Am I really going to hell?
Are religious people, who think unbelievers are going to hell, bothered when people of other religions think they themselves are going to hell for not believing this second religion? Perhaps they just don't care because they don't believe in the god that is supposedly sending them to hell? Why does that sound familiar?
Hi Luke! I truly don't think people are up to the task of deciding who should end up where. Not for us to judge.
My husband's idea of hell would smell like a Victoria's Secret store.
Haha, I agree. Thanks for the answer Besarien!
I should think that's your husband's idea of heaven!
@SayYes: I believe Besarien is making a distinction between visual and olfactory stimulation. I used to work there, and will tell you that eventually the latter overpowers the former.
Hell's nothing to be afraid of. Not only does it not exist, but even if it did, think about this for a moment: The reason you feel pain is due to your nerve endings sending information to the brain--both of which you won't have in Hell, because they'll be in your casket, separate from your soul. Of course, this gets into the issue of how you can experience Hell in the first place without a brain to process any stimuli, but that just proves that the entire concept is incompatible with any logic or reason.
You literally just need to apply a single brain cell to the idea in order to be able to deconstruct it. And then the answer's clear--there's no need to worry about something that doesn't exist.
Those who make those kinds of threat are living in their own hell. Contrary to them being "TOLD" what to believe and not read the Bible by themselves as adults, ther is no hell. There was a firey pit, yes. That was not to be construed as hell for the living. That is where the establishment burned their dead. It was not bad either as they had to do that to keep disease and all kinds of pest away from the dead bodies and the towns.
Ha! I do not believe in Satan and then I am called that. It makes no sense whatsoever. It is the indocrintation of the church and that only.
This information is incorrect. Jesus spoke a lot about hell. There most definitely is a Satan. How can there not be w/all the evil in the world?
Stargrrl, stop it. Please stop picking on me. I don't know why you chose to pick on me. I am NOT your TOY or your CHILD. I will NOT join your way of Thinking. Do not write me on my BLOG or send ur cronies to do so either. Capeche?
@Lady Guinevere: you're right. Satan doesn't exist like the bible states. It's indeed an indocrintation of the church. Any other statement is nonsense.
Nice look into the historical origin of the idea of hell. Two thumbs up!
Star, playing innocent will not get you out of this. You are a joke. Actually all that you have said and done to me makes me think that you have multiple personalities. Many others do not believe as U but U only pick on me.
LG: What is with the personal attacks?
Buildreps: If you say so...
Chill out guys, haha. Please use this forum constructively and support your claims with reasonable evidence. Everyone has a right to their faith, just as they have the right to not have blind faith forced upon them. Most of you are rad, keep it up.
Star PROVE there is a place as hell. Where is it located on this earth and how do you get there--travel-wise. Do you know ANYTHING about the hystory of the people who put the bible together or the places there of or even the slang they used to talk
Hell is located in the center of the earth. Start digging.
Hell is here on Earth sweetheart, that is if you make it that way.
Stargrrl thansk for the laugh. U start digging urself. U never answer my question...why did you choose me to pick on? Who told you to do that? Why is anything that I say WRONG even when I quote scripture? The devil made you do it?
To me "hell" and "heaven" are both states of mind - a person can be very much in either "place" while very much alive here on Earth. I think the concept of hell was taken from a spiritual one and dogmatized like pretty much everything else in religion and used to scare and control people. This tactic was obviously very effective since the same beliefs are still in play for numerous people even in a modern world that should know better.
I agree that we should know better. I am relieved at the rationalism these commentators have shown. The tactic of threatening people into believing something is truly ill-advised. Thanks for your answer.
I agree with your statement. Today it is used the same as yesterday's with regards to control of the masses. It is said in the Catecism of the Catholic Chrush that they are to keep everyone in the dark. Guilt is one way of doing that effectively.
I believe you are either in heaven or hell here on Earth. It all depends what you make it or LET others make it for you. Just my opinion, Greg.
Imagine yourself in the shoes of a Syrian refugee, or a Hutu who's arms and legs are chopped off with machetes, or a Ukrainian who got caught in the middle of the rebel conflict. They cannot imagine going to hell, because in their imagination they are already in hell. In their imagination there can be only heaven after that hell.
In a sense you could go to hell, when you reincarnate as a Hutu and get caught in the middle of a new conflict with the Tutsis. Maybe is this what Hindu call 'karma'. Karma would be something that restores the balance. But why would you be punished so severely? What bad did you do that would justify you going to this hell? M*sturbation? Cursing? Having evil thoughts?
Abrahamists who take all the bible says literally, think there's something hellish that God created, where pagan souls are send to. But what's the logic in this? If you would go to hell, then why would Satan not reward you for coming to him? Why would Satan punish his followers? He would end up on his own. Isn't it?
The link to the book I posted on your other thread makes mincemeat of all hell nonsense that Abrahamists want you to believe. Follow your inner guide of reason and Logos!
@Buildreps: Ultra superb points. I never asked myself why the devil would be so lame to his best clientele, but this idea certainly has legs. About reasons for hell: exactly, why would god give you free will and then punish you for using it? Thanks!
Star knows the answer to that and if you do not agree with you she goes on a tirade and then tells you that you are.
Satan does not punish his followers...he himself is destined for punishment from God, and all who follow him are destined as well. Satan does not care about his followers anyway, because he is pure evil. His major beef is with God.
The bible teaches that anyone who has not accepted Jesus Christ as his or her savior will be tormented in hell forever. It is what it is.
@SG: That is certainly what it is, but what it is is solely that, a book that says things. Lots of books say things. What is the evidence for the infallibility of this particular book? Please note that evidence for something cannot derive from itself
All I am saying is that I'd rather spend my life believing in God to find out there is none (I'd be just dead), than to live my life not believing in God and find out He does indeed exist...you have nothing to lose....
so your belief is self-serving then Star? Because it sounds like you are then only choosing to believe because you fear retribution. I agree with Luke - a lot of books say a lot of things. I don't believe those either without evidence.
Part of me fears God, yes, because of what He can do. I am afraid of hellfire. Lots of books say things, true...but the bible has been around for thousands of years, it wasn't written yesterday.
yet we wouldn't follow the advice of other books that old - we rely on modern understanding and wisdom. No disrespect intended, I just think the best way forward is progress, not a Bible.
Yeah I agree with Christin. If the ages of books were positively correlated with their accuracy we would believe in pegan religions, which are older.
If only Rome did not burn all the books of knowledge at Alexandria. All that knowledge lost for something as petty as not wanting others to know truth and cures and a whole lot more. Church takes things out of context to control, period.
hell is really on earth and often prosecuted by the religious against other sects and atheists. Consider the Spanish Inquisition. They used tortures including burning at the stake, often on "spectral evidence". There are plenty of modern counterparts. You don't need to go to hell if you are already there.
According to the Bible, when people die it is finished. Then they will not be able to do anything, will not be feeling anything any more, all thoughts will be gone and it shall be too late to do something. therefore the Word of God warns us to do the right things before it is too late.
“For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not anything, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.” (Ecclesiastes 9:5 ASV)
“Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do [it] with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in Sheol, whither thou goest.” (Ecclesiastes 9:10 ASV)
“His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; In that very day his thoughts perish.” (Psalms 146:4 ASV)
“For in death there is no remembrance of thee: In Sheol who shall give thee thanks?” (Psalms 6:5 ASV)
“For Sheol cannot praise thee, death cannot celebrate thee: They that go down into the pit cannot hope for thy truth.” (Isaiah 38:18 ASV)
“19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; and man hath no preeminence above the beasts: for all is vanity. 20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.” (Ecclesiastes 3:19-20 ASV)
The hell in Scriptures (sheol) is the grave and not a place of eternal torment. The fire spoken off was the fires which had to be kept burning to make sure that in case somebody died his corps could be burned as quickly as possible to avoid infections.
I think there are no "Hell" and "Heaven" Concepts, these both are just fear factors of all the Religions because to control the Human Behaviour, To accept this there are no proofs for that, this is my opinion, Luke.
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