Why exactly does the US fund the UN?

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A Texanposted 15 years ago
Its members are made up of thugs and dictators who hate America so why do we give the UN 5 Billion a year?
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  Eaglekiwiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thats not true and you should not give anyone that amount , not before, first of all closing down all the blood sucking banks in America!! they are the real arrogant theives , are they even American owned ,probably not!
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  ryankettposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Why dont you go and learn how UN membership works? The permanent members are the Nuclear Nations. Who are the thugs and dictators in the eyes of the rest of the world? The nuclear nations of course, of which the USA is one.
  
  The UN Security Counsel also sent a bloody large force to Afganistan for 3 years. Do you think they had change from $5bn? It probably cost $5bn a fortnight.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Why do I care how other Countries perceive the US? Jealousy does not concern me.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Then I'm sure a lot of those countries don't care how the US perceives them either.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thats good!
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  Eaglekiwiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Texan what exactly would they be jealous of?
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Who knows jealousy is not a preoccupation of mine. But what I find most interesting is the people who want to come to America, I never hear of anyone wanting to leave.
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  BristolBoyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You have never been to many areas of London then!
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  ???
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  BristolBoyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I have met many people in London (and other areas of the UK) who claimed to be American, but on second thoughts they must not have been since they would never leave the great country of their birth.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Who knows why they are there,business,travel,people who prefer Britain. I have never met anyone who said they so hated this Country they would leave, Barbara Streisand and Alec Baldwin threatened it but sadly never left. If you or others don't like the US then don't come, believe it or not we don't care! Misha have you left yet?
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  BristolBoyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well the people I was referring to were people who all lived in the UK.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Citizens of the UK or immigrants? I understood you were talking about Americans living in the UK.
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  ryankettposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  FFS, are you really that stupid? There are hundreds of thousands of Americans in the UK, just like vice versa, I have about 15 in my phone contacts right now. Most of them come over to go to University, and then stay.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  FFS? I must really be that stupid. I have never heard of anyone wanting to leave the US, is that a shock to you?
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  ryankettposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe not stupid, but certainly reclusive or withdrawn from society. I have spent a total of about 4 months of my life in the US, and I heard plenty of people saying that they would like to live in the UK for a few years. I guess that I just met normal people, people that like to see the world.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Living in the UK for a couple of years is a far cry from leaving the US because we suck! I have traveled courtesy of the USMC and everywhere I went we were loved and people wanted to come back with us. If you want to do the US a favor have Bill Clinton come back and stay, and have him bring his wife too!
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  ryankettposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You just keep on cutting, pasting, and twisting A Texan. Where did I ever say that the US sucked? Most of this crap that you spout is dreamed up by you. The biggest enemy of America is America, thank you for continously proving that.
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Not yet. I am waiting for my wife to get ready. If this was for me only, I would have left a few years ago. I don't have any interest in living back into the USSR, and this is exactly where you guys are heading.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Didn't see this post. Where ya gonna go?
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The ideal place for me would be a deserted tropical island, but then it is not entirely up to me, so this one is unlikely to materialize. Australia seems like the best compromise so far, except for the skin cancer.
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  LiamBeanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And the rabbits and robot kangaroos.
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I want to leave.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  BYE!
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Having a bad day Tex? NP, ttyl.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Nope, not having a bad day. What is NP?
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  NP is No Problem
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  ahhhh
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That's what is great about America, leave! You won't.
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  Sue Adamsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I have heard of people leaving the States, I have many Expat American friends who have left their country for Europe because they were sick of the ignorance, arrogance, lack of culture and the emphasis on money over there.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Then leave! If you can't make it here then I suggest you go to a Nation of your choice. I don't think you will be missed by a majority of freedom loving people. The good thing about this country is you can just get up and go, seeya!
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  LondonGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  DOn't let the door bang your arse on your way out.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Am I going somewhere?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well I haven't seen you say anything constructive that contributes to the discussion maybe you and Miss Canada can come up with something to warrent your attitudes. I mean other then selfrighteous remarks but please don't pull a brain muscle.
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  All forum threads are not equal in the eyes of the law.
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  Sue Adamsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don´t actually live in the US, never have and never will but I know it well because my brother lives in California and my sister in Boston. Have you ever been outside America Texas boy?
  To get back to your original question, I think that the UN is a good thing and all its members should fund it in proportion to their wealth.
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Tex, They are all jealous of the US, why shouldn't they be?
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  Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That is such a simplistic statement... I don't know anyone who is "jealous" of the US
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Why don't you do some research. When the Security Council was established, only one country was nuclear. You dare to belittle someone when you have know idea of what you speak.
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  as if Hubpages is a decision maker. IDK.
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  sannyasinmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  To control it, which the USA undoubtedly does. You pay 40% of the budget and you get 40% of the posts (quota system), including most of the key posts.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That is how it should be!
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  sannyasinmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So you have yout answer and all is well!
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Not really. I do not want my Country involved in this fiasco any longer, so if its ok with you I'll keep complaining!
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  sannyasinmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ok, that is your privilege. But I don't think that you would really want the USA to contribute less money, and therefore have less influence would you?. This is not the American way, and . . . watch out . . or China might fill the gap, and we may all have to learn Chinese.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  We are a wholly owned subsidiary of China now!
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  Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That explains why Sarah Palin was in Hong Kong giving a speech...
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Must be,plus she got a butt load of money,did you expect her to write hubs?
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  Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So it's okay to deal with the commies if you get paid for it?
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, its ok to deal with them but its not ok to be them.
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  BristolBoyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hong Kong is not a communist entity (although China is). One of the few things the British did before handing the colony of Hong Kong back to the Chinese was enshrine in the constitution the freedoms for individuals and the press (hence Hong Kong media often reporting on sensitive subjects such as Tibet, Xinjiang, Tiananmen etc).
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  She was hunting pandas.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  They taste like chicken!
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  sannyasinmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I thought that Saudi Arabia was the parent company of USA inc?
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Not anymore!
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You keep saying influence, do you mean when they need our money? The 22 Muslim countries in the UN vote against us about 70% of the time. It must be our influence. Check this to see our influence http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0704/p … stats.php3
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  Make Moneyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Harvey when you say "us" are you talking about the US or Israel? 22 Muslim countries out of 192 UN member States is not many. Those are quite the impressive statistics about the UN resolutions, although I'm sure the numbers are low by now. They are not as high as they are for no reason.
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  LondonGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Why stop something you are so good at?
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I won't!
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What is yout?
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  sannyasinmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The opposite of mite
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sure we control everything, that's why they vote against us.
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  sannyasinmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The posts in the UN are alloacted in direct proportion to the amount of money contributed. The USA pays more than anyone else, and so it has most of the posts inside the UN (did you think it was a charitable donation?). The top people can only be appointed with US approval (or direct nomination). To me this amounts to control, although even the US super-rich, superpower cannot have its own way 100% of the time.
  Is this reply to yout liking? Neverthlesess, this is mite opinion.(:-)
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  LiamBeanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The U.S. is a charter member. We helped form the U.N. and Dwight David Eisenhower was a prime mover in that decision. As many here may recall Eisenhower was a Republican.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Circumstances change and to simply say what happened 60yrs ago applies today is nothing short of ignorant.
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  LiamBeanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So I guess that bringing up the formation of this nation two hundred thirty years ago is equally stupid to you. Because, I've got a red hot news flash for you. Circumstance in this country have changed, radically, in that amount of time.
  
  So if Eisenhower had not pushed for charter membership we'd be talking about this now right?
  
  And you call me stupid!
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  233 years ago
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No I called you ignorant but with alittle logic and some serious reading you may be able to overcome your lack of knowledge. See, I have hope for you!
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  LiamBeanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Dude. We are charter members. If Eisenhower had not pushed for membership, and congress was pretty evenly divided on that, we wouldn't be there and we wouldn't be having this discussion.
  
  Maybe YOU should do some serious reading, because frankly you are coming across as a real moron.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ok, I tried, you have to admit, I tried. We need to get the hell out of the UN and I don't give a rats ass what happened 60yrs ago! We are hated around the world and why should we care let them starve, fight and whatever makes them happy! That was then this is now, so you can't see where circumstances change and a change in course could be called for? So let me see, if you run into a wall you would keep running into it hoping that stupid wall would open up and let you through. When if you looked to your right you would see a doorway, it's sad.
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  LiamBeanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Tried what? We are charter members. You don't think that gives us some sort of advantage? Whether you like it or not we sell to the world and the world sells to us. And because of our charter membership we have the distinct ability to veto what we don't like.
  
  And without our charter membership in the UN what we have to say to the world is diminished.
  
  There is one thing you don't quite understand.
  
  Many may hate America, but oddly those very same people love Americans. Our government scares people, but our people are respected and cherished around the world. See the difference?
  
  We are generous, the first to donate when there's trouble, and the first to volunteer help when help is needed, whether that help be personnel, hardware, or cash.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Your points are well made and well taken. I know we trade and I know some of our good friends put tarrifs on our goods to protect their own industries and are given favored trade status with us. We are too generous and sometimes we have to put our interests first. We want health care reform and all Americans are entitled to be free of fear of illness but, we can't have it all we can't afford to support the world and do whats good for Americans. The bubble will burst then it will all be for naught because we'll be in survival mode.
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  LiamBeanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not sure where you get the idea that some bubble will burst and "that's it for us." Do I think that it's absolutely important that we stay in the U.N.? Not really.
  
  But we are better off keeping our hand in than not.
  
  I do think the U.S. government could stop supporting other nations and it wouldn't make one damned bit of difference because our citizens would take up the slack...just because we give a damn.
  
  Finally, whatever we do will matter to the world. After all our citizens are former citizens of every country on earth.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  We have to lose that"we are the world" thing. If you are referring to Israel go over the speaches at the UN and see who are our real allies.
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  LiamBeanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  This isn't a damned Coke commercial. We quite literally ARE the world. And I wasn't referring to Israel.
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  Sue Adamsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Pardon? What about the rest of the world?
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  Sue Adamsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You already are
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  Vladimir Uhriposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  After WWII UN was founded bu US and Soviet communists. All secretaries were socialists but all under-secreataries were Soviets. All Russian names.
  They decided we would not have a wars but will negotiate. Since their existence were more wars than in history before.
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ryankettposted 15 years ago
Why does the US give $5bn to the UN?

To become one of only 5 veto-wielding permanent members, alongside China, Russia, UK and France?

It would be a poor strategic decision for the USA to pull out, as the 5 members are effectively the 'Nuclear Nations'.

$5bn is cheap when considering the inevitable underlying strategic and political interests that it protects.

Can I put this forward as a candidate for stupid question of the day, or do you want to try and beat it? I wouldn't bother, nobody else is going to beat you.
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  lostgirlscatposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You're quite correct in your assessment of why the U.S. cannot just summarily pull out of the U.N., but a little sympathy at
  peoples outrage at their total incompetence and ineffectiveness is not out of order.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The majority of people wanting the US to stay a member of the UN are not US citizens, maybe your stance in the world would change? Its not a stupid question to ask why we continue to be the only Country that deems it necessary to fund this group of thugs at the highest percentage!
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Sasha Sposted 15 years ago
America contributes something like 22% of the UN's annual budget.

America recieves somewhere in the region of 25% of the UN's contracts.

It's not some charitable donation.
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The U.S. does not contribute all that is stated. When medicine is donated by the U.S. it is not our country donating it. Pharma companies (which most of our people say are heartless, donate the medicine to the U.S.)donate the meds, and the U.S. gets all the credit. Think, does the government produce commodities that it donates. Yes, hate the Big Companies, they save millions of lives.
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Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago
Did the US pay all that they owed to the UN yet?
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The question should be Why do they think we owe them anything? We are the only Country that provides them funding at the highest %!
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  Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I guess you missed this:
  
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It does not interest me! The US should get out now! We do not need to be a party to the constant whining and antisemitism flowing from the member nations! Was the 65 Million repaid to the US for the construction of the UN building? That 22% is the ceiling that any Nation is required to give and ONLY the US gives it!
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  LOL Sounds like a sandbox in kindergarten. Gimme my blocks back. NOOOOOOOOW!
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Are we counting everything the US pays or the dues they say we owe. The US takes more taxpayer money for foriegn aid than any country has ever or ever will contribute. Don't ever question who we are you need to examine your countries policy for taking in suspected terrorists then setting them loose pending an imigration hearing. We need the wall along the northern border as well as the southern. Shame on you!!!!
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  Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The operative word being suspected...
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That is all you took from his post?
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  Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm sorry, in Canada we believe that people are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law...
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Really? wow a novel approach. Is the US holding "suspected" terrorists in this country without benefit of a trial?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Is that before or after they blow something up? I hope you have the privlage of explaining why you felt a terrorists rights were more important than someones Mom or Dad. I suppose you release child molesters and murderers as well that would be perfectly progressive. Let them get in a few more victems before they make it to trial. Thats why America needs to close it's borders.
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  LiamBeanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That excludes Glenn Beck right?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You and that witches brew of liberal looney tunes need to come correct on this issue. If one of these bonehead moves leads to an attack on the US it will create real problems in any civil relations. Why would you even take that chance?
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  Make Moneyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  "In June 2009, the President requested that Congress pay the full amount the U.S. will owe the UN in his Fiscal Year 2010 budget request.
  
  U.S. Debt to the United Nations
  
  United States debt to the United Nations, in both the regular and peacekeeping budgets, exceeded $1.5 billion at the start of 2009. By far, the largest amount of debt is for peacekeeping, which is more than $1.3 billion. These arrears make the United States the largest debtor to the United Nations and threaten its ability to leverage the international community toward achieving key U.S. national security priorities."
  
  Source
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  Flightkeeperposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  We shouldn't give any money until the UN's books are audited. That place is very corrupt.
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  Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Have all the foreign countries paid their parking tickets and other monies they owe NYC? How much do you think we should give? Please include land, parking and anything else you can think of.
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BristolBoyposted 15 years ago
America's light is fading relative to many other countries (China, India, Brazil etc) as it is and leaving the UN will just hasten this (for a start it is harder to export or import any item from/into the UK from/to a country that is not part of the UN).
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm pretty sure we would be ok
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A Texanposted 15 years ago
I see you have edited your post so do ya or don't ya?
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R P Chapmanposted 15 years ago
I feel a sudden urge to play the banjo!
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  Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tqxzWdKKu8
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And your point is?
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol
  
  I find some brilliant political commentary coming from our fellow countrymen here. I really really do.
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LiamBeanposted 15 years ago
Hmmm.

The nation was formed in 1779. The revolution was declared in 1776. Common mistake.
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  LiamBeanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sheeze. I'm replying to myself.
  
  The constitution was adopted by all states on September 17, 1787. That means the nation is two hundred twenty two years old.
  
  We both got it wrong.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well we celebrated the bicentennial in 1976 so we are going by the date of Declaration of Independence, seems logical to me.
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  LiamBeanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  We weren't a country until we won the war* and got all the states to ratify the constitution. Certainly the declaration of independence was important, but one followed the other.
  
  And sure I celebrate that day too.
  
  * With a little help from 'cheese eating surrender monkeys.'
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm the sure the King of England did not think we were a sovereign nation on July 4th 1776, but our founding Fathers did! The United States celebrates its birth-date on July 4th every year, so who are we to second guess those great men? I know you have a point but I will not cede my position, its the Rebel in me!
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  LiamBeanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You spoke to the founding fathers? Wow! Got that time machine running do you?
  
  So their going to all that work to craft a constitution was what; for fun? Man I really have sooooo much to learn.
  
  Don't cede it. You are wrong, but flail away anyhow. It's fun to watch.
  
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Whatever you say, sure don't remember a bicentennial in 1987! But all the documents must cement your position, huh?
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Flightkeeperposted 15 years ago
The UN was a grand experiment but sadly it is a failure. I agree, the US should not be part of it. The UN can keep going without the US and our money since it's devaluating so much. It can easily relocate to Brussels.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Do you really hate the Belgums that much?
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  Flightkeeperposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  LOL! I just thought that the EU and the UN kind of belong together because they both seem so contrived to me.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ah! Looks and brains thats a dangerous combination! I couldn't agree more!
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mintinfoposted 15 years ago
Differing opinions lead to conflict as is obvious here. Now since man has the ability to rationalize we somewhere along the line of our existence have decided to live civil to insure mankind's survival. We formed a unity of nations of which the self appointed "morally just" host and regulate. Therefore it is only fitting that those nations that are the wealthiest and stand to gain the most from this unity contribute the most to its stability.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well I don't see why we can't unappoint ourselves and wish them the best. We are the one country that doesn't need the worlds blessing and we wouldn't get it anyway!
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  Flightkeeperposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Host and regulate what? Basically the UN has become a place that somewhat gives thugs and dictators a cover of respectability by letting them be members. The other things is that the US is already so unpopular that these thugs and dictators can capitalize on it by declaring their demands and when denied they can cry victim to US imperialism.
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  LiamBeanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The UN is a model of the U.S. Don't you get that?
  
  Sure thugs and miscreants get to speak there. The same thing happens here. Everyone gets a say...whether everyone likes it or not.
  
  We have people on the air here all the time who are diametrically opposed to one another. Yet, they all get to speak. Bill O'Reilly, Keith Olbermann, Glenn Beck, Rachael Maddow...they all get to talk...like it or not.
  
  This is what we are all about. We get to discuss and disagree and it's great!
  
  How many nations have become democracies since the U.N. was formed?
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  Flightkeeperposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You're going to have to explain that more. The UN is not a model of the US. It is not at all structured in a similar way. And what do you mean thugs and miscreants speak here? Are you talking about our legislative body? I hope not. There are some that have misused their position in order to get rich but as far as I know they haven't behaved like dictators and mass murderers.
  
  Also, I don't see the parallel between the talking heads and people like Amawhatshisface. The talking heads are not "elected" leaders.
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  LiamBeanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Read back and follow the thread from the beginning.
  
  So what pray tell IS the U.N. modeled after. Soviet Russia? A British Monarchy? It's parliamentary, which is what the U.S. is modeled after.
  
  Didn't they teach history where you went to school?
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  Flightkeeperposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  There's no need to be snarky just because I disagree with you. The UN was not modeled to function like a country the way the US does or Soviet Russia was. It was created on the hope that it would prevent future world wars by creating a forum where representatives from each country can try to settle their differences through diplomacy rather than through war. It really functions as a club, unfortunately the membership requirements are very substandard.
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  LiamBeanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm being snarky because you don't know what you are talking about. Read some history.
  
  By the way; has there been another world war since the U.N. was created? If there has I'd be surprised as I didn't hear about it.
  
  But that's not an indication to you that it's WORKING?
  
  You said: "It was created on the hope that it would prevent future world wars by creating a forum where representative from other countries can try to settle their differences through diplomacy rather than through war."
  
  How much different is that (other than the lack of war) than what Republicans and Democrats do in the senate every day? Are they not trying to settle differences?
  
  I don't think it's a club, but do agree that the membership requirements suck. But do you really think we'd have fewer wars if those people weren't let in? I don't.
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  Flightkeeperposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think you're snarky because you're so full of yourself. And the creation of the UN hasn't prevented wars from happening so no the UN is not working. Hellooooo! Vietnam War, Iran-Iraq War, China annexing Tibet, Soviet Union attacking Afghanistan, Iraq invading Kuwait which started the Gulf War, then Gulf War Part 2, the US invading Iraq and Afghanistan, etc.
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  LiamBeanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Whatever. Feel better?
  
  Nice dodge. I said WORLD WAR!!! Not any war.
  
  This is why I'm snarky. Reading for comprehension problems or do you just need to grow a brain?
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  Flightkeeperposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  This is why you need to learn to read. I didn't say world war, I said prevent war when I outlined what the UNs purpose was. Please get over yourself.
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  LiamBeanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Please get with the program. I said WORLD WAR and so did you!
  
  Here's what you said: "It was created on the hope that it would prevent future world wars by creating a forum where representative from other countries can try to settle their differences through diplomacy rather than through war.
  
  If you want to keep changing the points in the discussion get used to my snarkiness. And please, grow a brain.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You miss the point, they give despots, tyrants and dictators a stage. Which in their circle of friends gives them credibility and hero status to come to America and stand up to the Americans. We don't need this.
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  LiamBeanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  If the despots, tyrants, and dictators are running a country of course they do. As to credibility I don't know. When one is afraid of getting shot between the eyes for disagreeing with a leader one does not hear a lot of disagreement.
  
  Maybe if the building wasn't in NY? An island somewhere set up just for the U.N.
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sannyasinmanposted 15 years ago
If the USA were to leave the UN, the greatest club on earth, (which it will never do anyway), it would lose its status as a Superpower even more rapidly than it is already doing.
Imagine the USD no longer as the worlds reserve currency and imagine China, Brasil and India as the new super-rich world superpowers. This is already happening.
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  LiamBeanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  China is becoming the midget with the big right arm. And WE owe THEM money. Lots of it.
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  sannyasinmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  There are already moves afoot to drop the USD and install the YUAN as the worlds reserve currency, although the EURO makes more sense, and is a bit more familiar.
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  Flightkeeperposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Why should the US cling to the position of superpower since it is as you say declining? Why shouldn't the new up and coming currencies take our place and have their money as the reserve currency. You talk like that's a bad thing. I would think most people would prefer it now that the US is not as imperialistic as before.
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  sannyasinmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It's all about power and world influence. Nobody in power ever relishes a diminishing of power, and rarely lets go of it without a fight. Why do you say that the US is less imperialistic. I don't see any evidence of this.
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  Flightkeeperposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well that's an assumption on your part that no one let's go without a fight. I'm hoping that we do fade away and let the Chinese, Indians, and the Brazilians get a crack at it. I refer to being less imperialistic once those countries are on the rise.
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  sannyasinmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well good for you! How refreshing to hear an American say that it's time to let someone else have a go at dominating the world. I agree with you in fact. Especially if Brasil were to become the dominant player. . .
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  But no do-overs. When Iran gets nukes and threatens Europe remember their on their own. Let Brazil handle it.
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  Flightkeeperposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Not having to handle it is a huge plus.
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  Flightkeeperposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think most Americans would agree. As a group we're not really well suited for the global thing. I actually think we were better off as a country before we got engage in the World Wars.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  We could take any country we want including China and Russia. What country has America taken(in modern times) and what country do we covent?
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  sannyasinmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  We are not talking about children fighting in a playground here.
  Let's invert the question. In what country does the US not have a military base? On what country in the world does the US not collect intelligence? On what country in the world does the US not spy with its satellites?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And we pay to use them and we have to pay civilians to work on them. They don't just let us use them, we pay England and Germany both for the bases we maintain. I believe our technology is on the verge of ending that rip-off! So why not pull out? Our Bombers and missles can reach any country on this planet we don't have to cow to them.
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  sannyasinmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The US will not pull out from its bases around the world for the same reason that it will not pull out of the UN. The game is called "world dominance", and the US has until now been winning, but all that is about to change.
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  Flightkeeperposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Actually, it was during the Bush Administration when Cheney had decided to start closing some bases in Europe. I think more of that will happen under Obama.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  More power to them I'm sure we'd make a great large version of Switzerland. We can protect our country and we need to refresh the worlds memory of what we can do if bothered.
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  sannyasinmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The major difference between the two countries is that Switzerland has no world political aspirations whatsoever - there is not even a full time army. Is the US prepared to follow suit?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Keep the army, screw the world. Let them know we won't play by any rules if were attacked.
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  sannyasinmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It is interesting to note that, for a country which spends so much on, and it so obsessed with, defense, the US has never in fact ever been attacked or invaded by any foreign power, on its soil. Unlike most European and many Asian countries who know all too well what being attacked and invaded really means, and even more curious, these are the countries which vehemently oppose the accumulation of nuclear weapons. If you have ever looked at pictures of Hiroshima after tha bomb,, you would surely never even utter the phrase "nuke 'em" or anything which implies the same thing.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I guess the British don't count? War of 1812? ever hear of it? So we should get rid of our weapons because we have never been invaded? I really don't have any sympathy for Japan or its citizens who were bombed, just don't care!
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  Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The War of 1812 when the US tried to take over Canada but failed?
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Or when the Canadians allowed the British to invade through their territory? I don't know I wasn't there!
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  Make Moneyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Canada was a British colony in 1812 and the US invaded Canada.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  As usual you blurt out the part that you feel suits your position. THE BRITISH, NOT THE CANADIANS, ATTACKED AND SACKED WASHINGTON D.C.. But lets not let the facts get in the way of a good attempt at looking silly.
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  Make Moneyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You are getting hilarious sneak. That is not what started the war of 1812 though. Washington was not sacked by the British until August 1814 and it was in retaliation for the looting of York, Upper Canada and the burning down of the Parliament Buildings of Upper Canada (Source). But that was a long time ago sneak.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I have for the sake of speed used Wikipedia also, but its not the most credible source out there. I am not saying that what I have read in other places dispute this site just pointing out it is not trusted bu many!
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  Make Moneyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Trust me, that part is true, my ancestor were living in Upper Canada at the time.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well I'm abit of a history buff and I beg to disagree, we have been attacked by England in 1812 and they Burnt Washington to the ground. During the war with Mexico prior to the civil war. During the Mexican revolution numerous times. WWII Hawaii, Midway wre attacked, Guam and Alaska were attacked and occupied. The Philipines were attacked and occupied. Our consulates have been attacked around the world and New York.
  
  I'm quite familiar with our use of nuclear weapons and had we not considering the extreme measures the Japanese employed we would have suffered huge losses trying to occupy Japan. The US has exercised extreme patients while little piss-ant groups take pot-shots at us. We may not allways get it right but were a helluva-alot better then the alternative. If we're attacked again by an islamic group I feel we have to hurt them so bad they'll never do it again. I would suggest melting both mecca and medina to let them know we are serious.
  
  They know who we are and what we have, as I've said before, if you pull the tigers tail and you get mauled is it the tigers fault or the one who pulled his tail?
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  LiamBeanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Technically Hawaii wasn't a state when attacked. Consulates are considered the property of the country they belong to so that's true. I also think Truman did the right thing in dropping "the bomb" in Japan. They were literally training women and children to fight to the death.
  
  Melting Mecca or Medina would certainly insure a never ending fight with every adherent of Islam on the planet so that's just plain stupid. And whether you believe it or not there are plenty or people who worship Islam who are also on our side.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Who? If they are so loyal to what they believe that they would fight us forever, what happened to our team? Wheres the outrage? Iran gets nukes this will sure be a safer world! They attacked us! They attacked us! The only way we can possibly get a handle on this is for them to turn over the bad guys! If they don't point them out there's no way we will ever know who were fighting. They don't wear uniforms so islamics are going to have to get the job done and they are not. So either we teach them what terror really is or we can do it your way and take the path of appeasement since it has a great track record.
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  LiamBeanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ever hear of Turkey? We flew an unbelievable number of missions out of their bases during Desert Storm. How about Saudi Arabia? They helped us too. What about Kuwait and Qatar? All of those are Islamic countries.
  
  Iran attacked us? When?
  
  It is really really important to go after the right people when retaliating. If you don't you end up with more enemies than you started with.
  
  By the way, how is Osama bin Ladin these days? Still making speeches from a cave?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It took alot of arm twisting to get what we needed it wasn't like they said ,"any way we can help."
  
  You don't think they had anything to do with the war in iraq, please! What about our embassy? How soon we forget!
  
  If there are so many on our side where are the bad guys? They haven't been pointed out or handed over by our friends. You need to work on your appeasement plan or give a logical argument for a realistic plan to solve the problem. Well what is it?
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  sannyasinmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Will you feel the same when you are no longer the tiger? It can't be far away now . . AND . . .I am so glad that you are not President of the USA or we'd all go up in flames. Goodbye Mother Earth.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Why? You can't behave? We'd need to take you out too? Are you a colaborator to murder? When pansies like you are the cat it will only be a kitten and then you can give it all away. Let me ask, would you fight for anything? Is anything worth preserving? Is there any part of our Judeo-Christian values worth keeping?
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Judeo-Christian? Obviously not!
  
  Ooops, it's not a religion forum?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  All right Misha, I'm an American and I declare........I'll say what ever I want to! And all the liberal and euro "surender-monkeys" can bite meeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!( and Canadians)
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  sannyasinmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  When all you have is a hammer, everything begins to look like a nail. Think about it.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hammer always beats a nail! Think about that!
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  sannyasinmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No, that's not it. You didn't think about it long enough. Try again.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I have never hit a hammer with a nail, maybe you should think about it more
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  sannyasinmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  This famous quotation can be applied to many situations, but in your case, it means that if you are full of aggression, then you will always find someone to fight (whether they are your enemy or not).
  This is my final word on this particular thread.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Aggression is not always a bad thing, what solves the Worlds problems, diplomacy? That didn't work too well for Chamberlin did it?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You need a hammer when dealing with people on the same level as a door nail. What would you fight for? C'mon show us your not just a coward with a big mouth.
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  sannyasinmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  This famous quotation can be applied to many situations, but in your case, it means that if you are full of aggression, then you will always find someone to fight (whether they are your enemy or not).
  This is my final word on this particular thread.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you God.
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  BristolBoyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The USD is already well on the way to no longer being the world's reserve currency. At the moment Chinese, Indian etc currencies are not replacing the dollar that much though, and foreign countries are turning to the Euro amongst other currencies. In fact, it is felt that the Euro will become the global reserve currency. Whilst at the present time the Eurozone is not the world's largest economy, it would be were the Eurozone to expand to include all of the countries in the EU.
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  sannyasinmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Not sure exactly how they calculate it, but according to Wikipedia, The Eurozone has already overtaken the US in terms of GDP. It will be very interesting to see the league table for 2009.
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co … nominal%29
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I am predicting that Spain will be the new world super power!
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A Texanposted 15 years ago
Yes I have been out of the US many times, whats your point? I did not want to live in the places I went, Germany,France,and a few days in Italy. I have to admit of all the places in Europe Italy was the most pleasant! The other places in this World I have gone was at time of war or something similar, those places just sucked for obvious reasons!

In response to this
"I don't actually live in the US, never have and never will although I know it well because my brother lives in California and my sister in Boston. Have you ever been outside the US?"
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mintinfoposted 15 years ago
It is all a capitalist Chess Game for those who know how to play. Dictators are important for strategic moves and we created most for that purpose. There are capitalist dictators and socialist dictators. Pay little attention to the rhetoric and track the money flow. Our corporations flourish in either.
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Flightkeeperposted 15 years ago
Oops, LOL! I meant war. It's kind of hard on everyone to keep having world wars.
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Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago
See, I would like to hear what the thugs and dictators say so that I can hear for myself that they are ridiculous and/or dangerous.

I mean Quaddafi spoke for 1 1/2 hours yesterday...everyone fell asleep...

Most of the UN walked out when the President of Iran spoke...

Just because the opposition is allowed to talk does not mean they are given a free ride in the world.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What are you proposing to keep them in check after N.Korea and Iran get nukes? If you're wrong you put future in the hands of lunatics. Do you really feel we're the worst choice or is it you just want the world to be a big commune?
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  LiamBeanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yup. Keep your friends close; your enemies closer.
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Bibowenposted 15 years ago
As for the concern that we need to keep an eye on the nuclear powers, we can do that without the UN--it's called espionage. As for the concern that international relationships will break down, we can do without the UN there also. Try diplomacy.

The UN does not reflect American values. Several years ago, the US got tossed off the Human Rights Commission while leaving countries like Cuba and Zimbabwe on it!

The UN continues to ask for more American money. A quarter on the dollar apparently is not enough (and that does not account for special events like peacekeeping missions in which the USA funds at a higher percentage). Secretary Generals have regularly called for the direct taxation of American citizens.

The UN is for the mediocre, anti-Semite, and financially incompetent socialist. Other than that, it's not so bad.

The UN is a Cold War relic. Given how globalists fawn all over the thing, we could end the UN, dedicate a museum to its history, and it would make a lot more money for world peace than the UN sqanders each year.

Tex, you might sell your position if you could get creative about what to do with UN Headqarters if we could sell it off.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Low income housing!
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A Texanposted 15 years ago
You haven't left yet?
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Mishaposted 15 years ago
Can you read my previous post?
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Eaglekiwiposted 15 years ago
Time to brush up on ya Chinese then.

Xìng huì!
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Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago
The War of 1812

http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.com/ … RTA0008442

The US declared war and attacked first.

It's always interesting how a war is seen from different sides
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah that is strange especially since your source is thecanadianencyclopedia
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  Make Moneyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well here's some more sources that say the same. I'm sure there will be a US source amongst them. Wikipedia is from the US isn't it. Here's a quote from it, "There were several immediate stated causes for the U.S. declaration of war."
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Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago
I could live in Australia if it's wasn't for the insects and scary things
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  *waiting for an Assuie to come and debunk the myths*
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Flightkeeperposted 15 years ago
Australia's baby-stealing dingos are enought to keep me away.
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sooner than laterposted 15 years ago
Man- this is the best question and i missed it. We should have been out of the UN 10 years ago... make it 15.
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Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago
Where else should I have gotten it? I'm sure you got your information from an American encyclopedia or American text books.

Like I said, each side of a war sees things differently.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thats a good point.
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lamparposted 15 years ago
US gave 5 billions to UN, that is refreshing news!! I suppose they found something really big in Texas oil well and southern gulf coast. Feel good to be generous again, lol!
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Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years ago
Tex,

You can't win with this brain washed group. Many are shameless and forget how America has saved the world many times. I would bet the people on this Forum have done well financially compared to the poverty line.

Many suffer from the guilt our government now lays on us. When they are effected, second thoughts may prevail.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't even try to win what would be the point?
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livelongerposted 15 years ago
If the non-Americans are puzzled by some of the discordant American voices vis a vis the UN and rest of world, take a look at this poll.

Basically people were asked if they had a favorable or unfavorable view of New York, San Francisco, France and Europe.

The percentages saying favorable and unfavorable for each was strikingly similar. So basically you look favorably of things outside your tiny little corner of the world, or you don't.

Northeasterners & Westerners were the most likely to be positive, Midwesterners a bit less so, and the Southerners the lowest.

This may explain why about 2/3 of Americans are open to what other regions of the country/world can offer and teach us, and 1/3 are basically insular xenophobes.
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  Flightkeeperposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Don't you think it might be misleading? All those places are fairly liberal. What if the list was different like, Houston, Oklahoma City, Switzerland, and Australia?
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A Texanposted 15 years ago
What was Patton's statement "I would rather have the German army in front of me than a French division behind me"
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  Make Moneyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That's funny. A German officer that was captured by Canadians during WWII was quoted as saying something like this, "when the Canadian cannons go off the Germans duck, when the German canons go off the Canadians duck and when the US canons go off everyone ducks".
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  If you are a Canadian then I won't tell you what many of my fellow Marines and soldiers call y'all. Unless you just want to know.
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  Make Moneyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hey WWII was a long time ago too. Yeah I would be interested. I think our Canadian soldiers in Afghanistan should know who they are fighting beside.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Are they fighting beside them? I am talking about my era of Marine, and its not a nice thing to say about them. I won't repeat it.
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Make Moneyposted 15 years ago
Well why would you mention it to start with then? I hope some of our Canadian troops in Afghanistan end up reading this, they might not feel so devoted to their cause.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Are they devoted to it now? If they read this and drop rifles because of it then they are exactly what has been said of them!
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Make Moneyposted 15 years ago
You couldn't expect much more than that from the hate state. I had enough of you. Go play your banjo.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Running away? Ahhh it is true!
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earnestshubposted 15 years ago
Petty! Name calling, partisan thinking, this is not what America needs. America looks after it's own interests as far as the rest of the world is concerned and 2 world wars have made it rich.

Now wars will only make a few rich,
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Who is calling names? World Wars where we came to the defense of Countries who despise us simply because we have been sucessful.
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Make Moneyposted 15 years ago
Da, di di, di di, di di, da

That deserves the Dueling Banjos again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tqxzWdKKu8
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That's a great song, thanks for the link.
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egivposted 15 years ago
The premise for this thread is an embarrassment to Americans. I don't blame the rest of the world for thinking we are idiots.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sure is ain't it? And strong Americans like you who CARE what whiny nations think make me proud!
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It is. I'm happy that some are calling a spade a spade.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Racist!
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  This, I'd point out, is not a 'personal attack,' (possibly) under Hubpages TOS. However, it most definitely is defamation under US law.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sue
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I am almost certain you have been sued in your lifetime.
  
  As for me, I'll just let you embarrass yourself further. Evidently, you do not have the inner compass to realize how you sound and appear to others. You should be ashamed. Instead, you glory in calling people names. Something is definitely wrong.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I didn't call you any names I called the statement racist! Couldn't care less what people think, and yes I have been sued 3 times for violation of suspects civil rights and was cleared 3 times! Happens to cops all the time
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  How many people have you called racist? How soon you forget
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Will Apseposted 15 years ago
You should definitely try some deep breathing exercises Texan and maybe an 'OM' or two in the mornings. Then say the UN is not going to get me, the UN is not going to get me, the UN is not going to get me... Several times, while concentrating on that diaphragm,

You will feel much better.
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I feel great! Its game day
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A Texanposted 15 years ago
"Clearly our expression to call a spade a spade was very well established long before the word spade had any racial sense. However, today the word does have a racial sense. If the expression is assumed to be offensive, it should be used with caution even if there's no real basis for the assumption. This is not an unusual event. The word bloody, for example, does not derive from a profane oath such as "by our lady," but that's what people thought, and the word was considered quite offensive. The incorrect etymological assumption did not change the word's offensiveness. Few people today would object to call a spade a spade, but some people might, and one should at the very least be aware of that."
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