Once again us and them huh? You seem hell bent on creating the deepest divide you can with your assessment of situations that could use a little thought.
Do I think it was racist? No! But by you going into your typical tyrade about us and them you don't help.
You just don't get it do you. The greatest thing we can hand the politicians of this country is a divided electorate. Then they have free will to do whatever the lobbyist want. I can guarantee that the lobbyists are not duplicitous in their agendas.
So we should come together under the Liberal agenda or the Conservative agenda? It is us vs them thats what you don't seem to get, Obama is not going to put forth policies that I want just ones you want.
How do you know what I want? You seem to think because I may have a few thoughts that seemingly are in line with Obama I am therefore a liberal and thus the enemy. I don't feel constrained to think one way or the other based on the labels given me by someone. You don't know how many times I agree with some of your views.
What we have to do is get a REPRESENTATIVE government of the people and not BIG BUSINESS. If you think your conservative buddies in congress represent you you are sadly mistaken my friend.
Obama does not run us we run him. If you vote against him and replace him based on his performance or failures you will get a lot farther than the us against them syndrome. Doing it the way you are with division only strengthens them.
I detect racism on how it was described and I personally think it is ridiculous! People need to grow up if they are going to comment they should not portray him as the Joker with red lipstick to me it is racist and I am certainy not ashamed to say it all.
Sounds like the feeling is that portraying the Prez as the Joker was racist. Not sure how that plays out, unless the viewpoint is that the Joker's extreme makeup is somehow a version of the old blackface makeup (only in reverse).
Seems more like being portrayed as the Joker would be an insult to his sanity rather than his race, though--since the Joker was all crazy and a yard wide.
The banner, unfurled within the past few days, depicts Obama as Heath Ledger's grotesque Joker character from "The Dark Knight." The president is shown with smeared red lipstick, a white face and darkened eyes. The word "socialism" is spelled out below the caricature.
The story is not racist it was the banner that I percieved to be a racial remark they could have used any other character, interesting how they used the joker, would they have used the same character on Bush? I don't think so but as you know it is only my opinion and I believe there were sublimal racial thoughts when they used the joker.
When? So what is your exact perception on this matter since you reside in the state of Texas? So you are believing that seemingly since they used it on Bush it is o.k. to use it on Obama? They couldn't think of any other character to use?
I have the picture of Bush as the joker I just don't know how to load it into the forum post. What does me living in Texas have to do with anything? And yes they used it on Bush so you can use it for Obama! He is the President isn't he? Or is he the Black President?
Last time I checked he was the President and you living in Texas honestly doesn't have anything to do with it, one would think they would be a little more creative and not use the same character twice.
Are you going to start picking to? The president is shown with smeared red lipstick, a white face and darkened eyes. The word "socialism" is spelled out below the caricature. my goodness I am entitled to my opinion I am not trying to debate someone on there own perception. smeared lipstick, white face and darkened eyes? I personally do not care for that perception it reminded me of something right out of the 30's. I pictured the racial undertones didn't you? What is your perception? My opinion is my own ,A Texan asked,"More Racism?" I was not going to defend one white man who was a part of my own race for his lack of taste when portraying the President. How would a white man feel if a black man held up a sign portraying there white leader was a Nazi? Our entire white race would want to lynch him wouldn't they?
I am not picking I was just confused as to what you thought was racist. If it is your opinion that it is thats ok, I am just trying to understand how its racist. You said that Bush was not portrayed this way when in fact he was, I think its more of a "something ain't right with you" thing. If anybody can tell me how to post an image here I would appreciate it.
I don't know... I don't think its right whoever did it, but I do remember Rush Limbaugh talking about the person who paraded in a conservative rally with an "obama/nazi" sign, and then went inside the nearby building and began to hand out literature for the Senator whose office was there... the democrat Senator. Like I said, I think its wrong, but I wonder how much of this is fueled by the left's desire to take away the attention from the real arguments against Obama's policy.
I wouldn't say it was silly. He was expressing his annoyance at the idea that just because he's white that means he's racist. And the reaction to one group constantly insisting that it is so engenders anger with that group. Not racism, perhaps, but I can see the anger that might follow.
Why do you have to attack? is it ego? You just have to prove an idiot is an idiot?
It Makes no sense, You rail against the wind like that and wear yourself out, just waste your energy against the stupidity of the person calling out the name.
Think first, if that person has no indians they can't be chief!
Explain you wll not be baited into ignorance like this, if they have nothing to offer, then please drop the race card, it is a bankrupt card! Then be done posting in thier thread. Dead white space on a blog hurts! Think! Unite togeather cary the strength of many.
It was not my intention to attack you and I'm sorry you took it that way. But I do think that you missed the point the original poster was trying to express - hence, my attempt at explanation. I believe we agree in the main and your above points are well taken.
I do still believe that it is necessary to not let those off the hook who attempt to spread lies.
I do not think that you are attacking me at all, I meant why attack those people, yes it would be nice to shut them down, but just railing against the voice gives them purpose to keep it up. If others see they are playing the card, ban togeather and ignore the Hub! Use power and affective strength, win it out right. Like that is what I meant. See if their hubs stay empty, and the questions stay un-answerd, then.... they are sensord by comon opinion, and man that hurts! No need to loose your energy over a looser!
You keep writing, there was no attack at all, your fine
When one ex-president says racism is motivating SOME conservatives (the loudmouth protestors who can't manage to get their facts straight), and you see the type of reaction among a very large swathe of conservatives against all Democrats because of this, well, then I would classify that as an overreaction.
I don't think racism is the biggest problem with the Right these days. It is still a big problem with the former Dixiecrats in the Deep South and Appalachia (and to ignore that is really stupid).
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