I saw this on my CNN updates on Facebook. I quickly turned on CNN, but haven't heard any new information. I doubt it's terrorists, but who knows? There's so many small 'American based' terror cells now a days. What is it now, 7 dead? This is horrible!
2 9mm with 15 round clips....Thats thirty. You would normally have two clips for a hand gun. That could be up to 60 rounds. If it was the Beretta M-9/9mm...standard for the Army, one could easily empty two clips in a matter of minutes.
Haha..yeah, he didn't say much and stumbled over his words. Not sure if he was troubled with it or was in a rush. But he only spoke for about 4 or 5 minutes and just offered condolescences and a full investigation.
You ever been on a military base? Most buildings that are not residences are cinder-block or tilt-up concrete wall. Bullets bounce off of that stuff. One of the handguns held a twenty round clip, no mention of the other.
Now add to hard surfaces, a large magazine, and a crowd of unarmed soldiers and you've got the potential for mayhem.
Yeah, that's weird. And I just made a forum post yesterday about how the Pentagon said 75% of 17 to 24yo's are unfit to join the military because they are overweight, sick or too "dumb" (I'm not making that up).
Additional schooling is required to be an officer, so when they take a drop out they put them through the equivalent of two years of schooling/college.
I know this because I was/am a drop out -- left HS early to go to college. Was accepted, enrolled and had started taking classes, before I was informed that I needed a Good Enough Diploma (GED). Any way, I got calls right and left because of my ASFB scores... when I told them I was a drop out they all promised me it was no problem and then proceeded with the spiel that officers make more money.
Tim, if it were one guy involved I might agree "shame on you" (sort of). It's more than one guy. That would seem to indicate that it wasn't a matter of some crazy person going berserk and shooting wildly. We can't guess right now, of course; but I think one guy could either be a run-of-the-mill crazy or a terrorist crazy. More than one seems to rule out the "one-nut" theory. The individual named so far was not a Southern Baptist or Catholic, by the way. He did recently convert to a religion, which suggests he's had religion on his mind.
I think it will - and on top of it all a whole lot of people are disgusted and shocked that Obama didn't address the issue without first seeming "jovial" (other people's words, not mine) about whatever else it was he was addressing before he ever got to talking about the shootings. Based on what I'm hearing (so much, so soon) I can't help but think this is going to turn into a big problem for Obama, himself, as well. I don't think I'm alone (or particularly insightful) to say that I sense a big, national, mess coming on.
he says, almost halfway through, that his "immediate thoughts and prayers are with the wounded and the families of the fallen and the soldiers at Ft. Hood". if one of my loved ones was killed or hurt i would have been deeply offended.
he should have saved the accolades for AFTERWARDS. :p
I don't think the people I'm hearing who are anger out Obama's demeanor are thinking in terms of politics. They're angry that he didn't appear to honor the wounded and dead military people; and I think their anger on behalf of those wounded and dead is, in its own way, a wish to honor them.
Some people's instinct is to light candles to honor victims. Others is to speak up about what they perceive as lack of respect for the victims. I think a lot of people are concerned that there's the possibility this was an act of terrorism within the military base. Not to disregard the victims by any means, but if it was an act against the US military from within that brings a whole, separate, set of concerns that become a concern for everyone. The way I see it, better to address the concerns than to act as if there's no possibility they could be valid. That, too, in its own way is also honoring the victims.
I suppose there's always the chance this one guy just didn't want to get shipped off to Iraq or Afghanistan. Whether or not the other two guys were released, there could be the chance that they got together, got themselves all worked up, and planned a shooting. Birds of a feather (and nuts of a feather) do tend to stick together. Maybe it wasn't religion or politics at all - just cowardice?
I can see that - a version of "suicide by cop" sort of thing. Now that we know he is said to have been a psychiatrist, that may not speak well for his own mental health. Birds of a feather don't just stick together, they sometimes go study up on the particular type of feathers they have.
Don't most gang members have a record already? I thought they wouldn't let you in the military with a record? Or are they deciding to become gang members once they are in there? It's such a big place but I'd think the army would have a handle on it. This is probably away from the subject, I just heard them mention it and was curious, it stuck with me as odd.
I know what its called, this was an enlisted man doing it to other enlisted men. Fragging in Vietnam was a way to get rid of incompetent officers, I have been tempted to do it myself! The case I am talking about was terrorism!
Think about this. The Feds could prove this guy was insane, and had no real motive or target. The fact that this happened period is ridiculous. Say you live on the military base, you'd think you're in a very safe place. Especially since it's the largest known base in the world. Where's the secuirty?
This is not feasible. We increased security after 9/11 and it is a logistical nightmare. Especially now with so many being deployed, you’re already doing more with less. You have increased forces at the gates, searching trunks etc. We’ve already gone to civilian security at the gates on many installations. You have to have troops posted at every building entrance. There certainly are not enough Security Forces to do this. They are heavily taxed for deployment. So at a large hospital, like Wilford Hall Medical Center where I was at, you have units within the organization told how many troops they have to cough up for such duties. These units are already strapped too due to deployments. The kind of security you refer to could not be sustained for day-to-day operations.
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