What I like about Obama.

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jiberishposted 15 years ago
What I like about Obama.

1) I like the fact that he's been on TV everyday, sometime two three times.
2) I like the fact that he speaks about the Health Plan, but does have one of his own, and apparently hasn't read any that are in Congress or the Senate.
3) I like that unemployment is at 9.7%, and 17% in some states, and it's Bush's fault
4) I like that all his records are sealed
5) I like that all his associations, the people in his administration, and czars are all tax cheats and radicals
6) I like that his qualifications include 150 days in the Senate, he has never run a City, State or a Business
7) I like that he is confused about Afghanistan, has bought our troops home and apposes war
8) I like that he is still in campaign mood, just wondering who is actually running this country.
9) I like that whenever anyone disagrees with any of his policies, it has to be about his color.

What's not to like?
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  Kadmielsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  i like that he is only going to be president for 3 more years
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  jiberishposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh I forgot to mention the Gadzillion dollars in debt..sorry.
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  Drew Breezzyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I like that he called kanye west a jack***
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  Madame Xposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  LOL!
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Why is he even commenting on the Jack***? FIX THE ECONOMY! That is all!
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  Pr0metheusposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I like how his presence in office absolutely infuriates republicans. It's funny as hell!
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  nicompposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Libs do feed off the misfortune of others.
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  jiberishposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It's 5:30pm Friday nite, let me just add how I love the way Obama lies about the jobs, I just heard him speak in Pittsburg, where he said He has created or saved over a million jobs.
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  dutchman1951posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I like that he lent 800,00 out of his finished campagin funds to an Acorn, Illinois sub group, to post bonds against their IRS Leins!!!!!!!!
  
  Pay back for Votes....OH No, did somewone say election fraud!
  
  who said that?
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  carolegalassiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ditto!!!
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Madame Xposted 15 years ago
You left one out Jib -
I really really like his teleprompter!
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  atomswifeyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  LOL
  
  I was just about to say...LOL
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A Texanposted 15 years ago
I like uhhhhhhhhhhh, can I get back to you on this?
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A Texanposted 15 years ago
I like....
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  jiberishposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  take your time...
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ryankettposted 15 years ago
I like his wife, very attractive lady.
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  jiberishposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks Ryan, I especially like her take on the how much she can finally love her country, and that it took $500,000 of taxpayers money for her to give a commencement speech. And did I mention how much I liked it when Obama gave his speech and had the crucifix covered up.. Yeah...
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atomswifeyposted 15 years ago
jiberish, I like you!
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A Texanposted 15 years ago
Like...Who are we talking about again?
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  atomswifeyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The teleprompter guy, you know the one, the only, the messiah!
  Oh come on Tex, you gotta know him, the one who sits in the oval office and contemplates strategies to convince people his socialist/facism policies will work here in America.
  
  Aw, Tex, come on, you know who.
  LOL
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh yeah him, I don't like anything about him! I don't even like his dog!
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marshall92posted 15 years ago
He is a good speaker, you have to give him that.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No I don't!
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  jiberishposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, he is a good speaker, thank goodness he has good writers.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't like what he says therefore No goodum speaker!
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't think so. They're too obvious
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  rednckwmnposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  he has a good writer.
  I like how he can kill flies, in mid-air..ninja....
  what's not to like? oh, his nasty smoking habbit.. what kind of amessage does that give our children?
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ninja, thats funny
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  rednckwmnposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  My sister and I have a long running joke, about how we are ninjas, I have fallen up the stairs more times then I can remember....I mess up everything I say, I drop drinks down my shirt all the time, I type so bad, once I answered someone's question about texas, and I wrote "everything there is biger, even the buts.." I meant to type bugs..(you can imagine the apologizing I had to do)so..ninja I couldnt help it when I saw that on the news...I thought..ooooh, another ninja....
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  We do have some big butts here, but they are attached to big women, never a good idea to remind them what they are pulling.
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  rednckwmnposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  oh, i know....
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  nicompposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The biggest ones are on the Cowboy's O-Line.
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pageantgirl31413posted 15 years ago
That's true about the writers. None of the President's say their own speeches, nor presidential candidates. The only thing he's got going for him is that he can make it sound good.
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Flightkeeperposted 15 years ago
I like that Obama can save and create jobs although unemployment figures went up!

And that he pulled the economy from the brink of a disaster but put our economy in the hole for an additional $2 trillion.
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  jiberishposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Flightkeeper, I forgot about that, thanks for reminding me. He did save or create jobs, at least 40 of them, they're called CZARS, with an average salary of $250K each, Gosh, Thanks.
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  Flightkeeperposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  To this day I can't believe he thought people would believe that crap.
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  jiberishposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Flight...this is going to be a forum of nice things, so I will help you reword your sentence, K?.....
  
  To this day, I am glad that He thought people would believe that poo-poo...
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  Flightkeeperposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  LOL!
  Thanks.
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lrohnerposted 15 years ago
I like his dog.
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  jiberishposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I like his taste in beer.
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Louidam1posted 15 years ago
You guys are funny...LMAO!!
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Louidam1posted 15 years ago
I have one! I love the fact that he is always on vacation while the American people are suffering.
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  pageantgirl31413posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Amen to that one! I was just about to post the same thing. That I think is the one thing that ticked me off the most.
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  Louidam1posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That also made me pretty upset seeing him and his family all happy go lucky on their trips and people are losing their jobs and homes every single day!
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  jiberishposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm especially fond of the way he consults with the leaders of Acorn before he passes any policy. And I have to admire Acorn for asking for another $6 million of the bail out to help fund housing for 14 year old hookers. Oh wait, ever more, I love how Acorn helps the hard working girls set up corporations to evade taxes, while the slackers who work 80 hours a week, pay 30% in taxes plus. Yeah, I think I can admire Obama's friends.
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  Madame Xposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well, he did say that if you wanted to know who he was to look at those around him
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  tantrumposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  very bad press!
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Madame Xposted 15 years ago
8 vacations in 8 months . . . hmmmm
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  jiberishposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  MadamX, he had to take a vacation from his vacation....Cause he was worn out from Kennedy's funeral...I just love how he relaxes...it's trully inspiring.
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  Louidam1posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Obama I need to relax too since I work my fingers to the bone all day everyday so he can go on his weekly vacations. LOL!
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  jiberishposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Louidam1, now let's be nice , don't you know that we are supposed to sacrifice for the betterment of others.. You are doing a fine job hanging in there.
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  Louidam1posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks jiberish! I just love supporting his vacations!
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  pageantgirl31413posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah I can relate to him (j/k)...you know it's difficult trying to take over a country. He's gotta be exhausted
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SparklingJewelposted 15 years ago
I like the way he pleases everyone with his words...and you know the rest of the story...
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A Texanposted 15 years ago
I'd like to kick his dog!

Shhh, don't tell PETA!
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pageantgirl31413posted 15 years ago
Hmmm although I am not a Bush supporter, it would be interesting to see how many vacations he took in his first year compared to this current president.
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  Madame Xposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Scroll back a few posts
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  pageantgirl31413posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I saw it . It's why I wrote that comment.
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  SparklingJewelposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Obama is creating a much bigger carbon footprint, for sure...who pays for that??
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A Texanposted 15 years ago
I already did that...and it worked
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Flightkeeperposted 15 years ago
Some sacrifice. The Obamas are entertaining with Kobe beef on tax money meanwhile more people are using food coupons.
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  jiberishposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Flight, I love that face...Yes the Kobe beef and caviar is extravagant, but it's for the parties he has to have to relax and get away from the stress of being president, don't you know.
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Madame Xposted 15 years ago
Don't forget their $35,000 per week rent at Cape Cod
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  pageantgirl31413posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Man, if I had that, I'd be debt free and be able to take at least a month long vacation in Hawaii...ahhh the beaches.
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  Louidam1posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Right next to Obama...LMAO!!
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  jiberishposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Loui....Now that his grandmother passed, bless her soul, he doesn't have to worry about the truth of his birth comming out he may never visit Hawaii again...
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  Louidam1posted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That 35,000 was donated to the GOP by the Republican that owned the place!
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  Madame Xposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  There are no republicans in Massachusetts
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  They might not live there but Republicans own the place!
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Louidam1posted 15 years ago
Well ladies and gents this was fun but I have to go to bed now since I have to work and give all my money I make away to bail out crooks. GOODNIGHT!!
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  pageantgirl31413posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Have fun!
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Flightkeeperposted 15 years ago
By the way, who paid for that $35,000 a week rental. Was that tax money? Is that allowed? If so, why wasn't he looking for a cheaper rental since he doesn't want to add a dime to our deficit.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Obama paid for it, only travel and food was paid for by tax dollars!
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  pageantgirl31413posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hmmm...with his wife's expensive taste, I wonder how much the bill was for that.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  BIG!!!
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  jiberishposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Tex, it was nice of them to pitch in. Never mind about Michelle's expensive taste, look how much she's saving by growing her own veggies.
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  Madame Xposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  LMAO!
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  "Hoein the garden" According to Bill Maher
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  Madame Xposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Don't worry - it was paid for by the same people who buy their caviar
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  jiberishposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Now, now, let me remind you, as he always does...he's still the president....he must have the best. Just like Michelle had to wear $500 tennis shoes to a soup kitchen, He has to have that vacation.
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Madame Xposted 15 years ago
He's made 263 speeches in 235 days. When does he have any time to think about what he's gonna say?
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The teleprompter coaches him!
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  jiberishposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That is the good thing about this president, he just wakes up fresh and inspired to conquer the world, while others worry about what he's gonna say.
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A Texanposted 15 years ago
Jiberish, are we only supposed to say nice things here?
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  jiberishposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Nope, you say what ever you want. I just thought we could point out some of the nice things, so that the libs don't say that we are always bashing him. I put 10 reasons, all nice in the first post. I'm expecting some will eventually disagree, or call me rude. But, I have been very nice, and plan to keep it that way, you on the other hand...can go for the gusto.
  
  I always ask what people like about Obama, and hardly get an answer, so, maybe some of his supporters can actually add to my list.
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pageantgirl31413posted 15 years ago
ugh...I was just reading this post thing that says that people are only bashing Obama for his race...would people stop throwing the race card around? Heck, if Bush were african american, I still wouldn't like him.
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  jiberishposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you Pageant, I did add that to my list, and I have to say that when I disagree with Obama, its with both sides of his heritage, the black as well as the white. So to keep from being called a racist.
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  Madame Xposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You mean all three sides - he's mostly Arabic
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Ghost32posted 15 years ago
I like that he lives anywhere but Arizona.
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Kent Merrittposted 15 years ago
I like the fact that Obama has a lot of patience. He obviously needs it, considering he's trying to do the job the American people elected him to do, all the while dealing with rabid Republicans who propagate fear tactics and misinformation and talk show nutjobs who openly wish for him to fail.

I like the fact that Obama actually cares about the problems we have in this country and is trying to work out some solutions to keep this country afloat.

What I don't like are topics like this one created just to promote more hatred and division in our country.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And we all care about you!
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  Ghost32posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Could we just promote the fact that we don't like him? That way we'd be absolutely on a par with the fact that you don't like the fact that we don't like him, and the teeter wouldn't totter. Not a good idea to have an opinion in the good ole U. S. of A. that varies too much from the rest of the mud ducks in the flock....
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  "Speak your mind...Silently" I just made that up! New DNC Motto, should I copyright?
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  jiberishposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ghost, promoting that we don't like him has divided this nation, and is so rude to those who do. I can only speak for myself, but hate is such a harsh word, I though it would be kind of me to change that word to like. It's such a happy word, fits right in with the happy kool-aid people expect us to drink.
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  Kent Merrittposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I have no problem with anybody saying that they don't like Obama. We're all entitled to our own opinions. What I do have a problem with is hearing so many people parroting the things they hear on TV about Obama trying to turn us into a socialist country, that he's creating death panels, that's he's a Muslim, etc., etc., etc.
  
  That's why I commented on liking his patience. I sure don't think I could've handled it as well as he did when Joe Wilson called him a liar. I probably would've taken my shoe off and thrown it at him (oh, wait - that's already been done).
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  LOL By that Measure Bush is a saint
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Of course violence is the answer!
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  jiberishposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Geez, I throw my shoes every day at the TV, I threw two when he told a fib about not covering illegals in his Health Plan.
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  Madame Xposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ah group-think - the cornerstone of the democratic party . . .
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  jiberishposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  This topic was created to get positive feedback from his supporters, like you. It's swell to hear someone say that he has patience, and I wish he was doing what he was elected to do, however, when and if he ever gets to doing that, we will applaud his efforts.
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livelongerposted 15 years ago
I like the fact that this fair, mild-mannered politician somehow evokes the most insane behavior among a loud, undereducated segment of the Republicans, which is not nearly large enough to vote him out of office but obnoxious enough to cement his support among those disgusted by them.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  who you calin underedumucated
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  LOL!
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  jiberishposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  These large, loud, under educated Republicans, are the only ones trying to bring sanity to the chaos, this mild mannered politician is making.
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Heehee! That's cute and maybe a little scary that you think that.
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Madame Xposted 15 years ago
Mild-mannered???

He's using the constitution for toilet paper. But hey, he's doing it with such a nice smile.

That's not very nice of me to say. Maybe you should report me.
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  Ghost32posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Himmler was reportedly mild-mannered....
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Criticism of Obama would be remiss without a comparison to either a fascist or Communist mass-murderer. Any other butcher of millions you think might be appropriate when trying to make a credible case against the man?
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  jiberishposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No need to call him a Butcher, he has Rahm's brother who will take care of that.
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  Madame Xposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  ROTFLMAO!!
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  Ghost32posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Quite a few, actually. However, I'm not interested in "making a case". Waste of effort. I'm just interested in seeing our country survive this disaster of a President.
  
  And yes, I voted for Bush. Twice.
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Any reason you felt the need to add that?
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  Ghost32posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Any reason you felt the need to ask that?
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  Madame Xposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Only because he's setting up the parameters to act like one . . .
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  jiberishposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No need Madam, I'm sure the internet Czar has that under control.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I am the internet Czar!
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Mishaposted 15 years ago
Umm, what's the deal with education among Obama supporters?
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  jiberishposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Misha, it's all the education they have from government run schools...
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think you mean "madrassas," right? Kenyan madrassas, to be specific.
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Brainwashing you mean? So people who don;t support Obama are less brainwashed? Well, that's a plus on my books.
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pageantgirl31413posted 15 years ago
What's with it always being said that its republicans are the ones that don't like Obama. I am neither a republican nor a democrat and I don't like him. If you read the polls as well, there are high numbers that keep getting higher of democrats that don't agree or don't like Obama as well.
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SparklingJewelposted 15 years ago
I would like to know too, what country Obama supporters were educated in... to find out how they didn't get the news on what socialism means...I still haven't heard anyone explain that yet.

I really am interested in the democrates definition of socialism...surely it has gone on long and far enough in the good ole USA...it's about time to stop that train, not heap on more coal...

Don't we all want to live in a Republic where all people are treated with respect and dignity and spoken to truthfully?

As soon as the tit for tat is over (the Repubs are only giving the Demos what was given to them) which I think gets us no where faster---there are extremes on both sides.

I like Ron Paul...stick with the Constitution, or rather, get back to it...
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  jiberishposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The truth?... The truth.... You can't handle the truth!.. I loved that line in a Few Good Men...
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  pageantgirl31413posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'll give another Amen to that! I have said it and will keep saying it, we need to get away from the democrats and republicans cause they are all in it for the money and don't care about America.
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  jiberishposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  We should start a new party, maybe we can call it the Demopublicans, or the Republocrats...No, wait...how about .. the Wegiveacraps...
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  pageantgirl31413posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hmmm I like it. Its got a good ring to it. rofl j/k.
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  LOLZ
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  jiberishposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  Misha, did that make you smile inside?
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And outside
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  Kent Merrittposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You're absolutely right about the 'tit for tat' mentality in politics today, SparklingJewel. It's the Hatfields vs McCoys style of politics that is keeping us from making any progress.
  
  Lincoln was right-on when he said "A house divided against itself cannot stand". I just hope it doesn't take another 9/11 event to unite this country again.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  If it happens again it will not unite us!
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  Madame Xposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oooo, good point.
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  Kent Merrittposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Jeez, that's being pretty pessimistic, isn't it? So, there's always gonna be reason to blame the other side, right?
  
  I liked Ron Paul, too. Too bad nobody paid much attention to him.
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  Madame Xposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The bankers didn't "pay attention" to him. He wants to ax the fed.
  
  But I think he's great - vote for him in a NY minute.
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Not enough of a religious nut. You need the Holy Roller vote to win the GOP primary these days.
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  SparklingJewelposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think the whole purpose is to get enough people to stop the two party divide and move in a new direction...a good idea
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  Vladimir Uhriposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  As I see you have your own religion.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Lets see, Obama has instructed his Justice Dept to investigate CIA operatives and possibly charge and then prosecute them, this will cause the CIA to not act in a manner that they have grown accustom to and info may not be acquired! If an attack happens we will place the blame solely on this incompetent hack!
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  Madame Xposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It is impossible to move forward in the right direction if we are unable to determine exactly where we stand right now. Hence, the dissection of the current admin.
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  Flightkeeperposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well, if something like that happened again (God forbid), I have a feeling that Obama would say it's our own fault, chickens coming home to roost, etc.
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  Madame Xposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I feel like such a sitting duck these days
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  pageantgirl31413posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  More than likely. He's also stretching our military thin. I'm shocked that we haven't been attacked recently. If you go to a military base, you'll notice it's a private civilian security service manning the gates. Whoa I'm so scared of the old guy with a small gun.
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  Vladimir Uhriposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  "A house divided against itself cannot stand". Lincoln quoted Bible.
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  Vladimir Uhriposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You cannot unite our country by building socialistic evil.
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Flightkeeperposted 15 years ago
Jiberish, you should trademark the Wegiveacraps before some evil big company does it!
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livelongerposted 15 years ago
I'm a Democrat and I can answer that question!

Socialism involves the redistribution of wealth, like:

* the transfer of money from rich coastal states (like New England and the West Coast) to the poor Southern states (most of the red ones)
http://manyeyes.alphaworks.ibm.com/many … tate-per-d

* the transfer of federal money to subsidize agriculture in rural communities
http://ideas.repec.org/p/isu/genres/11121.html

* making services like the police, fire department, and, above all, the MILITARY (don't you support our troops?!) something that we collectively pay into for the collective good

Make sense?
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  Madame Xposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Are you for or against these concepts?
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not railing on about socialism, so maybe the proud teabaggers should answer that.
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  jiberishposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Very evasive, are you trying to get someone to jump on the socialist thing so you can pounce on them or what?
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Not at all. Democrats aren't making a big stink about socialism; the GOP rump is. Maybe they should articulate what exactly it is that they're against, without resorting to vague generalities and comparisons of Obama to Stalin.
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  jiberishposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe you should go back and read the first post.
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, that was amusing.
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  Madame Xposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  - redistribution of wealth
  - higher taxes for the middle class
  - no taxes for his special few
  - government-owned and run businesses (that's called fascism)
  - over regulation so the free market can't function and balance itself
  - trillions in debt
  - government interference in our lives at every level
  - appointees that are not confirmed by congress
  - national ID card
  - preventative detention for suspected terrorists (no trial, no lawyer, no alert to your family, you just disappear one night for just being "suspected")
  
  hmmm - sounds like Stalin's tactics to me . . .
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You've just described Bush's presidency. Really. Read your list again.
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  pageantgirl31413posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Don't automatically assume that we like Bush.
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Are you and Madame X the same person?
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  Madame Xposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  ??????????
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  pageantgirl31413posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry my fault...said 'we'. I just get so tired of hearing people use the excuses of we don't like him because he's black, because we are republicans, or because we like bush.
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  Madame Xposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh yeah I forgot, it's Bush's fault
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  SparklingJewelposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  yes, and it is continuing with Obama, just getting worse...he is not providing answers by barreling on down the same road and paying those that created the problems to continue...
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That will not change until we have Instant Runoff Voting. In the meantime, it's very clear to me which party is the lesser of two evils (no doubt plenty here would disagree with me).
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The Democrats are the lesser of two evils? Excuse me while I laugh at you!
  
  BWWWWWWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
  
  Thanks
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  SparklingJewelposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  what will not change until instant runoff voting (and in my ignorance...what is that?)...and yes many would disagree on which is the lesser of two evils
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant-runoff_voting
  
  Basically, you won't "throw away" a vote by voting for a 3rd-party or relative unknown of a candidate, because you can still designate your fallback candidate.
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  SparklingJewelposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I heard a good response to that concept the other day..something about when you vote for truth, liberty and freedom it is never a wasted vote...anyway, we just need to get more people on board to stop the fighting and get to the business of abiding by the Constitution...
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  Vladimir Uhriposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  How can be conservative evil when democrats are adopting communism? Please put your glasses on.
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  Madame Xposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No. Bush never advocated the redistribution of wealth, he implemented tax cuts that the democrats screamed about wanting to get rid of for years, he never took over any privately owned businesses, he de-regulated more than he regulated, he had no "czars", he vetoed the national ID card, and he never suggested "preventative detention".
  
  He was no paragon of virtue, that's for sure, but he didn't do what I stated here. For you to say that I just described Bush's presidency is only inflammatory.
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Bush did redistribute wealth, by increasing tax cuts on the very wealthy so that the top bracket was paying less as a percentage of income than the bracket below it.
  
  Government-owned businesses are not fascism. The vast majority continued to exist under Bush and he made absolutely no effort to get rid of them. He also created the behemoth DHS.
  
  Bush interfered in the right to the pursuit of happiness of millions of gay/lesbian couples.
  
  His Medicare package was one of the most expensive and convoluted distortions of an agency that didn't need the added expense and complexity.
  
  Bush had more czar jobs than Obama.
  
  "Preventative detention" - um, Guantanamo?
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  pageantgirl31413posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't he give the states the right to vote on it themselves?
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'll correct you since you're wrong (hey! you asked me to!)
  
  Bush Backs Amendment Banning Gay Marriage
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  Madame Xposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Me too - outta here.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Cool defense of Barry! "Bush did it so Barry can be fascist too!"
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  pageantgirl31413posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah that sounds vague to me...j/k no seriously, good way of proving it.
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  Madame Xposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Um, you want someone else to answer whether or not you are for or against these concepts?
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Nope.
  
  And what exactly question you were answering? I sorta missed it.
  
  Either way, I am off to bed, sweet dreams everybody
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  pageantgirl31413posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Have a wonderful night!
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, you Russians are always such cynics. You're always against everything, so very rarely for anything.
  
  Sorry about that. It was in response to Sparkling Jewel's query "I really am interested in the democrates (sic) definition of socialism.."
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ah, ok, now I see where it came from. And what about Russians LL? Is it a thread of genius blanket statements? Or are you still fighting a cold war?
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Haha, I have a great deal of affection for my Russian friends. But they are "realists" (their term; "cynics" my terms) while Americans are "naive" (theirs; I'd prefer "optimists"). I should add that "cynic" is a term of pride among some of them!
  
  For example: you've been clear that you don't support Bush or Obama. Who do you support then?
  
  At any rate, just a cultural observation...
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't support Ron Paul either. I am pretty sure he would be no different should he won the elections.
  
  As I see it, the major flaw is in the system, that allows for uncontrollable growth of government, which inevitably leads to tyranny and ensuing crash, what we are witnessing today. If you are interested, my latest thoughts on the matter are here: http://hubpages.com/hub/Anarchy-Does-it … ny-chances
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  nicompposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Good point. Another flaw is the proliferation of ugly cars. My latest thoughts on that matter are here:
  http://hubpages.com/hub/Hideous-Annoyin … -Ugly-Cars
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  LOL I assume this was humor, not spam, right?
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  nicompposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Humor, absolutely! I would never spam.
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That's what I figured
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  SparklingJewelposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  sounds simple, doesn't it? but you know that is not what they mean...it is not that simple anymore...people are waking up to the facts that they are getting screwed by government, big time, and that they have let it go on for too long...and are concerned it is too late to save our liberty and freedoms.
  
  surely you read more than just the rabble from the right...there is deep legitimate concerns happening before your eyes, don't you see it...how lazy and lulled to sleep people have become...???
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  Vladimir Uhriposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You are communist. Communists are the robbers, stealing money they are not theirs. No wonder I love democrats. Communism (socialism) is oppressive regime. Take care of you family, please and do not mess with masses who do not wan to work.
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pageantgirl31413posted 15 years ago
Hmmm maybe I should run for President. lol
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jiberishposted 15 years ago
We should start a new party, maybe we can call it the Demopublicans, or the Republocrats...No, wait...how about .. the Wegiveacraps...
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  jiberishposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I love it, Wegiveacraps....
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SparklingJewelposted 15 years ago
good nite folks
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm done too, later!
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jobalertposted 15 years ago
His way of looking at girls buttocks
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pageantgirl31413posted 15 years ago
Ah well, if they wrote a law that supported gay marriage without so many holes in it, then I would of voted for it. However, since I'm Christian, I do not want my right of believing it is wrong to be taken away.

I didnt like Bush anyways, nor did I like Clinton...They really need to give us some good people to vote for. The choices of presidential candidates have all been very poor. Where's the good politicians?
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  How would your right to believe it's wrong be taken away?
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  Kent Merrittposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  There's no such thing.
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  Vladimir Uhriposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I did like President Bush. What is wrong about it? He was much better than his opponent.
  I am astonished how conservative and Christians submitter themselves to socialistic propaganda. One believes everything what CNN or else say. Very few people have critical thinking of the press.
  
  I like Obama since he does not want to drill since it may hurt mother earth. .
  
  Interesting, I heard him recently speaking out of his own mouth, that electric cost will be sky rocketing. It means that he opened door to increase electricity bill for us.
  
  The president duty is to 1. Protect our country from enemies, 2. Protect our Constitution. This is all what he sworn. It is not duty of president to build socialism and run the country.
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pageantgirl31413posted 15 years ago
Well there were so many holes in prop 8. It could of opened a gateway to where they could take away tax exemption laws to churches that were against gay marriage. If that were to happen, then churches would stop preaching what the Bible says about it. I also worry that at some point it would be considered wrong for me to say I was against it.

Prop 8 was written the same as most laws that are up to vote. It was written in a way that wasn't fully detailed. It allowed too many possibilities.

I have nothing against gay rights or gays for that matter. I have had a lot of friends that are. I just have noticed that Christian rights in general are being taken away. Example being Bible's or praying in school. People say that you still can but I remember the day like it was yesterday when I was almost suspended for praying with another student at school.

I'd love equality for all, but in this world it just seems like for one group to have equality, the other has to have rights taken away.
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  1. We were talking about the Federal Marriage Amendment, not California's Prop 8. Bush supported the former, and was not involved in the latter (obviously).
  
  2. It was an unadulterated myth that churches against gay marriage would lose their tax-exemption status. How many churches have lost their status for being against divorce, which is legal (although condemned in Christianity much more forcefully than homosexuality)? In the 5 months when gay marriage was fully legal in California, how many churches lost their tax-exempt status?
  
  3. What are Christian rights? What rights do you think non-Christians have that Christians don't? Do you believe Christians are the only people who pray?
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  pageantgirl31413posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Answer to 1, yes I understand however, this was the first year that I have voted and Prop 8 was what I voted on so I gave an example.
  
  2. Is there anything in the law that says that they can't take away the tax exemption. Maybe your thinking of Catholic as Christians because growing up in church and going to a christian school, I have never heard any pastor preach on divorce being wrong. Actually, I've heard them preach on trying to fix the marriage but if it cannot be fixed, that divorce then may be the best answer. It was 5 months. I do not believe it would be something that would appear quickly but rather over time as more people become comfortable with it.
  
  3.No I do not think praying is only for Christians. However as for losing Christian rights, these are just a few examples:
  
  A) A foster child in 2007 was taken away from their foster family because they refuse to teach him about homosexuality because of them being Christians. The article link is http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article … lity.html.
  B)There is still a battle going on about taken One Nation Under God out of the Pledge of Allegiance as well as In God We Trust off of money.
  C) It is no longer Merry Christmas but now it is Happy Holidays. Displays of Mary, Joseph and baby Jesus are not being put up because of the risk of offending someone.
  
  Well, I'm off to bed. Have a good night!
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well, Catholics are in fact Christians are they not?
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  pageantgirl31413posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes but it is a denomination of Christianity. I meant to say that he was specifically talking about Catholics as they are the only denomination that I know of that were completely against divorce. However, I could always be wrong and I am willing to learn if I am.
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  Vladimir Uhriposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You answer yourself. Are they Christ-like? Jesus is the WORD in flesh. Why some "Christians" always violate the WORD?
  Forgive me if I sound to be offensive.
  It someone make mistake and sin ask for forgiveness, repent.
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  rednckwmnposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  what happned? isnt this suppposed to be about obama?
  Catholics are classified as christians, and humans. People mess up.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Says who?
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Any law can change at any time. It doesn't take making gay people equal citizens for that to happen.
  
  Well, frankly, that's a self-serving ignorance of Jesus's message, which roundly condemned divorce several times in the Bible (he didn't mention homosexuality, much less gay marriage, even once.) It's always easy to be tough about the "sins" you are never going to commit anyway (which explains the preponderance of men in the anti-abortion movement).
  
  Yes, that seems to be the case.
  
  UK. Not US. Different country, different laws.
  
  You do understand that this is a small group trying to drum up support for a change, and not the government making unilateral changes on its own, right? BTW "One Nation Under God" was tacked on in 1954 during the McCarthy era; it was a late amendment, not part of the original pledge.
  
  Is this a change in law? Is it a Christian right to say "Merry Christmas" and not have non-Christians think that's not very inclusive a holiday greeting? On private property, you can put up whatever you want. On public property with public funds, why should non-Christians subsidize Christian nativity scenes when this is not their cultural tradition, and we are not a Christian nation?
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I won't take your post point for point I will say that yes it is a Christian right to say "Merry Christmas" just as its the right of the non Christian to be offended! The real point is the non Christian is a minority in this Country, 80% of Americans identify themselves as Christian. Was it you who said that Bush "interfered in the right to the pursuit of happiness of millions of gay/lesbian couples?" What has Obama done to change that? It is currently the right for gay couples to Marry in a number of States and I would suggest if they want to do that then move to one of those States!
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, that's what tends to happen. And those who choose to not offend use "Happy Holidays" which doesn't seem all that offensive to the Christians I know.
  
  What is your point?
  
  Obama has a campaign pledge to at least extend equal rights under the law. He's been in office for about 8 months, and he's been a bit busy with a lot of other things. We'll see if he makes good on his promise. That's quite a bit different from campaigning for legislation in the other direction.
  
  If you were asked to uproot yourself and move across the country to "enjoy" being treated like an equal citizen, you'd be more than disappointed. It's hard to explain this to some people who have never had the experience of being a 2nd class citizen.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  My point about 80% of Americans claiming to be Christian is that the US is indeed a Christian Nation despite what you or Obama say! I will say Merry Christmas, if you are offended, sorry about your luck! I don't give a rats ass!
  
  Campaign promises to equal rights under the law? They have equal rights! They can get married!
  
  If I were asked to uproot myself? I guess if I felt strongly about marrying then I would, people uproot themselves for a lot less!
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  A beautiful sentiment, eloquently expressed!
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  SweetiePieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I heard Obama say Merry Christmas to many people. He is a Christian by the way. Besides that if you are okay with people saying Merry Christmas then do not get mad if someone says Happy Hanukkah or Happy Ramadan.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Why would I get upset about that?
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  There's that logic again..
  
  Has anyone expressed offense at either of those things (leaving aside the fact that no one would say 'Happy Ramadan' anyway)?
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  LOL I hope that was said with a bit of irony. Ah, didn't think so.
  
  For the record, I'm not Christian, nor am I offended when someone says Merry Christmas to me.
  
  What you two have an issue with are your fellow Christians saying Happy Holidays, in an effort to be more inclusive, instead of being as abrasive as you like to be.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm afraid your mind reading skills have failed you.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't think thats what I have a problem with, I have a problem with you telling me what I have a problem with! Especially since you are so bad at it!
  
  For the record I don't care if you are Osama Bin Laden or Ariel Sharron, hell I don't care if you sacrifice goats, just refrain from telling me about me!
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Heehee! You're an amusing fellow.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hee Hee I know!
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  Vladimir Uhriposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus did not come to preach sin, but to free people from sin. Understanding the Bible is essential. Jesus responded while attacked by Pharisee about divorce. He shows them their Hippocratic thinking. They did not have homosexual issue, and then there was not need to address it. Jesus was functioning that time under Old Testament time and there are many laws against homosexual life style. It is sin. It is gross and abnormal. I do not want to control their behavior; in private I support freedom. But why for heaven sake they want to be married and irritate many? It beats my brain.
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Jonathan Jancoposted 15 years ago
What I like about the President is that everyone who opposes him just HAS to prove that they have the intellect of a third grader.
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  ReuVeraposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, good morning, dear Jonathan Janco! Here comes the insulter.... Are you a Democrat who loves Obama because he is the President?
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Mishaposted 15 years ago
Starting your presence here with a blanket attack speaks volumes about your intellect
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  Jonathan Jancoposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Reading the malicious attacks above put me in the mood for it.
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It certainly DOES speak volumes for your intellect. Welcome!
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ReuVeraposted 15 years ago
Good morning to everyone!
Nice discussion is going here. What's notable- there's not many Obama's supporters here coming to tell why they really like him...is this thread about liking him? We know why Wegivacraps like him, now how about Democrats? For now I saw only one person who humbly tried to make his point but faded in minority.... On the thread "I hate Obama" we saw much more of Obama lovers. Weird...
Anyway, at least we see more politeness and dignity here, on this thread!
Have a good day, everyone!
Oh, and btw, I personally also like him (in addition to J's list) because he is HALF-black, HALF-white (someone said Arab? It's not the color!) and that the color is only skin deep. But it seems that being half-black/half-white gives cards into hands of any side....Whatever one may say in defense or in criticism might be considered racist.
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  Jonathan Jancoposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  For real? I like him because he's used his executive powers to increase environmental regulations and that he's been proactive about foreign policy issues without being too ideological about it. Some of the things I don't like about him involve his lack of enthusiasm, like most Democrats, for taking a truly strong approach for the most critical issues (of which their very passive approach to the health care bill is a good example).
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  jiberishposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
  Good Evening all trolls and guest, it's nice to see everyone's been behaving. Sorry I couldn't be here till now to supervise.
  I went back and read all the post, very interesting.
  
  I wanted to reply to Reu, because This is one thing I have issues with personally, the average person does not play the race card it's the Obama supporteres who bring this up, and it's curious that instead of posting good, positive things Obama is doing, it always reverts back to race. Why????? Bush was not attacked for being white.. Why the race card now???
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Now Jimmy Carter is out trying to make himself relevant by claiming opposition to Obama is about race, why doesn't this guy just go away? He wasn't relevant when he was supposed to be relevant!
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febriedethanposted 15 years ago
Well, I don't know anything about him, he's not my President but I like the fact that he's been lived in Indonesia for a few years and the fact that he is able to speak my language

For me as an Indonesian citizen, It seems unbelievable that one of the US President has actually been lived and understand our culture, that's what I like.
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SweetiePieposted 15 years ago
Actually Muslims I know do say Happy Ramadan to each other. Also, Obama is a Christian, but I know that fact does not fit in with your agenda.

Here is a link showing how Muslims say Happy Ramadan to each other:

http://forum.gsmhosting.com/vbb/archive … 87890.html
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Agenda? Do you mean the fact that I want him out of office in 2012? Other than that I don't have an agenda!
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  SweetiePieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You know I was referring to tk. His comments are just way too odd ball. I know you do not like Obama, but I find your comments be more coherent. He just makes snotty little comments and rolls his eyes.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  "more coherent" Thanks, I think!
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  SweetiePieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Okay much more. I do not agree with all of your points, but at least you are not tearing people down every two seconds. You are a nicer player than tk .
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Awwwwwwwwww, ain't you sweet! I mean that from the bottom of my cold black heart!
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No they don't.
  
  ???????????????????????????
  
  What 'agenda' is that?
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  SweetiePieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Actually yes they do. I know a few Muslims and even the link below show Muslims wishing each other Happy Ramadan:
  
  http://forum.gsmhosting.com/vbb/archive … 87890.html
  
  Your agenda is to roll your eyes and tear down hubbers you do not agree with.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Even if your little 'Woe-is-me' theory were correct, what would that have to do with Obama being a Christian?
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  OH, thanks for the giggles. How do YOU know?
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  SweetiePieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Here is another link showing they do. Well I know Muslims who say it, and they would be offended by tk swearing up and down that they are not allowed to. I guess he is now the guru on all things Islam:
  
  http://ca.answers.yahoo.com/question/in … 136AAhDrW0
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Just of Islam? He weighs in on with such credible authority on just about everything.
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  Madame Xposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Pot. Kettle. Black.
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Where did I say "not allowed to"? Are you suffering from too much imagination, or too little honesty?
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It's not a real 'happyhappy' kind of holiday. More of a solemn and 'boy am I hungry' holiday. The 'happy' thing comes at the feast at the end. She does not know any Muslims who say that to each other, she just wanted to reply in like fashion (and, typically, illogically).
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  Madame Xposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Actually, he is Muslim -
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKGdkqfBICw
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  pageantgirl31413posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well he keeps flip flopping on the topic so theres no way to tell.
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  Madame Xposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  He'll say whatever he has to depending on his audience, of course, but I believe he was candid here. Yeah, I think he's a muslim. But that "can't be" because they're the bad guys.
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pageantgirl31413posted 15 years ago
I still say Merry Christmas. The problem I have is how quite a few of my friends have talked about how they were told in a meeting at their jobs that they can't say Merry Christmas to the customers. Now it may only be here where I live. One of the businesses that was by our church was asked to take down their Christian Christmas decorations because there were too many people complaining. I personally think that is wrong which is why I brought it up.

So that you understand what and who I am, and you can better understand where I come from when I say things, I'll let you know a few things about me. I have Christian and non-christian friends alike. I am not the person to preach to people unless they ask questions. I am rarely the type of person that feels insulted, so people can say what they want. I do get upset when people are told that they can't do things, if they are morally acceptable (such as I don't think a person should be able to murder just because the want to or for any reason what so ever.)

However, back to the original subject, whatever Obama believes, I don't care. I care about what actions he takes, and so far I've seen nothing but more money going down the drain. I know what it's like being in a family that is living off of an unemployment check and has to live with friends because we can't afford a house. I had to give up my career in the Air Force because I have two kids and we can't afford child care. So we are living off of one income, living with my father in law because we can't afford rent. So to see that my family is going to have to pay more so that we can bail out businesses that are only taking the money so that they can give bonuses and vacations to people makes me very upset. I want to be able to have my own home or at least an apartment. However, with the fact that I can't go to school because I can't afford to pay child care nor pay back student loans, and grants being taken away, I'm stuck at home (which is best for the kids anyway) writing and trying to find some way to make money in order to help support my family.

That may be Bush's fault. However, I personally believe that the amount of financial issues our country has, has been caused by many different presidents. Obama says he is trying to fix the situation, yet he is pushing his health care plan which will cost us more money, and spending more and more money that we don't have. He said he'd take our troops out, however, he's just sending them somewhere else.

Those are only some of the reasons I have issues with Obama.
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  nicompposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It's the fault of the former president that you can't pay back a loan?
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  pageantgirl31413posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry I meant the financial situation our country is in is the fault of former and the current president.
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bgpappaposted 15 years ago
I like the fact that he can actually read a teleprompter.

I like the fact the he actually talks about healthcare instead of nonsense issues

I like the fact that he cares about human rights.
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  nicompposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  He talks nonsense about health care, I'll agree.
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  Vladimir Uhriposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I second.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Cracking me up!
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Flightkeeperposted 15 years ago
I like that Obama's teleprompter even has his own blog.
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jiberishposted 15 years ago
Is carter still around, I thought we shipped him to China with his nuts.
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