largest glass makers, Libby of Ohio. They also hold the patent for Garilla Glass.
                 (Glass made of sand and water, natural resources America has plenty. it is also easily recycled)
            #5 aluminum ponies, kegs, and cans, most produced in Pennsylvania. (Also recycled)
            Also requiring boxes or carrying totes, cardboard containers, most made in Wisconsin.
            Last but not least, the oldest cities and countries in the world use such products, as their economic basis: Asia has Sokki, Russia has Vodka, France has wine and Champagne, Italy has wine and Lambrusco, Athens Greece has Usso, Scotland’s Scotch and Whisky, and of course Germany has its Beer.
            This tax expires in two years, while Trump and Congress predict minimum %82 of the overall tax savings will be reinvested within our borders. It’s a real life Apprentice show.
            Don’t drink the stuff? Wine is great for washing out pantyhose, killing off weeds, growing between the cracks in your side walk. Rinsing out the sink. Best in salad dressings, and more. Cleaning your teeth.
            If you do use these products, visit you local tasting room, order a sandwich or salad with your choice, and Enjoy. You are now an active participant in our new but old economy.

  2. Live to Learn profile image80
    Live to Learnposted 19 months ago

    When you add to the picture the loss of the ability to develop nuclear weapons with existing facilities it lessens the effect of Trump's influence. And, honestly, we need to wait and see. I hold out as much hope as the next person but if Un's rhetoric matches his thinking we have to wonder if he is sincere. We have to wonder if his control over his country will survive throughout this reunification process.

    Look at the USSR. With all of the hope we had when the Iron Curtain fell, with all of the bright new future we could envision what do we now have? A guy at their country's helm who may have made the world more dangerous than it was at the height of the Cold War.

    1. jackclee lm profile image82
      jackclee lmposted 19 months agoin reply to this

      I disagree. The world is better today than during the cold war. Millions of people of the former soviet sattelites will attest to that. Russia is no where the super power it was back then. It still has many problems under Putin and will never reclaim its former glory...
      The reunification of Germany is a model for Korea. They can become one and more prosperous and join the world of nations being a democratic republic and with a capitalistic economic system.
      History has repeated itself in post ww2 Japan, West Germany and South Korea and Taiwan(Republic of China)...
      How some 40% of people in college campuses still think socialism is a viable competitor is beyond belief.

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        ahorsebackposted 19 months agoin reply to this

        Sorry Jack , I opened a discussion on this subject actually forgetting you had one !.............;-]

        1. jackclee lm profile image82
          jackclee lmposted 19 months agoin reply to this

          Great minds think alike...

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            ahorsebackposted 19 months agoin reply to this

            ++++++++++++++++++++++

      2. Live to Learn profile image80
        Live to Learnposted 19 months agoin reply to this

        Well, I would certainly agree that Germany is a fine example to look toward. Let's all hope that the Koreas go down that path.

  3. peoplepower73 profile image94
    peoplepower73posted 19 months ago

    Reagan didn't end the cold war.  He was the beneficiary of many years of Soviet Containment by many presidents before him.  He asked Gorbachev to "tear down that wall.", pure and simple.  The game of containment had gone on for a long time before Reagan.  It was communism that killed them, because we would not allow them to compete on the open market.

    Trump is/will try to take credit for the peace in the north and south, but he is out of the picture, if you follow the real news.  Both Korea's are going to come to a peace agreement on their own.  They don't want any outside influence from Trump or China. Removing missiles is another story.

    1. jackclee lm profile image82
      jackclee lmposted 19 months agoin reply to this

      Mike,
      You are not being fair to Reagan. It was Reagan’s foreign policy, along with Thatcher and Pope John Paul II that started the movement which lead to the eventual collapse of the Soviet Empire. Many State department insiders at the time thought Reagan was too agressive and believed in the status quo.
      Reagan over ruled them and gave the infamous “tear down this wall” speech...
      He also built up our military and forced the Soviets to compete and ruined their economy...which contributed to their down fall.
      One last thing, it was Reagan who proposed the star war defensive missile system which now is working to protect western Europe and the Israel from attacks...

      So in your mind, all this was going to happen anyway? Reagan was just a 2nd rate actor reading his lines...wow did you fall for the media lies about him.
      Reagan, was an actor, but he later was governor of California, he was the head of the Actors union and he was spokesperson for GE. He gave many speeches and political commentary well before running for president. The media called him a cowboy and trigger happy...
      I could go on and teach you a bit of history...
      I am a fan of Reagan but also a student of history. I read more books on Reagan...
      If you want more, I can dish it out.

    2. mrpopo profile image73
      mrpopoposted 19 months agoin reply to this

      I always knew CNN and the South Korean foreign minister were fake news

      https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/26/world/ko … index.html

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      ahorsebackposted 19 months agoin reply to this

      You just simply give a conservative credit for anything can you ?    "Reagan didn't end the cold war ".........who did then , who forced Perestroika ?    If Trump wasn't as strong ,forceful and competent  Kim would be getting a pallets of cash from Hillary along with Iran !     

      The great diplomatic lessons of Obama are evident all over the world today ,  China freely stealing missile tech and copyrights , building more islands and actually pirating the international seas .Russia bullying it's annex's ,Syria's Assad  gassing his own people ,  Democrats are notoriously weak diplomats , Bill Clinton's Mogadishu  ,  Jimmy Carter's Iran ,   Kennedy-Johnson  Cuba ,Viet Nam , Laos , Cambodia  ,   Reagan was the best diplomatic negotiator in modern times because he fully understood negotiating through our strengths . Trump fully gets that , perhaps you should reopen  a history book  ?

      1. Don W profile image82
        Don Wposted 18 months agoin reply to this

        Mikhail Gorbachev

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          ahorsebackposted 18 months agoin reply to this

          Because Putin was roto rooting him from the KGB behind ,Reagan was forcing him in the western media ?

    4. jackclee lm profile image82
      jackclee lmposted 18 months agoin reply to this

      Peoplepower, you are kidding your self if you think that. Reagan was the primary driver that caused the fall of the Soviet Union...the evil empire. He and Thather and Pope John Paul II worked together and forced the Soviets to compete in a growing defense budget that eventually broke their will. Even Gorbachov later admitted as such. The policy of containment and MAD was the standard during the cold war. Reagan changed that with the proposal of the Star war missile defense system...
      After almost 70 years of truce between the two Koreas, it is only in 2018 that they decided to talk peace. The question is why now? What was different in 2018 than in 2008 or 2012 or even 2016? The answer is Trump...
      Meanwhile, try and defend the Nobel committee on the award of the peace prize to President Obama. What did he do to deserve it?  Nothing. Even Obama admitted to it.

  4. peoplepower73 profile image94
    peoplepower73posted 19 months ago

    Everything you wanted to know about Soviet Containment Strategy, but were afraid to ask:

    https://www.history.com/topics/cold-war … ar-history

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      ahorsebackposted 19 months agoin reply to this

      What you've just effectively done is to educate the Trump Obstruction Deranged about the long history of Russian aggression against the entire free world , The free election systems of said world and the fact that Trump didn't invite the Russians into the White house for dinner , as is personified by the Trump haters and their media  .
      Good Job !

  5. peoplepower73 profile image94
    peoplepower73posted 19 months ago

    ahorseback:  What???? What you have effectively done is take a piece of history and spin it to give Trump credit for not inviting the Russians for dinner.  Soviet containment was a long process that was employed by several presidents to bring down the Soviet Union.  What does that have to do with Trump and a dinner?

    Good Job!

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      ahorsebackposted 19 months agoin reply to this

      So  who , Johnson , Nixon  , Ford , Carter  ?  No , Reagan was a national movement almost exactly like Trump against the business as usual of established foriegn diplomacy , You forget that Reagan was similarly and negatively accused of insanity , age , war mongering ,.....Yet took down our enemies like no other .  Trumps doing that like Reagan--- out of strength negotiating only .

  6. Wesman Todd Shaw profile image96
    Wesman Todd Shawposted 19 months ago

    https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/14020402.jpg

    Such a fine upgrade over the last nitwit, and the nitwit's chosen successor. We sure dodged a bullet by electing Trump.

  7. peoplepower73 profile image94
    peoplepower73posted 18 months ago

    ahorseback:  Either you didn't read the link I posted about Soviet Containment Strategy or you chose to ignore it.  It started right after WWII and continued up until Reagan told Gorbachev to tear down that wall. All of those presidents in that period of time were practicing the strategy.  Therefore, Reagan does not get all the credit for it.

    Here it is again:

    https://www.history.com/topics/cold-war … ar-history

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      ahorsebackposted 18 months agoin reply to this

      Peoplepower , what I read in the article of the history of Russia and western diplomacy and what I KNOW from knowing Reagan and his writings early on is that there was little publicly recognised and effective open communication ! A secretive and paranoid Russia  and Reagan opening diplomacy with the idea of negotiating through strength and not the usual weakness .
      Period . And yes real historians give  Reagan most of that credit .

      1. peoplepower73 profile image94
        peoplepower73posted 18 months agoin reply to this

        ahorseback:  What real historians?  So now there are fake historians and real historians.  Can you give me proof of real historians and Reagan?

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          ahorsebackposted 18 months agoin reply to this

          You , as do most liberals today , must ignore the real history of the past when you decide the history of now ,  It IS as simple as an excuse as you're obviously old enough to have witnessed the undeniable  reality and ignored it .   When a leader like Reagan however reluctantly is respected , supported and  channeled by even liberals of the time ?   It is you who needs to prove he didn't change the very definition of freedom from nuclear paranoia to our reality today  .   You should perhaps crawl back under your desk and prepare for the Russians {collusion} invasion  and watch for the mushroom cloud ?

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          ahorsebackposted 18 months agoin reply to this

          Maybe it's serious Peoplepower , you should definitely have that memory checked out ,  or perhaps you are exactly  the very reason Breitbart always talked about the only history that liberals understand IS the history of now ?  Reagan's importance and brilliance  in foreign diplomacy and Russia can no more be played down that Obama's total lack thereof .

          1. Randy Godwin profile image93
            Randy Godwinposted 18 months agoin reply to this

            So Reagan solved our economic problems?

            1. jackclee lm profile image82
              jackclee lmposted 18 months agoin reply to this

              Yes he did. His tax cuts lead to the greatest economic boom that lasted 20 years...and created 20 million new jobs...
              Don’t forget, he came into power with a deep inflation of double digits, an oil crisis created by the arab Cartel, and the soviet empire at Europe door step, and an economic malaise of Carter...
              For those who don’t know their history...back to the books or the internet. You can google it...
              It was called Reaganomics and supply side of Jack Kemp and the Laffer curve.

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              ahorsebackposted 18 months agoin reply to this

              He did  he believed in reducing the deficit , balancing the budget and when he left office  things were looking great until Senate under GHW Bush blew it all to heck in one session of budget voting .   Randy ,You cannot rewrite history for your party favors , history is the only reality there is left , No , not your left !  The left  of which is that something  remaining  when all else is gone .

              1. Randy Godwin profile image93
                Randy Godwinposted 18 months agoin reply to this

                Basically he forced Russia to spend more than their economy could afford by spending more than America could afford on weapons. And the GWB excuse is just that...

                1. peoplepower73 profile image94
                  peoplepower73posted 18 months agoin reply to this

                  ahorseback: This is what you wrote:

                  "He did  he believed in reducing the deficit , balancing the budget and when he left office  things were looking great until Senate under GHW Bush blew it all to heck in one session of budget voting .   Randy ,You cannot rewrite history for your party favors , history is the only reality there is left , No , not your left !  The left  of which is that something  remaining  when all else is gone ."

                  I don't know how old you are, but I remember when Reagan created the Savings and Loan Debacle.  He removed the 100K cap on mom and pop savings and loans.

                  As far as real history, the link I posted was from PBS.  They have won many awards for their history productions.

                  Here is the real history for Reagan's debacle, no  left, no right, just facts.

                  https://www.thebalance.com/savings-and- … st-3306035

                  1. jackclee lm profile image82
                    jackclee lmposted 18 months agoin reply to this

                    What did Reagan have to do with it? It was the Keating five that created the savings and loan crash...

  8. Valeant profile image96
    Valeantposted 18 months ago

    Speaking of ignoring history, what happened the last time the GOP cut taxes and increased spending?  Oh yeah, we went from a budget surplus to 9 trillion in debt.  What playbook are we running now?  The same exact one.

    1. jackclee lm profile image82
      jackclee lmposted 18 months agoin reply to this

      President can’t control budgets. It is Congress’s role on spending as specified in our Constitution.
      The playbook is cutting taxes to stir growth.
      It is unfortunate that we can’t seem to control our spending habits...
      This argument that cutting taxes lead to bigger deficits is false.
      In some cases, cutting taxes brought in more revenue as in the Reagan years.
      The problem was, Congress spent more than they take in every year...even in time of recession...
      That is why we have a 21 trillion cumulative debt. Half of that was racked up under Obama years.
      At the same time, he increased taxes. How come?
      This is historical record. There is no room for debate here.
      You can look it up for yourself. Just to prove I am right or wrong...

  9. Kathleen Cochran profile image81
    Kathleen Cochranposted 18 months ago

    Valeant:  So glad somebody is paying attention.  Remember, Nixon open relations with China.  Even a crook can sometimes get something done.  Give him a Nobel!  Fine.  The please, God, send him back to NYC.

  10. Sharlee01 profile image86
    Sharlee01posted 18 months ago

    It odd how you can make something that could be wonderful for the entire world, and spin it. Very sad, no really.  If it could have been done so easily, why didn't someone else work on accomplishing it?

  11. Valeant profile image96
    Valeantposted 18 months ago

    https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/14023183.jpg

    1. Sharlee01 profile image86
      Sharlee01posted 18 months agoin reply to this

      Actually, there was a lot more to it than that. He persuaded China to enforce harsh sanctions on NK. He also will sit down and meet with Kim. Trump will set precedence by meeting with an NK leader.   Not sure how your picture represents a man that may just solve one of the biggest problems that threatens not only America but the world?  Give credit where credit is due. If it were so easy, why didn't any other president do it?  It certainly appears it may have been very easy, makes one think does it not? We sure have has some ill equipt men in office.   President Trump fully deserves a Nobel Peace Prize. However, I think 4 more years is a better prize.LOL

      1. Don W profile image82
        Don Wposted 18 months agoin reply to this

        Or . . . perhaps Trump is already being played by N. Korea, aided and abetted by China.

        1) Just by attending the meeting, Kim Jong-un (who you may remember is a brutal dictator, not an "honorable man" as Trump described him) will receive the prestige and legitimacy a meeting with a serving U.S president conveys, without having made any substantial concessions (a photo-op with the South Korean president is not a concession, it's a PR stunt). So N. Korea gets a propaganda coup and in return Trump's gets . . . to boast on Twitter.

        2) The suggestion that previous serving presidents didn't personally meet with N. Korean leaders because they were "ill-equipped" is naive. They didn't meet because they understood the language of international diplomacy. Trump doesn't. He's vain, arrogant and egotistical, and Kim Jong-un has just used that fact to get him to concede one of his bargaining chips.

        Such a meeting can only be a win for Jong-un, regardless of outcome. A positive outcome means he gets credit. A negative outcome, and he gets the propaganda value of saying he faced down the U.S. president. Either way, he gets the legitimacy associated with meeting a US president.

        3) Jong-un brought Trump to the negotiating table, not the other way around.

        Jong-un disregarded Trump's juvenile comments on Twitter with his own juvenile comments and more nuclear testing. And he did so because he knows China won't let his regime collapse under sanctions. Such a collapse (and the millions of refugees that would flood into China as a result) is not in China's interests. Likewise N. Korea and China are in a "mutual defense treaty". You could gamble that China won't honor the treaty in the event of an attack on N. Korea, but that would be a big (and irresponsible) gamble (at least for any rational president).

        So, far from being cowed by pressure, Jong-un has created a situation where Trump has few viable options available, other than talking. The fact Trump is foolish enough to agree to a personal meeting is the icing on the cake.

        He could have sent representatives, and kept the offer of a personal meeting in play, contingent on some solid concessions. Instead Trump is now in a position where he must get something truly beneficial out of the meeting (as opposed to some platitudes about "peace" and "co-operation") or risk looking like he has been played like a fiddle.

        Hopefully I'm completely wrong and N. Korea has suddenly become enlightened and willing to open up to a new era of democratic, progressive leadership, under the benevolent and watchful eye of its mentor, China. But I think the chances of that are . . . slim.

        1. mrpopo profile image73
          mrpopoposted 18 months agoin reply to this

          Funny how two days ago they were just engaging in a juvenile shouting match and neither of them understood the language of international diplomacy. Now all of a sudden Jong-un is the mastermind behind this diplomatic manipulation of the US and South Korea.

          1. JAKE Earthshine profile image79
            JAKE Earthshineposted 18 months agoin reply to this

            Actually it's funnier how Mr. Trump drew about 10 red lines by insanely blabbering about how he was going to blow up N Korea and everyone in it with his 'fire and fury' nonsense, Kim Jung Un plowed right through those lines with impunity, accelerated his testing by popping off more long range missiles during Trump's dreadfully shameful tenure than any other, achieved his his testing goals while lazy Mr. Trump wasted our time twittering about porn actresses, golfing and stuffing his face with greasy cheeseburgers and fried chicken:

            Trump is absolutely clueless which makes him a danger to society with potentially a nuke button and recent reports from John Kelly, who is another racist in our white house but certainly not a madman like his boss, called him an idiot on several occasions: Beautiful: Tillerman never denied he called Trump a moron and so far, Kelly has not denied he called him an idiot:

            So what does anyone with half a brain think Kim would do after successfully completing his missile tests, immediately start a war with the west or manipulate Donny into a false sense of security to get even more of what he wants? Kim Jung Un has been dealing with the big time on the world stage his entire life while Donny appears most comfortable running 'trump universities' where vulnerable mom and pop elderly people are his negotiating counterparts: Pathetic:

            1. Sharlee01 profile image86
              Sharlee01posted 18 months agoin reply to this

              And yet it may just be president Trump who solves the biggest problem that we have faced as a nation... Just stating the situation without going into a thousand words, and many unnecessary insults to, anyone you please to insult.  Scary stuff...

              1. JAKE Earthshine profile image79
                JAKE Earthshineposted 18 months agoin reply to this

                Your hero Donny crashed our stock market, is undermining our law enforcement, judicial system and vitally important institutions, is insanely sabotaging our healthcare system and just gave away trillions of our wealth to his elite Wall Street pals while workers got crumbs, higher gas prices and a trade war which will undercut our farmers, I don't think he's up to the task of N. Korea unless a 'photo-op' equals resolution and it probably does in his tiny little mind:

                Moreover, after looking at those questions the special prosecutor wants to ask him, they got him on obstruction of justice and conspiracy at a minimum, hopefully he'll be ranting and raving about Kim Jung Un and the Koreas to fox channel from his prison cell soon, if fox accepts the collect call that is:

                1. Sharlee01 profile image86
                  Sharlee01posted 18 months agoin reply to this

                  Hopefully, he will finally fire Mueller.  It is clearly a witch hunt, and anyone that can't see that is pretty much blind. The stock market is just fine. It would have to fall below 2,000 back to good old Obama days. He has a great cushion  ... LOL

                  https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/06/heres-h … rally.html

                  1. JAKE Earthshine profile image79
                    JAKE Earthshineposted 18 months agoin reply to this

                    lol, if he fires Mueller it would only equate to another count of obstruction of justice and trigger his indictment that much sooner, so we pray he does go unhinged as usual and do it: But being the megalomaniac that he is, a creature that has no reservations about instigating nuclear conflict brinksmanship with N Korea, that won't stop him because at this point, he probably truly believes he and his family can get away with anything including undermining and subverting the United States of America and collecting money from foreign enemies while holding public office, two reprehensible acts that I'm sure Vladimir Putin applauds every single day:

                    The stock market began to collapse a few months ago after mister 'big winning deals' went crazier than he already is by commencing an insane trade war and suggesting other madman policies: This fact is like all my facts, easily verifiable and anyone who has even a casual knowledge of the markets knows it's true:

                    President Obama stayed corporate interest rates at 35% and as a result, presided over 8 straight years of steady and strong stock markets gains and a record 84 months of job creation: He also maintained a position where Kim Jung Un was unable to perfect his long range missile capability: More facts that can easily be verified:

                    BTW, I agree, it's absolutely a 'witch hunt' and witches as we all know from Salem, can be very gruesome, demonic and dangerous for us humans:

                    https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/14024739_f1024.jpg

                2. wilderness profile image95
                  wildernessposted 18 months agoin reply to this

                  Yep.  He crashed the market, for sure!  Up 33% since elected a little over 2 years ago: he has most definitely crashed it!  People will be jumping out of windows next, for it puts the crash of '29 to shame.

                  Doesn't it bother you to put out information so obviously wrong?

                  Gotta love that "giving away our wealth", too, as if greedy liberals have an innate ownership of what others produce.

                  1. JAKE Earthshine profile image79
                    JAKE Earthshineposted 18 months agoin reply to this

                    DJIA corrected from roughly 26,000 in Jan. down to roughly 23,200 in may: Any expert would consider that a serious value loss correction or crash: I believe 2017 was the worst month on record for the Dow Jones: Facts are stubborn when they can be verified:

                    Maybe Spanky can win another prize for that amazing feat and place it next to his 'peace prize' for enticing a korean 'photo-op': lol: Anyone can easily research and verify my truth by going to any financial website that includes stock charts: I encourage it, It's pretty simple:

          2. Don W profile image82
            Don Wposted 18 months agoin reply to this

            Jong-un is just as juvenile, egotistical and petty as Trump, but he apparently understands that making a US president ("the mentally deranged U.S. dotard") come to his doorstep to ask for peace, is a win-win for him.

            If you think any of that makes Jong-un a "mastermind", then your standards for what constitute a mastermind are much lower than mine.

            And that's the problem with people like Trump and Jong-un. They lower the bar so much, when one of them does demonstrate some basic understanding of how reality works, it makes them look like a "mastermind" in comparison to how they usually are.

            1. mrpopo profile image73
              mrpopoposted 18 months agoin reply to this

              Yes, now he apparently understands that. Two days ago he didn't. Wilderness is right - it's remarkable how quickly North Koreans are able to progress in terms of technological and diplomatic prowess.

              If Jong-un is playing the US (and by extension, South Korea), by definition it makes him the mastermind behind this political manouver. Which again, is remarkable for someone who two days ago didn't understand the language of international politics.

              1. Don W profile image82
                Don Wposted 18 months agoin reply to this

                Understanding that a personal visit is a win-win for N. Korea does not constitute "diplomatic prowess". If you think it does, then again your standard for what constitutes "diplomatic prowess" is lower than mine.

                Yes Jong-un understands the visit is a win-win for him; no he does not understand the international language of diplomacy. These are not mutually exclusive. The former does not require the latter.

                "Mastermind" implies a complex or ingenious plan. What Jong-un has done could hardly be described as particularly complex or ingenious. And playing Trump requires neither. A sensible child could outplay Trump in politics.

                Massaging the ego of an egotist does not require complexity nor ingeniousness, nor an understanding of diplomatic language. All it requires is someone with a massive ego, and someone else with the desire to take advantage of them. Enter Donald J. Trump, Kim Jong-un.

                In addition to that you have the poor man torn between these two megalomaniacs, who is so desperate he'll try any amount of flattery on both of them: Poor president ("we think Mr. Trump deserves a Nobel. No we aren't just say that. We definitely truly believe it's true. Please don't start ww3 in my country!") Jae-in.

                1. mrpopo profile image73
                  mrpopoposted 18 months agoin reply to this

                  I never said the visit constitutes a state of diplomatic prowess. I said North Koreans progressed in terms of diplomatic prowess. In that scale they've climbed up a rung.

                  Yes, complex and ingenious plans are some of the things the word "mastermind" can imply. It's also defined (not implied) as someone who plans or carries out an idea or project. By your estimation, Jong-un created this situation for himself - thus, he's the mastermind behind that plan.

                  Also by your estimation is that neither Trump nor Jong-un did this as part of a plan to get the upper hand. Well, two days ago that was the case. Now Jong-un has seemingly done it to get a win-win situation for himself.

                  I'm eagerly awaiting the next chapter of this rationalization.

                  1. Don W profile image82
                    Don Wposted 18 months agoin reply to this

                    Once again, yes Jong-un understands the visit is a win-win for him; no he does not understand the international language of diplomacy. And once again, one does not require the other. That's why Trump's evident ignorance of what such a visit means is so remarkable.

                    So your reference to Jong-un as a "mastermind" was based on the fact he can have ideas and plan things. A 5 year old child can have ideas and plan things (or "mastermind" things as you would apparently say). But thanks for clarifying that your intended meaning is irrelevant to the subject at hand.

                    I've been very clear in my view: Donald Trump and Kim Jong-un's juvenile, egotistical, undiplomatic tom-foolery is part of a wider pattern of behaviour that suggests their outbursts are the result of a combination of personality flaws and lack of understating of the language of international diplomacy, rather than a deliberate attempt to subvert it. The fact Jong-un is able to take advantage of Trump's egotism, requires no special ability on his part.

                    Likewise, the fact they are both (for the moment) role-playing at being grown-ups, does not deserve the credit you seem keen to bestow. I predict a descent back to their usual juvenile selves, as soon as one of them gets tired of playing the "being grown ups" game. Based on previous form, I predict that will be a matter of weeks or months, not years.

                    I'd' like to say I "eagerly" await the next chapter in your attempt to wilfully miss the point, but I think it best not to lie.

  12. JAKE Earthshine profile image79
    JAKE Earthshineposted 18 months ago

    Oh yes, this beautiful piece of work deserves a prize alright:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX9reO3QnUA

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mH0c49Cm6TE

  13. Valeant profile image96
    Valeantposted 18 months ago

    The blind are the ones that are ignoring 11 members of the Trump team having contacts with Russians during the campaign, the changing of the GOP platform to favor Russian interests in Ukraine during the campaign, the mirroring of campaign talking points to correspond with wikileaks releases of hacked information by the Russians, the multiple failures of the Trump team to impose sanctions on Russia, and the firing of the FBI director who was running an investigation into those issues.

    1. jackclee lm profile image82
      jackclee lmposted 18 months agoin reply to this

      Meanwhile it was Hillary and the Clinton foundation that benefited with $ millions of donations and the Uranium one deal...
      You can meet with anyone but what was the collusion?
      What benefits were derived from these meetings?
      Was our election processed hindered in any way?
      Did any votes got changed as a result?
      What is it that is the underlying crime here.
      Please think hard...
      Otherwise, you are just another liberal suffering from TDS.
      When will this end?

  14. Valeant profile image96
    Valeantposted 18 months ago

    It's pretty obvious to most of us non-Trump loyalists, that in exchange for the hacked DNC information, the Trump campaign was going to soften sanctions on Russia, specifically the Magnitsky Act.  Likely one reason Trump has been extremely gun-shy about imposing sanctions on Putin.  And if you are so naive as to think that the release of the hacked DNC material and matching campaign rhetoric didn't sway votes, you more foregone than I thought.

  15. peoplepower73 profile image94
    peoplepower73posted 18 months ago

    According to Nobel's will, the Peace Prize shall be awarded to the person who in the preceding year "shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses".

  16. JAKE Earthshine profile image79
    JAKE Earthshineposted 18 months ago

    While Donny Valentino was doing this:
    https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/14039889.jpg

    N. Korea was perfecting this:
    https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/14039896.jpg

    N. Korea didn't obtain the technology for long range missile capability under President Obama, but he did acquire it under lazy boy Donny: So aside from the 'Nobel Peace Prize', what other kind of 'prize' should we give him? Indictment?

  17. JAKE Earthshine profile image79
    JAKE Earthshineposted 18 months ago

    lol, Nobel Peace Prize, Mr. Trump, lol: For what? Being played like a cheap $2 hillbilly fiddle by Kim Jung Un? How about for saying some White Nationalists are good people? lol,  I just hope some dummy didn't waste his time inscribing a prize with his name on it, everyone with even half a functioning brain knew N Korea would never in a million years give up the only thing that's keeping them on the map, their nukes:

    President Obama prevented N Korea from obtaining long range missile capability but Spanky failed like he has failed miserably to accomplish anything for the American people, maybe someday we'll elect another REAL President like Obama to negotiate a REAL Nuke Reduction or Elimination, if of course there's anything left to the United States by the time Spanky's tossed in prison:

    The summit might still happen so Kim can get another photo op of him with Bozo, but ain't no way Kim Jung Un dismantles nukes:


    http://www.theoaklandpress.com/general- … ver-drills

    https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/14046334.png

    1. Sharlee01 profile image86
      Sharlee01posted 18 months agoin reply to this

      No Jake,  NK worked hard to obtain long-range missile as a way to deliver their nuke over the past 30 years.  Trump has only been president for a short time. It took them years to develop their capability. We had three presidents that sat by and did nothing. Clinton, Bush, and Obama.

      1. JAKE Earthshine profile image79
        JAKE Earthshineposted 18 months agoin reply to this

        Well Sharlee01, I really can't recall a time when you were factually correct and this time is no different: Here's the dirty truth about your hero Donny Boy who sits around in a lazy stupor wasting our time constantly twittering or golfing or calling into fox fake channel in a cry baby sob-a-thon about the diminutive size of his hands while Kim Jung Un took advantage of the void in our white house by perfecting his long range missile capability, a capability which he didn't acquire under President Obama because he was real president with real responsibilities and a real brilliant mind:

        Donny is absolutely the worst in regards to national safety and security with more mass shootings and casualties during his time than any previous era: But what else could anyone possibly expect from a con-man who is now concentrating all his energy, what little he has left, on illegal conflict deals with our enemy China and collecting money from our adversaries? 

        Everyone knew this con man would be a disaster if he got into the white house and it's worse than anyone anticipated:

        How many prizes should we give him for that?

        1. Sharlee01 profile image86
          Sharlee01posted 18 months agoin reply to this

          Jake, anyone that reads your latest rant should be able to see what is and what isn't true. What's odd is you seem to believe your mistruths?

          1. JAKE Earthshine profile image79
            JAKE Earthshineposted 18 months agoin reply to this

            As usual, unlike Trump fans, I always have factual data to back me up: And once again, if anyone honestly believes Donny Boy will miraculously get Kim Jung Un to dismantle his nukes, I've got a nice expensive yet worthless trump university diploma to sell them:

            http://time.com/4965022/deadliest-mass- … s-history/

            http://money.cnn.com/2018/05/15/news/co … index.html

  18. profile image0
    ahorsebackposted 18 months ago

    Sharlee  ,  The  irony of the leftist "resistance ' is that the alternative to an actual impeachment for liberal American dreamers ; Becomes instantly a Mike Pence presidency !

    Need I say anything more ?

    But I will , If the spoiled rotten dreamers of Trump Resistance believes  they have problems now ?     What do they think would happen with a MORE traditionally conservative Pence presidency ? 

    OHhhhhh !....... Wonder how the infantile left will say to this ?

    Pence in 2024 ?

    1. Sharlee01 profile image86
      Sharlee01posted 18 months agoin reply to this

      Ahorseback,  Yes Pence would step in, however, those with TDS don't have the capability to understand that.  At any rate, in the past few days, the tables have certainly turned on the Dem's.  We now have the name of the informant the FBI sent in to spy on the Trump campaign.  The house of cards is falling...  This  Government corruption is going to be the worse we have ever had. And all to assure one more feather in Hillary Clinton's cap. Obama put his reputation on the wrong horse. This will be very interesting, but sad for the country.  The worse thing, this bunch had more than half the citizens buying into it.  Just does not say much about our society does it?

    2. JAKE Earthshine profile image79
      JAKE Earthshineposted 18 months agoin reply to this

      You're assuming phony Christian Pence will stay out of prison, with his close proximity to Mr. Trump and the criminal investigations expanding and closing in, that's a pretty shaky assumption:

      1. Sharlee01 profile image86
        Sharlee01posted 18 months agoin reply to this

        Do you ever stop insulting mere strangers?  Yes, they are closing in and it's not on anyone acquainted or associated with Trump.  It is very clear that a man (Stefan Halper)  has been identified as the person that was hired by the FBI to infiltrate the Trump campaign. A real name, a real human being.  It's clear many in the Obama administration have broken many laws and will be charged. Guess Horowitz uncovered more than just Hillary crimes? So, pleased he has wrapped up his investigation. Certainly did not take him long? However, I guess the Dem's made it very easy, never were to smart about hiding their tracks.   The Clinton house of cards is collapsing.  I have to give her credit, she sure is going out taking bang...  And all because she thought she deserved another feather in her cap.
        1. Hatch Act
        2. Logan Act
        3. Espionage Act
        3. Treason Act
        4. Democracy Act
        5. Ethics in Government Act

        1. JAKE Earthshine profile image79
          JAKE Earthshineposted 18 months agoin reply to this

          lol. well that's fine Sharlee01, so should Mr. Trump keep a few more prison bunks warm for his friends who should be joining him?:

          To all readers, I'm making my summer vacation plans too, I was thinking of N Korea this year since Mr. Trump has miraculously removed all the nukes, secured the country and swiftly converted Kim Jung Un and his nation into a model democracy: I figured why not, why not N Korea?

          Maybe I'll even be there when they award Donald that prize??

          1. Sharlee01 profile image86
            Sharlee01posted 18 months agoin reply to this

            Well Jake, I have been telling you it's always good to have a name and actual human being to back up facts.  His name is Stefan Halper he walks and talks. Unlike your "mysterious unnamed sources" dishing up innuendos.   One can't question those that don't exist...  Now, can they?  But this gentleman is alive and well. And I imagine seeking a good attorney.

            1. JAKE Earthshine profile image79
              JAKE Earthshineposted 18 months agoin reply to this

              Well, Sharlee01, if sources were named and publicized, I guess they wouldn't be sources any longer right? Just like our brave law enforcement, FBI and CIA agents who are under cover to protect America, you know the same agents Spanky Trump tries desperately to undermine, doing Vladimir Putin's bidding for him while loafing around almost every single day and just like the patriotic Americans working within this unprecedented insanely corrupt and dangerous white house who are so concerned and perhaps terrified of what they see happening around them, they feel it incumbent upon themselves to tell the world:

              They all need anonymity to provide the best and most accurate info to we the people, especially now, during this maniacally chaotic, treacherous and most unholy white house period in American history :

              Just remember, the best and most important information is disseminated by unnamed sources:

              lol, so how's that big de-nuking plan in N Korea coming along and when can we expect to attend that big bloviating 'prize' ceremony for Donny Boy'? Is it safe to make my summer vacation plans yet or is Kim Jung Un still playing Donald like that cheap home made $2 hillbilly fiddle?

              lol, Can a sing sing prisoner receive a special prize, or is it a requirement that he be free of conspiracy, obstruction, treachery, treason, constitutional violations and other misc investigations?

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            ahorsebackposted 18 months agoin reply to this

            Debating with a child  like mentality is generally useless but , When was the last time a sitting or past  president went to jail Jake ?  Answer , Ulysses Grant was arrested for driving his horse and buggy to fast too many times .

            That's it ,  So good luck arresting Trump there trooper .

  19. Sharlee01 profile image86
    Sharlee01posted 18 months ago

    Jake, with all of the revelations that have been released over the weekend, your comment is not even worth replying to.  It very much appears there will be many at the FBI and DOJ as well as CIA  will be soon indited for too many crimes to list. Guess we will have to wait until the Horowitz report has hit the fan. Plus,  I predict Mueller uncovered most of the crimes at the FBI, DOJ as well as the CIA.  Guess the Dem's should have never tried to save us all... LOL

    1. JAKE Earthshine profile image79
      JAKE Earthshineposted 18 months agoin reply to this

      lol, sorry Sharlee01, but you can't get indicted for doing your job, a critically important job at that like keeping a very close eye on an impostor presidential candidate who's campaign met with Russian spies on what turns out to be more than one occasion including at Trump Castle:

      If Donny Boy starts crying and whining and moaning, like he usually does all day in between trying to take away health insurance from our children, it will simply amount to another count of obstruction of justice:

      But hey, on the bright side, all those pesky nukes have been removed from N Korea right? lol

      1. Sharlee01 profile image86
        Sharlee01posted 18 months agoin reply to this

        "but you can't get indicted for doing your job,"  Yes Jake anyone can be indited when they break the law. I mentioned the laws that appear to have been broken by some employees of the FBI, CIA, DOJ. You might want to brush up on those laws.  The above-mentioned work for the people, they do not have the right to work for the presidential candidate of their choice. I might add all work under stringent rules and laws.  As I stated this will most likely be the biggest scandal America will have to endure.  All because the Dem's wanted to investigate a sitting president. It makes me wonder how much more foolish they could look?   You need to take time to stop ranting and do some real research.

        1. wilderness profile image95
          wildernessposted 18 months agoin reply to this

          Close but no cigar.  You are indicted when someone in power (judge, court, etc.) thinks you may have broken the law, and that there is enough evidence to let a jury sort through it for truth.

        2. peoplepower73 profile image94
          peoplepower73posted 18 months agoin reply to this

          Sharlee and anybody else who would like to answer:  A simple question, If Trump has nothing to hide and there was no collusion or wrong doings with the Russian's, why does he have to come up with all of these ploys to investigate the investigators and playing right on the edge of obstruction of justice?

          1. Sharlee01 profile image86
            Sharlee01posted 18 months agoin reply to this

            This is to easy.  He wants to get to the truth of what went on during the election, and he most defiantly wants to find and out just who perpetrated any crimes. It's that simple.  Keep in mind Trump could fire Mueller at any time, and he has not.  He is willing to put his own feet to the fire.  I don't buy that Trump is not firing Mueller because of "fallout". One can see Trump could care less about fallout.  In the end, Mueller will give the people a report.  I for one can't wait...  Putting two and two together, I think it may be Mueller as well as Horowitz that will bring this full circle, and it won't be Trump being indited.  It will be several employees from the FBI, CIA, as well as some of the Obama  DOJ.   "Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to deceive!"

  20. peoplepower73 profile image94
    peoplepower73posted 18 months ago

    Sharlee:  Why does he want to get to the "truth?"  He is already president.  According to him, he won fair and square.  He won't fire Muller because it would create an earthquake like we have never seen before.  Besides if he fires him, isn't that an admission of guilt?

    Trump is all about his self-image.  I don't think he would jeopardize that.  He has been down this path before, by claiming he should have won the popular vote from Hillary.  Then when he gets elected, the first thing he does is order an investigation of voter fraud.  What did the investigation find after many months of wasting tax payer's money?...nothing.

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      ahorsebackposted 18 months agoin reply to this

      First Trump would have won the pop vote if it wasn't rigged by the likes of sanctuary cities , a wide open border , states that allow driver licenses to illegals , etc......  And yet who needs the popular vote in the most perfectly designed election system on the planet .   As long as it's not corrupted by the left at least .Second , the investigations of the election fraud and DNC corruption , the origins of the FISA warrants etc.... are really just getting started , If I was Rosenstein , Comey , Mccabe , Strokk , and others , I'd be considering Mexico for a new home , real soon..

      1. Sharlee01 profile image86
        Sharlee01posted 18 months agoin reply to this

        Ahorseback, Hey don't send them to Mexico, I love Mexico and spend my winters there.  You know what, it is so clear some will not see the truth even if it is pretty clear. I have been asking the question that I think just might break through the shield of muddled thoughts that many seem to be afflicted with.

        "Do you think if Mueller found that the president broke the law and actually colluded with a foreign nation such as Russia, he would not charge him with good speed? Do you think he would shirk his duty, and let the president continue for over many months to make decisions that not only affect America but the world?  Common sense can be bitting, can it?

        Ahorseback, do you think I will receive any responses? I realize my question is actually brutal is it not?  LOL

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          ahorsebackposted 18 months agoin reply to this

          From John Brennan / Loretta lynch right on down through the entire DOJ , Comey , and the rest ,  We have to remember that these people were all very embedded -prepared for a Hillary  presidency , they were her people from the era of Bill Clinton  , the media also included itself in the conspiracy to ensure  that there could be no chance of anything but a coronation , What none of them planned on was the voter uprising of 2016 this uprising that saw Trump climb through the rubble of the election  as the winner.

          Trumps problem -He underestimated the depth of  implanted institutional corruption and should have fired all of these holdovers starting from the top and didn't .   The best part for the American people despite the media bias and attempted cover up ,the Obama sanctioned SHADOW conspiracy IS the self destructing  now that Trump walked into the room and turned on the lights .

          What they ALL forget  is that the president enjoys the position of not even having to answer to this conspiracy ,  Brennen , Lynch and Comey acted as if THEY were the elected leaders and Trump was their subject  however the lights are turned on bright and the rats are scurrying .

          1. jackclee lm profile image82
            jackclee lmposted 18 months agoin reply to this

            +++++

    2. Sharlee01 profile image86
      Sharlee01posted 18 months agoin reply to this

      "Why does he want to get to the truth".  Your either making a feeble attempt to twist my words or you misunderstood my comment?  I will assume the latter.

      " He wants to get to the truth of what went on during the election, and he most defiantly wants to find and out just who perpetrated any crimes." As you are well aware over the past few days it has come to light that the FBI had an agent infiltrate the Trump presidential campaign. An American and British intelligence agent by the name of Stefan Halper.  I would think he is disgusted with the hypocrisy of the Mueller investigation when has become very clear some in the Obama administration sought to skew the election.
      And they apparently did it using our most respected  Government agencies.  The Clinton's went out with a bang did they not?  This to me is a disgrace and will turn out to be the worse scandal we have had to endure.   And you said a mouthful when you said -  he won fair and square.

      One more thing, I have my own question. Do you think if Mueller found that the president broke the law and actually colluded with a foreign nation he would not charge him with good speed? Do you think he would shirk his duty, and let the president continue to make decisions that not only affect America but the world?  Common sense can be bitting, can it not?

      1. peoplepower73 profile image94
        peoplepower73posted 18 months agoin reply to this

        Sharlee01:  I don't know the answer to the questions in your last paragraph.  It is all based on constitutional law that requires experts to answer those questions.

        This is from the Washington Post:

        "In recent days, Trump has seized on the reports about Halper’s role in the Russia probe, suggesting in tweets that the FBI improperly spied on his campaign. There is no evidence to suggest Halper was inserted into the Trump campaign, but he did engage in a pattern of seeking out and meeting three Trump advisers."

        Seeking out and meeting three Trump advisers does not constitute spying.

        This is from the Guardian:
        "Sunday's Twitter order to commence a new investigation to smear the Obama administration is likely to backfire and extend the Mueller investigation. It may also cause Mueller to look at an interesting new idea -- was the presidential order to commence such a frivolous investigation itself really an attempt to block the progress of the Mueller investigation and obstruct justice?
        It might be the one piece of evidence needed by the independent counsel to prove corrupt intent as required by the obstruction of justice statute. The law of unintended consequences is a dangerous thing."

        1. Readmikenow profile image96
          Readmikenowposted 18 months agoin reply to this

          I wish the same level of scrutiny was given to the Clinton campaign. The evidence against her is overwhelming.  Laws were broken in this situation and and an investigation was done based on political bias.

          From the New York Post

          "The revelation, stemming from recent reports in which FBI sources admitted sending an agent to snoop on the Trump camp, heightens suspicions that the FBI was seeking to entrap Trump campaign aides."

          https://nypost.com/2018/05/19/cambridge … -campaign/

          From The Federalist "Name Crossfire Hurricane: The Secret Origins of the Trump Investigation,” is a dry and gentle account of the FBI’s launch of extensive surveillance of affiliates of the Trump campaign."

          https://thefederalist.com/2018/05/17/10 … -campaign/

          From New York Magazine "Only a handful of FBI agents knew the particulars of the inquiry, in stark contrast to the more wide-ranging investigation into Hillary Clinton’s emails. The informant was one part of the early, stutter-stop efforts to investigate possible collusion."

          http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/20 … -know.html

          1. JAKE Earthshine profile image79
            JAKE Earthshineposted 18 months agoin reply to this

            lol, I mean seriously dude, still not sick of dragging Bill and Hillary out of retirement and into these demonstrably false comparisons between them and corrupt elitist Wall Streeter Spanky Trump?

            Bill and Hillary are grand-parents in New York now, unless they actually are presidents somewhere in the Fox Fake Channel Universe, and they're not irrational, paranoid, delusional, angry racists with perhaps access to the nuke button like Mr. Trump is:

            You would think that people who hate the Clinton's so much would just leave them alone and move on into the future, a future which is as bleak and nightmarish as it could possibly get, we need your energy to repel Mr. Trump's evil, not obsess over the Clinton's past:

            Still making my plans for that summer vacation in N Korea though, got my tanning lotion, mosquito net, sweet and sour sauce and zoom camera ready: I heard Spanky went over there and removed all the nukes and now it's as safe as a baby's cradle and good to go: Maybe I'll get to see that big stupendous prize ceremony while I'm there, you know,when Kim Jung Un let's him have it:

            1. Sharlee01 profile image86
              Sharlee01posted 18 months agoin reply to this

              "You would think that people who hate the Clinton's so much would just leave them alone and move on into the future, "

              We have moved on. We now have a president that gets things done, keeps his promises, and will get to the bottom of the last Clinton scam. LOL You know Jake, it would have been nice if the Clinton's would settle for retirement, spending time with their grandkids. But unfortunately, once a grifter always a grifter. Although I have to give it to them...  They went out in a flurry of fan fair and took the Dem's with them. LOL Oh and Jake, don't be so fast to get your airfare to NK . They have much stricter immigration than we do. As do most countries. But hopefully, Trump will fix that too.

              1. JAKE Earthshine profile image79
                JAKE Earthshineposted 18 months agoin reply to this

                So far what has your Russian Poodle Mr. Trump gotten done? He gave trillions in corporate welfare tax cuts to his elitist Wall Street pals which will add 7 trillion to our debt over 10 years, he crashed the stock market and spiked gas prices while sabotaging our national healthcare system:

                A perfect agenda if you happen to be Vladimir Putin:

                1. Sharlee01 profile image86
                  Sharlee01posted 18 months agoin reply to this

                  I don't play the let me list Trump's accomplishments. Any fool can see he is doing a good job and those that don't. That's their problem.  You once again defer to another subject. Focus.

            2. Readmikenow profile image96
              Readmikenowposted 18 months agoin reply to this

              What is really strange is when Jake and some other liberals respond to me what comes up on my computer as their respons is "Duh, duh, dee, dooh, duh, duh." I may have some type of computer virus.  It's strange how it only happens when individuals like Jake and other liberals respond.  I think I should have my computer checked.

              1. JAKE Earthshine profile image79
                JAKE Earthshineposted 18 months agoin reply to this

                lol, Nope, not a computer virus, it sounds like you have TDS, 'Trump De-arrangement Syndrome": But don't worry readmikenow, you're probably not alone, I'd venture guess that when most Trump fans read they see the very same thing, "Duh, duh, dee, dooh, duh, duh."

              2. Sharlee01 profile image86
                Sharlee01posted 18 months agoin reply to this

                NO just imagine that while they Duh, duh, dee, dooh, duh, duh." they have their fingers stuck firmly in their ears... No virus, just a symptom that comes with their affliction, "Hatetrumpitis".

        2. Sharlee01 profile image86
          Sharlee01posted 18 months agoin reply to this

          "Seeking out and meeting three Trump advisers does not constitute spying."  This is most likely true. However, if the person was paid by one of our Government agencies it would be illegal.   This is what has been implied by vis leaks. I don't always rely on "what has been implied". And  I appreciate your references.

          " It may also cause Mueller to look at an interesting new idea -- was the presidential order to commence such a frivolous investigation itself really an attempt to block the progress of the Mueller investigation and obstruct justice?" The keyword "new idea", But perhaps not the idea that this article is implying.

          Just my opinion -  Its seems like this statement is once again a repetitive example of a theory that the media, as well as journalists,  have been famous fo. They making claims that Trump is perpetrating a ruse to interfere with the Mueller investigation.  This is getting old... Plus,  I do not think Trump would want any form of an investigation if he felt it could lead back to him.   As of today, the facts stand that the president has not obstructed the Mueller investigation, in any respect. He claims to have provided all documents that Mueller requested.  Yes, he certainly has been very verbal with his opinion of the investigation.

          "It might be the one piece of evidence needed by the independent counsel to prove corrupt intent as required by the obstruction of justice statute. The law of unintended consequences is a dangerous thing."      Yes, if the person that infiltrated the Trump campaigned was paid., this would certainly be the piece of evidence that most likely could prove obstruction, and could uncover the biggest scandal America has had to date.  Funny how one can stumble onto a theory, but the theory proves to be backward, upside down?

          Now, I am going out on a limb but I actually feel it very possible Mueller, along with Horowitz uncovered all of this mess.  I noted a couple weeks ago it was reported that Horowitz met Mueller. I believe it was reported just before he released his report on Mccabe.

          Let's go back a bit. April 13th - Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz just released a long-awaited watchdog report reviewing former Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe’s conduct before the 2016 presidential election.

          April 19th "The Justice Department's inspector general's office sent a criminal referral regarding Andrew McCabe, the former deputy FBI director, to the US attorney's office in Washington, DC. As of yet, no charges have been handed down.

          This past week Horowitz handed down his report on the way the FBI handled the Clinton Email case.    And now we see all leaks stopped except for the allegation of a spy infiltrating the Trump campaign. And we see the congress now asking for a Special Counsel to investigate the FBI and DOJ possible interference in the Trump campaign. McCabe if a big fish, and he has been netted. I think this may just unravel rather quickly...  The trail seems like an easy one to follow.  I think it stands to reason if Mueller had anything on Trump, he would be obligated to charge him.  If not I would think him derelict in his duty.

          1. peoplepower73 profile image94
            peoplepower73posted 18 months agoin reply to this

            Sharlee01:  The Muller investigation is ongoing.  We have to have patience, just like you are going to have patience for the Horowitz investigation.  Right now there is no culpable evidence about Obama inserting  spies into Trump's campaign.  The only thing we have is Trump's allegations in the form of tweets.

            Trump is known to create open-ended situations, where he states something that is never proven and no conclusions are ever given.  However, his supporters buy into it without  question.  He never admitted that Obama was not born in Kenya.  He never admitted that there was no voter fraud in his election.  Is that investigation still on going?  He was not wire tapped by Obama before the election.  Is that investigation still on going?  Where is the deep state?  Can it be proven?  These are just a few, but you get the picture.

  21. Sharlee01 profile image86
    Sharlee01posted 18 months ago

    Yes, the Mueller investigation goes on, and yes It will be interesting to at some point here his report.   Although the Horowitz report is in, and it will be a short time before we see that report. I agree there is no factual evidence that the Obama administration hired and paid a "spy" to infiltrate the Trump campaign. Although there is an actual person that has been accused.  It would seem this man will be questioned, and settle the question if he was paid, and why he made attempts to infiltrate the campaign.

    Not sure if there is or was a"deep state". I would think at some point if there was, it will be proven or disproven.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/16/politics … index.html

    1. JAKE Earthshine profile image79
      JAKE Earthshineposted 18 months agoin reply to this

      lol, if anyone is hunting for a 'deep stater', he or she had better take a good long look at this magnificent piece of work called 'batty' Rudy Giuliani, every time this walking disaster shows up on television and opens his mouth, you can hear Spanky Trump scream like a little girl from 10 miles away:

      So Mr. Trump's recklessly crazy 'fire and fury' nonsense didn't work, now he's in love with Kim Jung Un and wants to cuddle up to him: So what's next?, a Trump University Diploma?

      https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/14050493.png

  22. dogo365 profile image60
    dogo365posted 18 months ago

    Time will answer all

  23. Sharlee01 profile image86
    Sharlee01posted 18 months ago

    Jack, I president Trump came up with a true cure for Cancer. He would be shunned for " interfering with the balance of nature. Causing severe overpopulation"...  Trump haters have no other thing on their minds but things Trump. They would rather take a nuke than Trump solves the NK nuclear problem.  Let's pray he "panders to the cause of solving the biggest problem that we have ever faced.

    1. JAKE Earthshine profile image79
      JAKE Earthshineposted 18 months agoin reply to this

      Mr. Trump could care less about  providing healthcare to Americans, as a matter of fact, he uses television and the twit box and everything else humanly possible to sabotage our healthcare system which includes our children's essential medical treatments:

      Who honestly thinks he gives a damn about a cure for cancer? And no, N Korea will never give up nukes and long range missiles that Kim Jung Un perfected while Spanky Trump was pre-occupied with golf and stuffing his mouth with KFC, but they are demanding that the USA begin demilitarizing the region: We need a real president again to defuse the situation:

      1. Sharlee01 profile image86
        Sharlee01posted 18 months agoin reply to this

        No he could most likely not care about having the Government pick up paying for Healthcare. BRAVO...  Just one more reason he is president. By the way, we will have to wait and see if Trump solves the NK problem. My bet is on Trump. I am not one that likes to constantly wipe the egg off my face.

    2. peoplepower73 profile image94
      peoplepower73posted 18 months agoin reply to this

      Sharlee01 and Jack:  I don't like Trump because he is a chronic liar.  Everything he does and  says is based on marketing himself, even if it requires calling the real news the fake news and exaggerating to the point of lying all the time.   

      One of the main factors of being a president is about character and trust.  I can't trust Trump who has more positions than the Kama Sutra.  At least Obama had character and could be trusted.  Oh yes, he did say that if you liked your doctor, you get to keep him...big deal ! 

      If you only listen to Fox News, you will believe Obama is the worst president we have ever had.  But he was not a chronic liar.  He had no affairs, has only been married once, unlike Trump who lies everyday and has had several affairs while being  married to different women. 

      I guess you and Trump lovers are willing to overlook all of that because you think he did something noble by pardoning a black boxer from another time and place.  You do realize that Obama had Bin Laden killed don't you?,  but you are not willing to give him credit, because you are holding out for all the wonderful things that you think Trump is going to do...good luck with that.  His immigration policy has already lost track of 1,475 children.  How noble is that?


      https://wapo.st/2kt44ta?tid=ss_tw&u … 22789fe6bc

      1. wilderness profile image95
        wildernessposted 18 months agoin reply to this

        It's a horrible, evil thing, to have had multiple wives, isn't it?  Of course, half the nation has divorced and more have remarried after the death of their spouse, but it's evil.  20% cheat on their spouses, and more have an "open" marriage.

        The excuses just get more and more inane, don't they?

        1. jackclee lm profile image82
          jackclee lmposted 18 months agoin reply to this

          Yes, the hypocrisy of it all. They loved Bill Clinton even though he was a serial womanizer...
          Nothing Trump does is good enough. They choose to hear his words that makes him out to be a racist... ignore the things he has done to actually help the poor and the under priviledged...
          They say he called news fake. Well, some of it is faked. He was the only one brave enough to called them out on it. I wished Mitt Romney was so brave back in 2012.

        2. Sharlee01 profile image86
          Sharlee01posted 18 months agoin reply to this

          Yes, wilderness it gets deeper every day. And the dirt is getting so close to their necks... You would think they would just dig out, brush off, and move on. LOL. But is it not a bit fun to watch them squirm? Bringing up the same old rhetoric day after day. You  must admit it's great being on the right side from the get-go.

          1. peoplepower73 profile image94
            peoplepower73posted 18 months agoin reply to this

            Sharlee01:

            You people and your fear of socialism are stuck in the 1960s with Communism. Every time you hear of the government doing something for everybody, you try to relate it to socialism and a slippery slope to communism.  It turns out there are many things that are run more efficiently by the government than privatization. 

            Trump hires a person to tear down the EPA and another one who has no idea of what she is doing to run the department of education.  She has no experience whatsoever in the education field. 

            I live in the Southern California area and we have worked tirelessly to reduce smog and it has worked.  Now he wants to eliminate all of that by deregulating the EPA.   He deregulated the consumer protection agency which protected the truth in lending law...good luck now as you are exploited by your credit card companies. 

            You are right I do squirm with disgust every time Trump puts out tweets to discredit the media and Muller's investigation and promote himself.  He is right on the edge of violating the first amendment.  He is the one who is really squirming as the Muller investigation is getting closer to the truth.

            I suppose Obama accomplished all of this by leading from behind and playing low profile!

            https://www.good.is/articles/obamas-ach … -in-office

            1. jackclee lm profile image82
              jackclee lmposted 18 months agoin reply to this

              A good list...except many of the items mentioned were not accomplishments in Conservative views.
              For example, the ACA and the Iran Nuclear deal and the unconstitutional DACA executive order and the debt increasing omnibus budget...just to name a few.
              That is the problem in today’s political climate. There are real differences of policies and results.
              What is considered an accomplishment by one side is actually a deficit by the other.

              1. peoplepower73 profile image94
                peoplepower73posted 18 months agoin reply to this

                Jack:  Many of the so called accomplishments that Trump makes are not accomplishments in Liberal views as well

                What's really interesting is because Trump killed the Iran Nuclear deal, you think  it is now better for the world than when Obama cut the deal?  The only country it is better for is Israel.  The same thing with DACA because Trump is going to kill it, it is better for the our country?  How many executive orders has Trump signed since he has been in office compared to Obama for the same period.

                Because Obama put down Trump in the Foreign Press meeting  for accusing him of being born in Kenya,  Trump is on a mission of revenge to destroy everything that Obama did.  That is the kind of person he is.  It's all about revenge.  He can't stand to lose, even when he is wrong, he will never admit it.  Have you ever heard him say, he has made a mistake or been wrong  or apologized for anything? 

                You think a 1.6 Trillion dollar national debt and climbing is an accomplishment? 

                Accomplishments are like the difference of running on a treadmill as opposed to riding a bicycle.  When you run on a treadmill you are not making any forward progress.  When you ride a bicycle, you make forward  progress by peddling and maintain balance.  Trump runs on a treadmill.  Obama rode a bike.   If you people think that Kim is going to denuclearize, I think you better give it more thought.

                1. wilderness profile image95
                  wildernessposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                  "Many of the so called accomplishments that Trump makes are not accomplishments in Liberal views as well"

                  Glad you included the "in Liberal views", for that detail is quite important.

                  "Accomplishments are like the difference of running on a treadmill as opposed to riding a bicycle."

                  To continue the analogy, which is a better "accomplishment"?  Riding a bicycle over the cliff or running on a treadmill while  looking at the cliff?  The point is again the difference between liberal and conservative viewpoints; what is a cliff to the conservative is a difficult uphill climb to the liberal, but one which is a great accomplishment when the top is reached.

                  Switching to reality rather than analogy, which is an "accomplishment" - the President ignores congressional laws and welcomes millions of illegal aliens into the country or fixing a broken immigration system?

                  To convince a gullible, greedy public that they can have unlimited health care at someone else's cost, bankrupting the nation, or work within reality and offer only what is fiscally possible?

                  Just a couple of "accomplishments" the Obama's "bicycle" produced...as it went off the cliff edge.

                  1. JAKE Earthshine profile image79
                    JAKE Earthshineposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                    President Obama prevented Kim Jung Un from developing long range missile capability: That's back when we had a patriotic, intelligent thinking person in control:

                    Then, when Spanky Trump was given the keys to the white house by Vladimir Putin, his megalomania kicked into high gear and he became preoccupied to the point of obsession with his much smaller than average inauguration crowd size and hands which of course gave Kim Jung Un just enough time to accelerate his dark programs and perfect long range missile capability:

                    So no, liberals, progressives, Dems whatever you'd like to call the vast majority of Americans, do not consider this enormous Trump blunder to be an accomplishment:

            2. Sharlee01 profile image86
              Sharlee01posted 17 months agoin reply to this

              Peoplepowr, "You people" once again you imply a bias in your attitude, and border on a vague glib insult ...  Not sure why you feel you have the right to insult half the nation?   

              "Every time you hear of the government doing something for everybody, you try to relate it to socialism and a slippery slope to communism.  It turns out there are many things that are run more efficiently by the government than privatization. '

              Really, please name one. You are being very vague.  I will await your example, please don't deflect.

              "Trump hires a person to tear down the EPA and another one who has no idea of what she is doing to run the department of education.  She has no experience whatsoever in the education field. "

              Please research the failing literacy rate under the  Obama years. The stats got much worse over the Obama years.    Hopefully, President Trump's guidance will work hard to increase the failing numbers. In regards to Betsy DeVos, you are incorrect in your assessment of her qualifications. Secretary DeVos has been involved in education policy for over 30 years. She has been an advocate for children and a voice for parents for decades.  She had a reputation for being passionate to bring about reforms that will help underserved children gain access to a quality education. A good example of her good work is her devotion and ultimate success to bring the charter school to Detroit. Which is very successful. I suggest before condemning her, you give her just a bit of time to do her job. She is clearly educated and experienced in the field of education. One could say education has been one of her passions.

              https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/ … 80355.html

              https://www2.ed.gov/news/staff/bios/devos.html?src=hp

              "You are right I do squirm with disgust every time Trump puts out tweets to discredit the media and Muller's investigation and promote himself.  He is right on the edge of violating the first amendment.  He is the one who is really squirming as the Muller investigation is getting closer to the truth."

              I do not squirm every time president Trump tweets.  I like the transparency and his outspoken nature. As rule, I appreciate his candor.  It gives me a window into his true opinion. As a rule, he shows a very common sense opinion. Which I find refreshing.  In regard to the Mueller investigation. The fact is president Trump has not fired him or charged him. I will hold out my opinion of the investigation until I hear the final report.  Now to share my opinion. I think the Mueller investigation uncovered the FBI, CIA, DOJ  for lack of a better word "funny Bussiness". I think the Dem's once again will have one of their shady deals turn and bite them...  We will have to wait and see... But very curious this latest scandal of 'spying" came to light right after Horowitz met with Mueller a couple of weeks ago? I think between the two investigations they ran the 'wrong skunk to  ground...  For some that live their lives on conspiracy theories, this is a plausible one.

              1. peoplepower73 profile image94
                peoplepower73posted 17 months agoin reply to this

                S: Peoplepowr, "You people" once again you imply a bias in your attitude, and border on a vague glib insult ...  Not sure why you feel you have the right to insult half the nation?
                M:  You call it insult.  I call it insight.   

                M1: "Every time you hear of the government doing something for everybody, you try to relate it to socialism and a slippery slope to communism.  It turns out there are many things that are run more efficiently by the government than privatization. '

                S: Really, please name one. You are being very vague.  I will await your example, please don't deflect.

                M:  How about for openers all the federal government agencies that keep us safe including the FDA, FCC, FAA,  DOT, ATF, CDC, and  USDA, just to name a few. How about local law enforcement and fire fighters.  On the west coast, we are subject to huge wildfires that require firefighters to come in from several states.Oh, that's right that is socialism.

                "Trump hires a person to tear down the EPA and another one who has no idea of what she is doing to run the department of education.  She has no experience whatsoever in the education field. "

                S: Please research the failing literacy rate under the  Obama years. The stats got much worse over the Obama years.
                M:  I did the research and could not find anything about Obama literacy rates.  Please enlighten me.

                S: Hopefully, President Trump's guidance will work hard to increase the failing numbers. In regards to Betsy DeVos, you are incorrect in your assessment of her qualifications. Secretary DeVos has been involved in education policy for over 30 years. She has been an advocate for children and a voice for parents for decades.  She had a reputation for being passionate to bring about reforms that will help underserved children gain access to a quality education. A good example of her good work is her devotion and ultimate success to bring the charter school to Detroit. Which is very successful. I suggest before condemning her, you give her just a bit of time to do her job. She is clearly educated and experienced in the field of education. One could say education has been one of her passions.

                M: Sorry, this link doesn't work...https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/ … 80355.html

                M:  This is her website.  Do you think they would put anything negative about her on her own site?  Please don't insult my intelligence.
                https://www2.ed.gov/news/staff/bios/devos.html?src=hp

                M1:"You are right I do squirm with disgust every time Trump puts out tweets to discredit the media and Muller's investigation and promote himself.  He is right on the edge of violating the first amendment.  He is the one who is really squirming as the Muller investigation is getting closer to the truth."

                S: I do not squirm every time president Trump tweets.  I like the transparency and his outspoken nature. As rule, I appreciate his candor.  It gives me a window into his true opinion. As a rule, he shows a very common sense opinion.

                M:  Yes, his candor serves as a wonderful role model as he insults and lies every chance he gets.  He served as a great role model for Roseann Barr as her show was just cancelled by ABC  for a tweet saying that Valerie Jarrett was the product of the "Planet of the Apes" and an Islamist political group.  You see, when you have a president who makes it O.K. to insult people he does not agree with, it has consequences, whether you like it or not.

                S: Which I find refreshing.  In regard to the Mueller investigation. The fact is president Trump has not fired him or charged him. I will hold out my opinion of the investigation until I hear the final report.  Now to share my opinion. I think the Mueller investigation uncovered the FBI, CIA, DOJ  for lack of a better word "funny Bussiness". I think the Dem's once again will have one of their shady deals turn and bite them...  We will have to wait and see... But very curious this latest scandal of 'spying" came to light right after Horowitz met with Mueller a couple of weeks ago? I think between the two investigations they ran the 'wrong skunk to  ground...  For some that live their lives on conspiracy theories, this is a plausible one.

                M:  Why isn't there any solid evidence?  All you hear is one of Trump's "many people have told me so."  phrases,  which is a distraction technique that he used on Obama being born in Kenya and voter fraud.   So much for him being candid and forthright.

                1. Sharlee01 profile image86
                  Sharlee01posted 17 months agoin reply to this

                  "I call it insight."  And you feel I must respect your insight? I find your definition of insight is far from mine. I find your insight vague and riddled with your own strong opinions. I find your that opinions are shallow, and just have no real substance in truth.

                  Your examples of Government agencies are almost funny (FDA, FCC, FAA,  DOT, ATF, CDC, and  USDA). Each and every one is badly flawed.  The FDA just for one. How do you like all the healthy food on our grocery shelves?  Did you ever realize many countries will not buy our food due to what we allow them?  Such as Canada, and yes Mexico.   And how about the levels of contaminants that the FDA find safe for our drinking water?    I could dispute each and every one of the agencies you so quickly listed.  In regards to the police and firefighters are not Federal Government agencies.

                  Roseann Barr, has a right to free speech. We may not like it, and we have the right to condemn or give an opinion on the subject.

                  " You see, when you have a president who makes it O.K. to insult people he does not agree with, it has consequences, whether you like it or not."    Do you find it suitable that many on this very blog insult the president openly calling vile name? Do you think it acceptable to use the term "you people"  as you insinuate your opinion should be the last word on a given subject? This to me is hypocritical.

                  I realize it is very hard to see your opinion can be argued. But we all have an opinion, and I just, in this case, do not agree with yours.

      2. Sharlee01 profile image86
        Sharlee01posted 18 months agoin reply to this

        Peoplepower, I don't like former president Obama due to his record. It is my opinion he was a do-nothing president. I have nothing to say in regards to his personal life or his character. He seemed to be of good character, and it also appeared he lived a respectable life. In regard to trust, and being honest, Obama  was not a "saint". he was a politician.  No one network aided me in my opinion of Obama. I formed my opinion strictly on his job performance.

        And no it appears Obama had no affairs, has only been married once.  A won't even quote our Divorce rate.  We that voted for Trump are very aware he has been married 3 times, and that he was a womanizer.   We voted for his agenda. Not sure why this is so incomprehensible to many? To many, it appeared the country was headed down a path that was leading to socialism. As you see we fought back.  Many of us do not want  Government control of our every move or handouts that amount to as Nancy Pelosi's said "crumbs"...I am proud, hardworking, accomplished, and like to dictate my own destiny. This is what America always offered. And I for one am not willing to see it stand for anything else.

        "I guess you and Trump lovers are willing to overlook all of that because you think he did something noble by pardoning a black boxer from another time and place."

        You know what yes we can overlook a lot, and you know why? Because as I stated in my last post, Obama certainly could have pardoned this man or as you referred to him "a black boxer". Guess if I  made such a statement you may have labeled me a racist? 

        " You do realize that Obama had Bin Laden killed don't you?   but you are not willing to give him credit, because you are holding out for all the wonderful things that you think Trump is going to do..."

        I felt this is one of a very short list Obama can add to his pitiful legacy. I certainly was pleased and gave Obama and his administration credit because it was due. Trump has been doing a wonderful job, and it is a shame you are unable to give him credit when it is clearly due. One almost looks foolish to continue with such hate for a man that is doing a fine job, fine character or not, he is doing what he promised.

        " His immigration policy has already lost track of 1,475 children.  How noble is that?" Do you even know how many children came in on Obamas time, and slipped through the cracks?  My god, hat a statement, and boy did you fall into it....

        Trump has been working on these problems from his first week in office. Trump is working under Obamas and Bushs failed immigration policies. And fighting a congress that for over to many years have been making promises to change these failed policies, Rep's and Dem's alike.  He is working like hell to change them.  And you know what, he will. Please remember I said that. because yes I put faith in the President because I am pulling for America, not a failed party.

  24. Castlepaloma profile image73
    Castlepalomaposted 18 months ago

    Please give me the Nobel Peace prize!!!

    I won many world Championships and achieved many world records in my many different sculpting medians.

    In the entire process, I have not killed or harmed one person. Where as US presidents gives orders to kill millions of people and continue to become more evil each election since I have been alive. Who could be a worst candidate for a Noble Peace and a Corperations to boot.

    I promise to care about the majority of Americans, they don't.

  25. peoplepower73 profile image94
    peoplepower73posted 17 months ago

    Sharlee01:  What would you like me to say, instead of you people?  Just think what life would be like without the FAA, the FCC, USDA and many others.  There would be no regulations for safety of flights.  There would be no regulations for broadcasts.  Without the FDA there would be no regulation of drugs.  Without the CDC there would be no regulation for disease control.

    You may find they are flawed, but life for most people without them would be terrible.  You asked for examples of government that could handle things better than privatizing.  You don't think firefighters and law enforcement are under government control.  They are, but they are local governments.

    Yes, I do see those that do insult the president by calling him names, but by the same token the president is a master at calling people names.  That is part of his marketing ploy is to label those who do not agree with him or those he wants to counter-punch (his words).  Do you think it is right to call the media the fake news?  That is wrong on so many levels. So it's O.K. for Roseanne to have a right to free speech, but not the  media, unless it is Sean  Hannity and Fox News.

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      ahorsebackposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      "........calling the media fake media , so wrong on so many levels ........"   , really  Peoplepower ?
      Those  ambulance chasers ?  What are you a reporter , a  journalist ?

      If one feels the need to defend a dying news media that has essentially committed moral ,ethical and truth suicide ?  I suppose we could give the news media a little credit , right ?............................Nope !   Friend of mine recently told me he just sold his TV and doesn't miss it a bit , I would do the same  but I don't live alone .

      1. Sharlee01 profile image86
        Sharlee01posted 17 months agoin reply to this

        ahorseback, Can you believe the government agencies that peoplepower  used as examples of good government outreach?   As a rule anytime to government have their grubby mitts in any public services they screw it up. Just think Obamacare...   I have become disgusted by the vague analogies.

        1. jackclee lm profile image82
          jackclee lmposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          This forum has drifted away from the original topic. The discussion is would Trump receive the Nobel Peace prize?
          Perhaps it is premature but the discussion is still valid.
          Would another president, not Name Trump, be given the same consideration?
          For peoplepower and other TDS sufferers, please just take a breath and relax. Trump may not be the president you wished or hoped for, but he is not the devil or evil tyrant you make him out to be...

          1. Castlepaloma profile image73
            Castlepalomaposted 17 months agoin reply to this

            Nobel Peace Prize anyone here thinks a President should win the grand Prize
            Barack Obamas getting awarded harms, their organization credibility. How can you bomb seven countries and double the national debt and be considered honorable.  Trump too, hugely increase military spending. Promises to eliminate the national debt wail increasing it to 21 trillion.

            Your lucky if any president makes 25℅ of their promises, where I make all of my promises. Why would anyone follow world champion BSers like most of you here. If anyone thinks Obama or Trump deserve a Nobel Peace prize, you have lost your scruples. They are the worst candidate imaginable.

            From world travel there are other better example of honest media, healthy Governments, happier lifestyle and freeer countries than America. American won't learn or grow a balance until they loose their empire owned by the wealthy.

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          ahorsebackposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          Peoplepower served a career in the military and deserves respect for that however naive he may be to the rest of the government offices and institutional apathy and corruption  ,   I love my country but despise these government institutions that " spend money like  drunken sailors "  suffer incredible "union " employee apathy and discourse , never solve ANY of the intended purposes of their creation and only cost us incredibly and NOW have been ideologically compromised .
          What scandals they ask ?
          -IRS-   Tax obstructions of tea party and conservative groups
          -ATF -  Fast and furious
          -DOJ - Tarmac meetings etc....
          -FBI -   Comey and the gang
          -ICE -   Catch and release, MS -13
          - on and on , Thank You Obamainsky,

          https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/14060229.jpg

      2. peoplepower73 profile image94
        peoplepower73posted 17 months agoin reply to this

        ahorseback: 

        A: : "........calling the media fake media , so wrong on so many levels ........"   , really  Peoplepower ?
        Those  ambulance chasers ?  What are you a reporter , a  journalist ?

        M:   In a sense, I'm an investigative reporter on hub pages.  I have written many political articles that require research and analysis in order to put the pieces of the puzzle together.  The article I wrote on Cambridge Analytica put me way ahead of the game. Steve Bannon, Alexander Nix, and Alexander Kogan will all have their day in court.

        A:If one feels the need to defend a dying news media that has essentially committed moral ,ethical and truth suicide ?  I suppose we could give the news media a little credit , right ?............................Nope !   Friend of mine recently told me he just sold his TV and doesn't miss it a bit , I would do the same  but I don't live alone .

        M:  So you think the main stream media is dying and it is O.K. for Trump to call  it fake news while Trump takes his cues from Sean Hannity who's only qualification  was being  a bartender. 

        Please tell me how has the MSM committed moral and ethical truth suicide?  I can use those same words to describe Trump's daily life, except for the suicide part.  He has brainwashed you people to protect him. Spygate and witch hunt are words that resonate with your side.  Well Mueller has already indicted 17 of Trump's witches.

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          ahorsebackposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          Peoplepower , One , Your political party should be proud in one sense , you almost got what you wanted ,   With the inclusion and direction of the upper echelon of the Obama administration , the elitist  intellectual academia  that bore him ,  the integrity , honesty and neutrality of the news media that your party bought for a song and the attempted manifest destruction of the US constitution and all its traditions . 

          Stage two , Had Hillary not been so incredibly lazy and actually "done the work " of simply visiting  the "rust belt states "  and not been hated in the Clintons Ark. and related  south , the next eight years would have been a total destruction of traditional two party politics in America ,  The courts would have been compromised for decades ,  the middle east would be at war with everyone and probably we'd be at the doorstep of nuclear war . At least a dirty bomb war .     The alternative to the above would have been a Sanders socialism victory similar to something between Norway and Venezuela but definitely a failing entitled state .

          Muller is about to see the backside of his zenith , out of what ?  23 investigators  18 are democrats ? ---  and this is where you come in calling him a hero out fighting against all odds , BUT a "hero "about to enter his declining investigation - His Result ;   -- "Trumps people came dangerously close to foreign collusion because of their collective lacking of experienced diplomacy and inexperience in politics  , not however intentional Russian / Trump collusion . " all non prosecutable non indictable . NOW this,  is where the real" rubber hits the special investigation road ";    Now we begin the investigative indictments of the Obama sanctioned ,inner  departmental US government conspiracy to affect a campaigning candidate by a sitting US president and his minions against another candidate . Good luck with that one .

          Now , among  some of your own words , the "  big blue wave " this November , if you are lucky , is going to be miniscule for democrats  . Because of your arrayed and nonsensical party's fake obstructions , blind Trump resistance , phony outrages , "plasticized" legal charges  against  Trump ,  you will be very lucky to hold ANY political capital in or by December .   ----and Your media is already projecting this .
          But good luck, you will need it .

          So tell us all again  , Who is delusional ?

          1. peoplepower73 profile image94
            peoplepower73posted 17 months agoin reply to this

            ahorseback:
            A: Peoplepower , One , Your political party should be proud in one sense , you almost got what you wanted ,   With the inclusion and direction of the upper echelon of the Obama administration , the elitist  intellectual academia  that bore him ,  the integrity , honesty and neutrality of the news media that your party bought for a song and the attempted manifest destruction of the US constitution and all its traditions . 
            M:  The destruction of the Constitution is a gross exaggeration.  You know it and I know it.  Trump is teaching you well.

            A: Stage two , Had Hillary not been so incredibly lazy and actually "done the work " of simply visiting  the "rust belt states "  and not been hated in the Clintons Ark. and related  south , the next eight years would have been a total destruction of traditional two party politics in America ,  The courts would have been compromised for decades ,  the middle east would be at war with everyone and probably we'd be at the doorstep of nuclear war . At least a dirty bomb war .     The alternative to the above would have been a Sanders socialism victory similar to something between Norway and Venezuela but definitely a failing entitled state .

            M:  Nice try at trying to overwhelm me with past hypothetical BS, but you can't prove one way or the other. As far as destroying the two party system, that is precisely what we have today, a republican congress and republican Supreme Court, forever.  You have no one to blame from this point forward.  But I'm sure you will try to blame Obama, Hillary, and all of us evil democrats.

            A: Muller is about to see the backside of his zenith , out of what ?  23 investigators  18 are democrats ? ---  and this is where you come in calling him a hero out fighting against all odds , BUT a "hero "about to enter his declining investigation - His Result ;   -- "Trumps people came dangerously close to foreign collusion because of their collective lacking of experienced diplomacy and inexperience in politics  , not however intentional Russian / Trump collusion . " all non prosecutable non indictable .

            M: I never called Mueller a hero.  I think of him more as mole, who is going to surface one day. Then why are 17 of Trump's people indicted? 

            A: NOW this,  is where the real" rubber hits the special investigation road ";    Now we begin the investigative indictments of the Obama sanctioned ,inner  departmental US government conspiracy to affect a campaigning candidate by a sitting US president and his minions against another candidate . Good luck with that one .

            M:  Spygate and the deep state are all made up entities to take the focus off of the Mueller investigation. The deep state is Hannity's concoction who is a non government person who advises the President of the United States of America. . Where is the hard evidence?  Talk about messing with the Constitution, Trump now wants Session to recuse himself.  You and I both know that is against the law.

            A: Now , among  some of your own words , the "  big blue wave " this November , if you are lucky , is going to be miniscule for democrats  . Because of your arrayed and nonsensical party's fake obstructions , blind Trump resistance , phony outrages , "plasticized" legal charges  against  Trump ,  you will be very lucky to hold ANY political capital in or by December .   ----and Your media is already projecting this .
            But good luck, you will need it .
            So tell us all again  , Who is delusional ?

            M:  I never said the "big blue wave"  I never said you were delusional. But now that you mention it...

            ahorseback and all you Trump lovers out there, here is the bottom line.  When Obama was in office, it was all about hope and change for a black man  being a success as president.  Now Trump is in office, it is all about hope and change for a white man to succeed.  However you guys are willing to overlook all the bad qualities of this person, because you are hoping for change and that his agenda works. Just as Mitch McConnell wanted Obama to be a one term president.  I want Trump to also be a one term president. 

            In Trump's latest rally yesterday, he accuses Nancy Pelosi of being an MS-13 lover.  I'm sure that resonates with all you Trump lovers out there and that you actually believe him.  This confirms my statements about Trump labeling people to diminish their worth and brainwashing his supporters.  He also said that Mexico is going to pay for the wall...good luck with that.  But you people won't question that, because you are all about his agenda succeeding, in spite of all his lying.

            Jack Lee is right.  This forum has gotten off track.  It is about Trump being worthy of the Nobel Peace Prize.  In my humble opinion, I say he is not worthy of the Peace Prize and by now I'm sure you understand my reasoning...end of story.

            1. Castlepaloma profile image73
              Castlepalomaposted 17 months agoin reply to this

              Since number of Jews who have won Nobel Prizes is phenomenally high.” and Islam is phenomenal low. Just bypass Trump 1000℅ support for Isreal and keep giving to the group with the most blood on their hands.

              1. jackclee lm profile image82
                jackclee lmposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                Jews have a high percentage of winning nobel prize in sciences...
                What does that prove?
                Your focus on race is extreme.
                Sometimes, race has little to do with it.
                There is no law that say you have to have equal proportions of each race...getting awards or going to jail...
                Those who look for race in everything are in for a huge disappointment.

                1. Readmikenow profile image96
                  Readmikenowposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                  I would like someone to show me the significant contributions in the world of science, literature, etc. done by Islam since the 19th century.  Something worthy of consideration for a Nobel Prize.  Anwar Sadat was a co-winner of a Nobel Peace Prize...and other Arabs killed him.  Specific examples only.  Waiting.

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image73
                    Castlepalomaposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                    Being a history buf and world traveling artist all my aldult life. I'm very good with world event puzzles.
                    There are the ethical Jews and the fake Jews like 80℅ of them in Isreal
                    Pretty well all US Congress is  either Jewish or Christians as you are all scripted from the OT to NT forming the NWO, UN and sold out Nobel.
                    Thank goodness for BRICS..


                    Follow the Zionist hire Military assassin trail, that grew from heads of State in Russia. To the Zionist bankers and Oil kings in the US. Winton Churchhill negotiation for Isreal came out of world war 2 with Rockefeller and Rothschilds in the back pocket. As the story continues as all roads lead to Jewish taxes and licences.

            2. Sharlee01 profile image86
              Sharlee01posted 17 months agoin reply to this

              Peoplepower, It is very obvious you are drowning with your response to ahorseback.  You literally fell into a deep hole with nothing put a flurry of words that said - nothing... and resorted to mistruths.

              PP " I never called Mueller a hero.  I think of him more as mole, who is going to surface one day. Then why are 17 of Trump's people indicted?  "
                 
              SL 17?  Four...  Manafort, Fylnn, George Papadopoulos, and Rick Gates.  "Trumps people"?

              PP "In Trump's latest rally yesterday, he accuses Nancy Pelosi of being an MS-13 lover. ".

              SL  You are most likely aware of her glib statement on Trump's "Animal" statement.  She claimed yes that all human beings have "a spark of divinity in every person on Earth." Now we both know what she was referring to, and hat she meant. It was not meant to support their violence.

              But let's have a look at the statement Trump made about the protesters in  Charolet NC. His statement led to him being called a racist as well as a Nazi lover, and white supremacist. His statement. "And I am sure some were good people".  If one were to listen to the entire statement or read his statement in full, one could have clearly surmised he was talking about the people that lived in Charolt NC and were there that night to protest the removal of the statue.  Yet, the left still today depict he was making a racist statement.  The left seems to be able to see things clearly when they choose to.  IT's called hypocrisy.



              PP"As far as destroying the two party system, that is precisely what we have today, a republican congress and republican Supreme Court, forever.  You have no one to blame from this point forward."

              SL With president Trump accomplishing the change that he promised in his campaign agenda, yes the two-party system is on shaky ground. And whether you want to admit it or not, Obama had the biggest in putting the country on the shaky ground. As well as a big part of why the people became so dissatisfied with status quo and voted for change.   

              PP  " ahorseback and all you Trump lovers out there, here is the bottom line.  When Obama was in office, it was all about hope and change for a black man  being a success as president."

              SL Race should have never come into consideration when choosing a president. A president needs to be able to lead the country. Obama did not have the experience or innate ability to lead the country. He actually did a poor job as a senator.  Always lying low, just as he did as president. He did nothing for the black man. And in regard to Trump, he has promised to be the voice of all the people. He has not caused division. People like you have caused division. And you did it by twisting the president's words at every opportunity.

              PP   "I want Trump to also be a one term president. "

              SL  Why? With president Trump accomplishing so much. Why?  Obama had nothing to list as real accomplishments,? It was clear after his first term he was a do-nothing well-spoken president.

              PP  "This forum has gotten off track.  It is about Trump being worthy of the Nobel Peace Prize.  In my humble opinion, I say he is not worthy of the Peace Prize and by now I'm sure you understand my reasoning...end of story."

              SL  You have given your opinion.   In my opinion president Trump should receive the Nobel Peace Prize for his work to obtain a denuclearization of North Korea, and bring peace to the region.

              Your statement drips of anger, and hypocrisy.  It was not Trump supporters that led the conversation off track. It was many that took it upon themselves to belittle the president, deface him in repulsive photos, and post comments that held no actual content. 

              It's very clear that when faced with the truth this type of person takes refuge on a faulty pedestal of fluffy nonsensical words, due to being uneducated in the facts of a given subject they re commenting on.

              1. Castlepaloma profile image73
                Castlepalomaposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                Be brave.

                Who is this nonsensical, uneducated person who has no or very facts on what he is commenting on?

                Don't you love a free America?

              2. peoplepower73 profile image94
                peoplepower73posted 17 months agoin reply to this

                Sharlee01:

                SL:Peoplepower, It is very obvious you are drowning with your response to ahorseback.  You literally fell into a deep hole with nothing put a flurry of words that said - nothing... and resorted to mistruths.

                M:  That is only your opinion.  You can shade it any way you want.

                PP " I never called Mueller a hero.  I think of him more as mole, who is going to surface one day. Then why are 17 of Trump's people indicted?  "
                   
                SL 17?  Four...  Manafort, Fylnn, George Papadopoulos, and Rick Gates.  "Trumps people"?

                M:  You are right I was wrong.  Actually, there are 21 known indictments and plea deals in Mueller’s probe. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics … grand-jury

                PP "In Trump's latest rally yesterday, he accuses Nancy Pelosi of being an MS-13 lover. ".

                SL  You are most likely aware of her glib statement on Trump's "Animal" statement.  She claimed yes that all human beings have "a spark of divinity in every person on Earth." Now we both know what she was referring to, and hat she meant. It was not meant to support their violence.

                M:  This is what she said:  ""When the president of the United States says about undocumented immigrants, 'these are not people, these are animals,' you have to wonder, does he not believe in the spark of divinity? In the dignity and worth of every person? 'These are not people, these are animals,' from the president of the United States."  Does that mean she loves MS-13 people? To you and Trump, it probably does.

                SL: But let's have a look at the statement Trump made about the protesters in  Charolet NC. His statement led to him being called a racist as well as a Nazi lover, and white supremacist. His statement. "And I am sure some were good people".  If one were to listen to the entire statement or read his statement in full, one could have clearly surmised he was talking about the people that lived in Charolt NC and were there that night to protest the removal of the statue.  Yet, the left still today depict he was making a racist statement.  The left seems to be able to see things clearly when they choose to.  IT's called hypocrisy.

                M:  Here is the entire statement :  You tell me, it was just about Charlotte.

                "We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence, on many sides. On many sides. It's been going on for a long time in our country. Not Donald Trump, not Barack Obama. This has been going on for a long, long time."

                PP"As far as destroying the two party system, that is precisely what we have today, a republican congress and republican Supreme Court, forever.  You have no one to blame from this point forward."

                SL With president Trump accomplishing the change that he promised in his campaign agenda, yes the two-party system is on shaky ground. And whether you want to admit it or not, Obama had the biggest in putting the country on the shaky ground. As well as a big part of why the people became so dissatisfied with status quo and voted for change.

                M:  Really, Obama inherited a sick economy from Bush and after 8 years was able to get it on solid ground.  What you are seeing now is the trends that were the results of the policies set in motion  by Obama.  And as always Trump finds a way of convincing his people that he did it and will selfishly take credit for it.  When Trump was campaigning, he was saying the unemployment rate was at 42%.  As soon as he took, office it magically dropped to 4%, which was the real rate under Obama.

                PP  " ahorseback and all you Trump lovers out there, here is the bottom line.  When Obama was in office, it was all about hope and change for a black man  being a success as president."

                SL Race should have never come into consideration when choosing a president. A president needs to be able to lead the country. Obama did not have the experience or innate ability to lead the country. He actually did a poor job as a senator.  Always lying low, just as he did as president. He did nothing for the black man.

                M:  Really, he was not qualified to be President, even though he was a Professor of  Constitutional Law?  Please tell me what qualifications does Trump have to be president?  Your mantra of mimimizing Obama's efforts is getting boring.  It is nothing more than propaganda right out of the Fox News, Right wing playbook.

                SL: And in regard to Trump, he has promised to be the voice of all the people. He has not caused division. People like you have caused division. And you did it by twisting the president's words at every opportunity.
                M:  Sure he has not caused division by calling the MSM the fake news and liars.  He has divided the country into anus and them mentality that is very dangerous for the republic.

                PP   "I want Trump to also be a one term president. "

                SL  Why? With president Trump accomplishing so much. Why?  Obama had nothing to list as real accomplishments,? It was clear after his first term he was a do-nothing well-spoken president.

                M:  Again boring, right out of the playbook

                PP  "This forum has gotten off track.  It is about Trump being worthy of the Nobel Peace Prize.  In my humble opinion, I say he is not worthy of the Peace Prize and by now I'm sure you understand my reasoning...end of story."

                SL  You have given your opinion.   In my opinion president Trump should receive the Nobel Peace Prize for his work to obtain a denuclearization of North Korea, and bring peace to the region.

                M:  Good luck with that

                SL: Your statement drips of anger, and hypocrisy.  It was not Trump supporters that led the conversation off track. It was many that took it upon themselves to belittle the president, deface him in repulsive photos, and post comments that held no actual content. 

                M:  Now here we are blaming the other side.

                SL: It's very clear that when faced with the truth this type of person takes refuge on a faulty pedestal of  fluffy nonsensical words due to being uneducated in the facts of a given subject they re commenting on.

                M:  Really, Have you noticed, the links I have posted are about the real statements and in context. That's because I do research on what you said to not only verify the veracity of your statements but to educate myself.  You may think  I use fluffy nonsensical words, but if you have to insult me to get your point across, it shows me how desperate you really are.

                1. Castlepaloma profile image73
                  Castlepalomaposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                  Reasonably put People

                  Has anyone here really think Trump should win the Noble Peace Prize, even though I think Nobel prize has lost their integrity after giving it to Obama. Or did they not know well spoken words do not result into long term peaceful actions

                  1. Sharlee01 profile image86
                    Sharlee01posted 17 months agoin reply to this

                    Yes, at one point what seems long ago I answered Jacks question...  Then somewhere along the line, I jumped into what I can only call "crazy world". 
                    So once again I give my answer to Jacks very simple question.  If president Trump makes a deal whereas North Korea agrees to denuclearization and they keep their part of the deal, he deserves A Nobel Peace Prize. If he could accomplish this task he will solve a huge world problem.

    2. wilderness profile image95
      wildernessposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      How about "The far right very fringe of the party"?

      Recognition that the people saying what you're claiming are a tiny, tiny minority would help.  So would acknowledging that limiting the power of those bureaucracies does not mean getting rid of them.  While it presents a blacker picture, and serves to accentuate your hatred of any person not belonging to your political party, indicating that the right wants no laws is not only not true, it is about as foolish as it can get for not one will believe you.

  26. Sharlee01 profile image86
    Sharlee01posted 17 months ago

    peoplepower,  As I said each and every one of the agencies you have listed has been having been scandalized, and most often due to Government overreach, harmful regulations.  The USDA Obama regulations literally starved our ranchers and farmers. Also, causing money lost in taxes.  My goodness, you sure picked an easy bunch for me to make my point. Wach and everyone one you listed have been plagued for years scandal.  I am not going to waste time listing each and every scandal. But, it does prove to me you like to be wordy, but your words hold have little insight.  I will point out there are some Government agencies that have proved to be positive for the people.  And yes I realize police and firefighters are controlled by local governments. And many local governments do a good job, many don't.

    Yes, I think with what is going on today with the media clearly reporting the president out of context much of the time.  I have witnessed some incidence of fake news.  Each night we have several networks that do nothing but critique the president's words and actions. To give n example. I as a rule will listen to the president live if he is giving a press conference. And that very evening on popular networks I  hear his words twisted, and presented out of context.   I agree that president Trump labels people with poorly chosen names. One could not argue that fact. It is very obvious if pushed in a corner he will give back worse than he got.  I don't approve or practice his way of communicating.

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    ahorsebackposted 17 months ago

    Peoplepower , I won't mince words , You are an angry democrat  , a bitter election  loser and a defender of the likely worse and most ineffective President in our modern history with few exceptions [Obama ]  You are also a delusional liberal idealist feeding on the hatred filled leftist resistance movement that academic elitists  handed to you  before  2016  .  Do not feel alone however , there are many many here .

    Yours and many here's utter , naked hatred of Trump is so obvious as to color that of every sleeve of every shirt you've worn in these forums for years .  In the Obama years you defended Obama's resurrection of racial divide and social / cultural divisiveness . You defended the naked Alinskyism in Obama's , Jarred's , Lynch's ,and  Comey's leadership in OUR government institutions . You defended the hundreds of socialist idealists he appointed to the supreme courts  higher courts and lower federal courts .  Those like you defended the fad of cop killing incited by the obama terms and attitudes .

    "Hope and Change " ?    There were few hopes or changes within the eight years of Obama , nothing to do with racism you constantly  accuse and I don't care what color he , Trump or the next ten presidents are or will be . When we had  the social unreasts that we had and he said nothing to quell them ;  that showed me and many , many here his intentions for America , it's peoples and it's streets .Obama was handed a generally vibrant war economy and turned it into an extremely popular  social re-engineering economy .That failed - Why , look at what you owe to China alone .
    What twenty Trillion Dollars ,  say nothing about the interest ?

    Yes congratulations , Obama was great ............

    Angry  response here: ..........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................




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    1. Sharlee01 profile image86
      Sharlee01posted 17 months agoin reply to this

      Angry yes, true, oh yes... So well said.

    2. peoplepower73 profile image94
      peoplepower73posted 17 months agoin reply to this

      ahroseback: I'm sorry, but I can't let you get away with this BS.

      A: Peoplepower , I won't mince words , You are an angry democrat  , a bitter election  loser and a defender of the likely worse and most ineffective President in our modern history with few exceptions [Obama ]  You are also a delusional liberal idealist feeding on the hatred filled leftist resistance movement that academic elitists  handed to you  before  2016  .  Do not feel alone however , there are many many here .

      M: I like the way you insulted me by calling me delusional and connected me to academic elitists... very clever.  That's a nice writing style and propaganda technique.

      A: Yours and many here's utter , naked hatred of Trump is so obvious as to color that of every sleeve of every shirt you've worn in these forums for years .  In the Obama years you defended Obama's resurrection of racial divide and social / cultural divisiveness . You defended the naked Alinskyism in Obama's , Jarred's , Lynch's ,and  Comey's leadership in OUR government institutions . You defended the hundreds of socialist idealists he appointed to the supreme courts  higher courts and lower federal courts .  Those like you defended the fad of cop killing incited by the obama terms and attitudes .

      M:  Nice made up stories...too bad none of it is true. But you are angry with all of the as you say,  "social idealists" who have presumably ruined your country.

      A: "Hope and Change " ?    There were few hopes or changes within the eight years of Obama , nothing to do with racism you constantly  accuse and I don't care what color he , Trump or the next ten presidents are or will be . When we had  the social unreasts that we had and he said nothing to quell them ;  that showed me and many , many here his intentions for America , it's peoples and it's streets .

      M:  So now in your view, Trump is great success with quelling the social unrest?  That's why we still have neo NAZI protests, mass killings, and marches.  Good job Trump, Bad job Obama.

      A: Obama was handed a generally vibrant war economy and turned it into an extremely popular  social re-engineering economy .That failed - Why , look at what you owe to China alone .
      What twenty Trillion Dollars ,  say nothing about the interest ?

      M:  Now you are making up your own history.  Listen to me closely. Obama was not handed  a generally vibrant war economy (whatever that means).  Here are the verifiable facts. He was handed a financial meltdown,  failed economy by Bush. I guess you  forgot about TARP 700 billion bailout money that was loaned to failed banks and institutions unconditionally by Hank Paulson.  That is what Obama was handed and economy that was in recession.  He not only pulled us out the recession, but he gave Trump a thriving economy.  Why is it that while Trump was campaigning, he kept saying the unemployment rate was at 42% and then immediately after taking office, it dropped to 4.2% without  him ever doing anything. Trump is currently taking credit that was a policy created by Obama and is still trending.

      In other words, if you want to see what a president is made of, plunk him into an economy that's tanking at a nightmarish rate, with unemployment at almost 8 percent heading up to 10 percent. Contrast that with the economy that President-elect Donald Trump inherited.

      Yes congratulations , Obama was great ............

      M:  Thank you.  I don't deal in BS.  I deal in facts.  You are right, I am angry.  But my anger stems from all you Trump supporters out there that make excuses for this man while putting down Obama with false statements. You have been taught really well by your right wing propagandist.   And all of this is in the need for Hope and Change.  That's right, we all have the same basic needs for hope and change.  You are just afraid to admit it.

      You are hoping he isn't nailed with collusion.  You are hoping he creates jobs.  You are hoping he builds his dumb a** wall and gets Mexico to pay for it. You  are hoping he wins the Peace Prize for getting Kim to denuke. You are hoping his agenda works. 

      I'm angry because this man is self serving.  Everything he says and does is about him, not about you and me and all of you are willing to overlook all of that for hope and change.  His tweet on memorial day was not about those who were fallen, but about if they were still alive how great they would feel about what a great job he is doing.  His tweet about  Roseanne Barr was about how ABC should apologize to him about his mistreatment from them and others, not that what she said was wrong and extremely racist.

      Do you get the picture now?...probably not.

  28. Sharlee01 profile image86
    Sharlee01posted 17 months ago

    PP Here is the entire statement :  You tell me, it was just about Charlotte.

    "We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence, on many sides. On many sides. It's been going on for a long time in our country. Not Donald Trump, not Barack Obama. This has been going on for a long, long time."

    SL. And you actually found his statement offensive?  I think his entire speech was unifying. 

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMQWJDVg8PA

    In regard to Obama, you could never convince me that he was anything other than a do-nothing president. He is in no way responsible for the improvement of our present economy. My god, not sure how you could even talk yourself into that one? He did nothing but cripple the economy with his ridiculous regulations, he never came close to facing the inequality in NAFTA.  H could have fought for tax relief, he didn't.  You know what, simpler to back away here...

    PP "Really, he was not qualified to be President,"

    SL  I made my point, he was a do nothing senator. His record was disgraceful...   FactCheck.org
    "Q: How many times did Obama vote 'present' as a state senator?

    A:  He did so 129 times, which represents a little more than 3 percent of his total votes.  Yeah, like I said he did a poor job as senator and dito as president. 

    https://www.factcheck.org/2008/09/obama … ve-record/

    PP  "This forum has gotten off track.  It is about Trump being worthy of the Nobel Peace Prize.  In my humble opinion, I say he is not worthy of the Peace Prize and by now I'm sure you understand my reasoning...end of story."

    SL  You have given your opinion.   In my opinion president Trump should receive the Nobel Peace Prize for his work to obtain a denuclearization of North Korea, and bring peace to the region.

    M:  Good luck with that

    SI I don't think I need luck,  This president is making every attempt to solve the NK nuclear problem.

    SL: Your statement drips of anger, and hypocrisy.  It was not Trump supporters that led the conversation off track. It was many that took it upon themselves to belittle the president, deface him in repulsive photos, and post comments that held no actual content. 

    M:  Now here we are blaming the other side.

    SL no I am stating a fact, and if one were to read the comments from the first to the last, one will discover just how and when it went off track. Not blaming, just pointing out how it  "went off track".

    PP  " ahorseback and all you Trump lovers out there, here is the bottom line.  When Obama was in office, it was all about hope and change for a black man  being a success as president."

    SL  Sounds much like an experiment?  You put yourself on a pedestal shouting fluffy words   "All you Trump lovers here is the bottom line!".     And you addressed your comment to ahorseback? As I said, you are over your head, that is very clear.   

    Your words are fluffy...  But in the end, they are r nonsensical to anyone that has common sense.  I for one did not need an experiment.in as president.    I needed a president that could do the job. And I know whats coming next, the old tired "you are a racist!    This has nothing to do with him being a black man. This has to do with job performance.  He was very acceptable to those that respond to fluffy words.   No one could give better speeches than Obama.  But in the end, he was just an inexperienced activist, with pretty empty words.

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    ahorsebackposted 17 months ago

    Just a few reasons to celebrate ;

    -Posible denuclearization of the Korean peninsula
    -A normalization of LEGAL immigration
    -Vibrant economic boom
    -Detente between the Koreas
    -End of threats to the Japanese
    -No paris Accord $
    -Trade renegotiations w/China and more
    -Renewed respect for our law enforcement
    -Nafta re-negotiations
    -Israel's capital /embassy support
    -Made in America
    -End of Russia election meddling
    -AHCA end and replacement
    -Rebuild military $
    -Trump's obviously anti-war

    Can you believe ALL in one year ?

    1. Castlepaloma profile image73
      Castlepalomaposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      Trump reminds me of the governor Mel Brooks on Blazing Saddles. Always protecting his phoney baloney job and having fun with racism.

      China is North Korea closest allies and they need each other. The Asians are shrewd and no fools of leaving themselves unprotected. For China will be the next super power in the 21st century.

      When predominantly white US and Russia own 90℅ of the World's nuclear weapons. Yet not willing to kill all their own young at once. US have little healthy products to trade under Corperationism and NWO rules.
      I say no more...

  30. Sharlee01 profile image86
    Sharlee01posted 17 months ago

    WOW, and you came back for more. Again let me state my opinion after reading several of your responses to Horse. You are out leagued, underwater with your responses.  Perhaps you should re-read your comment.   You say a lot, but none of it has any depth of real meaning. It's sort of like you are saying: "Listen to me, my words are prolific".   Not so much...

    1. Castlepaloma profile image73
      Castlepalomaposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      Are you addressing me or people?

      1. Randy Godwin profile image93
        Randy Godwinposted 17 months agoin reply to this

        It doesn't matter, Castle.

      2. Sharlee01 profile image86
        Sharlee01posted 17 months agoin reply to this

        No, I was responding to a comment that Peoplepower made.

    2. peoplepower73 profile image94
      peoplepower73posted 17 months agoin reply to this

      Sharlee01: 

      S: WOW, and you came back for more. Again let me state my opinion after reading several of your responses to Horse. You are out leagued, underwater with your responses.  Perhaps you should re-read your comment.   You say a lot, but none of it has any depth of real meaning. It's sort of like you are saying: "Listen to me, my words are prolific".   Not so much...


      M: You are right, it is your opinion.  Why would you ever agree with anything I said?  You are on the other side of the fence.  If you gave me any credit, your agenda would come crashing down like a house of cards. I said listen to me, because I'm tired of the BS about Obama.   Do you deny that horse was lying when he said Obama inherited a thriving economy from Bush?   If you do then you are in denial like he is. My comments don't have any depth or real meaning  to you because I'm telling the truth based on facts.  If you dispute what I have said then prove it to me and others, instead of insulting me.

      You can minimize Obama's accomplishments and distort the truth, but here are the facts.

      https://www.thebalance.com/what-has-oba … ts-3306158

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      1. Sharlee01 profile image86
        Sharlee01posted 17 months agoin reply to this

        PP,   I will stick to my opinion until probed it is faulty.  So far you have offered nothing. Here is the initial statement you made that gave me my opinion that you preach from a wobbly pedestal. 

        -PEOPLEPOWER73 WROTE:
          If you were Obama who is black and Johnson who is black, would you pardon him?  No you probably wouldn't because of the blow back from Obama haters.  Obama understood his place in the racist world and used judgement that he learned from dealing with prejudice.   

        The only reason Trump did it is to get the black vote and for people like you to think he is not racist.   But I don't think he will because they see right through his racist, self serving  manipulation.


        My response to your comment did give my opinion in regard to Obama, just as you gave your opinion on Trump.   You opened a "door" to my opinion to walk in. Do you really feel your opinion is more value mine?  As I have said in previous posts when talked down too, I will give it back.

        In your comment above just a few sentences, you felt you had the right to insult, without provocation. Your words are haughty and disparaging.   "Obama hater; people like you.; racist, self-serving manipulation."   Just below is my response.

        SL "Blowback" ?   Obama always laid below the radar.  My opinion has he had no guts.  He did not do the right by this particular human being.  I don't care if the man was black white or blue... Why even try to make an excuse for his action in this matter?  Those that don't care for Obama, don't care for him for many reasons. Laying below the radar is one of those reasons.  Trump does the right thing as he has proved many times over. Yet some will not give credit where credit is due.

        1. peoplepower73 profile image94
          peoplepower73posted 17 months agoin reply to this

          Sharlee01: O.K.  You didn't like Obama.  I don't like Trump.  But don't twist reality by not stating facts.  The fact is Obama did not inherit a thriving economy.  He inherited a failing economy and fixed it.  History has shown that and I'm sure you and horse lived through it.  That is not my opinion, it is fact.   Therefore I have offered something of value.  Your are just not willing to accept it.

          What is so insulting about saying "you people."  Would you rather that I used the terminology as conservative, republican, Trump supporter.  I apologize, if "you people" offends you, but I'm sure you have read what horse calls me and "my people." 

          What does staying below the radar really mean? You are using it in a pejorative sense like "leading from behind and no guts."  By the way, Obama must have had guts when he took out Bin Laden.  You are entitled to your opinion as I am entitled to mine, but when it comes to facts, we have a responsibility to present them truthfully.

          1. Readmikenow profile image96
            Readmikenowposted 17 months agoin reply to this

            Peoplepower,

            Lots going on in this thread.

            Here's an article about the economy under Obama from Investors Business Daily.  Filled with interesting facts and figures. 

            “GDP growth has not exceeded 3% for 11 straight years.  Obviously, that's not all Obama's fault. But he did inherit an economy that was nearing the end of a recession — it officially ended just five months after he took office — and he repeatedly promised that his economic policies would produce strong, sustained growth.
            Instead, Obama oversaw the weakest economic recovery since World War II.”

            https://www.investors.com/politics/edit … -trillion/

            Back to the topic.

            Obama received a Nobel Peace Prize nine months into his first term as president.  Can YOU point to anything he did during these nine months that would be worthy of a Nobel Peace Prize.  I've looked, and I can't find a single thing.  Maybe you can help me here

          2. Sharlee01 profile image86
            Sharlee01posted 17 months agoin reply to this

            PP,  No one that voted for Trump would be insulted by being addressed a "Trump supporter".  And yes I lived through the Obama years. I am also a person that is very attuned to the stock market, and the ups and downs of the economy.  By tuning in daily to check the market I am exposed to all stats that measure our economy. Jobs numbers,  employment numbers, unemployment numbers, gross domestic product. Under Obama, the economy faltered remained stagnant. And the stats are out there I am not ready to post them.  Trump's economy is doing well, actually breaking records for, unemployment, job growth, as well as GDP.     

            What I mean by under the radar.  It's does not have a derogatory meaning. It does not signify a gutless person.  It means avoiding a problem by just staying away from the subject. Just gliding along without becoming involved. It's a personality trait.  I  voted for Obama the first time around, I liked his demeanor, he promised a progresses agenda. He was an imposing man that exuded a quiet strength.  He had very little scandal. I did not even care if he was born in "Kenya". ( meant to be funny).  However, it did not take me long to see even with a Majority in the house. he was getting nothing done. He was obsessed with his healthcare plan. This was the one thing I did not like about him. After his first two years, my opinion changed. Not about his character, but his job performance. I saw him time after time hide when he should have stepped up and addressed the nation with good speed it would take him a week or two.  It was clear he was flying under the radar.  Then he picked up his pen and started penning harmful regulations. I noticed the Market was so flat, no money to be made investing.  I don' have anything against the man, just his job performance.  I see a president now that is not only making the economy better but he is trying to tackle problems that will make the world a safer place, and at least half of the country feels somewhat inspired seeing him keep promises made.  You might wonder if I voted for Mitt Romney? NO, I didn't because he also was a below the radar politician.  I sat it out for the first time in my life.

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    ahorsebackposted 17 months ago

    It actually does matter a lot ,  Why ?    Because we are seeing the reversal of ideologies in a sense .  Liberal heads are exploding right and left at the reversal of conservative attack modes .   No longer is the right in American going to stand for turning the other political cheek  after the Clintons and the Obama's AND DURING the Pelosi's and Schummers  ,   America was da--ed near brought to it's knees in the last election phaze by socialist / Democratic  corruption .

    And Conservatives don't need a Hannity , Wilkow ,  Orielly or Carlson to know that ,  The conservative American voter is EXACTLY where these news pundits came from and are paid by  .  Unlike the left ,we have made up our own libertarian minds without the benefit of leftist group thoughts .

    Peoplepower , If you are an Investigative Journalist  then I am a elephant trainer in the Moscow Free Circus , who are you trying to impress with that hogwash besides yourself ?  Obama was handed a vibrant war economy and immediately saw fit to run up the Chinese banking flag at the White House by tripling the National debt  and spending more than ALL combined previous presidents ?  You are right though about Hope and Change ----
    He handed every single bit of his promised Hope and Change  to the Chinese banking industry from Singapore to Chit Shinola .

    Obama's negative legacy would and will display itself easily to all but the blind and doesn't need one conservative news pundit to do it for him ! Don't blame the right for that --Obama among so many other things introduced absolute corruption to the independent offices of the federal government at every level , Worse - he did it intentionally and willingly .

    The American people NOW have a lower trust level for the following offices than they do for the 13 % trust level of Congress ;Congratulations Obama .
    -The CIA
    -The FBI
    -The DOJ
    -The IRS
    -The NSA

    So keep those liberal heads exploding people , The American right has adopted by necessity  the tactics of the old left to use against the new left !
    But DO let us know when you want to specifically "Cross the Aisles " and compromise  ,   We'll work something out , that really worked for us over the years during Obama's Coronation and executive action presidency .

    No anger here , Just a new political action style.
    See you at the front lines.

    1. peoplepower73 profile image94
      peoplepower73posted 17 months agoin reply to this

      ahroseback:  Again you are going to say Obama was handed a vibrant economy?  You do know where you can go for lying?  I'm sorry.  I have to forgive you because you have been brainwashed.  You really think that is reality.

  32. Randy Godwin profile image93
    Randy Godwinposted 17 months ago

    As I've stated before, Spanky has set the standard for truth and facts for his voters to follow his lead. And they are just like him in all ways it seems. sad

  33. Sharlee01 profile image86
    Sharlee01posted 17 months ago

    Readmikenow, Thank you for posting the "good read".  It was non-bias, supplied factual facts, and clearly depicted the Obama economy. Plus it is a respected news source. I hope some here took the time to read it. It would help to have the facts on the subject before adding a comment.

    In regard to why Obama received a Nobel Prize. I never could understand why?  Nor could  I did find much on the subject.  I did find this little gem, that might provide a chuckle.

    " The Committee has attached special importance to Obama's vision of and work for a world without nuclear weapons."

    Guess he just did not get around to working on that?  It is a bit wonderful though that president Trump just happens to be working on that problem. So, should he to get the Nobel Prize?  Yeah, I think so...

    https://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes … press.html

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    ahorsebackposted 17 months ago

    Peoplepower , Obama DID inherit a pretty nice economy and even IF he didn't  in YOUR  mind , witness the after affects of the non-confidence levels of corporate America !  One to three months BEFORE Trump took office to well after he did , corporate America threw open its arms to the anticipation of a corporate friendly Trump .

    Obama's open hatred of capitalism had all phases of companies hiding away their checkbooks , worry about more social entitlement and federally programmed taxation alone caused that . CONFIDENCE ! If  capitalism doesn't have daily , weekly , monthly and yearly confidence , they go stagnant and corporate stagnation was Obama's legacy .

    If you're going to claim " Investigative Journalism " ; You'd better get a good [much better } grip on the investigative part !

    1. Randy Godwin profile image93
      Randy Godwinposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      Are you serious, horse? We were right on the edge of another depression when Obama was elected. And naturally big business welcomed Spanky with open arms, they knew he would give them massive tax breaks and quell the regulations which protect our environment. This means more money for the already wealthy. But then, you may be happy because you're wealthy as well. If so, more power to you!  tongue

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        ahorsebackposted 17 months agoin reply to this

        Randy  Come on man , America is a capitalist republic  , a corporate stronghold , what else BUT business drives , thrives and fuels this economy that the entire world except the American left envies and in fact thrives upon , your country ,if you're American,  is  the envy of the world.?

        Where did you get your American education , at Bernie Sanders U ?

      2. Sharlee01 profile image86
        Sharlee01posted 17 months agoin reply to this

        Randy, While on the subject of our economy.
        Just saw this month's unemployment numbers.

        June 1, 2018,    Unemployment Report Beats 18-Year Low. 3.8% Trump's economy roars on.

        My question to you Randy -    President Trump was well known for this statement.   "You will get sick of winning."  Randy,   Are you sick of winning?

        Once again this month projected unemployment numbers beat the street predictions ...  unemployment at 18 year low.       LOWEST ever in history Black American unemployment rate! Lowest ever Latino unemployment rate.   

        A The promise made,  A promise kept...   And once again President Trump has achieved one of his campaign promises. He has been in office a little over a year and a half, and he continues to check off problems that he promised to fix...  And his list is "HUGE", but getting. smaller every day. I love winning...

  35. Castlepaloma profile image73
    Castlepalomaposted 17 months ago

    You guys put way too much Stock into Presidents as they continually get worse. Since Kennedy it is horrible record of decline in quality of family lifestyle. Lack of savings, debt, housing ownership, massive destruction sea and land and the list goes on.

    For a Nobel Peace Prize given to a US Presidents that signs off for more than a new major war evey year. That kills 20 - 30 million worldwide in that time. Then creating 65 million refugees worldwide every year.

    Name one other country that creates that many deaths, property damage and culture destruction. Even Hollywood only gives out award for greatest violence and destruction in their films
    Natural  enviorment is our greatest threat.
    It time for me to move on to greener grass root groups.

    1. Sharlee01 profile image86
      Sharlee01posted 17 months agoin reply to this

      OMG we needed this now? With all the crap being tossed at each other here. You hit us with this. It just might knock some of us back into reality.  Yes, I love this...

      1. Castlepaloma profile image73
        Castlepalomaposted 17 months agoin reply to this

        The game is to create the monster, then through your taxes kill these monsters. Control the people through fear warmongering. Nobody has any idea the source of where these monster come from like terrorist ghost we chase all over the world.

        No matter the whole thing is fictional they now tbey give fictional prizes for it.

        Now a bigger monster is being created. Over price Tariffs with your major trading partners. It was the main reason that created your last great depression. We know where that leads to. A world war Three. It's happening more or less every 80 years now.

    2. jackclee lm profile image82
      jackclee lmposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      Spoken like a true anti American. It is America’s fault and the world would be so much better if America would just go away...
      Unfortunately, it will not be.
      History has shown when America retreats, like under the Obama years, the world gets uglier and more unsafe... look to the recent Syria regugee crisis... and Iran and North Korea...

      1. Randy Godwin profile image93
        Randy Godwinposted 17 months agoin reply to this

        And now we have a non-racist, completely honest, humble, helluvua nice guy running the show, eh Jack. lol

        1. jackclee lm profile image82
          jackclee lmposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          No, I have never claimed that about Trump.

          1. Randy Godwin profile image93
            Randy Godwinposted 17 months agoin reply to this

            At least you have some scruples...

        2. Sharlee01 profile image86
          Sharlee01posted 17 months agoin reply to this

          Randy, actually we have a great president, caring, concerned about the problems that affect us all. He is out there daily. Did you ever see Obama out and about making a difference? No, he always was incognito. Trump has been in office a year and a half,  he is very available to press, and communicates on social media. Any day I can check out his Facebook page and check his itinerary. He works and gets things done.

          Oh, and my post to you this morning in regard to unemployment. Sorry quoted a false statement. The actual statement should have read.  June 1, 2018, Today Unemployment Report Beats a 50 -Year Low. at 3.8%,  not 18  years low...  A half a century low...   Trump's economy roars on.   WIOW

      2. Castlepaloma profile image73
        Castlepalomaposted 17 months agoin reply to this

        I'm not anti anything, because that would be just joining the problem.

        American are people like anyone else in the world just hypothesized deeper. This empire is like all other empires throughout human history. That will  come to a point they collaspe from absolute power that corrupts everything.

        When the collective consciousness of the people decides they are abuse and suffering too much. These monster, like bankers,oilers,and all the other greedy Corperationism crooks. Are over taken and replace with power to the people.

        Like how it happened in Iceland. They locked up all these bankers and politicans crooks  as for long term. They recovered from bankruptcy to one of the wealthiest in Europe. Americans will end up over throwing the Government too.. The added horror will be terrible wars and dollar collaspe.

        1. jackclee lm profile image82
          jackclee lmposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          That is the difference between you and me. I don’t think all corp. are evil and steal and oppresses the people and engaged in monopoly and all those things you say. Of course some percent of them do and they do get prosecuted and pay fines...when they are caught.
          In fact, I believe we need these corporations and entrepreneurs who invent and produce products we want and created wealth for themselves and their shareholders...
          That is the capitalistic system and it has worked well as compared to all other systems, socialism, communist or whatever.

          1. Castlepaloma profile image73
            Castlepalomaposted 17 months agoin reply to this

            I'm pro capitalism. For most part find Corperationism is the most dangerous con with Nationaism.
            It's  too lopsided and unbalance the smaller companies and Governments survival.

            Most of the socialist countries I know are better balances and happier than the US. The Communist is out dated.

            From traveling a 100 countries I wish I could give you a Tour to show the obvious difference.
            Americans are hypnotized by 99℅ Christian/Judaism Congress. In media, schools, work and everyehere, so I can forgive you.

            1. jackclee lm profile image82
              jackclee lmposted 17 months agoin reply to this

              I may not have been to 100 countries but I have been to many where I saw first hand the deficiencies of their government.
              With all our faults, the US is the best country in the world to live and it is exceptional.
              I wrote a whole article on explaining the term American Exceptionalism and what is meant by it.
              The quality of life, the standard of living, the freedom and the equality and the religious nature are all positive elements. With all the race problems we have, they are minor compared to other nations where the cast system and where racism is openly condoned...like in Africa and part of Asia and the far east...
              If you want to discuss religion, Christianity towers over all other religions in their practice of charity and forgiveness...
              If it wasn’t for the good of American military, you would be speaking German now.

              1. Castlepaloma profile image73
                Castlepalomaposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                I would not mind speaking German that country is thriving. Russian were killed 5 times greater than American.It's all insanity anyways because Rothschild was the money suppliers for both sides.

                When I was young I thrived well in Canada and US. Then it was numbers 1-2 country in the world. To slowly watch the US empire greatly decline in healthcare, economy for the common man, pollution, decency, honesty, bravery and enprisonment. To watch homeless village in every big city. To allow warmongering, delusional Religious and great debt. It's number one in nuclear weapons, prisons, wars, angels and obesity. With greedy basters raping and pillaging dehumanizing other nations heritages and cultures worldwide. Fear is replacing love so give a hug for me, to the Rockefeller and Rothschild. Karma will run over their collapsed empire dogma , as all empires must fall, you can have it all. I've moved to South America
                China will be the next super power in the 21 century..

                1. jackclee lm profile image82
                  jackclee lmposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                  I was born in Taiwan, ROC. I immigrated to the US in 1961 when I was 10.
                  This country has its faults but it was a great country. It became less great under Obama and the librral progressives...thiose homeless you speak of in large US cities are all run by liberal democrats..l

                  Now America is coming back under Trump.
                  More conservatives are elected to local government...

                  I have been to China serveal times. I don’t think it will be the super power like some claim.
                  They have many problems to overcome.
                  Everything considered, the US is the best country to live.

                  1. jackclee lm profile image82
                    jackclee lmposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                    You can google “my trip to china” and my hub comes up number one in rank...

                  2. Castlepaloma profile image73
                    Castlepalomaposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                    All these Presidents accept Kennedy are all bought, sold and puppeteered.
                    By the powers to be. Then it's pass down to the minions and economy slaves programs. The Zionist own and control the multimedia and banks to tell what people should think. Trump is a product of a batty puppet created in bio incorporated lab. The BRICS will surpass this NWO. Counties like India and China economy growth each year is 3 to 4 time that of the USA. I live Canada,Norway, Australia, Belize and US. Each have a better health care, natural environment system, capital balance social system. It better because they are not as Corperationism corrupted since 1913 like the US is.

  36. Sharlee01 profile image86
    Sharlee01posted 17 months ago

    You actually think  The Business Insider is not factual?   But my link for this discussion was to CBS NEWs?  Please read the article.    I am sorry to embrace you,  Cohen was not a creditor. But a long time employee on the Trump International payroll.  President Trump did report the payment to Cohen in his May 2018  Financial disclosure.   The document  I posted in the article. I provided.  He was billed in 2017. He paid the money to Cohen and reported it? Not sure where you are seeing a problem more?  I have other sources if needed

  37. Randy Godwin profile image93
    Randy Godwinposted 17 months ago

    If anyone claims Spanky makes himself very available to the press--other than the entertainment show Fox News--they must live on another planet. Spanky refuses to take questions from anyone but his cronies and has had the fewest press conferences than any modern day POTUS. His gun moll Huckabee  only takes questions from friendly faces lately and ignores those she doesn't want to answer. I suppose I don't blame him as he changes his stories so many times. lol

  38. Sharlee01 profile image86
    Sharlee01posted 17 months ago

    Randy, Funny I can't remember a week when he has not invited us all into the Oval Office? I can't name a day he did not have his daily itinerary posted on his Facebook page. He has literally had any and all dignitaries that visit the WH  do a press conference.  You know what I can't even think of this happening once under Obama?  He stops to speak to the press in passing frequently.

    Randy, maybe you are watching the wrong networks? No really.  You really should start to give him a break.  No matter what you think of his character, he is doing a good job.  I guess there is nothing in your opinion that this president can do to change your opinion?  I noticed you did not mention this months unemployment stat.  Another record-breaking month,  Yes 3.8%. We have not seen this number in 50 years.  I wonder what next month will bring?

    1. Castlepaloma profile image73
      Castlepalomaposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      Have travelled to every state in America except Alaska. Did not see one homeless village up to Reagan period. The Regan employment rate was double of what Spanky is today. Yet today there is homeless villages in evey major city. More homeless than there are Public serverts. America' greatest mistake ever was giving the money to the wealthy to trickle down to the rest.

      Trump says 91% of the Network News about me is negative (Fake). Why do we work so hard in working with the media when it is corrupt?

      If Trump is the only one that can give good real news.  Let Trump visit every homeless village and tell them the huge news about the lowest unemployment rate ever.

      Do not believe whatever the government tells you, especially Trump.

      1. Sharlee01 profile image86
        Sharlee01posted 17 months agoin reply to this

        No, I don't believe anything I can't find some truth in. I don't buy into innuendo or "it's possible". I think people that do are weak minded.  Just not up to looking for truth.  You asked do I believe Trump?  I believe his progress what I can see. I care less about his words.  If he keeps his agenda I will be pleased I voted for him. If not, I will be disappointed as I was for how I voted for last time around - Obama. I will give this president his due when earned. I will bitch when and if he fails, 

          I am very aware of the homeless problem that explodes over the past 5 years. I have walked over them in New York where my ankle was grabbed.   I have accidentally stepped in their pee in San Fransico.  And a couple of weeks ago while in Louisville, was shocked at how many boldly stuck their hand out for money.   Our homeless problem became epidemic in 2007, and has got nothing but worse.   I could discuss the why's of it at length. But it is not a simple subject that I could do justice on a chat.

        Our jobs numbers are getting better each month, as well as our unemployment problem. There are more jobs available now than there has been for a long time. Hopefully some of the homeless will fill some of them.    The numbers don't lie. People do...

        1. Castlepaloma profile image73
          Castlepalomaposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          People in the 70s and 80s were alot, freer. Most had saving accounts, no debts, home ownership, low taxes, and jobs were a dine a dozen. The odd drunken bum in an alley.

          How come the unemployment rate was double  in the 70s and 80s?. Today, most people overstress to keep or have job. These employment rate are a hoax and your Presidents is an elusion of freedom and security.  There are other solutions, yet who wants to hear or do them?

          1. jackclee lm profile image82
            jackclee lmposted 17 months agoin reply to this

            I want to hear your solutions. Let’s have a debate on policy instead of criticism...
            You claim the European have the answers...
            Let’s hear it?
            We are a nation founded on freedom and liberty and individual right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness...
            What does your world view believe in?

            1. Castlepaloma profile image73
              Castlepalomaposted 17 months agoin reply to this

              Probably the best measure of life success would be a country's gross national product  being happiness. US pursuit of happiness, not saying they get it.

              From different world raking countries for happiness. US range from 18th to 42nd. Most happiness are dominantly in Latin America and Northern Europe.

              Happiness has most to do with your health and what you can forget and least to do with money.

              The worst criminals act on Humanity is war. That would be too difficult for America to forget.

              Allow smaller Governments and companies to compete. Rather than handover it over or bribery from oversize me Corperationism.

              Iceland was the one of the most bankruptcy countries in the world. Until they locked up long term, many politicans and bankers, they became on of the happiest countries in the world.

              Start with Iceland as a role model. Or if not, US will be totally bankrupt and recovery will be horribly horrific.

              1. jackclee lm profile image82
                jackclee lmposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                Happiness is a state of mind. You can be happy smoking weed all day long...but that will not get you very far.
                Success is measured by many things and it includes GDP and innovation, patents, and standards of living such as food, water, energy, transportation infrastructure...
                By all those measurements, and even athletics like Olympic medals...and Nobel prizes, the USA dominates.
                Capitalism and democracy have lead to the greatest wealth creation in all of human history...

                1. Castlepaloma profile image73
                  Castlepalomaposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                  Weed will be sold out to Drugstores and alcohol  Corperationism, the small guy gets the shaft again.


                  True, happiness has most to do  within yourself. Other parts of happiness is your family inheritance and situation like the country you live in. If you lived in Iraq, the greatest damaged country in the 21 century life is horrible. US Mostly held responsibile.

                  Most dislike countries in the world is North Korea and Isreal. Since Isreal owns US bring them down too. America over focus on money and that has the least to do with balance and happiness compare to  relationship, spiritual, intelluctal, and physical. Without your health you got nothing.

                  America Is Not a Democracy. It has lost the faith of its citizens.. They gave that up ever since US Corp started under the emergency war act when Lincoln was killed. US must have a war every 2 years, more than a war every year, the last 20 years. US is fully a federation of Corperationism a con, capitalism is a pro.

                  Trump says you will get sick of winning. I did get sick of winning from being a world class Jock and artist. Won more world Champion ships than any other sculptor ever. 1st and 2nd would win good money, but the 58 other loser contestant lost money. Pro Sports is a great distraction from your problems. If not that, Porn is bigger industry than Hollywood America's greatest reputation.

                  1. jackclee lm profile image82
                    jackclee lmposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                    Sounds like you have dropped out of society. A Buddhist monk is happy...perhaps you should try it.

  39. Randy Godwin profile image93
    Randy Godwinposted 17 months ago
    1. Sharlee01 profile image86
      Sharlee01posted 17 months agoin reply to this

      Randy, CNN?  as a rule, I won't criticize a source. But I don't have any respect for CNN. And this has nothing to do with Trump or Obama. I don't like that type of forum. Talk Jocks and guests that are allowed to say anything without a filter. To many mistruths passed on to viewers. 

      Anyway, I listed many of the ways Trump communicates. I am not sure one could be so transparent?  He does not hold scheduled press conferences. But I feel I am well informed to what he is doing on the job. I don't care about all the sensational stuff.  And it seems when the press does get a chance to ask questions, they tend to ask about the "sensational scandals".  My only interest is to be kept informed on what he is doing to keep his agenda.

  40. Randy Godwin profile image93
    Randy Godwinposted 17 months ago

    Ignorance is bliss....

    1. Sharlee01 profile image86
      Sharlee01posted 17 months agoin reply to this

      Randy, it is bliss. And I can see you do nicely in that state of mind. I think that is positive. I don't think you would be happy otherwise or function well.

  41. Randy Godwin profile image93
    Randy Godwinposted 17 months ago

    Fools rush in....

  42. Castlepaloma profile image73
    Castlepalomaposted 17 months ago

    Why give a prize to Trump?. Where he should be arrested for bombing Syria without Congress. Also US is bombing eight different countries right now!"Referring Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Yemen, Pakistan, Libya, and Niger. Since none of these countries have attached the US. That is also against Constitution law, and international law.

    That's all we need is to multiple the world to make more Christians soidiers. When we have four times too much population. War has not the answers nor is an actual practices of zombies “apocalyptic by the US military.

    When US leaders are 99℅ Jewish/Christians loopsidedness. That harms us as bio -organism first and the fact, I am what I  think and you are too.

    We lost the collectively imagination and consciousness replace by war on our children, war on the natural environment, war on our cultures, war on wildlife. Our now False security, harmed our freedom and security.

    Wars in Hollywood and media  program us. They awards the ten series movies for vicious violence and cruel stories, many with Supernatural powers. zombies are the personification of our darkest fears. Express with monsters and murderers of mankind. Media leads if it bleeds. They are hungry for blood lurking around every corner like the terrorist ghost we chase around the world daily.

    Or the zombified culture like police state and troops railed against us. We the people” have become the walking dead. Plagued by the socio-political evils of cultural apathy, materialism, domestic militarism, racism trilogy and movie blockbusters. Running false flags, mock military drills and Center for Disease Control that harms green solutions. Zombies embody the government’s paranoia about the citizenry as potential threats. I feel sad for the many synthetic people living lies. Fear the Walking Dead is a drama about occupation, the breakdown of society. Decent people can not decide or too busy surviving, When the power to be might, makes right. Most believe world war 3 is possible, rather than the natural environment being fixible. Fear and paranoia have become hallmarks of the modern American experience.

    1. peoplepower73 profile image94
      peoplepower73posted 17 months agoin reply to this

      Castlepaloma:

      In my opinion, there are three human needs as to why man wages war.

      The need to protect or gain territory
      The need for a higher spirit to justify the war
      The need for spreading the gene pool
      I used to believe that wars were fought for economic reasons. But after delving further into the subject, I now believe they are fought to either protect territory or gain new territory. Since the beginning of time, I think this is the reason human beings go to war. Prehistoric man defined boundaries by whatever means available. When others who were not like them crossed their boundaries, they would wage war. I believe that we are hard wired to protect our boundaries. Even our closest relative in the animal world, chimpanzees protect their territory from other chimps that are from other areas. They have been seen carrying tree limbs as weapons and using them to wage war on other clans that are not like them and live in other territories.

      1. jackclee lm profile image82
        jackclee lmposted 17 months agoin reply to this

        How does that theory explain WWII, when we faught off Germany and Japan and yet did not take their land?

        1. Castlepaloma profile image73
          Castlepalomaposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          Good point, there was a alot countries they did not take their land.

          Yet, did take the soils and made new polices.

        2. peoplepower73 profile image94
          peoplepower73posted 17 months agoin reply to this

          JacK:  We didn't take their land, but we had to protect our land. That's the other side of the coin.  I said wars are fought for the following needs:  We needed to protect our territory.  The reason I call it territory is because men draw maps and borders, not nature.

          The need to protect or gain territory
          The need for a higher spirit to justify the war
          The need for spreading the gene pool

          1. jackclee lm profile image82
            jackclee lmposted 17 months agoin reply to this

            How about our compassionate nature to defend our allies against aggressors?

            1. Castlepaloma profile image73
              Castlepalomaposted 17 months agoin reply to this

              The only over aggressor in the world today is NWO lead by Isreal and US. Greedy Empires owning everything has and will never work well for the majority.

              China and BRICS do not need to conquer everything. They will take over by sharing.

              1. jackclee lm profile image82
                jackclee lmposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                I disagree. Israel is a small nation just trying to survive in a sea of Arabs and Moslems that want them wiped out. The US is the only super power left to keep the peace which the UN has never met their mandate...
                China will not share or take over because they have much bigger problems domestically.
                Russia is old and not a threat to world as much as the media try to push this Russian collusion in attacking Trump.

                Iran and ISIS are thorns on our side and the world. With Trump in power, they are kept at bay by strength.
                MAGA wil lead to Make the World Great Again, if it was ever great in the first place???

                1. Castlepaloma profile image73
                  Castlepalomaposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                  America was great for whites and their secret societies. Israel as one of the most racist societies in the western world. Orthodox Jewish hold anti-Zionist signs. Saying– “Judaism rejects Zionism”, or “Jews worldwide condemn Israel”. Because jewish is not a Nationaism. It is much like the case British taking over black South Africa.

                  Iraq invaded Iran, 1988, aided by Americans. If Americans can not get other countries to fight each other, they will. Sudam should of gotten an American pension as an agent rather than a hanging, :Monsters R US:

                  The last time Iran attacked a neighbour was over 200 years ago, ...  Why would they attack Isreal or US? US and Isreal are greatly dislike because they attack others.

                  You don't know the Zionist Military assassin war history.

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image73
                    Castlepalomaposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                    Suddam Hassan was good friends with Rodney and Bush. Who need friends like this.

                  2. jackclee lm profile image82
                    jackclee lmposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                    Your criticism of Israel is totally unfair. If you have been through what they have since the holocaust, and later being attacked from all sides with only support from the US, you would feel different.
                    Israel is harsh to their neighbors and the Palestinians because they are under attack, not just their army but their citizens... How would you feel if your family and neighbors are facing rocket attacks daily...?
                    I was in Israel back in the 1990s and I witness this first hand.

            2. peoplepower73 profile image94
              peoplepower73posted 17 months agoin reply to this

              Jack:  You have to be more specific.  The question you should ask is why our we defending our allies?  It is to protect our territory and their territory.  Wars are not one sided.  There are always two sides to a war If there is no war.  There is peace.  WWII was about the axis powers wanting more territory while the allies  were trying to protect their territory.  ISIS wants a Caliphate in the mid-east by trying to gain more territory.  We fight the Taliban in Afghanistan to protect our territory at home.  Look at it from both sides and it will make sense.  Israel attacks the Palestinians to protect their territory while Palestinians try to protect their territory by firing rockets into Israel and throwing rocks at Israeli soldiers.

              1. jackclee lm profile image82
                jackclee lmposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                Well in that case, who is first?
                If you want to go back in history, the earth was owned by Adam and Eve...before they were kicked out of the garden of eden...

                The point is, possession is 99% of the law.
                People fight over territories...
                The strong will always push put the weak.
                Survival of the fittest as Evolutionist will say...

                In the case of America, we were dragged into WWII after the Axis power attacked us in Pearl Harbor...
                Yet, after we won and invented the atomic bomb, we did not conquer the world like Rome or Genghis Khan...
                We helped them recover and became a democratic republic...
                On the other hand, look at Russian...and what they did in creating the USSR and the cold war...
                Who was in the right? Is there a right or wrong?
                What say you?

                1. peoplepower73 profile image94
                  peoplepower73posted 17 months agoin reply to this

                  Jack:  Good question, but sadly the only answer is might is right.  Might takes many forms including money, power, and today it includes information that can be converted to any of those things.  But first off let's look at might.  Columbus discovered the New World.  Shortly after that the Spanish Conquistadors came and conquered all the South American Indian Tribes with their might in the form of rifles.  They found gold and sent it back to Spain making it the most powerful country in the world at that time.  Not only did they do that but, they interbred with the Indians creating Mexicans.  Therefore protecting their territory.

                  This country was founded on violence and might.  The Europeans came here and conquered the "savage Indians" and put them on reservations, thus protecting their new territory.  They even used biological warfare, by giving the Indians blankest soaked in small pox. The Cherokee were living in houses and speaking English and they took everything away from them and put them on the "Trail of Tears." to their new reservations.   They fought the British and won, thus protecting their territory even further.

                  It's interesting that Trump wants to protect us from the Mexicans who were on this territory before we were, but that is how it goes.

                  Nukes are just another form of protection, but can also be used to attack the other side.  Why do you think Trump wants to denuke North Korea and why do you think Kim wants to keep his Nukes.?  It all about protecting their territory.

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image93
                    Randy Godwinposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                    Actually Peoplepower, The Spanish didn't have rifles but only primitive smoothbore muskets which were hardly efficient. The Indians were more terrified by the huge armored horses and their riders with the long spears. But you are otherwise correct in how they treated the Native Americans. They sometimes fed the natives to their giant mastiffs to make a point as well. Nice folk!

                  2. wilderness profile image95
                    wildernessposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                    How do you figure Trump wants to protect the US from Mexicans who were here before we were?  I'm pretty sure there are no Mexicans who were born before 1936 and lived in Texas before it won it's independence from Mexico, and of course they took the land (by force) from the American Indians that lived there before them...

  43. Castlepaloma profile image73
    Castlepalomaposted 17 months ago

    No need to wage insanity. To keep feeding greedy Heirachary for centuries must change. We are more enslaved today than any other time in human history.

    I got mugged by three men with rocks and knifes aiming to kill me, Saved my stuff and nobody was harms accept a few sore balls.

    Got mugged by 40 monkeys for my groceries, they could of killed me. Yet by monkey logic nobody got harmed. Had to give up half my food.
    Good deal

    Jesus said kill for food only. Monkeys at war will eat their victims, So Monkeys are more Christ-like. In the Bible it is near impossible to wage war under the bible conditions. Yet US military kills and steal under a lience that benefits the wealthy,not the rest of us.

    Alexander the great, greatest warrior in history, said war solves nothing.
    Evil is by absolutely no reason. Killing is mans greatest mental illnesses. War is mankinds 2nd greatest crime next to destruction of other species and natural environment.

    US troops in Vietnam. Make it 9 times out of 10 a murder in a uniform, same for most of their wars. Even worse, more US troops committed suicide at home than were killed in Vietnam.

    US troops kill 100 to 1000s times in revenge, on their invaded enemy soil, accept Perl harbor. Where is the score an eye for an eye when Congress is stacked with Christian and Jews.

    Afghan and Iraq cost more financial the world war 2 and worst crime in the 21 century was Iraq. We can forgive the pass, what you do in the future you can or will regret. Unless acts are nonviolent, wail finding solutions.

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    australiahelpsposted 17 months ago

    Trump has a much better chance of winning a Nobel Peace Prize than being elected President. And he has an even better chance of being drafted as a running back for the Green Bay Packers than either of those. But  Obama didn't do anything to "win" the prize, it was given as a political statement by the Nobel committee. https://best-essay-writing-service-revi … -australia

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      ahorsebackposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      Nobel Peace Prize ? Trump could buy the entire institution of Nobel , He will be reelected by a landslide in the US  and the News media , part of your problem ,  will STILL exist entirely in the dark about any of it  !

      Just facts .

  45. Castlepaloma profile image73
    Castlepalomaposted 17 months ago

    After Trump, who would want to be a President again. Who needs a President to have integrity, to be honable, bondable or decent human being.

    Trump can shoot a man in NY and still get elected. He was bail out of bankruptcy for Rothschild purpose. He was chairman of Casinos from Rockefellers Mafia.Trump tells America he is a better business man than Bill Gate and Warren Buffet t or any billionair. Then Bragg's of being greedy, what a nicccce guy.mmmm

    Trump's U.S.-led coalition fighting the Islamic State militant group (ISIS) has killed more civilians during his first seven months in office than in the three years it existed under his predecessor. Trump claim he is smarter than all his generals, he is most effective at killing civilians. Probably with the same policy of :Burn the village to save the village.
    (Sounds like hell on earth)

    Sure Trump can buy his Nobel prize with Rothschild money. Trump can do his fascist Congratulation speech ... like this.
    If he had a liar, lair spell upon him.

    I want to thank the amazing Military  and police for policing the world. For locking up the good guys and letting the bad guys run the world. Who need moneys for a natural healthy environment, it"s a Chinese hoax. I want to thank me for putting this tagteam pro wresting show for megalomanic  together. Thank me for aiming to kill all ISSI. They are killing us like jellyfish animals,  the more we kill them the more they multiply. Even the Muslims are growing faster than our Religion. We must work harder at killing. Thank you, I accept this Nobel Peace Prize from me. Watching everything on my Twitter because you will be too busy winning and surviving. Screw 91℅ of News, it is fake. Get all your real news from me as I am very intelligent and everywhere like God.

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      jackclee lmposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      You have a twisted view of the world and of reality. Your conspiracy theory is the source of Hollywood fiction... Your understanding of history is from a distorted lens. Your views on Jews are totally inappropriate. The only good news is that you live in a world that is tolerant of all views. Otherwise, you would have been locked up by tyrants and dictators that you seem to give a pass to... It is ironic how a person can be so blinded and think he sees the world as it truly is... Get some help my friend.

      1. Castlepaloma profile image73
        Castlepalomaposted 17 months agoin reply to this

        I do ask myself the odd time, if I am crazy. My life is based on good sense and ruled by no harm, be honest policy, I'm sound.

        Be aware of ones who don't ask if they are Crazy. They are probably hypnotized or crazies.

        Why dose the UN and most of the world hate Isreal?  Who is worst to Tolerate? me or Isreal.?

        Isreal only needs one vote- the US then democracy is dead. I hate nobody or not anti anything, just a unattached artist reporter of the freak show.

        My fine art is a realist with metaphors in historical museum displays and fantasy too. Not corrupted like Hollywood . Odd films are fine art, escape from Zionist owner/directors that brainwash you with top award winners of sex and violence. Worse than good Christian Hippocrites about sex and war Nationaism. Both lack most in natural environment and balance.

        When is a appropriate time to talk about Zionist? Without getting fired or killed. I'm self employed and self substainable don't depend on the salavery or economy masters system stresses.
        From Jewish/Zionist being 5℅ population and 10℅ land in 1943 gven by Zionists Rothschilds who also the money suppliers for wars. Isrel is almost vice versa for land and population distribution. Zionists attracted and steamrolled over Palestinians.  Saying the Jewish are the victims from the Palestinians is totally lying and brainwash of history and realty. To actually be in Isreal, check your doctor for blindness too.

        If you call me friend, I like a friendlier world. You can only help yourself out of this hypnotized robot/Zombies system,if you need my help, I am here.

        1. jackclee lm profile image82
          jackclee lmposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          You ask a simple question and I will give you a simple answer.
          The UN and most of its members are corrupt. They have done little to advance peace...
          They are biased against Israel and the US both are democracies where as most of the nations in the UN are run by dictators and oligarchy...Kings and tyrants.

          Israel is not the enemy. They are acting in survival mode.
          If you were in their position, you would probably do the same.

          The US is one shining city on the hill. If it was not for the good will of the US, the world would be in deeper chaos.

          I have a good perspective having been born in the far east and immigrated to the US at age 10...and growing up in NY and attended public schools and university...

          I worked in Corp. America for almost 30 years and traveled all over the world.
          I think my assessment of the world is pretty sound.
          Good luck to you and peace be with you.
          By the way, I am also Catholic and a Christian.

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            Castlepalomaposted 17 months agoin reply to this

            Trump and Isreal did not like the UN because they are not lining up with Trump's NWO.

            Anyone who dose not line up with the all seeing eye and the pyramid, They will attempt to destroy them.

            Some like it hot with Global Satanist.

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  46. Randy Godwin profile image93
    Randy Godwinposted 17 months ago

    I didn't claim some tribes didn't torture people, Mike. But there were also some--and Peoplepower mentioned the Cherokees--tribes who lived peaceful lives until they were forced to move to reservations by the whites. Supposedly the Spaniards thought they were much more civilized despite their tortuous Inquisition.

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      Readmikenowposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      Randy,
      Are you serious?  This Cherokee were a huge military tribe.  They fought in countless battles with white settlers, for the British, for the French and against other Indian tribes.  Look up the Tuscarora War, Yamasee War, How the Cherokee destroyed the Chestowee tribe and more.  I have a friend who is a Cherokee and lives in Oklahoma.  He's proud of their military past.  He'll brag about it.  Yes, they were part of the many tribes who were forced on the trail of tears, but to say they lived peaceful lives until then isn't true.  They were a proud warrior nation.

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        Randy Godwinposted 17 months agoin reply to this

        Yes, they may have been angry at the white man for stealing their land, you reckon?  And the Cherokee were peaceful farmers at the time of the Trail of Tears, so why were they removed? Because they had lots of fertile cleared land coveted by the white man and gold had been discovered in their mountains. They were not causing trouble at this time, while the white man was still taking their land at any opportunity by hook or crook.

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          ahorsebackposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          The dominated Native American peoples , what ?   Hundreds or thousands of Native American tribes couldn't band together and defeat the white enemy carrying a blunderbuss but had plenty of time to  defeat each other ,  raid and steal each others and  white mans horses , women and children and canoes , spend their days shooting buffalo , elk , sitting around campfires or in hot springs and smoking from long pipes and doing peyote beads ?

          What now they want a do-over ?

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            peoplepower73posted 17 months agoin reply to this

            ahorseback:  That just confirms my statement as to why wars are fought.  They were fighting over each others territory.  However, they did not have the concept of land ownership like the Europeans who conquered them.  They had boundaries but not borders.

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              ahorsebackposted 17 months agoin reply to this

              And you're right , Yet that means something now ....How , Why ?
              They are a dominated culture  a defeated people ,Peoplepower..........;-} One day America may suffer the same like most nations , peoples , cultures .

              It's called history .

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                peoplepower73posted 17 months agoin reply to this

                ahorseback:  That's right.  It is just a matter of time.  Yeah, we finally agree on something.

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                  ahorsebackposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                  Unlike apologists though , I'm not hoping and planning for that day .

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          peoplepower73posted 17 months agoin reply to this

          It's the same thing with the Sioux in the Black Hills of South Dakota.  Everything was fine with them living on their land with a treaty from the  U.S. government.  Then Gold was discovered.  The treaty was broken and they were sent to reservations as we mined their gold.  By  the way Sioux is a derogatory term that was given to them.  They like to be called Lakota.

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            Randy Godwinposted 17 months agoin reply to this

            Not to mention white man's diseases wiping out 90% of the native population. I think I'd be a bit pissed off myself.

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              Readmikenowposted 17 months agoin reply to this

              White man's disease wiped out 90 percent of native population?  I'd love to see you try and prove that one.  So, out of 232 native American tribes in the United States only 10 percent out of all of them survived?  Yeah, proof would be nice.

  47. Castlepaloma profile image73
    Castlepalomaposted 17 months ago

    It was many things,  mostly diseases. Death trails westward off their land. Native selling their land for $24. Like Manhattan. Brown race are the people of the land.

    Did a museum sculpture of Tecumseh, Shawnee chief, leader of a First Nations confederacy, military leader in the War of 1812 ...
    He was the last native to attempt to create a red nation. With all the different tribe cultures and language s, it was too difficult.

    Middle East are the new brown Indians to conquer. Funny your a murderer if you kill a few men. Your a conquer if you kill millions.

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      jackclee lmposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      So are you of the mind one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter?

      Life is harsh down through the ages...empire comes and goes...
      How else can it happen?
      When you have groups that are different and have different beliefs and cultures and customs...
      If you have a better way, let’s hear it?

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      ahorsebackposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      It is time to move all nations away from colonialism and perhaps the last part of the 20th century shows that we are ,  merely in fact dealing with the ramifications of past colonialism .   Does that then mean that we abandon the nations assaulted my others ?     By new colonialists like Iran for instance ?    There is a ladder of nations of the past centuries that were vying for the top rung of that ladder at one time or another .  Have we and all the colonialists reached their zeniths ?    Do the old geo-colonists  become now economic colonialists , trade colonialists ?  Time for everyone to stop apologizing for past transgressions however , move on , move on .

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        peoplepower73posted 17 months agoin reply to this

        Jack:  In WWII most everyone was patriotic and participated to fight the axis powers because they were a direct, tangible threat to our existence.  Today, wars are much more abstract and remote.  Our enemies don't wear uniforms and they don't invade countries to control land mass from one end of the country to the other.  ISIS tried when they first started, but Obama put a stop to that.  That's why they embedded themselves with the civilians and attacked at night.  But make no mistake, the leader of ISIS, Anwar Al Baghadi wanted to turn the entire middle east into his Caliphate.

        My point is, it seems the only time people really come together as a cohesive force is when there is a direct,  tangible threat to their existence.  This is far fetched, but if we were attacked from outer space, by some alien beings, I believe the whole human race would come together to fight them.  The Korean war and Vietnam were called police actions, not wars.  The mid-east is a "soup sandwich" with oil as the motivating factor.

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          jackclee lmposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          I agree to a point. It is human nature and it is hard to go against human nature. Man has always behave this way since the dawn of time. What will change human nature comes from faith in a God...
          The Christian God is one of salvation. Humanity will be saved by the grace of God.

  48. Castlepaloma profile image73
    Castlepalomaposted 17 months ago

    It is not my nature and for many others to kill a human being. If you make out your enemies to be demons, they are much easier to kill. Can't imagine running out of ideas to kill someone. If you join the leading killers in the history of mankind. Like political athouries and christains. Your likely to come closer to be like the Germans who join with Hitler. Hilter was born Catholic and die Catholic and Germans had strong civil obedience. Saying :God is with Us: on the soilders belt buckle.

    Was the American civil war, being civilized. White brother fighting white brother, civilized?  Was black salavery or conquering the natives, being civilized?

    People who directly killed in self defense or protecting their families on their soil like the Muslims have done,  are acting rightly civil. The NWO or powers to be who attack them for the spoils and control are the axis of evil and uncivilized..

    I say practice disobidience when it comes to war. If you want integrity, be truly civil and ethical. Or be a hard civil obidience minion or slave and join the exis of evil or another civil war.

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      wildernessposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      "Was black salavery or conquering the natives, being civilized?"

      Wrong question.  Right question: "Was black salavery or conquering the natives, being civilized under the definition used at the time?  And the answer is "Yes".  Morals change.

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        peoplepower73posted 17 months agoin reply to this

        Wilderness:  That's right morals do change.  That's why Romans don't feed Christians to the lions anymore.  That's why the Christian Crusaders don't kill the Muslims any more...but they  do.  They have just changed form.  That's why Trump wants the NFL to stand for the National Anthem while he doesn't say anything about the millions of Jehovah Witness that don't even recognize the flag or pledge allegiance to the country they live in.

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          wildernessposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          That morals change is why Trump wants the players to respect the flag?  When was that NOT the case?

          You're not making much sense.

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          jackclee lmposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          So what’s your point?
          You are all over the place...
          What does things that happen hundreds of years ago have anything to do with today?
          What is the answer now, dealing with ISIS? With Iran going nuclear, with North Korea a rogue nation?
          And with our chaotic sothern border? Crime, drugs, human trafficking...?

          You can criticize all day long but have no solutions...just wishful thinking...
          I wish the whole world is at peace...but guess what, it isn’t and there are bad actors every where.

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            Readmikenowposted 17 months agoin reply to this

            Jack, I'm kind of confused by Peoplpower's response.  I don't think that a Jehovah Witness is being payed millions of dollars to play a sport. They probably are not at work disrespecting the customers who pay to watch them play that sport.  If there is a professional Jehovah's Witness sports league, I've never heard of it.

            1. Randy Godwin profile image93
              Randy Godwinposted 17 months agoin reply to this

              Like you Mike, the JW don't give a crap about standing at attention in private while the anthem is played. tongue

              1. peoplepower73 profile image94
                peoplepower73posted 17 months agoin reply to this

                Everybody:  My point is the more things change, the more they stay the same.  Especially when it comes to morality.  Colin Kapernick might get paid millions of dollars, but that does not change how he feels about how blacks are being treated by law enforcement and the criminal justice system..  He has the right to protest in a public venue that reaches millions of viewers. 

                Money has nothing to do with it.  He did that demonstration at least a year before Trump even picked it up and made it about disrespecting the flag and the military.  Trump has never mentioned the real reason for the protest because that is part of his MO to divide and conquer.  Now he is doing it again with the NFL. 

                The more things change, the more they stay the same.  They just change form, but they are still there. Racism and prejudice are still alive and well in this country.

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                  Randy Godwinposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                  Divide and conquer. Spanky's MO in this instance. I wouldn't walk across the street to visit Spanky, much less want to see him in a former place of honor. His lies disgust me!

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                  wildernessposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                  LOL  Millions of people caught that bit of disrespect, and long before Trump was even on the scene.  He could not possibly have been even the 10 millionth person to understand what using that particular venue and that particular moment in time was about.

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                    peoplepower73posted 17 months agoin reply to this

                    Wilderness:  What do you think its about?

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                  jackclee lmposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                  I disagree. There are individual bigots and racism is inherent in some cultures and many are around the world and not just in America. However, institutional racism of the past are mostly gone in the USA. We have laws and we have a new generation of people who are more in tune with a color blind society. It is some in the media and in the race debate who are keeping this race war going...
                  They exploit every incident for maximum hurt and impact. I include Barack Obama in this category. There were several incidents which he jumped to conclusions before the facts are in. He made the situation worse instead of being the calming voice.

                  This NFL knee protest is just another aspect of this like the BLM protests...
                  If they really want to tackle this race problem, there are better ways to do it. Checkout the Peter Westbrook foundation and see what a real hero athlete did to help inner cities kids to a better life...get out of trouble of drugs and crime and join the human race.

                  The problem with this approach is that it divides us instead of talking about the real problems and coming up with solutions...

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                    peoplepower73posted 17 months agoin reply to this

                    Jack:  Trump is dividing us by bringing it up well over year after Colin made the demonstration.  Why would he do that?  He is the one who used it in his latest campaign rally by calling the NFL SOB's.  He is the one who keeps harping on it and won't let it go, because the Eagles hurt  his feelings by turning down his invitation. Why doesn't he let it go?  For two reasons, one it is a great distraction from the Mueller investigation and two he is taking it personally, because of his sick ego where he thinks he is King.Trump.

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    ahorsebackposted 17 months ago

    Racism and it's entire revival under the Great American Obama Ordeal , was brought about by systematic "racism"  in Harvard's Academia ?    The elite "racism "of the Chicago Mafia ? The "racism "on  campus halls ?  The "racism" on the teams of the NFL ?

    Yes , that makes it all extremely legit ,  Phony but very legit  ?

  50. peoplepower73 profile image94
    peoplepower73posted 17 months ago

    ahorsback:  If you want to look backward and blame Obama for dividing America, let's go back even further.  What divided America is the removal of the fairness doctrine by Reagan.  Before that, the same news outlets presented both conservative and liberal viewpoints. 

    After Reagan repealed the fairness doctrine, it opened the door for conservative news like Fox News which to this day is owned by Rupert Murdoch, an Australia mogul. 

    The purpose of Fox News, from its inception, was and  is to denigrate and tear down the liberals and the democrats while promoting republican conservative doctrine.  That is what divided this country and is still doing it today. 

    Trump plays right into to it by calling the main stream media fake news and its professional journalist evil , while taking his cues from Sean Hannity and others. 

    There is no deep state and spy gate.  Those are contrived lies to further divide the country.  Trey Gowdy and his several republican investigators have attested to that.

    1. jackclee lm profile image82
      jackclee lmposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      The country was divided before Fox news came on the scene. Back then, there was only ABC, CBS, NBC and CNN. They are all liberal news media including the NYT print media.
      A conservative like me had no voice. Fox news, was the other side but it was also balanced and had people of both political views debate and it was entertaining.
      That is why Fox news is doing well and have one of the highest viewership.
      Of course, liberals see this as a threat to their monopoly.
      Take a look for example at the NYT and how many conservstives are on their staff?
      A token David Brooks while all others have a liberal bent.
      This is true of most main stream media.
      Whatever the country is politically, it is not because of Fox news.

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      ahorsebackposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      Likely though that you would blame Reagan in your usual  twisting of your understanding of ideologies   , there is NO other reason for leftist , Alinsky bred media Bias than Obama / Clinton  , the mass hysteria of 20  somethings , alt -left lock- step .  We all know that .  Face it , the traditional democrats and the most of the news media  sold out to leftist academia's  radical  ideology and political correctness  while voting the  first black president who turned out to be another  Castro , you lost your party .

      Now you twist and turn in fantasy/ politics trying to reclaim ANY understanding and control of your lost ideology  . Reagan was the most liberty seeking president ever ,founding fathers style  , he believed unmeasurably in first amendment rights , second amendment rights , in ALL rights .

      No don't be so naive as to blame Reagan for RETRACTIONS  of freedom , blame him for re-awakening you and I  to absolute constitutional freedom .
      Reagan worked within this constitutional system , While most work to eliminate our constitution much  like Obama .

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        Readmikenowposted 17 months agoin reply to this

        With the Fairness Doctrine gone, the liberals had to provide something people wanted to listen to on the radio.   Every attempt since then to compete with conservatives on the radio has resulted in liberals being crushed by market forces, I would say unless you can provide something people want to hear, you shouldn't have the government force radio stations to carry your program.  Freedom is amazing that way. Competition is also a good thing.  On a fair playing field, liberals always lose to conservatives in the arena of ideas.

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      wildernessposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      "That is what divided this country and is still doing it today."

      How is it that only Fox is dividing the country, while liberal outlets, presenting spun, half-told stories carefully chosen to tear down the President, are not?  It always seems a trifle...self serving if you will...to hear that those people that disagree with liberal ideology are the ones dividing the country while liberals refuse to even acknowledge or speak of the good that can, and does, come from conservative ideology.  But it's only conservatives that are "divisive", because they don't toe the liberal philosophy.

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        peoplepower73posted 17 months agoin reply to this

        ahorseback:  See how this works.  No, its only liberals  that are devises because they don't toe the conservative philosophy.

        Jack:  I'm sorry, but you are wrong.  There was no CNN before Reagan. Fact:  " The Cable News Network was launched at 5:00 p.m. Eastern Time on June 1, 1980. After an introduction by Ted Turner, the husband and wife team of David Walker and Lois Hart anchored the channel's first newscast."

        So you  are saying that the Huntly Brinkly report and Walter Cronkrite were one sided liberals news cast?  And that is why right wing media was created.  You are wrong about that because I lived during the shows and they were not one sided.  Reagan wanted to promote one sided conservative values and that is why he removed the fairness doctrine.

        Your wrote:

        "Likely though that you would blame Reagan in your usual  twisting of your understanding of ideologies   , there is NO other reason for leftist , Alinsky bred media Bias than Obama / Clinton  , the mass hysteria of 20  somethings , alt -left lock- step .  We all know that .  Face it , the traditional democrats and the most of the news media  sold out to leftist academia's  radical  ideology and political correctness  while voting the  first black president who turned out to be another  Castro , you lost your party . PROVE IT

        Now you twist and turn in fantasy/ politics trying to reclaim ANY understanding and control of your lost ideology  . Reagan was the most liberty seeking president ever ,founding fathers style  , he believed unmeasurably in first amendment rights , second amendment rights , in ALL rights .

        OBAMA TAUGHT CONSTITUTIONAL LAW.

        No don't be so naive as to blame Reagan for RETRACTIONS  of freedom , blame him for re-awakening you and I  to absolute constitutional freedom .
        Reagan worked within this constitutional system , While most work to eliminate our constitution much  like Obama ."

        M: That's why Reagan and North were brought before a congressional committee for the Iran/Contra affair for running a shadow government to sell arms to Iran to fund the Contras, while also violating the Boland amendment. Reagan got away clean, but North was sentenced...and now he is President of the NRA.  That's why Reagan created the Savings and Loan Debacle that brought the country to it's knees because of the financial meltdown it created.

        You see I'm old enough to have lived through these times.  You people are just spouting right wing propaganda that you have been taught.  Here is the real factual history:

        https://www.history.com/topics/iran-contra-affair

        https://www.thebalance.com/savings-and- … st-3306035

        1. jackclee lm profile image82
          jackclee lmposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          I am old enough too and I lived through those years and I have good memory. Why do you suppose people like me were disatisfied with the big 3 news media? And the NYT?
          There were millions of us out there...
          Reagan and Rush and Fox were the answer to a problem in America. Media bias of the worst kind.
          In the arena of ideas, guess what, Conservatives win out everytime. That is why talk radio is so popular and many of us get the news from an unbiased source. It is a shame that people like you, who refuses to believe in bias. That is why you will never gained the trust of the American people. You and progressives are willing to stack the deck and win elections and push for a one world government when the people clearly see how corrupt and ineffective is government in general and big government in specific. One of these days, you will thank us conservatives for preserving our soverignty and saving the world from despots...

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            peoplepower73posted 17 months agoin reply to this

            Jack:  What you are really saying is you never watch CNN.  If you did, you would know they are not biased and give equal time to conservative panelist as well like, Kellyanne Conway, Jeffery Lord.  Last night, I watched almost a full hour interview of Sarah Huckabee Sanders on Chris Como's show.  She did not answer a single question he asked her.  She just spouted the party line.  The night before, it was a full hour of Rudy Giulianni talking about there is no collusion.

            The reason Fox is so popular is because it is radio programming that can be listened to while people are doing other things like driving.  It is then reinforced by it's TV programming.  CNN and other liberal outlets don't have that kind of an echo chamber.  They did at one time,  but they were all taken off the air and replaced with conservative radio stations.  I used to listen to Jon Hartman with Bernie Sanders...gone, Randy Rhodes...gone.

            Conservatives are better at organizing and attacking then liberals, because they feel threatened by when someone is trying to enter their domain.  Liberals are much more inclusive and less organized.  It's in each sides DNA.  I believe there should be a balance between conservative and liberals values.  That's what democracy is all about.

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              Readmikenowposted 17 months agoin reply to this

              What most liberals fail to comprehend is that when the American public is given a choice between the liberal view and the conservative view, the conservative view always wins.  The elimination of the Fairness Doctrine meant that liberals would have to compete in the media marketplace with an even playing field against conservatives.  Conservative radio crushed all liberal programming.  The American public didn't want to buy what liberals were offering.  The success of Fox News and conservative talk radio are proof that the American public thinks more of conservative ideas than anything liberals provide. Liberals have image but they have no substance.  I think the American public should get to choose who they want to listen to and watch.  It's called the FREE market.

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                peoplepower73posted 17 months agoin reply to this

                Readmikenow: 

                R:
                What most liberals fail to comprehend is that when the American public is given a choice between the liberal view and the conservative view, the conservative view always wins.  The elimination of the Fairness Doctrine meant that liberals would have to compete in the media marketplace with an even playing field against conservatives. 

                M:
                Really, is that why since the time of FDR we have had the same number of Democratic presidents as republican presidents?

                Franklin D. Roosevelt - D
                1933–1945
                Harry S. Truman - D
                1945–1953
                Dwight Eisenhower - R
                1953–1961
                John F. Kennedy - D
                1961–1963
                Lyndon Johnson - D
                1963–1969
                Richard Nixon - R
                1969–1974
                Gerald Ford - R
                1974–1977
                Jimmy Carter - D
                1977–1981
                Ronald Reagan - R
                1981–1989
                George H. W. Bush - R
                1989–1993
                William J. Clinton - D
                1993–2001
                George W. Bush - R
                2001–2009
                Barack Obama - D
                2009–2017
                Donald J. Trump - R
                2017–present

                R:
                Conservative radio crushed all liberal programming.  The American public didn't want to buy what liberals were offering.  The success of Fox News and conservative talk radio are proof that the American public thinks more of conservative ideas than anything liberals provide. Liberals have image but they have no substance.  I think the American public should get to choose who they want to listen to and watch.  It's called the FREE market.

                M:
                How does that account for the pubic voting in democratic presidents?  It was free market and non-biased before repeal of the fairness doctrine. News broadcasts were one hour long and the news was presented unadulterated from both sides. There were no panels and 24 hour echo chambers. News casters were professional journalists, not bimbos with no journalistic background siting on sofas with their skirts hiked up to their who who's.  You say it it's called free market.  I say sex sells and it's about money.

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                  Readmikenowposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                  Peoplepower, it's very simple.  Democrats win when they adopt conservative views in their platform.  Bill Clinton is a prime example.  He was for controlling the boarders, against gun control had a welfare to work program, he was for religious freedom and more.  Truman was VERY conservative by today's standards.  I would say the reason Obama was elected twice is that Romney and McCain weren't conservative enough.  You see liberalism isn't strictly a Democrat held belief system.  There are also liberal Republicans.  Many of us call them RINOs (Republican in name only), but that's another story.

                  With the Fairness Doctrine in place it was not a free market.  Broadcasters were FORCED to have programs that did not make them money BUT were required by law to have on the air.  Once the Fairness Doctrine was removed, broadcasters could focus on only having programs that made them money.  This is what gave rise to the huge success of conservative talk radio.  When the American public is given a choice, they will choose conservative.  I agree, it's about money. It's about what program can bring the highest ratings and most advertising revenue.  I don't think sex has all that much to do with the success of conservative talk radio.  I think we can agree that Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity are not as successful as they are because of their looks.

                  1. peoplepower73 profile image94
                    peoplepower73posted 17 months agoin reply to this

                    Readmikenow:

                    Limbaugh and Hannity are successful because they prostituted themselves for big bucks.  When they are questioned about their comments, they say, "Oh we are not news shows, just entertainment shows."

 
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