Sarah Palin and the Mainstream Media.
I did answer the question
. Palin lies, Obama lies, McCain lies, every human on earth has lied, and politicians just happen to have to be more accountable for these. Personally that is why I choose not to be a politician. Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, and that is a fact.
- Leta Sposted 15 years ago
0 Just what we need, another rude newbie
- girly_girl09posted 15 years ago0
Oh my.....this is really getting entertaining for me.
I know a ton of political operatives (myself included) that sit back, snicker and shake their heads at the way the left and mainstream media are coming out against Palin. Not because I find the personal attacks funny (obviously, I find them immature and ridiculous), but it is honestly laughable at the way people are becoming so threatened by Palin.
The last person that I felt incredibly threatened by was someone that I just ignored and let self-implode. Sure enough, he did. I didn't try to discredit him and throw him under the bus. I didn't spread rumors about him, he showed his true colors through his actions which I didn't have to lie about or exaggerate. See what I'm getting at? If I would've been constantly outlining and exaggerating his behavior to my co-workers, I eventually would've become viewed as a very spiteful person. No one wants that, but I think the left is well on their way there.
I'm not saying that Palin will self implode (I know there are those that really want her to and revel in her shortfalls - thank god people don't do that to you and me!), but the thing to remember is that a group, organization or person can only discredit someone so much before they start being viewed by as completely negative and downright nasty. If Palin implodes, she implodes, no one person or group is going to expedite that. If she truly is that evil and awful of a person, let it come out; things always do.
And, you never know, Palin may view the left's hatred and spite as notice that they actually believe that she can win the Presidency. Maybe she is just being egged on.OK. lol This is the first time I've EVER used this phrase in such a way...and I got it from another, lol, political type used against me at one point... Who may still be around, lurking (I don't know), I know a couple things are being read,
GG, I'm sorry, but this is just a lot of verbiage strung together.
From the beginning of the political season, and because I have a journalism degree, and was working at a newspaper at the time, and because the whole Palin scenario has carried a special interest for me, I have been researching her...paying attention to really every thing (until recently, although again with the far right almost coming to blows), and all the investigations against her, etc. I'd wager I have read and researched her probably much more than anyone here on Hubpages, ie, and probably should write a hub on why she is such an icon and a divisive figure...because I do find it quite interesting.
I'd also like to say I watched every debate with all candidates, and all her interviews. I have a good news sense, I like to believe, and know how to judge sources, their biases, etc. Blogs and the internet have actually come quite up in the world as far as valid sources of information--of course the old critical analysis still comes in to play as far as understanding what is biased/just completely baseless/and-or reliable information.
And it truly isn't so simple--just waiting for Palin to implode and please, let's just not be 'nasty.' You misjudge the role and benefit to society that the press (indeed all writers and a full public discourse) makes. Frankly, Palin imploded eons ago, but some people (usually information poor types...that is an actual definition in political science, as I'm sure you know...and which seem to account for the majority of Americans these days, and frankly, IMHO, most here at Hubpages).
Another obvious fact to anyone who has looked outside recently: You are aware that controversy sells lotsa stuff, right? Like newspapers! And blogs with adsense ads! And Sarah Palin!
I'm saying look behind, around, through and up and under things, folks...then make a decision. And if you can't, won't or don't have time, or a true interest, please don't be chiding those of us who do.You are just silly, TK. jeesuz. No. I work as a ditch digger/factory worker.....bleeeh.
Actually, that's not far from the truth...I've done many things and I come from the working class. Check profile
So stop your simplistic profiling, crazy! I'm calling you out.
Your 'elitism' (though I wouldn't call it that...but maybe it is all you can understand...is inferred through your obvious need to pick at every single person on every post as if you were God, OH Teacher of wisdom, or the FSM or something.
That is for sure. There is unfortunately plenty of that in the real world; entering into it on online really isn't my thing!
GG- I disagree with the idea that debating ANYWHERE has no point. I learn much from the people who take the time to formulate intelligent posts...and even from those who do not,
(obviously not you.)
Disagreeing (as I'm sure you probably know) does not always equal disrespect. In fact, often times I very much respect those I choose to address here online, in life, etc., etc. This is just another medium; its still the same old human communication thing going on--though, yes, I'd wager some are still better in that aspect of experiences and proficiencies than others.
And yes. It is true that almost every news source out their is biased in one form or another. That is why it is important to understand that, read across the board, and employ critical thinking skills. The same thing one does when being paid to write a paper or a book (but I won't talk about that, for fear of coming across as elitist, lol,). One does indeed need to be able to decipher what is crap, rumor, intimation, and what is a valid source.... And actually, in a very un-elitist like fashion, I would like to believe this is something that can be taught in college...maybe in journalism school, maybe in other disciplines. But maybe also it takes inclination, time and effort....AND natural ability.
Some here spew. And that's all they are doing. Some troll. Some are looking for something 'just like them' in Mrs. Palin and think it that is enough for decent governance (which I would actually posit is the worst kind of elitism/egoism of all). Some, IMHO, are looking at things on a very surface level...
I hold out, however, even in this day and age, even with the cynicism towards bias, that something approaching the 'truth' or the real story, a la Walter Kronkite (who I thought had an amazing life and career); some universals do exist in a world gone all post-modern relativist.
How anyone can write anything worthwhile...whether that be a post, press release copy, a hub, an essay or a book...and NOT believe that is beyond me. For I believe that a good interpretation of an event, a history, or a life CAN be formulated...something approaching truth...if that is what an author/researcher is after. And spin is just spin.
Your da gurl, girly!
Why thank you, Misha.
I have a feeling that not everyone around here will have a sentiment similar to yours. hahaha But that's o.k., it's what makes the world go 'round.
Thanks for your response, Mighty Mom...I am truly fascinated by this and appreciate everyone's input. Maybe it's because I know a million political consultants and operatives, but I just don't see her packaging being enough. Nearly enough. If she was a member of the democratic party (far stretch, right? lol but let's just say theoretically), I wouldn't feel threatened because of her packaging. I think American voters look to more than just that. I certainly hope so. I know that some poor losers are like "oh, people only voted for Obama just because he is so charismatic". I don't think that's true, I never did. The majority of voters really did want change and the Obama campaign did a better job at portraying that. Fair enough. See? I'm a good sport (and a realist)
But, just to play devil's advocate here, I am certain that all politicians have ruthless ambition. You don't get very far (certainly not to the highest political position in the nation) unless you do. I know that President Obama has ruthless ambition. Just ask Hilary Clinton. I have heard many interesting things straight from a few of her former presidential primary campaign advisors in a confidential setting about some of the campaign strategies of Team Obama. They were in it to win it; and speaking as a former campaign operative, I understand that.
But, at the end of the day, I'm sure you need more than ruthless ambition to win the presidency, it's an ingredient, certainly, but not the main contributing factor. At least I would hope not.
In addition to all of this, I do not view Palin as a front runner for any presidential election over the next 8 years. I just don't see it. I have my reasons why but I would rather not get into them online. They have nothing to do with dirt on her or anything like that, rather the way that certain things operate in the political world.
I've g2g some sleep, but I am seriously enjoying this respectful, friendly, stimulating political conversation on HubPages! (This just might be a first lol)
I am definitely aware that Fox News is a bias network. Absolutely.
MSNBC is equal, in my opinion. But, Fox News is just one news source. I don't have the list anymore, but the list of mainstream media sources that tend to support liberal viewpoints (or whatever you want to call it...I hate using liberal/conservative in a comparison and contrast like this) is MUCH larger than the conservative media. I think Fox seems so big, just because it's one of the only conservative sources out there and more people collectively watch it, rather then spreading their viewership over many different networks and publications.
I prefer reading my stuff right from the AP or Reuters. I occasionally watch Fox News, but usually to watch interviews with people that I have worked with or am interested in their opinion. The "FOX NEWS ALERTS!" annoy the hell out of me. lol
As for the blogosphere, I stay away from that completely. There are many crazies on each end of the spectrum and I think they eventually end up sounding like one another to tell you the truth. lol President Bush has been called all of those things that you mentioned about Obama over the last 8 years. It's just the way people in cyberspace like to write, I guess. Controversy means more views, and more views typically equals more earnings! (True for any news source)
lol I thought I'd respond to SweetiePie's post before I went to bed. Now, I see another one! Ahhhhh, they keep coming lol. I will definitely return tomorrow to see where the forum has gone (hopefully not in a negative direction
Goodnight!!
I always appreciate your posts girly_girl
. Thanks for always being fair and objective. I do not mean the throw the blogosphere out there, but lately I have been receiving emails from people who think it is the real media.That is the problem, exactly. So many people read something on a blog and it spreads like wild fire. People don't check their sources or facts anymore and if they do, they use a slanted blog to do so! It makes for a very frustrating dilemma, that is for sure.
I have some friends who have done extensive research on a few blogs and their ties to addresses on K Street in Washington, D.C. There are blogs out there made to look like personal blogs of sorts that are actually written by PACs (or indirectly written) or by political operatives that have agendas. Unfortunately, the blogosphere has become insanely dirty, and of course I mean politically. The rumors spread so fast, it is absolutely mind-blowing. I stay away from political blogs all together other than the ones a few former colleagues and friends operate.
Anyways, I MUST get some sleep. Goodnight! (I shouldn't of had that latte at 11pm!)
LOL I may be elitist too Lita, but i too am kind of puzzled with you sticking your journalistic credentials in every other thread. Considering the current pity state of American journalism, it is rather negative credential in my eyes.
Don't have much time...gotta run off to a job, lol. Maybe ditch digging, oh, I dunnnnno...
I truly am not. However, if GG, at 22 can claim political credentials, and my other post did not seem satisfactory--and as anyone really looking and not looking for possible 'elitism' can see--I did go into the story of why I might be 'qualified' to speak about Palin as I have. It wasn't just a trouncing out of degrees...if I wanted to do that, I have more 'sparkling' credentials to display than a simple B.A.
My interest now, lol, is more in why certain men seem to really want to press that 'elitism' button onto certain women on these forums, especially when they are not being addressed in any manner. It interests me,. Maybe I should write about that, too.Ah, so it's sexism! That one gets hauled out pretty often as well. "How dare you MEN talk to ME that way!"
I thought we had reached a point where men and women could be treated equally. I would like to think that I have enough respect for grown women not to treat them with kid gloves as if they were children who needed to be 'protected' from frank discussion.Are you trying to out-degree her? Does not make any sense to me, I really can't care less about her or your degrees, I do read what you actually write, and I think most people here don't really give a rat's ass for one or two or three MBAs, and for BA too for that matter - it is not really why we respect anybody here.
And yes, I have an MBA equivalent in engineering, and my wife has MBA in finance - so what? Fiery has bigger penis!
Speak for yourself.
You have never came across as elitist to me Lita
. Not sure how being well informed and having a passion for a subject is being elitist. To be honest I feel like I even have to censor myself from time to time because of the certain tirades that begin when I make a comment.Actually I thought this was TK who has been called elitist
- Leta Sposted 15 years ago0
I think it is all a little more complex than that, guys. And I'm not the ONLY woman here who has noted it, either,
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Again. You were not being addressed. I was engaging someone else, GG (who I would say I have a respect for, yes), not you ALL.
Actions are always interesting indicators of things, as well as words. Gotta go. It's a public forum Lita. If you want a conversation to stay private, you better use email.
Drinking Peet's coffee (best in the world) does not make you elitist. Misspelling the brand name even gives you a touch of blue collarness.
Good morning to you.
I think you forgot to mention that Ron's penis is bigger than Fiery's. Other then that, I agree to your summation.
This is what I have seen, and I will probably be lambasted for it. A few women in the political forums, myself included, have been been recipients of unwarranted insults simply stating opinions that do not fall in line with a certain points of view. Interestingly the same people throwing around the term elitist might note no one is doing that towards them. Yes politics can be a nasty ground of political discontent, but the simple truth is girly_girl has been accorded more respect by certain gentlemen because her politics are inline with theirs. I really enjoy her posts and what she has to say, so I can see why so many people like her
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Girly_girl is tremendously respectful, but Lita is also. Certain people on this thread have attributed things I said to Lita because they are irritated with me. I may have said things people do not like, but other are free to speak their minds without being lambasted.So maybe the differences of opinion that you have taken as meany-meany disrespect against a woman are just differences of opinion and not related to gender? Maybe? Yes, yes, I know your dignity has been assaulted by the terrible hatred of reading my comments.
You don't drink coffee?
Hi, MM-
If I may speak to this post and previous ones (home from work a little early, feel I gotta do this before I start out on the copy I've taken home)...and to respond to you, as what I'm saying might start something up again--AND I know you will get it--
Yes, I do feel that sometimes one's experience and qualifications are of import in discussing certain issues--especially, I don't know, in threads concerning the media (?) And that I realized by reading the posts that most were just discussing Palin (except GG, who has prof. experience regarding her) in a general way. I realized my interest and study of her probably wasn't general, hence the mention of journalism, etc., etc.
Some here approach life, I feel, and politics, and posting in these forums in a very stereotypical fashion, just assuming this or that person is an 'elitist' because they may have knowledge, express themselves passionately, or what have you. I was talking to whom I was talking to for a reason. I wasn't interested (and am usually not interested) in engaging those, in my very, very humble opinion, who make these sorts of conclusions. And yes, they do often happen to be male, follow people around and spew.
As to my writing style. Never been one to smooth things over in that kind of way...don't find it too often works for me anyway (tried it), as some appear to like to fight with me,. Cannot say I DEFEND my points vehemently. I state things passionately yes--I think it is just my writing voice and belief in what I am saying.
Sigh. Another thing is, some people are here to flirt. And that's great and all--everyone is here for whatever reason--but that just isn't my style (at least my style that way isn't very overt,). Sorry about it (uh, I guess), but that isn't everybody's interest... Believe that some of the boys club don't cotton much to women like that...as WELL as those who differ so vastly in political beliefs.
This whole incident, etc., and Sarah Palin (why is she so often in the middle? I think because she is an iconic figure around which all these issues come into play) would make for some very interesting interpretive material!
Uh-oh. Cole, wait for me!
Bye galsUmm, ok, if you stay, I stay. I will hide behind your back though, some gals here scare me.
Not sure why anyone would be scared of anyone lol
.That is true TK, you do ask me a lot of questions...
I wouldn't worry about it Sweetie, if he is asking questions of only women, either grant or deny him female attention and move on.@Colebabie But he is gonna resort to ad hominem only against liberal women... when liberal women reply to him..... they gonna seem "mean" compared to "nice" replies of the conservative girl..... since liberal men here aren't going after conservative girls.
And you're right.... you shouldn't.... I have more respect now for women like SweetiePie and Lita who stand up for these guys... no point in being nice to folks like them..... when they're not giving the same respect to us... showing the other cheek... doesn't work always.
Yes, much respect for them. If they felt like they weren't being heard or were being disregarded, they definitely have a right to stand up for themselves. Everyone has their own way of handling things. I give props to them for theirs
I cannot say I ever feel disregarded, Cole. Probably the opposite, lol. Sometimes too regarded,
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I simply am going to state what I believe. If there are those (and there appear always to be...and especially certain men here, as has been discussed--good discussion, btw) who apparently take issue with that, fine. But they need to know it is their issue.
I have shown no disrespect to anyone, save one here I really feel shouldn't be here by virtue of personal attacks on more than just females, or 'elitist' liberal females, or what have you. That's part of the point, but also besides the point.
Are there people I'm more interested in engaging, for whatever reason? Yeah, sure. That's life. All people are not for all others.
Very smart guy,
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I agree with your common sense approach Colebabie
. On a more happy note, did I hear something about coffee?Oops, sorry, it's soooo attractive
- pgrundyposted 15 years ago0
- pgrundyposted 15 years ago0
Yes she's a very polarizing figure and seems to capitalize on that at every turn. I'm tired of the culture wars though. I don't see the need to agree on God, and child rearing, and monkeys and dinosaurs and every last little bump and wrinkle on the radar chart. Whatever happened to staying out of your neighbor's business so long as they stay out of yours????
I sometimes think Americans have just lost their manners (as opposed to their minds).Not to be rude, but did they ever have any? American tourists is a well known disaster all over the World, exactly for the lack of manners. (This is not to say Russian tourists did not become the same kind of disaster lately
)You have a point there Misha. lol!
And yes, we have that in common with Russians!
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