Who has the higher I.Q.: Donald Trump or Rex Tillerson?

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   crankaliciousposted 6 years ago

   Since this has become a topic of debate with the Secretary of State calling the President a "moron" and the President firing back that he would win a battle of I.Q.'s, who really is the smarter man?

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      wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      How can anyone make any kind of determination without testing both men?  Just throw numbers out, pretending that they mean something?

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         crankaliciousposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         Well, President Trump seemed certain he would win. Usually, I think, one way to determine I.Q. is vocabulary. It's not entirely accurate, but usually the breadth of a person's vocabulary is an indicator of their I.Q.

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            wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Hmm.  That leaves out younger children, and I've met some kids that were incredibly smart.  Not knowledgeable - that takes time - but very, very smart.  I've also met people nearly illiterate that were smart as a whip.  Education isn't much of an indicator, either. 
            
            Setting aside the few that are just lucky, would the ability to excel at things (outside physical activity) more than others do be an indicator of intelligence?  Maybe accumulating vast sums of money?

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               Aime Fposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               Would that me more indicative of intelligence, or having rich parents who made your name worth something before you were even born? Hmm...

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                  wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  Having a name will not magically produce money.  Not in large (billions) quantities, anyway.
                  
                  But just a thought in any case.  Does accomplishment far beyond the norm indicate intelligence?

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                     promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                     Actually, having a name does magically produce billions for children in the form of inheritance.
                     
                     Note that Trump wants to kill the estate tax. His children will inherit his billions and save hundreds of millions in taxes (if Trump really is worth that much).

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         ptosisposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         OK, but can tell at least one person is NOT a genius no matter what he thinks of himself.
         
         Genius IQ
         
         Anyone with a general IQ this high is undoubtedly a genius. From this range on, only specific high-range tests should be considered. You have the ability to think critically, conceptualize ideas and form your own conclusions. Your ability to think in patterns and to produce order out of chaos enables you to handle complexities and see logic in everything. Needless to say you are self-aware of your abilities and have the brains for all known occupations. If you think of intelligence as the ability to adapt easily to new situations then you are at the top of the charts.
         
         None of that describes Ol Bone Spurs

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      promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Tillerson is a moron for calling Trump a moron in a meeting with other people. Some people are smart in certain ways and really stupid in other ways.

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         crankaliciousposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         It is hard to believe he would say that, especially given the number of leaks coming out of the White House these days.

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            promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Yep, the leaks are just massive. I suspect Tillerson got away with talking like that at Exxon because he was CEO for many years and could say whatever he wanted. Now he has to watch everything he says.

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               crankaliciousposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               If I'm reading my news correctly, Tillerson was exasperated because Trump had said that he wanted to increase our nuclear arsenal by a factor of 10 and had said some negative things about the State Department during a meeting with the State Dept. personnel. This, of course, makes Tillerson's job pretty hard and I bet he wasn't too happy about the damage control he had to do. Trump is like a tornado that just upends everything he touches or talks about.

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            PrettyPantherposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            It seems that many people who wouldn't normally say things like that are saying things like that.  Trump brings out the worst in people.  He is not a leader; he is a bratty child driving his elders crazy.

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      Credence2posted 6 years agoin reply to this

      This is sort of dumb to begin with, if either Trump or Tillison want to impress me, they need to do their jobs with minimum screw up. As President, Trump should be taking the lead in tamping stufflike this down. This IQ thing is a wasteful diversion, besides Trump might be disappointed with his score. Then we will need a new test.

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      Sharlee01posted 6 years agoin reply to this

      In my opinion I think they are both well accomplished. Both have  headed up large companies, and were successful in doing so.  Rex, is certainly demure and sensible when speaking. He speaks his mind with a professional air.  However, after hearing him handle the press the other day, he clearly is a man that does not fall into any media traps. he was straight forward, and concise with his statements. Now, Trump, he is direct  blunt to how he sees a truth, and completely unfiltered. He does fall into the media traps. And banters with them.  It's  not a case of IQ, I think it's a case of personality differences. They most likely both have good IQ numbers.

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      PrettyPantherposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I have no idea who has the higher IQ.  One can have a very high IQ, but be so emotionally damaged that you use your intelligence in damaging ways that also appear to be stupid.  I think Trump might also be suffering some dementia, which only adds to the chaos in his mind.  His emotions and damaged psyche outweigh whatever intelligence might have originally been there.
      
      Just my opinion, of course.

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         ptosisposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         Just observing Trump daily 'oops' demonstrates just how clueless this guy is.  Let's just pick a single episode yesterday. I know, I know, it is so hard to choose just one in the myriad of missteps....
         
         http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/13/politics/ … index.html
         
         "I met with the President of the Virgin Islands."
         
         Either he is talking to himself in third person or he is ignorant that he is the POTUS - which includes the Virgin Islands.
         
         

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            ptosisposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Professor Kelley told me 100 times over three decades that “Donald Trump was the dumbest goddam student I ever had.”  I remember his emphasis and inflection — it went like this — “Donald Trump was the dumbest goddam student I ever had.” 
            
            Professor William T. Kelley taught Marketing at Wharton School of Business and Finance, University of Pennsylvania,

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   Aime Fposted 6 years ago

   The question could be “Who has the higher IQ: Trump or *literally anyone except maybe Peter Griffin if he were a real person*” and my money would be on literally anyone except maybe Peter Griffin if he were a real person.

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   ptosisposted 6 years ago

   The numbers are in:
   #25for45

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   Tim Truzy info4uposted 6 years ago

   There is a theory of multiple intelligences which you all alluded to in this forum. DJT obviously is not a dumb man - he duped a small portion of Americans who elected him. He did run a successful business as well. Rex is the more sensible of the two, and he ran a prosperous business. Another research finding also showed that men who wind up leading businesses are more self-centered. (They did their research when they developed the character, Michael, on the show "The Office."
   (Hypothetical) In any case, Rex would be a fun person to chat with any day; he has people skills.
   (Only hypothetical) Going to lunch with Trump: With DJT - I'm wondering if I would wind up paying the check, buying the restaurant, paying for his transportation - and he calls me an ignorant s.o.b., and then, tell me to feel good about it. He has very good con and collect skills.  - sly as a fox.

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      ptosisposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      he ran a prosperous business. NOPE.
      Name one. Realty and investing are pass-thrus

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   Credence2posted 6 years ago

   Well, people, who is taking all of this seriously? What is next, a 'willy' contest? This silly stuff should never have got into public, such a meaningless controversy between Trump and a member of his cabinet?
   
   We have plenty of challenges that stand before both men, can we do better? Romper Room?

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   ptosisposted 6 years ago

   Sorry losers and haters, but my I.Q. is one of the highest -and you all know it! Please don't feel so stupid or insecure,it's not your fault
   
       — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) May 9, 2013
   
   "I know some of you may think l'm tough and harsh but actually I'm a very compassionate person (with a very high IQ) with strong common sense" (April 21, 2013)
   
   Yes, trumps IQ is higher. That's if IQ stands for "Idiot Quotient"
   
   

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      Credence2posted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Ptosis, I ought to have you arrested for that crazy cartoon!

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   Tim Truzy info4uposted 6 years ago

   O.k. DJT didn't run his business well. But you have to ask yourself: this president is obsessed with high poll numbers and I.Q. height - what is he missing? (lol)

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