Are We Headed Towards Dictatorship?

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jiberishposted 13 years ago
Buffy Wicks is said to have ties to ACORN, this self-proclaimed “Walmart Slayer” Buffy uses her prestigious appointed position, with a handsome salary and job-related perks paid by American taxpayers, to slay dissenters of the president. To silence conservatives. To spearhead boycotts (paid for by American taxpayers, including conservatives, by the way) against any businesses or talk show hosts who aren't “on board” with ObamaCare or anything else the government wants to shove down American citizens’ throats. To support and possibly fund partisan agenda, AGAIN with taxpayers’ money.
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  cosetteposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  no.
  
  America is still full of Americans who will not stand for it, regardless of what may or may not be going on in Washington D.C.
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  Daniel Carterposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Agreed. The pundits ALWAYS spread fear and hate. Doesn't matter which side of the fence you're on. If you listen to the pundits, you don't get the facts. While Obama is controversial in many respects, listening to half truths and full lies about him does nothing to educate the average American about the facts.
  
  We need to stop being influenced by manipulative, fearmongering pundits, and expect to get the facts for ourselves.
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  dutchman1951posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Could be Dictatorship, feels Odd to me. Or,
  More like a restructuring of Check and Balance, a push to Make the Executive Office a lone wolf away from Senate and Congressional Oversight, it is a lead in to a One Party system The Exec proposing laws the One party Legislative Branch mearly writing it as law and voting it in. If it works, they are open then to total economic re-distribution of wealth.
  
  More like America like it is, freedom but with Labor or Unions making jobs possible to Individuals, controling who gtes good jobs etc.. Taxes taken immediately, Buiness giving back profits for the so called common good...socialist states, welfare states. Look at how Acorn is developed and structured, and you'll have it. WE are heading for social strife, and class warfare in an economic sense. Radical Liberalism.
  
  IT IS NO GOOD, FOR ANYONE, BUT THE IMMEDIATE MEMBERS OF THE PARTY IN POWER.
  
  More like a Radical British, Monarch type of system. Obama has already stated openly that the Constitution is flawed???? watch out.
  
  Obama is trying to fix what He sees as flaws without a public mandate to do it, using a majority party to push his ideals.
  He is oversteping the THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH POWERS, ABUSING IT.
  
  He is working Just under the borderline of Illegal,or possily illegal; He is creating a shadow goverment to skirt around the Legislative Branch.
  
  It is comming to the surface slowly, I just hope we will still be ahead of it when it does. It is being watched and will be challenged, But, The bad thing here is will the Supreme Court allow it. 2012 can not get here fast enough for me!
  
  Obama did not have the Majority Public vote, he won the electorial states, worked the weighted averages. He even admitted in his Chicago Acceptance speech that He would also be the President for all those who did not vote for Him. He knows it, but He is an arrogant Harvard Idealist. He can not help it, and we got dupped on his way into power. He's one hell of a car salesman. I'll give him that.
  
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  dutchman1951posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  From the Chicago Trib:
  
  An Anti-Capitalism Agenda
  To understand the nature and extent of Acorn’s radicalism, an excellent place to begin is Sol Stern’s 2003 City Journal article, “ACORN’s Nutty Regime for Cities.” (For a shorter but helpful piece, try Steven Malanga’s “Acorn Squash.”)
  
  Sol Stern explains that Acorn is the key modern successor of the radical 1960’s “New Left,” with a “1960’s-bred agenda of anti-capitalism” to match. Acorn, says Stern, grew out of “one of the New Left’s silliest and most destructive groups, the National Welfare Rights Organization.” In the 1960’s, NWRO launched a campaign of sit-ins and disruptions at welfare offices. The goal was to remove eligibility restrictions, and thus effectively flood welfare rolls with so many clients that the system would burst. The theory, explains Stern, was that an impossibly overburdened welfare system would force “a radical reconstruction of America’s unjust capitalist economy.” Instead of a socialist utopia, however, we got the culture of dependency and family breakdown that ate away at America’s inner cities — until welfare reform began to turn the tide.
  
  While Acorn holds to NWRO’s radical economic framework and its confrontational 1960’s-style tactics, the targets and strategy have changed. Acorn prefers to fly under the national radar, organizing locally in liberal urban areas — where, Stern observes, local legislators and reporters are often “slow to grasp how radical Acorn’s positions really are.” Acorn’s new goals are municipal “living wage” laws targeting “big-box” stores like Wal-Mart, rolling back welfare reform, and regulating banks — efforts styled as combating “predatory lending.” Unfortunately, instead of helping workers, Acorn’s living-wage campaigns drive businesses out of the very neighborhoods where jobs are needed most. Acorn’s opposition to welfare reform only threatens to worsen the self-reinforcing cycle of urban poverty and family breakdown. Perhaps most mischievously, says Stern, Acorn uses banking regulations to pressure financial institutions into massive “donations” that it uses to finance supposedly non-partisan voter turn-out drives.
  
  According to Stern, Acorn’s radical agenda sometimes shifts toward “undisguised authoritarian socialism.” Fully aware of its living-wage campaign’s tendency to drive businesses out of cities, Acorn hopes to force companies that want to move to obtain “exit visas.” “How much longer before Acorn calls for exit visas for wealthy or middle-class individuals before they can leave a city?” asks Stern, adding, “This is the road to serfdom indeed.”
  
  serfdom is a good word for where we are going I think!
  
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  rbrt_leviposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Good preception
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  mandybeau1posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I called my cat Buffy, it sort of isn't a person type name, I could never take anyone called Buffy seriouskly. Besides imagine when she is 80 Buffy sounds like a little kids name, or a cats.
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  Deborah-Lynnposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
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  mandybeau1posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  True I did...................It is so a cats name.
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  RKHenryposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  To think that a dictatorship is a remote possibility, makes me wonder what meds your taking.
  
  Ridiculous. Seriously ridiculous.
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  ledefensetechposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I really hate to do this, but there were Germans who thought that if Hitler didn't work out, they could vote him out in the next election. We all know how that one ended.
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  Ghost32posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  And it's not just Hitler. I've been at least somewhat politically aware since standing up for Truman (which nearly got me pounded by my fellow fourth graders, circa 1952 but prior to Ike's election)...and the trend has definitely been inexorably away from liberty and toward oppressive government during the past 5.7 decades.
  
  In 1962, a renowned rodeo contractor and close friend of the family died at the age of 62, having successfully made his own way in the world after running away from home at the age of 12. In that same year, you could still order a rifle from a mail order catalog or pick one up from any harware store in your area. No President could go to war without the express consent of Congress; autocratic Executive Orders did not exist. I could go on listing examples of "greater freedom of choice then, less now" all night--but after all, this is a forum post, not a hub.
  
  That said, are we at a tipping point in history? Is this the time when a dictatorship in the Federally Owned States of America might actually be a possibility? I don't claim to know.
  
  But I do admit to being highly nervous.
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  ledefensetechposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Truman was a big part of the problem, even if he only passed the laws Congress gave him. Unions began to attempt their total subversion of the US economy and look where that has gotten us. The problems go clear back to Teddy Roosevelt, the Republican Congress of the Civil War years and Reconstruction, The Whig party and the Federalists before them. Always in this country there were those who wanted to consolidate power in Washington and those who wanted to decentralize power in the US. After TR, the only arguments were over who got to wield centralized power. That's why there is no real difference between the parties anymore. They both want the same thing, but the spoils go to different places.
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  Ghost32posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I totally agree Truman was a big part of the problem. A "bit" of reading and paying attention here and there since I was ten years old has made at least a teensy bit of difference!
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  Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Truman is ranked by historians among the best presidents. In the 1950s and 1960s good paid unionized and non-union factory jobs were plentiful and paid well enough that one breadwinner was enough to support a middle class family while the spouse stayed home and raised the kids. The Truman and Eisenhower years were periods of unparalled prosperity in the U.S.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Truman is ranked by historians among the best presidents. In the 1950s and 1960s good paid unionized and non-union factory jobs were plentiful and paid well enough that one breadwinner was enough to support a middle class family while the spouse stayed home and raised the kids. The Truman and Eisenhower years were periods of unparalled prosperity in the U.S. These polls of historians ranks him 7th or 8th among all presidents.
  
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical … residents, behind Lincoln, Washington, Franklin Roosevelt, Jefferson, Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson and then, Harry S. Truman.
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  ledefensetechposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Um Ralph, the only reason union wages were paid back in the 50's was because we were the only industrial nation producing stuff for people to buy. People had no choice, in other words, but to buy American. It's interesting to note that during the 1960's and 1970's American dominance began to wane as people looked for less expensive goods than American made goods. This was also the time that manufacturers left the US in search of cheaper labor.
  
  Truman had nothing to do with the prevalence of union wages but his regulatory agencies and laws passed during his term were what sent jobs overseas in the 1960's and 1970's. But then again why bother to read things that challenge your assumptions when all you have to do is read the biased accounts of people you "trust".
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  Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I read a lot of things and I remember the 1950s quite clearly. I'm open to suggestions other than Ayn Rand or Hayek.
  
  It's true that the U.S. in the 1950s had not yet begun to be flooded with imported manufactured goods from Europe or Japan. It's also true that our major industries were not as anti-union as employers are today and that the Truman and Eisenhower administrations applied labor law more impartially than did some subsequent administrations. Union avoidance had not become so rampant in that period.
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe you should switch your medication.
  
  To compare the current US gov. to that of Hitler's Germany, is just plain stupid.
  
  Can you argue anything without including make believe ideology, or delusional representations? Seems to me you cannot. As Rk would say, "Ridiculous!"
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  dutchman1951posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well watch out, there is more comming. Bob Bauer the Husband of Anita Dunn, and Obamas Private Attorney, and also ACORN Council is going to replace the current White House Council????
  
  They are rallying the wagons for something, hmmmm..?
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  Will Apseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Why are Americans so scared of their Government? This is a serious question. I am genuinely curious.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Good question. Politics are more polarized than in my memory, and perhaps all the b.S. circulating on the Intenet may be contributing. Also, the looney tunes right wing partisans on Faux News and talk radio are a significant factor in undermining confidence in the government. The deep recession and high unemployment passed on by the Bush administration provide fertile ground for conspiracy theorists and right wingnuts.
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  jiberishposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The question should be why are some so afraid of those in the news who are pointing out America's concerns with this administration.
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  Will Apseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Sounds plausible. The diminishing power of the real media- newspapers with trained journalists and reputations for truth and fairness to protect- is a serious threat to democracy everywhere. Rumour generation, misinformation, spin and manipulation of basic insecurities is a recipe for mob rule, with the mob being directed by the least scrupulous interest groups.
  
  I sometimes think it is also to do with the sheer size of the US. If the Government of the UK or France upset its population, people can be outside the legislatures in a matter of hours. It gives a sense of control and also a feeling that it is 'our government' whatever party is in power.
  
  Often, reading US writers, the government sounds like a distant but omnipotent occupying force.
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  rebekahELLEposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  what you say here makes much more sense than some of the right-wing writers on these forums. not all Americans believe as you see here in this tiny segment of HP. those with the loudest voices are often heard but not 'listened' to. you see what networks such as fox news have done to those who have it on 24/7 in their homes. a manic mood of hyperventilating pundits. who could actually listen to someone like ann coulter and take her seriously? glenn beck? no thanks.
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  ledefensetechposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Real media? Please. The media is under siege because it's becoming more and more known for writing stories slanted to the personal bias of the journalists or editors. What we're seeing in many ways is a recreation of the environment first seen during Gutenberg's day when all sorts of ideas were written about by pamphleteers and circulated throughout Europe. That was one of the forces behind the dissolution of the Church over secular and religious life in Europe. The same thing is happening today, but this time it's the State which is being outed rather than the Church.
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  tksenseiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  ..................
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  tksenseiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  We aren't.
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Mishaposted 13 years ago
Read Plato.
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  prettydarkhorseposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  AMEN to that
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  Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Misha you look very scientific in this pic
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jiberishposted 13 years ago
UPDATE: The White House has been caught on tape conspiring to use the National Endowment for the Arts to advance the Obama political agenda. The conference call involved Buffy Wicks, Deputy Director of the White House Office of Public Engagement.
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ralwusposted 13 years ago
I don't see any dictator taking over here. They would need the complete support of military and all police agencies, FBI, CIA, etc. The only way is if we were invaded and conquered. God I hope I am wrong.
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  rhamsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Don't forget about all the gun owners. I am sure you would see a lot of bullets in the air before that would happen.
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cosetteposted 13 years ago
Mhmm.

and i know soldiers are trained to follow orders but i think even they would not help bring about a dictatorship of their country, no matter what the Commander In Chief directed them to do.

i don't know where that talk is originating but i think it is dangerous.
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jiberishposted 13 years ago
Obama's administration is making plans for him to be at the 2016 Olympics? A little premature I think.
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jiberishposted 13 years ago
Headalines:
Tucson schools create race-based system of discipline
by Doug MacEachern – Sept. 19, 2009 08:22 PM
The Arizona Republic

…The board is calling for a two-tiered form of student discipline. One for Black and Hispanic students; one for everyone else.
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  Leta Sposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Um, what?
  
  That sounds....odd. I'll need more context. Don't think it is being presented here.
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  jiberishposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Lita, I saved this earlier this week, I will get back to you on the source, I believe it came straight from the school board.
  
  Tucson schools create race-based system of discipline
  by Doug MacEachern – Sept. 19, 2009 08:22 PM
  The Arizona Republic
  
  …The board is calling for a two-tiered form of student discipline. One for Black and Hispanic students; one for everyone else.
  
  With the goal of creating a “restorative school culture and climate” that conveys a “sense of belonging to all students,” the board is insisting that its schools reduce its suspensions and/or expulsions of minority students to the point that the data reflect “no ethnic/racial disparities.”
  
  From the section of the 52-page plan titled “Restorative School Culture and Climate,” subhead, “Discipline”:
  
  “School data that show disparities in suspension/expulsion rates will be examined in detail for root causes. Special attention will be dedicated to data regarding African-American and Hispanic students.”
  
  The board approved creating an “Equity Team” that will oversee the plan to ensure “a commitment to social justice for all students.”
  
  The happy-face edu-speak notwithstanding, what the Tucson Unified School District board of governors has approved this summer is a race-based system of
  discipline.
  
  Offenses by students will be judged, and penalties meted out, depending on the student’s hue.
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  Madame Xposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Sounds like a great formula for impunity.
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  cosetteposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  really?
  
  hmm so much for color-blindness.
  
  that could create problems among the student body. some kids might be bad but not be punished whereas another kid is bad and gets punished, which is unfair. equal justice. hmm i wonder why the ACLU hasn't stepped in on this one.
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  Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hmm. I'm not getting the same take on this as you I guess. "A commitment to social justice for all students." Yep, sounds terrible.
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  Mishaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That's because you did not get used to newspeak. You will eventually, but it will be too late. Read Orwell, for God sake!
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  ledefensetechposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  But, but, but it has social justice right there in the title. Surely that's good, isn't it?
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  Mishaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Should I post a link to 1937 USSR constitution again?
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  ledefensetechposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Why not, it might help.
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  Mishaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Sure, here is the most interesting part http://www.departments.bucknell.edu/rus … tml#chap10
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  ledefensetechposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Article 18 was hilarious. Didn't the Russians come up with the saying: "They pretend to pay us, we pretend to work"?
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  Mishaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  yes, but it was much later. At the times of this constitution such jokes cost people lives.
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  jiberishposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  At least it's clear and to the point.
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  ledefensetechposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Actually I found much of it to be eerily similar to our Bill of Rights. Guess you need more than words on paper to make a thing true. I really, really don't want to be a revolutionary. I hope to hell people wake up.
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  Mishaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That's my thought too LDT.
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  Bibowenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, good idea. Include the part about the separation of church and state also--a favorite of the Communists and the Klan.
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  Mishaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I did already, check the thread.
  
  For the record, I think current American problems are NOT because of declining popularity of Christianity.
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  Bibowenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Perhaps you should check it....
  
  As for the separation of church and state, it was just one goodie that the communists used to silence religious dissent. As for the Klan, they used it to silence the Catholics. American liberals use it to silence the evangelicals.
  
  As for your last comment, your point is......?
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  Mishaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Not sure what I should check - I posted the link on the previous page.
  
  And no, they did not use this clause too much. By the time this constitution was written, religion in USSR has been destroyed.
  
  as for my point - I do not buy into your thesis of state and church separation being the root of current American problems.
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  Bibowenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not sure whether or not it's at the "root" of American problems either (whatever that means). And, I'm not offering a thesis, but rather a historical observation that promoters of the separation of church and state usually have in mind to silence a specific group as I mentioned above.
  
  As for religion being destroyed in USSR, I think the record indicates that there was a thriving underground church and that religion had not been destroyed and that the "separation of church and state" clause and the "separation of religion and education" clause were very much in effect.
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  Mishaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  My observations differ, and this is what I wanted to put on the record.
  
  As for the "thriving underground church" in the USSR, you surely know better.
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  Bibowenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Actually, many in the US were aware of the underground church. Organizations like Voice of the Martyrs regularly reported on the persecution of underground Christians in the USSR and the Soviet bloc. KGB would regularly break up house meetings of believers assembled.
  
  The underground church and the persecution of believers by the KGB is a matter of record. Why would you dispute it? You can't blame Soviet propaganda anymore.
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  Mishaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No question it was there, and actually acted much more Christ-like than when it was in power. Yet to call it "thriving" is a bit of overstatement, to put it politely.
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  Bibowenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I don't think "thriving" is a bad choice of words. It "thrived" in the same sense that the Christian church thrived from the first to fouth centuries AD in spite of the 10 Roman persecutions (from Nero to Diocletian). In spite of the persecution and the miserable conditions they endured, early Christians gained converts and even raised money to fund global missions. The Church of Christ advanced and did so outside the traditional political structures by winnning the heart rather than coercing the body. The Soviet church faired similarly.
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  Mishaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I don't think dictionary agrees to you, but I won't going to argue over words with a native speaker. Whatever rolls your boat.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  War Of The Worlds?
  
  Maybe Texas will be a separate nation by then ?
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  Mishaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No honey, it's not about Orson Welles, it's about George Orwell. Slightly different, but who cares really. Any drinks for you?
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  Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Opps sorry, just came from Religious forum sheesh they talkin in the rafters again ,and you guys didnt leave any popcorn
  
  Think I was also thinkin bout the book/movie Animal Farm too.
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  Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes I know, 1984, read it in college. Read Mein Kampf too. Read lots of books by those predicting future events and political struggles. Doesn't mean they are true in their predictions. The word "social" seems to terrorize some people.
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  Mishaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  as nicomp says - uncle
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  Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well guess what my sons high school class is reading right now ,in Social Studies (New Zealand no less)- Putin ,which he loves because of the military ? gasp lol
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  Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Good for him! Learning about all types of political ideas will make him better able to understand the world and why it is as it is.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes I agree ,and Im glad his teachers encourage them to look at world systems more.
  He asked me last week how Americans felt now they had a Democrat for President ..whens hes online the same times as me I will post him some of these pages
  
  It does seem like some people are campaigning already,
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  Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Some never stop!
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  A Texanposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  God I hope so!
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  Leta Sposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hmmm. Well, I have heard Tucson is one of Arizona's liberal ghettos...good university, etc., etc. And I'm using my experience of living in a liberal university town in interpreting this...but I would say it was like the Iowa City Halloween costume incident. The public schools (which are influenced by the university, but ARE not, lol, equals) declared, in a fit of political correctness, that no students wear witches or devil costumes to school for fear of offending people of alternative religions, but instead, costumes based on "literary characters." Which is just....OMG! I'm sure most see the problem? Think MacBeth, ie.
  
  The Iowa City school system made national news and was kinda a laughing stock... So I'm thinking this Tucson thing is a similar thing. 'Good' instincts, lousy-ish comprehensive outlook. I'm gonna guess this idea gets a bit changed.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Just when you think liberals can't get any dumber they take it down to a new level of dumb. Sounds like the Tucson School district is the whole tool box!
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  RooBeeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Wow, sneako- you're kind of, well ... mean!
  The article doesn't even necessarily refer to liberal, democrat, left wing, or anything along that vein and yet you felt compelled to make that comment?
  I think what the district is proposing is completely asinine, regardless of the party affiliation of council members (or wherever you get this "liberal" connection).
  Sorry, I don't usually do this but your post seemed like nothing more than an excuse to insult people. Is it really so black and white? Are there only liberals and conservatives, with bullet point attributes that are applicable only to one or the other?
  Anyway, you are probably very nice in real life.
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  LiamBeanposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Just when I think someone would recognize a slanted article and take it for what it is...crap. You wing-nuts never cease to amaze me with you gullibility.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  jib, have you considered the possibility that heretofore minorities have been treated more severely than non-minorities? Where I live just about everybody recognizes that blacks get more than their share of traffic tickets from lily white suburban policemen and not because they are violating more. Some (I'm not one of them.) suspect that the police have radar that detects skin color.
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  rhamsonposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Around here we call it a "DWB" driving while black.
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  cosetteposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  what about Asian students, or Indian, etc.
  
  where do they fit in?
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  LiamBeanposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Ah, the real issue comes out.
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Len Cannonposted 13 years ago
I don't want to discuss this but here's what I WILL do. I'll make a bet with you! Just a friendly wager, no real gambling.

If Barack Obama turns the United States of America into a dictatorship or even seeks a third term I will share whatever food rations I still have as we're marched into the football stadiums for temporary reeducation housing.

If the United States continues as it has decade after decade, you'll write Barack Obama a sincere apology.
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  RooBeeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I want in!
  
  To answer OP: No.
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  Leta Sposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  lololololo
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ledefensetechposted 13 years ago
It's not Barak Obama's fault. Really. We've had a dictator, FDR, and have been heading toward a totalitarian state for about a century now.
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Mishaposted 13 years ago
Some people just can't see beyond a year or two
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  ledefensetechposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It's because they don't teach history anymore.
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jiberishposted 13 years ago
http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/ … yone-else/
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  jiberishposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  This makes for interesting reading.
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  jiberishposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/ … yone-else/
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jiberishposted 13 years ago
Thank you Dutchman, but it seems that no matter how much information we give in the forums there will still be those who choose to ignore the facts.
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  dutchman1951posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  agree
  
  Jon
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  LiamBeanposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Let me know when you actually post some; facts that is. Better yet I'll let you know.
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jiberishposted 13 years ago
Funny when you post real facts, no one is interested.
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  livelongerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Explains the Limbaugh/Beck/Olbermann phenomenon, doesn't it?
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  LiamBeanposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Real facts as opposed to what; unreal facts?
  
  I think the whole thing is pretty much made up....and you bought it. I've got a bridge in Brooklyn. You can make a lot of money on it charging people to cross. Interested?
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tksenseiposted 13 years ago
If someone goes on and on about their poltical bias and no one is listening, does it make a sound?
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  LiamBeanposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Probably a buzzing in the ears.
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  LiamBeanposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  What? *snerk*
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  rbrt_leviposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, someone will hear you. Everyone won't hear you because all words are not meant for everybody. As you see your word have found me. It is my hope that we will meet again at this site along with many more whom share our interest and together maybe we can make a difference. Remember our fore - fathers and mothers had to organize the " boston Tea Party".
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Mishaposted 13 years ago
Yeah, I definitely heard a lot of buzz.
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jiberishposted 13 years ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zrsl8o4ZPo
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  Mishaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Terrible flashbacks...
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  ledefensetechposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm sure. When I saw that I thought I was looking at a video from North Korea or something. At least the Progressives have finally shown their true colors and Americans can see them for what they really are.
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  Mishaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It likely will get downplayed by media as an atypical fact and forgotten, until the next one comes along. Eventually populace will think this is normal.
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  ledefensetechposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I don't think so Misha. Education is something of a sacred cow here in the States that you just don't screw with. There are a lot of pissed off parents out there. In order to control the schools, they've had to go through all sorts of flaming hoops to, well it amounts to blackmail really. Since schools are more and more dependent on federal funding to stay running, the government can do this sort of crap. It's never been this blatant before and that makes all the difference.
  
  That's why we fight so much about private vs public schools, vouchers etc. Personally I live for the day that we abolish the public school system in this country. There'd be no chance of mass indoctrination then.
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Mishaposted 13 years ago
Well, I am keeping my fingers crossed, but I am not holding my breath....
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ledefensetechposted 13 years ago
2010 will be an interesting election cycle, I think. 2012 more so.
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Mishaposted 13 years ago
We live during interesting times
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A Texanposted 13 years ago
"don't think dictionary agrees to you, but I won't going to argue over words with a native speaker. Whatever rolls your boat."

Rows the boat! Are you still here?
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zampanoposted 13 years ago
anyway, be comforted with the idea that France is always happy to house asylum seekers.
Americans here, seem to live fine.
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rbrt_leviposted 13 years ago
Let me first apologize for being away for so long. I read your hub and I agree with your comments and many more that I have read. The question in my mind is (what can we do as a people to stop the dismemberment of the Constitution which is giving the city, state, and government the power to control us so fully?).

Getting the word out is one key component. As I remember history i'm reminded of the Bostin Tea Party which was organized by the people in protest. I believe that if we as a people do not follow the example set by our fore-fathers and mothers, we as headed for communisum.

Complete govenrment control. The fore-fathers saw this coming and so wrote The Constitution to protect us from such a tragic end. But our elected officials are hard at work with their Constitutional amendments changing the Constitution which is giving them the power to gain so much control over us.

We must fight against Constitutional amendments. If we don't the USA will be another Russia within 50 years. in fact it scares me to think that my child will grow-up and not know the freedoms that I have enjoyed.
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Cagsilposted 13 years ago
We already live in a Totalitarian society?

Don't we?

We are told what to do?

We are told what to think?

We are told by law we must obey?
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Cagsilposted 13 years ago
Business needs to release the strangle-hold it has on congress.
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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
In my city, Melbourne in Australia the American embassy is on one of our major thoroughfares in the CBD
I have been in there a few times over the last 30 years and have always been shocked by how arrogant and self possessed the staff are.
i have met plenty of Americans, and none like the ones in these jobs. Where do you get these goons?
American's should know more about their offshore image, it is not very good in some places.
Obama on the other hand goes down well here, no more wmd bulldust that put us in your war and a friendlier outlook on the world sure helps.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Actually, America is seen as the bully on the block and has been for years.
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  tksenseiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You're welcome to him.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Did you vote?
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  tksenseiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, thanks for asking.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Did you vote for him or not?
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  tksenseiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Vote for whom?
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You said you voted...if you didn't vote for obama, then you obviously voted for someone else.
  
  Hence, Did you vote for him or not?
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  tksenseiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Did I vote for Obama? No, I did not.
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  Real Estate Ladyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I knew there was a reason I like you!
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garynewposted 13 years ago
No, we're not like Hitler's Germany, but we as a nation are getting more repressive (in the name of "diversity") by the day.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  How so?
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rhamsonposted 13 years ago
It is a dictatorship to a certain extent. We place so much importance on the presidency and expect the president to solve all our problems and issues. While some problems can be solved social and economic problems are relevent to the population. Obama can't fix the economy but pressure is placed on him to fix it. This is giving the government the impetus to create regulations and penalties to try and curb popular opinion.

The funny thing about it is that we let the government tell us what to do by not voting and aquiesing power to them to act on our behalf. Guess what, corporations were watching and found a way to vicariously rule us through their donations and perks. The whole system was set up for self rule and unfortunately we may be too late to do it.
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Cagsilposted 13 years ago
Government and Religions are both dictatorships, with a hidden agenda.

Neither are to be trusted 100%.

End of story.
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  Denno66posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Riveting story, Pee Wee!
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