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Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years ago
The president made a huge mistake getting involved in the incident where the professor from Harvard was arrested. He is trying to back pedal today, claiming his remarks needed clarification.

Racism is a serious issue, and there are legitimate complaints to be made about police profiling and inequalities in sentencing, but throwing fire bombs into the discussion, (referring to the actions as stupid) while the incident is still being investigated is absolutely irresponsible for a nationally prominent figure, especially a sitting president.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk93HgYk … r_embedded
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  Ambitionposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Obama in this statement looks like more of an African american rather than president. But according to me he should investigate more before making any comments
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  Maddie Ruudposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yipes! That comment seems out of line to me. If I speak out on behalf of a white Hubber, does that make me more Caucasian-American than Community Manager?
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  pgrundyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks Maggie. That was my thought exactly.
  
  Obama can't be African American AND President??? Why not??? I mean, he is both of those things. It's a weird and 'off' thing to say.
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  rastrotherposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  not unless you start by saying that the person you are defending is being racialy profiled. while i dont agree the comment because it does no good to post it, i understand what he means, but either way regardless if it was racially motivated or not the president should stay out of it. thats just way to much publisity and that should be handles by the proper authoritys.
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You offend easily. I believe African-American may have meant community organizer.
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RooBeeposted 15 years ago
Dangit, apparently I misunderstood the title of your post.
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  Davinagirl3posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Me too!
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  Make Moneyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That's funny.
  
  But like the professor I would have been belligerent with the police if they had have stopped me from going into my own home after showing them my ID as well.
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  SweetiePieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Whereas I would suggest being cool with the police, I have seen people overreact in certain situations. Maybe he lost his cool, but he was not the first one to do so. Anyone who has the misfortune of losing their keys and/or being locked out of their house can sympathize with this man. The lesson to be learned is try to keep your cool in all situations.
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  nicompposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Then you would have deserved to be arrested.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ah...but would he have been?
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  rastrotherposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  yes he would have. im a cop and im hear to tell you, you start acting belligerent and causing a disturbance. you go to jail where i work at real quick dont matter who you are.
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  AsherKadeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  you are COP?
  
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  rastrotherposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  Make Moneyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well maybe I just don't understand the laws in the US. As far as I'm concerned the professor deserved an apology as soon as he showed his ID. If he hasn't got one yet then he is still deserving of one. Or is this part of Homeland Security or something? Or three strikes and you are out? Three belligerent strikes against you and it's life? I'm starting to understand why the US is recognized as the most incarcerated population on the planet.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with you.I also think Obama was right to mention it in the way that he did. It looks like blatant racism from the police.
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  Make Moneyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Your darn right Earnest. Obama was right to mention it. Whether it was racist or not I hope this starts a real close look at police brutality. The amount of deaths from cops over using the taser is just atrocious. Not just in the US but Canada too. I used to give to this charity where cops would take kids fishing. Not much but when the cops phone anymore looking for more I ask if the taser has been banned yet. When they say no I start into how disgusted I am about it. I guess I'm being belligerent but we are aloud to voice our opinion here. Especially when they are on our phone or our property.
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You are the type of person that is bringing this country.............Just like Obama.
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  nicompposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  He followed the police out of the house and harassed them. A neighbor witnessed the exchange and stated that he behaved in a confrontational manner. He wasn't arrested for being in his house or for being black.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm with you on this one. I'm not aware of a law against belligerence toward a police officer. Whether or not what was said was unlawful would require greater specificity. Too often, merely arguing politely, possibly with a raised voice, results in a nasty overreaction by thin-skinned policemen. Many policemen have a low tolerance for disagreement, especially from African-Americans on the part of white policemen.
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  rastrotherposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  me three
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  AsherKadeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  so I wasnt the only dirty mind....
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Look back, you'll find what you were looking for.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Me four....Oh wait, this is my thread...never mind.
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  AsherKadeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  dirtty man!
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Where did you get that picture of me?
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  AsherKadeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  a really BAAAAAAAAD B rated magazine, sorry dude...
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  KCC Big Countryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I actually wrote a hub a long time ago about boners. It was originally titled "Please Pardon My Boner". It has been renamed...."Synonyms for Mistake-My Favorite Mistake". It's about the first time I heard "boner" used for mistake.
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  AsherKadeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  reminds me of my sis in HS, she was a trumpet player, and her sweet virginic self asked what a blow job was...
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  At least she didn't inquire about the dirty sanchez or the cleveland steamer
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  AsherKadeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  WTF? I just wrote the dude and am begging her to return....
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Damn, I thought I was so cutting edge!
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  dennisemattposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  ha ha ha!!! I saw boner....
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Glad we could help
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  AsherKadeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  wow....that was exciting and my spouse wasn't even around....now where's that chic that said forum titles were stupid around here??????????????
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Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years ago
Are you accusing me of deliberately using a double entendre to attract traffic? Perish the thought!
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SweetiePieposted 15 years ago
Obama actually did a good thing by speaking his mind on this one. Remember during the Rodney King beating when during the first trial all the police officers got off the hook? I think the destruction of the LA riots was wrong, but the truth is there has been racial profiling of African-Americans and Mexicans. It is not popular for a political official to speak the truth, but he was just sharing his opinion on this one.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  We don't know what "the truth" is yet. Obama's premature articulation (there I go again) adds to the problem rather than helping to solve it.
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  SweetiePieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry, but I have to disagree with you on this one. It does sound like a case of racial profiling if it was the man's own house.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And that's the problem; neither you, I, nor the president has all of the facts. The fact that the man owned the house does not entitle him to cause a public disturbance. The fact that he and Obama are friends is a further reason for the president to stay out of this. The arresting officer's story: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07 … tt-arrest/
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  SweetiePieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  However, if you read my comment you would see I said people should keep their cool in all situations. However, Obama speaking his mind on this one is not the end of the world, and there is such a thing as racial profiling. I am not saying for certain that it happened in this situation, but I would have to wonder about it in this case. Also, I have to add we need to look at other sources than Fox, so here are two more:
  
  http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/22/harvar … index.html
  
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8164862.stm
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Your link actually backs up my assertion very well. Even after "cooling off" Gates is talking about a lawsuit. He committed a misdemeanor, was eventually arrested after repeated warnings, and seemed to indicate that he is above the law because of his relationship with Obama.
  
  Racism is a real problem. False charges of it without evidence sets efforts to deal with it back. Correlation does not equal causation.
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  rastrotherposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  don't arguee with her ron it does no good. trust me on this she dosnt listen.
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  rastrotherposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  yeah i agree with you, we don't know the truth yet. what it sounds like and what it is are two different things. the guy no matter what should be thankful to the cops for being so protective over his house. when it comes to law enforcement alot of times its nothing to do with racial issues like like you think. i would be more worried about just being at the wrong place at the wrong time. if it's one thing i learned about cops, they dont care about who you are all they care about is getting the next big arrest. with that being said i would be more concerned with wrongful conviction rather than racial profiling.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Why do you say that?
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The professor was beligerant to the police, when they answered a non-profiling call. He didn't show ID, so he could have been a perp. What would you want the police to do if it was your home?
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  Ralph Deedsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  I read that Gates showed his Harvard I.D. and his driver's license. Try to stick to the facts.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It was very quickly established and acknowledged that Gates was in his own home. The situation escalated when Gates ignored the officer's repeated warnings to back off. I don't believe that Gates lost his cool, I think he saw an opportunity and basically "begged" to be arrested.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Just curious, why do you think Gates "begged to be arrested." It strikes me more likely that he reacted the way he did because he was in his own house and the policeman didn't accept his identification; he resented the way he was approached by the white policeman; and perhaps because he was tired from his long trip and frustrated at not being able to unlock his own front door. I can't imagine why Gates would "beg to be arrested." He's a noted scholar, not a rabble rouser like some other African-Americans like Malcolm X, Bobby Seale or some contemporaries who shall remain nameless. However, I've never met Gates, and I suppose its possible that he's a pugnacious little guy with a cane. Maybe Crowley was afraid Gates was going to hit him with his cane? Or maybe the cane had a knife that could be popped out by pushing a button?
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Then why did the city of Cambridge, days prior, say the arrest was "regrettable and unfortunate?" Do you typically regret doing things that were smart?
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The city of cambridge did not, the Mayor did, and she tactfully said "the situation is certainly unfortunate" not the arrest. I agree that it is an unfortunate situation. The story isn't over yet, but the preponderance of the evidence to this point indicates that the officer's initial response was appropriate; Mr. Gates acted innapropriately and illegally (disturbance not entry), and that the officer will be crucified for being less politically connected than the perpetrator.
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The Cambridge Police Dept said the arrest was "regrettable and unfortunate."
  
  I don't know if this is a matter of racism or rather a "contempt of cop" charge, which IS stupid. Keep in mind Obama did not accuse the officer of being racist, only that he acted stupidly. It seems the officer's own police department agrees with the president.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The neighbors sure thought it smacked of racism ,makes ya think
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  They most certainly do NOT!
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  She just doesn't want to understand the facts.
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Because the President got involved.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  How so ?
  If he'd said nothing ,no doubt he would have had yet another thread complaining about that too
  Obama is damned if he do ,damned if he dont it seems.
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Absolutely true. He had already faced a barrage of criticism about not having done enough...even before he was inaugurated.
  
  The criticism is so ridiculous and unfocused that it risks becoming noise that the country will learn to ignore.
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  SweetiePieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  More than many elections in the past I have seen a great deal of people mad about Obama winning. I watched an HBO documentary about people who were voting for McCain, and at the end everyone at the Phoenix, AZ McCain headquarters filled out of the room with irritated looks on their face as Obama gave his acceptance speech. Only the people cleaning the event hall stayed to watch the acceptance speech.
  
  One thing I have noticed is anyone who says they voted for Obama or who likes Obama is poked fun at. Some of us actually made informed decisions when we elected him, and I could care less when I tell people I like the man. I liked Clinton too, so if that makes you mad at me so be it.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I like Obama too. I don't like a lot of his policies, and I certainly don't like it when he publicly attacks police officers who acted appropriately.
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  SweetiePieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I personally do not see his comments as a public attack. Maybe not as politically correct as some would like, but he did have a right to be outraged by this incident.
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Imagine that, people from McCain's home state were angry their favorite son lost. Have you watched or read any news? You are young, no person running for or elected President was ever treated as well as Obama.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe it's just me, but I don't think he reads our threads.
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  He reads Saul Alinsky.
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It is not the job of the President to get involved in a local problem, this DID hurt him. Profiling can be a good thing if you profile individuals most likely to. Why do people love TV shows that involve profiling? When a terrorist is caught due to profiling, I bet you cheer. Why not on crimes?
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  pgrundyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  At least it wasn't Dick Cheney, who instead of using an adverb like "stupidly" might have instead shot somebody in the face over it--and then made them apologize to him for getting in the way of his gun.
  
  He still could have them both over for a beer afterward though.
  
  What's a face full of buckshot between friends?
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SweetiePieposted 15 years ago
Whereas I do not agree with suing people, I think in this case he may be angry. Also, the Fox news article with the officer seemed just as confrontational when the officer said "butt" out to the president, as Obama did when he said the police acted "stupidly". Maybe at this point the case is being blown out of proportion. Also, the professor may have felt he was discriminated against, and we were not there to see how he was treated.

My links also back up what I am saying.
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RooBeeposted 15 years ago
Thanks, Sweetie Pie. If anyone denies that Fox News has a HUUUUUGE bias, then I say 'good day'. I do understand, though, they just swing the one way, other networks swing the other way.
Seriously, though, while he probably should have held his tongue (even he knows that) I can't blame Obama for his comment. He is a human being. If any of us had just heard that our buddy (race irrelevant) had been harassed by police at his own home and the buddy says he did nothing wrong and had id'd himself and everything...we might be inclined to think: "those stupid cops!"
The cop says, "hey, I'm not racist because I tried to save a black man's life once." Um, he was a campus cop and the guy collapsed in front of him at a track event. He kind of had to do something to try and help. That hardly proves anything one way or the other.
Ah, well, I digress - really, I just wanted to see Obama's boner.
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I bet you'll see a lot more, give it some time
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  jiberishposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I Agree. Give someone enough rope, they'll eventually hang themselves.
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  FOX is so bad, that's why they always win the news ratings. The latest has them ahead of Katie Couric. It's the only station not to side with the President. O'Reiley was the one that said speculator's were responsible for spiking oil prices three years ago. Gee, now it's been proven.
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Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years ago
OK OK

Here it is:

File photo from a 1997 visit to Kenya
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SweetiePieposted 15 years ago
Nepotism happens under every presidency and in every profession. President Jackson was well known for the spoils system because nepotism was especially rampant in his administration.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  More importantly, he committed genocide against the native people of Tennessee and Georgia. Actual racism.
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  SweetiePieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Jackson is the most racist president to go down in history. The Trail of Tears and ignoring the Supreme Court go on to show that. I really never liked the guy to be honest.
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annvansposted 15 years ago
Well, they did arrest him for disorderly conduct right? Not for breaking into his own house.
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Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years ago
Responding to a reporter's question on Gates' arrest, President Obama said Wednesday night that the Cambridge police "acted stupidly."

Sounds rather attack like to me.
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Aren't you mincing words here? Seriously.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not sure you understand the meaning of that term. What I have expressed is the exact opposite of minced words.
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry, sometimes I need to remember to add a /sarcasm end tag when I'm talking with people who don't know me.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Gotcha'
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Go get 'em Ron.
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SweetiePieposted 15 years ago
The arresting officer told the president to "butt" out of his arrest, which also makes me wonder. That is way too confrontational. Other presidents have said people acted stupidly before. At this point it either boils down to we can let this go as we really do not have any control over the situation, or you can donate money to this officer's legal fund if you think he is the one being discriminated against.
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Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years ago
Hot off the wires:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090723/ap_ … disorderly

Houston, we have a problem
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SweetiePieposted 15 years ago
When someone has a background in racial profiling that does not 100% exonerate their behavior. He may be a good officer in many cases, but he is refusing to apologize for the incident. It sounds as if an apology would clear up a lot of things in this matter. I still find his comments about "butting out" abrasive, to say the least.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You are supporting a lost cause. Are you a Clippers fan by chance?
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  SweetiePieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I am not supporting a lost cause, and several others on this thread have expressed the same views as myself. Ron, I have noticed that even though I agree with some of what you say, your approach is way too confrontational, but that seems to be popular around here lol. I think you are blowing something way out of proportion! Like that for size . I made some very good points today. By the way, I hate sports except for ice skating lol.
  
  Also, an apology would clear things up. That is common sense playground knowledge, for Kindergarten.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Agree 100% with you on common sense SP and indeed you show great maturity for one so young ,keep it up ,the world needs people that see past their own backyard
  What on earth does sports have to do with anything? except sports .
  
  On a side note if more than 50% of Americans voted Mr Obama in , its about time a few positive threads reflected this ,or could it be the Republicans are just a noiser bunch lol
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Obama's ratings have dropped below 50%. Since WWll there have been 12 President's. The one with the lowest favorable rating at this point of his first term is Barack Obama (he may be 10th).
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  OK then, appologize.
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  SweetiePieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I have nothing to apologize for, I was referring to the officer in the case. He could have just apologized to Gates as he asked.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, I thought perhaps you were appologizing for the personal attacks you made on other posters.
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  SweetiePieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I have never personally attacked anyone. That is rude and out of line!
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You're being defensive and...... wait! earlier you accused me of being defensive. I've personally attacked you for your personal attack! Help, we're stuck in the vortex of circular argument!
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  SweetiePieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  First off I never made any personal attack. I just poined out your were being too confrontational insisting that I was on a lost cause just because I do not think Obama mispoke. You are now miscontruing everything.
  
  I am standing by what I believe in this case and you are welcome to disagree, but I will not be spoken down too.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  rastrotherposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  sure you have. as soon as someone dosnt agree with you, you start making personal attacks. im glad to see that im not the only person who thinks this way.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Except that he had nothing to apologize for (or "beg for forgiveness" as Gates put it).
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  SweetiePieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well in this case Gates deserves an apology. I on the other hand was simply expressing the opinion that Obama did not mispeak in this case. Glad that the two can prove your points against one person, so I will let you have the thread.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Can I send you some muffins?
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hardly. If anyone deserves an apology in this case it is the police officer. At least three prominent people owe that hard working public servant an apology.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Today it seems the president disagrees with your assertion that he did not misspeak.
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  JYOTI KOTHARIposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  He did good work indeed.
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The police officer did nothing wrong. An Afriican-American Police Sgt was at the scene and that was what he said.
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SweetiePieposted 15 years ago
Some very good political hubbers have left the forums as of late. There is a reason for that as only certain people only want to hear their own opinions around here .
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Mishaposted 15 years ago
Care to be more specific?
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SweetiePieposted 15 years ago
No, because these people can only speak for themselves. I have spoke to them via email, and basically they were tired of the drama on the political forum. Some people are way too harsh towards others, and I am entitled to express that opinion.
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You are entitled to anything you think you entitled to. But if you want your words to be taken seriously, you better support them with some proof.
  
  Oh, and drama is always a two way street
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  SweetiePieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  First off, I am not really worried about you takinng me seriously because I know you just do not think I am very cool. Second off many people do take me seriously here, so if you do not I could care less.
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I am taking you seriously, as anybody around. Sometimes I don't take your words seriously, though - like in this case.
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  SweetiePieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Actually many people take my words seriously, and to be frank you love to question certain people. I see how you treat others, and I have never been someone you thought was cool. I am standing by my point here, you are not going to make me back down. I take my words seriously, but I find it riduclous you have to even question me about a situation that had nothing to do with you.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Is this bickering about bickering?
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  SweetiePieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  TK, I am going to stand up for myself, and I am not bickering!
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  ...she bickers...
  
  Take it easy. I don't think anyone is getting on your case the way you seem to think they are. At least, from what I've read of the thread. If you don't take comments on a forum too much to heart you may spare yourself some unnecessary angst.
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tksenseiposted 15 years ago
Soooo...anyone taking this discussion too personally/seriously?
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Perish the thought. Have you read the thread all the way through? The point was that it is still early and no one, especially a president should be publicly attacking this officer for doing his job. As more news becomes availavble it seems clear who owes who an apology here. I would respect Obama for doing so, but I'm not holding my breath.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I couldn't agree more.
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Mishaposted 15 years ago
LOL aren't you guys tired of bickering? Go say a good word about one another on the neighbor thread, just for change
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Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago
It's not like he made a special point of attacking the officer, he was asked and his opinion was that it was stupid...
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  pgrundyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I thought it was stupid. Why can't Obama say he thought it was stupid? It was stupid! The officer should not have arrested this man IMO. He was in his own house, he'd shown the officer two IDs, he was upset and the officer felt 'dissed' apparently, but so did Dubois. The police should have calmed things down not hauled the guy off in handcuffs. It was a bad choice.
  
  It's hard to imagine that happening to a white guy, much less a white Harvard professor.
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SweetiePieposted 15 years ago
Very cute muffin.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks you're a cute little muffin yourself. (offered respectfully of course)
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SweetiePieposted 15 years ago
I am not upset with you Ron. I actually liked a lot of what you had to say on the second amendment forum. Really though I did say what I felt on this thread, so I was just willing to let others have it at this point. There is nothing else I can really add here.
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Maddie Ruudposted 15 years ago
Admin Note:

Any more back-and-forth digs at each other (ie, BICKERING) will result in the thread being closed entirely. Let's have a nice discussion, folks, not get sucked into that unhelpful, unproductive nastiness.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah you guys, that's uncalled for. Have a muffin.
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  rastrotherposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  im thinking of switching to another site. you cant have any fun on this one anymore. now i see why the frog man left.
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  AsherKadeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  the frog left????????????????
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  rastrotherposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  the last i heard of him he said he needed to leave because they were attacking the stuff he wrote about. in my opinion people take stuff to seriously.
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  AsherKadeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  ppl attack my stuff too...I'm so bummed...I hope I didn't cause it..all I ever said was explain his/her comment on my post...but not in a confrontational way...dude, this is not cool...
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  TheMoneyGuyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I forget that although the internet advertises itself as a place for the free exchange of ideas, thoughts, and opinions.
  
  It is by and large privately owned and operated and with that the ever creeping fascist ideals of moderating the thoughts and emotions of its plebes, is as ever prevalent just as it is in all other forms of media.
  
  Let me and the other hubbers choose which threads to read and participant in or not. As a veteran with 5 tours to Iraq I despise like hell another human being having the nerve to tell me what I can and cannot read, say or think.
  
  If the hubbers think this thread is unsavory or unproductive they will kill it by not showing up and going on to that which they feel adequately fills their time.
  
  Thank you for proving fascism and tyranny is alive and well at home.
  
  Glenn West
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  Maddie Ruudposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Glenn:
  
  This has nothing to do with fascism or tyranny. HubPages has rules, which you agreed to when you signed up for the site. Those rules include that personal attacks are not permitted. If you don't like the rules here, you can engage in the activities we forbid elsewhere.
  
  I've given this example before, but I think it illustrates the point well, so it bears restating. You have the right to freedom of speech, yes. But if you start shouting profanities in a restaurant, you may be refused service and asked to leave. That doesn't make the restaurant manager a fascist. It doesn't make him a tyrant. It doesn't make him a censor. It's him following company policy, which was developed to protect his clientele and maintain his business.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Maddie, I haven't read every post, but it seems to me that the discussion of this hot issue has been civil and not in violation of HubPages rules. I may have missed something. I agree with HubPages rule, but we're not in a Sunday school class.
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  Maddie Ruudposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Of course, Ralph. Healthy discussion and disagreement are welcome. I posted that warning way back in the thread where things were starting to get nasty and personal. Glenn pulled that warning out of the woodwork and referenced it out of context, where it is no longer necessarily applicable.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I had to scroll way back to see what the warning was referring to. I agree the flag should have been thrown.
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  Maddie Ruudposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You meant I'm not a fascist tyrant after all?
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I didn't say that.
  
  Maybe you can be considered a benevolent dictator.
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Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago
You like your muffins don't you?
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  everbody does
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Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years ago
Bill Cosby's comments:

http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/ … fs-arrest/
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  Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That's a very smart comment. But it's like people were just waiting for Obama to say something seen as favoring a black man to blow it all out of proportion.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yep, he stepped into an obvious trap. Shoulda shut his yap.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I dunno Ron, the American public may be ok with it long term..
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  AsherKadeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  who cares about him...I coulda "told ya so" a long time ago that this was not going to be pretty...
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't think so. The more info we get the more Obama looks like the one who did something stupid. He has set race relations and community policing back with his ill-advised comments.
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N. Ramiusposted 15 years ago
Whatever the outcome of this incident is, Obama will probably suffer a political setback as a result for responding in on this. This incident quickly drew attention away from his hour long speech on health care. Probably not the smartest comment to make.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It was exactly what he wanted. That's why he planted his long time friend from Chicago there to ask the question so people would be talking about this idiotic professor instead of the idiotic health care plan.
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Interesting turn. Certainly has some merit
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  Ralph Deedsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Do you have any factual basis for this claim (planting the question)?
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blue dogposted 15 years ago
perhaps, in this day and age of instant communication, the officer should have placed a call to hq, before the arrest, for a bit of clarification. does anyone have any info on that slant?
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  He did. The Cambridge Police held a press conference where his superiors indicated that he followed all pertinent procedures.
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  AsherKadeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  we always verify warrants or wants on TCIC...
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  Eaglekiwiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Apparently the officer was asked how he felt being called 'stupid' by the President ,his answer ,"well I didnt vote for him anyway"...
  Maybe a refresher course back at the Acadaemy might help the officer ,but I doubt it.
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  AsherKadeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  you are always suppose to verify the warrant. People who know who I am STILL verify the warrant for themselves...
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The officer in question actually taught a course on race and proper procedure at the police academy. By all reports he was an exemplary officer for over a decade.
  
  And now he has all this to deal with because some arrogant, self-important professor was 'cranky' and because our president wanted something to distract from the fact that his ill-advised health care plan is going down like the Titanic.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Who wouldn't be cranky?
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  He was 'cranky' before the police ever got there, and its no excuse for his behavior.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I strongly disagree.
  Health care was and is a mess.
  Sure if youre wealthy and Uncle George looked after you well for the last 8 years ,youd be kicking up a right lil stunk about now. People who earn millions will pay more taxes to help fund this venture.
  Now isnt that the good 'ole America that takes care of everyone.
  Yes indeed ,it will be a new phenomenon to distribute the wealth.
  
  As for the cop and his posse, cause and effect comes to mind.
  They caused it,they should wear it.
  Just sounds like a typical bunch of cowboys, high on testoserone
  another country they might be called the goon squad
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No one said it wasn't.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  They caused it? By responding to a call to protect the professor's house? By doing their job? By trying to make sure the specific professor in question wasn't having his home burgled?
  
  Yeah, ok.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ok, you got half of it right.
  Police responded.
  Police analysed situation
  Police sighted ID.
  Police made wrong decision.
  Its called Over-reacted.
  
  If he wasnt a Professor , as many false arrests are , we wouldnt even be discussing it,now would we?
  Think about it
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  There was nothing "false" about the arrest. The police followed procedure. Any over-reaction was on the professor's part in going into a "you're racist! you're racist! do you know who I am?!" rant instead of just showing ID as he was requested to in the first place. If HE hadn't started screaming at the police he wouldn't have been arrested. If HE hadn't become disorderly and disturbed the peace he wouldn't have been arrested.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well thats even more silly
  Those cops are supposed to be professionals, ie trained to remain calm under pressure ,gimme a break
  
  If they cant stay cool under a simple investigative procedure ,God help us all !!
  
  I have witnessed good cops ,sensible cops ignore rants , do what theyre supposed to do ( sometimes arrest ,other times walk away)....
  
  The guy was understandably irritated ,but irregardless of what he was ranting about IS NOT or should not justify Police
  over-reacting. They are called to serve ,not respond like school boys on a football field...
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The police did NOT over react. They reacted according to proper procedure and there is nothing to indicate that they were not calm and cool throughout. By all accounts this was the very definition of a "good cop." Disorderly conduct and disturbing the peace is against the law whether you or the professor like it or not.
  
  There was nothing "understandable" about the professor becoming irate at the people who showed up to protect HIS HOME.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The professor wasnt irate about THAT
  The police in my opinion were the disorderly ones and DID over react.
  
  Lets not yell at each other TK , we can agree to disagree, and they are our opinions, at the end of the day , both parties will do what they want irregardless of what either of us thinks
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Upon what do you base those two conclusions?
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  dennisemattposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  wait...what? sorry guys, does anyone have a link to what your talking about?
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  nicompposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  *Please* read the police report. Don't make the same mistake Obama made.
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  He acted according to protocol.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Whose protocol? KKK protocol?
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Tweeeeeeeeeeeet!
  personal foul on Ralph
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  Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Just let him continue his conversation with himself
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  Eaglekiwiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The protocol was...stupid
  
  jeeze its done n dusted
  
  what would make you happy harvey?
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Getting America back to what it was meant to be.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  If in your opinion if it wont be Pres.Obama , who or how do you think this will be achieved?
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Mighty Momposted 15 years ago
LOL people. He is a victim of JETLAG profiling!
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Mighty Momposted 15 years ago
LOL people. He is a victim of JETLAG profiling!
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I hear you mom
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
The police in Australia have caused deaths with tasers too. We have just had a major change to our police force in my state, and I don't like where they're going.
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Colebabieposted 15 years ago
Don't tase me, bro! (Go Gators!) sorry. Carry on.
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Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years ago
I learned that today.
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  rastrotherposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  just trying to help you brother i've had bad dicussions with her in the past.
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AsherKadeposted 15 years ago
PPS ,I WASN'T BICKERING and never would, peace is my middle name....
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
That sounds different to what I got off the radio. What really happened then?
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tksenseiposted 15 years ago
Professor gets home from a trip, red-eye flight, tired, etc. He finds that he can't open his front door (because, it turns out, it had been damaged in a recent break-in attempt!) He and his chauffeur (he has a chauffeur) start putting their shoulders to the door and a passer-by who sees this (there had been 8 or 9 break-ins in that neighborhood since the start of the year) calls 911 to have someone check it out. Police get there, prof had by now gone 'round back and gotten in, and ask him for ID to prove he lived there. Well, that's when the poop hit the fan. Tired/jetlagged/probably generally an asshole anyway prof. lights into a tirade about how these racist police are just hassling him because he's a black man, etc. He teaches about racism in America so perhaps his world view is a bit skewed towards seeing racism everywhere he turns? Dunno. At one point the police officer asks him to step outside (still not sure he lives there) and the 'Professor' responds with "Ya, I'll talk to yo momma outside!" Classy, right? He eventually shows ID but is now convinced that he is in the early 60s and has just been dragged from a lunch counter and beaten with fire hoses and set upon by police dogs and unleashes a tirade of venom at the police. Eventually, the police have enough of this and take him in for disorderly conduct.

Then its off to Al Sharpton's radio show, a lucrative PBS deal to produce a TV special on race in America, and his good friends Deval Patrick and Barack Obama malign the Cambridge Police before the entire planet.
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
Thanks for the full story tk! So you would reckon Obama should have known all that before he spoke out. if he did know or not either way does not look good for him in light of all that happened.
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Ghost32posted 15 years ago
Ron, I had the topic of your Hub figured out before clicking on it and STILL came on in.

Maybe we oughta get a "wise Latina woman" to moderate this brou-ha-ha?
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Moderate? I think a wise caucasian woman has that covered for us.
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Mishaposted 15 years ago
TK, don't you think you are fulfilling Obama's agenda?
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm just a pawn in the great game!
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Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years ago
As expected, more information has come out that supports the point that the police acted appropriately. Professor Gates's house had in fact been burglarized while he was away. The officer arrived on the scene with good reason to be cautious and quickly gain control of the situation.

The point remains the same. Until the facts are known, and many still aren't, the president should refrain from making potentially inflamatory statements. He will eventually have to appologize to the Cambridge officers, he may as well get it over with now.
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nicompposted 15 years ago
Police Report
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/ye … ates2.html

Quote from Gates when asked by the officer to come outside:

"ya, I'll talk with your Mama outside."

What a wonderful place Harvard must be.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  As bad as you think
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I believe I mentioned that on page 7
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  nicompposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It was that important!
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Agreed
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Eaglekiwiposted 15 years ago
This thread is about President Obama saying someone or the situation was 'Stupid' right?

Man you guy make are tryin to make a mountain outta a molehill

I will make some iced tea and serve it on the porch for you whining ole biddies
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Earl Grey please
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  Eaglekiwiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  fine choice , do hope the muffins are still fresh lol
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  A fresh batch for you my dear.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  @kiwifruit ka pai yummy
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Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years ago
Apparently the 911 call and radio dispatch tapes of the incident may become available.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/region … id=1186764
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  Ralph Deedsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  According to the now released transcript of Lucia Whalen's 911 call and her subsequent statement, Officer Crowley's report was innacurate.
  
  911 tape released by Police:
  
  On Monday, the Cambridge police released the tape of Ms. Whalen’s 911 call in which she told the dispatcher she had “no idea” if two men — who turned out to be Professor Gates and his driver — were breaking into the house, repeatedly mentioning that they might live there. She said that the two men pushed a door in with their shoulders, and that she was unsure “if they live there and just had a hard time with their key.”
  
  Ms. Whalen did not mention the men’s race until a dispatcher asked her if they were black, white or Hispanic.
  
  “There were two larger men,” she said in the audiotape released Monday. “One looked kind of Hispanic, but I’m not really sure,” she continued, adding that she did not see what the second man “looked like at all.”
  
  Ms. Whalen said that the only words she exchanged with Sergeant Crowley in person were, “I was the 911 caller.” She said that he responded, “Stay right there.”
  
  Lucia Whalen, whose 911 call led to the arrest of the Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr. at his home, made her first public comments Wednesday, saying that at no time had she mentioned race to the responding police officer.
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  Lucia Whalen said she decided to speak out after becoming the target of threats.
  
  Ms. Whalen’s statements contradict the police report filed by Sgt. James Crowley, who said she told him outside Mr. Gates’s home that she had seen “what appeared to be two black males with backpacks” on the porch ofthe yellow single-family house.
  
  Ms. Whalen said that the only words she exchanged with Sergeant Crowley in person were, “I was the 911 caller.” She said that he responded, “Stay right there.”
  
  Here's a link to a NYT article 7-30-09
  http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/30/us/30 … amp;st=cse
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It will be interesting to learn why her recorded call differs with the officer's report.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Crowley was lying or unconsciously profiling.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Crowley was lying or unconsciously profiling. Or fudging his report as cops often do in these kinds of situations. In Detroit cops are known for planting guns or knives on victims they have shot in order to cover up their own mistakes. [I'm not at all suggesting that Officer Crowley would ever do anything that extreme.] However, the fact that he would falsely inject race into his report is indicative of a certain common mindset on the part of whites about blacks. In this case his offering as an excuse for his actions that two blacks with backpacks were reported to be breaking into the house didn't help his case at all.
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Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years ago
It was encouraging to see the president acknowledge his mistake and reach out to the officer. I think a full apology will happen soon. Let's hope the calm talk over a beer produces an amicable resoulution to this unfortunate incident.
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Agreed.
  
  I read that cops themselves are split on the whole incident. It's apparent there's a lot of leeway in the understanding of disorderly conduct & disturbing the peace.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What did you read that said that?
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'd be interested in that source too. They seem pretty united (and pissed off) to me.
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  In the Cambridge unit, naturally they closed ranks and supported their colleague, especially since this was not a particularly egregious crime. But this is the article I'm referring to:
  http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld … 1824.story
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  nicompposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Don't let the facts get in the way of your opinion. Look to the left coast for talking points rather than read the police report.
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Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years ago
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090724/ap_ … es_profile

Maybe Gates had an agenda ready for such an incident.
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
That link puts it a lot differently to the way tk explained it.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No it doesn't, it just includes some people's opinions.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  OK I read it again tk. There is quite a lot of opinion there, but it looks like the what you stated is pretty right as far as what happened. I am of the view that the policeman should be pretty thick skinned about getting told off by someone who is innocent though, even if he behaves badly. The charges were dropped of course, because they would not stick anyway. He was in his own house.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The beerfest should settle this.
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Police officers' opinions.
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Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago
Looks like they have all kissed and made up:

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/ … me=topNews
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ahhhhhhh beer. Is there any problem it can't solve?
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No there is not Ron, no there is not!
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Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years ago
"Crowley was lying or unconsciously profiling."

Ralph Deeds

Doubtful.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well, why do you think Crowley apparently added, falsely, the detail claiming he was told "two blacks with backpacks were breaking into the house?" It appears to me that he thought this little detail would help explain or support his actions.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No one knows of course, but it will certainly come out. Given the evidence available at the moment, which includes reports that this officer is respected and liked by black colleagues, I'm willing to bet that your assumptions will prove false.
  
  Obama made a mistake in rendering a verdict before enough information was known. I will take his advice and make this a teachable moment by encouraging even his most loyal followers to not make the same mistake.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I agree that Obama erred in his comment. However, he deserves credit for admitting his mistake. I don't recall Bush ever doing that except for expressing regret over his "mission accomplished" remark.
  
  Also, I agree that Crowley is probably a competent police officer who probably harbors no greater than average prejudices for an average Boston Irishman against blacks. His apparently innacurate comment in his report is revealing. If you have any ideas on why he would add the "two black men with back packs" to his report, let's hear 'em.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That's not too prejudiced a comment right there.
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Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years ago
Ralph, speculative possibilities include:

1) Another person saying that they reported the race of the suspects.

2) The confusion that is common in such a highly charged situation.

3) Information from another officer at the scene.

I think if he really harbors the feelings you ascribe to him, there will be some fisticuffs after the 4th or 5th beer. I know from experience that beer has a way of encouraging guys to share their true feelings.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Very true about the 4th or 5th beer!
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It's interesting that the cameras will be shut off and the media removed after the first few minutes of the meeting. I heard an interesting brief interview with Jim Koch -founder of the Boston Brewing Company. He compared the racial makeup of our country to a lager-style beer. Lager is the beer that takes the longest to make, because the diverse ingredients take time to "get along", but once this is accomplished, it is the smoothest and mellowest of beers. He seemed to feel that America was nearly ready to bottle and serve.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Look out world then
  
  Thank God they are not drinking wine from New Zealand ,or they would be on their asses calling out to God( Ohhhh God) then signing up for Greenpeace
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Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years ago
Kiwi wine?
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  Eaglekiwiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes
  
  (They compete strongly with California, they kinda win Golds back n forth)...both Countrys , I cant usually afford those ones)
  
  But no doubt Washingtons cellars got several of both
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  NZ Sauvignon Blancs are terrific! (and reasonably priced)
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  Eaglekiwiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You have fine taste
  I like the Shirazz or Chardonnays too.
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Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years ago
Apparently the Boston Police department has zero tolerance for racist cops.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaki … spend.html
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