Trump gets a mental exam

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   wildernessposted 5 years ago

   At his own request, Trump received a "cognitive functions" exam.  His physician indicates he had no reason to do one and had not intended to do one, but at Trump's request he performed one of the more complex and time consuming cognitive tests.
   
   Trump passed with flying colors; Dr. Jackson indicates that he did "exceedingly well" and he has no reasons to question his mental ability.
   
   http://dailycaller.com/2018/01/16/physi … xam-video/
   
   The next question is whether those results will be accepted by either the population OR the quack "doctors" that have been saying he exhibits extreme symptoms of dementia or other illness without ever having performed an exam.  Or will it be declared a fraud, an incompetent doctor or other excuse to perpetuate the rumors?
   
   Bets, anyone?  My money is on it not being accepted any more than Obama's birth certificate was.

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      jackclee lmposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      By some of the posts in this forum, I am optimistic. Ther are some sane persons left on the left. Even if you disagree with all his policies, you don’t need to believe he is mentally unstable.
      Just as I disagree with most of Obama’s policies and I never thought he was mentally unstable. He is just an ideology that believes what he is doing...
      
      Here is the bigger point, the difference between me and the left. If Obama had succeeded in what he did, and it brought the economy back, brought back more jobs, fixed our infrastructure with the 1 trillion dollars spent, and made our people’s lives better with Obamacare...then, I would have said, perhaps I was wrong. He geot results so I would vote for him to continue in this path of prosperity.
      
      The left will never admit they are wrong or change course.

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   Claudia Philipsposted 5 years ago

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   Claudia Philipsposted 5 years ago

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   Aime Fposted 5 years ago

   I’m less likely to believe it since he very conveniently happens to have the exact height and weight measurements to keep him 0.1 below the “obese” category. Kinda tells me they’re not afraid of fudging numbers... unless of course you believe that’s a perfect coinkydink!
   
   Ultimately though I don’t really care, he’s either an unstable wanker or a stable one... either way he’s still a wanker.

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      wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      One vote for not accepting the results of the man that has been the white house physician through several presidents.
      
      Do you have a reason for your belief?  Was the doctor paid for a false result?  Has he lost his own mental abilities?  Is he incompetent?  Is he just corrupt?

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         Aime Fposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         Saying that I believe it’s possible they’ve tweaked some results doesn’t mean I don’t accept them in general. Maybe it was just that one part they tweaked, maybe he really does just so happen to be the exact height and weight statistics he’d need to be to stay out of the obese category... who knows. I don’t know what the motivation would be (maybe Trump has a computer simulation where he keeps DNA replicas of his colleagues who have wronged him on a spaceship, torturing them...) and I’m not saying I believe that everything is false or that there’s anything weird going on with the doctor. I’m saying that, as is the case with pretty much everything this administration does, there’s one thing that sticks out as being a little questionable which makes me wonder to what extent the questionable things exist.

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            PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            I just watched the movie, "The Post." The Pentagon Papers is a good reminder of how much can be hidden from the public. I accept the results because, like I said, they're all we have. It doesn't change my perception of the president's fitness for office. Mental unfitness comes in many forms.
            
            My adult autistic son has an IQ of 132 and would pass a cognitive skills test. He's still not mentally fit to be president.

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               wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

               No, can't count your vote.  "The test was true but the conclusion of mental fitness was not because they didn't test for the right thing" doesn't fit either possibility.  I should have thought of that as an excuse to continue claims of mental illness.

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                  PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  That's fair.

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         Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         Is he worried about keeping his job?  Not like that's a problem in this admin...     
         
         Or perhaps he's afraid of getting called "Jerky Jackson" if he doesn't tow the line. Nah, Donnie would never be so adolescent. Or would he? You make the call.

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            wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            You didn't vote - does the exam show he's mentally fit to be president, or is he deranged?

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               PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

               The test wasn't even a diagnostic test. It was a cognitive skills test, so you cannot accurately say it eliminates any question of mental fitness. My highly intelligent autistic son is a perfect example of someone who would pass a cognitive skills test but still be unfit.
               
               Dementia, in the case of Trump, is a more recent question anyway, since he started sdlurring his words in speeches and just getting up and wandering away during meetings. The question of his mental and emotional fitness has been around since before he was elected.
               
               So, you shouldn't be surprised that people have a hard time accepting a 10-mnute cognitive skills test as evidence of mental fitness, since it isn't  a comprehensive mental examination, like my son has had done many, many times, that would assess many factors.
               
               I don't question the doctor's  veracity. He did say he and Trump discussed between them the various tests that could be done and settled on this one.

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                  wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Yes, they settled on the more complex and extensive one - not a 10 minute question and answer session.  If you listened to the link, you would have heard the reason for his slurring as well.
                  
                  But yes, I suppose he could be a psychopath, have bi-polar, Schizophrenia, paranoia, or some of the various psychosis's.  Maybe he has PTSD, OCD or BPD (although I don't see him as having a poor self-image ).  We'll have to set the dementia aside and claim something else - paranoia would be a good bet with 99% of the media and the Hill going after him with every word he says.  Although finding out he WAS wire-tapped after claiming he was kind of hurts that one.
                  
                  If we run another test every week or so for the next 8 years we should be able to find some reason to get him out of the office!
                  
                  (Kind of reminds you of the photoshopped birth certificate, doesn't it?)

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                     PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                     I don't blame you for believing they are the same. Some of us think his behavior is normal and acceptable for a president; some don't.

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                        wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                        Oh, all those illnesses are most definitely not the same!  But I have yet to hear anyone claiming PTSD or bi-polar.  Just dementia, and now there is no reason to suspect that.  Another will be found, don't you think?  Just as you say, he was not tested for all possible mental illnesses - surely there is one in there somewhere that can be used to say he's unfit?  A personality disorder, maybe?
                        
                        PP, when we look back at some of the characters that have inhabited the White House, President Trump is pretty calm.  And if we look at the population in general he's definitely calm and self contained compared to a great many. 
                        
                        Expecting a high elected official to closely match what we think (s)he should be like and how (s)he should comport himself, seems futile.  Those people are NOT "normal" by our standards, although most of them can and do wear a mask very effectively.  They don't have the same goals, they don't have the same ethical or moral standards; they don't even live in the same "world" the rest of us do. 
                        
                        In the case of Trump, his mask is full of holes.  He doesn't seem to care if he's PC or not, he doesn't hide his anger, disgust or disdain away where no one can see it.  And I'm not sure that is a bad thing - would we rather see that or see a president that presents a suave, kindly, aristocratic and lying appearance...and then readies the knife when the door closes behind them?

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                           Aime Fposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                           I’ve been saying he shows signs of Narcissistic Personality Disorder forever and never claimed dementia, so ha! My theory is still in the running.

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                              Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                              You certainly have a good working theory.

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                              wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                              Unfair!  I doubt that anyone would deny he's a narcissist.  Not even Trump.
                              
                              But isn't the other side of the coin that believing you are the best person for any high office, not to mention the presidency, requires a fair bit of narcissism?

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                                 Aime Fposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                 Oh no he’d say something along the lines of “I am very humble. In fact, I’ve been told by many humble people that I’m the most humble person they’ve ever met.”
                                 
                                 I’m willing to bet a toonie on it.

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                                    jackclee lmposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                    Very good. Now that you know him so well, why don’t you ignore the distraction and concentrate on what he actually does or try to do to fix our country.

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                                    wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                    LOL  You won't make that bet with me!  Not unless I can take your side of it.
                                    
                                    But claiming to be humble when it's just not there could be another sign of narcissism, don't you think?

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               Aime Fposted 5 years agoin reply to this

               Not showing signs of dementia is the only criteria for being fit to be president, is it? That’s setting the bar pretty low.

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   Claudia Philipsposted 5 years ago

   Perfect!

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   PrettyPantherposted 5 years ago

   I accept the results, as they are the only results we have. To quote my husband, "That just means he's crazy and can't blame his behavior on dementia."

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      Marisa Wrightposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      I like it.

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   Live to Learnposted 5 years ago

   LOL. This will continue, as long as the birther complaints went on. Expect it to last as long as the presidency, and beyond.
   
   Willful ignorance keeps dreams of happy dances alive.

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      wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      That's MY side of the bet!  I need someone on the other side, so I can earn something.
      
      What excuses do you think we'll hear?  Was the doctor (long time white house physician) compromised and paid off?  Was he incompetent?  Corrupt?

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         Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         I suppose claims will be made that the doctor's judgment was compromised by threats. But, I think those inclined to hate Trump at every turn will simply ignore the results and continue claiming whatever makes them feel good about their chosen opinion.
         
         Like the birthers, they aren't interested in reason.

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            wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            So was his request a good idea?  It won't convince the haters of anything, and provides yet one more scapegoat they can attack (Dr. Jackson), but might solidify the opinions of supporters and fence sitters as yet another wild claim is show completely false.

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               Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this

               I think your exchange with PP proves the point.
               
               And, I agree. Listening to the dogmatic and firmly entrenched refusal to consider any evidence, fence sitters will be less inclined to look at the arguments against everything he does as truthful and unbiased.

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