Up to 30 dead/wounded in Ft. Hood, Texas w/2 to 3 shooters

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   TimTurnerposted 16 years ago

   This is scary.  Rest in Peace to all the dead and I hope their families deal with this in the best way they can.
   
   This is really odd having 2 or 3 shooters, wearing military uniforms.  Could this be terrorists??

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   TimTurnerposted 16 years ago

   The main shooting happened at a processing building where soldiers were leaving for Afghanistan and Iraq.
   
   Another shooting is reported to have happened half a mile away at the Post Exchange (PX) where families and soldiers go shopping.
   
   What the heck is going on

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   PabstPenroseposted 16 years ago

   I saw this on my CNN updates on Facebook. I quickly turned on CNN, but haven't heard any new information. I doubt it's terrorists, but who knows? There's so many small 'American based' terror cells now a days. What is it now, 7 dead? This is horrible!

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      TimTurnerposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      Right now, 9 dead and up to 30 injured with reported multiple shootings with multiple gunman wearing military uniforms.
      
      Very odd.

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         PabstPenroseposted 16 years agoin reply to this

         There's over 9,000 civilian workers there though. I'm sure someone could pick up a uniform, some how. Obama's supposed to speak about it soon.

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            TimTurnerposted 16 years agoin reply to this

            Yeah, it's a huge base.  I was actually born there.  My dad was in the Army.
            
            There are 9 schools on base.  The base is bigger than a lot of U.S. cities.

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   Crazdwriterposted 16 years ago

   OMG how horrible! Oh wow I will pray for the families of those who are dead. This is definitely horrible.
   
   What in the world is going on in our world? Why is it so screwed up?

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   TimTurnerposted 16 years ago

   12 dead, up to 30 wounded now.  One gunman was killed.  Another one still on the loose.  And could be a third one.
   
   This is not a random incident.  This was definitely planned.  We just need to figure out who these 2 or 3 people are and who they represent.

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   PabstPenroseposted 16 years ago

   The thing that's the worst it that it happened at a deployment center. People headed over seas, trying to deal with leaving and they get shot at.

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   TimTurnerposted 16 years ago

   Ok both shooters were American soldiers, apparently

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      Crazdwriterposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      Are you serious Tim? oh how sad...very sad....

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   dejajolieposted 16 years ago

   HORRIBLE!

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   lrohnerposted 16 years ago

   They just updated with 12 dead, 31 wounded.

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    TimTurnerposted 16 years ago

    Hmmm...one shooter dead, two other suspects apprehended....All three are U.S. soldiers.
    
    12 dead and 31 injured so far

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    rebekahELLEposted 16 years ago

    it's on all news right now. base is in lockdown.

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    PabstPenroseposted 16 years ago

    Two hand guns found.

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    Crazdwriterposted 16 years ago

    God this is horrible...sickeningly horrible!

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    TimTurnerposted 16 years ago

    Ok Obama has been talking for two minutes and no talk of the shootings.  What is he doing???

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    awareposted 16 years ago

    12 dead 30 injured

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    TimTurnerposted 16 years ago

    A commander on the base said there was only one shooter and he was shot quickly but how did he shoot 43 people so fast?  Makes no sense.
    
    Two others are in custody but he said only one shooter was involved.
    
    Something seems odd because he said he had a handgun not a machine gun.

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       C.J. Wrightposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       2 9mm with 15 round clips....Thats thirty. You would normally have two clips for a hand gun. That could be up to 60 rounds.
       If it was the Beretta M-9/9mm...standard for the Army, one could easily empty two clips in a matter of minutes.

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    awareposted 16 years ago

    it was a graduation ceremony lots of targets . tim you been watching the news ? i just got home and im checking out the latest

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       TimTurnerposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Yeah.  The graduation was in the next building according to CNN and the shooting took place where soldiers were leaving for Afghanistan and Iraq, apparently.

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    Crazdwriterposted 16 years ago

    oh wow...Hey Tim has our dear President said anything yet about the shooting? and yes sarcasm was dripping from 'our dear'

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       TimTurnerposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Haha..yeah, he didn't say much and stumbled over his words.  Not sure if he was troubled with it or was in a rush.  But he only spoke for about 4 or 5 minutes and just offered condolescences and a full investigation.

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          Crazdwriterposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          Wow 4 or 5 minutes on a topic that is HUGE...very sad in my books!

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    PabstPenroseposted 16 years ago

    The one shooter carried two guns, but he would of had to reload several times. There has to be atleast one other shooter.

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       TimTurnerposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Yeah, and the military press guy said the gunman was killed pretty quick.  Doesn't make sense of how he shot 43 people with a handgun and getting killed "quickly."

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          LiamBeanposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          You ever been on a military base? Most buildings that are not residences are cinder-block or tilt-up concrete wall. Bullets bounce off of that stuff. One of the handguns held a twenty round clip, no mention of the other.
          
          Now add to hard surfaces, a large magazine, and a crowd of unarmed soldiers and you've got the potential for mayhem.

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    PabstPenroseposted 16 years ago

    He was originally supposed to be speaking about Native Americans.

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       Crazdwriterposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Still needs to be ready in case ANYTHING happens...has to be felxible and ready to change a speech at a second notice

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    Ivorwenposted 16 years ago

    Have they released the name of the gunman?

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       PabstPenroseposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       They have not.

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       TimTurnerposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       No but he is dead.  Two others are in custody.  They haven't mentioned their race or gender at all.

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    PabstPenroseposted 16 years ago

    "Known gang activity on the base."
    
    That's pathetic.

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       TimTurnerposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Yeah, that's weird.  And I just made a forum post yesterday about how the Pentagon said 75% of 17 to 24yo's are unfit to join the military because they are overweight, sick or too "dumb" (I'm not making that up).
       
       But criminal history was on there as well.

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          PabstPenroseposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          I don't doubt that. I'm 17, and a High School drop out. I'm studying for my GED, and I can't join the military until I get it. But, I'm not 'dumb,' haha.

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             TimTurnerposted 16 years agoin reply to this

             Good for you man and keep it up! Yeah, I think they meant people who have really low IQ scores because you do have to take a bunch of tests before you get in.

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             Ivorwenposted 16 years agoin reply to this

             Actually, unless thins have changed in the past 10 years, you can join -- but you would have to become a lieutenant.  (Doesn't that sound like the government!)

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                TimTurnerposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                Thats weird! haha

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    PabstPenroseposted 16 years ago

    Shooter: Malck something, something.
    
    Sounds middle eastern, not good!

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       TimTurnerposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Yeah, I know this is pure speculation but I've always suspected that there were terrorists climbing our military ranks quietly.  I mean, it took 12 years of planning for 9/11 to happen.
       
       Again, I'm PURELY speculating but I've always told my friends I bet there are terrorists in our military.
       
       And, again, shame on me for thinking he could be a terrorist with a middle eastern name but that is just the times we are in

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          PabstPenroseposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          That's a legit opinion, and I completely agree. They could be anywhere, anyone. Yeah, to suspect this, shows the times were in. It's not being 'racist,' but everyone's on alert.

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             Lisa HWposted 16 years agoin reply to this

             I just heard (not sure if I'm spelling it correctly) something like "Major Malik Nadal Hassan".

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                PabstPenroseposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                Yeah, it was something like that. The guy could hardly say it.

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                Ivorwenposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                Well, at least they know who these nut are!

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    arthritickneeposted 16 years ago

    Didn't they do a lot of work with post traumatic stress at Ft. Hood.
    
    It is just as likely to be returned servicemen who have snapped. If you think about the thousands in the military who have been over to the middle east, it only take 0.001% to lose the edge like this.

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       Jonathan Jancoposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Not out of the question, especially if you consider the amount of weapons w/ depleted uranium we've been using over there. Very bad for the brain.

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       TimTurnerposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       I would agree if this was one shooter.  But it's a total of three plus the killed gunman is a U.S. Army Major.  Officers in the military go through even more tests and screening.
       
       And then to conspire with two other U.S. soldiers show some high-level thinking, not mental instability.

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    PabstPenroseposted 16 years ago

    I've talked to recruiters for the Army, Marines, and Nvey, and they all required a GED atleast, but some required some other schooling time, which I didn't understand.

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       Ivorwenposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Additional schooling is required to be an officer, so when they take a drop out they put them through the equivalent of two years of schooling/college.
       
       I know this because I was/am a drop out -- left HS early to go to college.  Was accepted, enrolled and had started taking classes, before I was informed that I needed a Good Enough Diploma (GED).  Any way, I got calls right and left because of my ASFB scores... when I told them I was a drop out they all promised me it was no problem and then proceeded with the spiel that officers make more money.

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    TimTurnerposted 16 years ago

    Ok three shooters have been confirmed with one killed.

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    PabstPenroseposted 16 years ago

    I've always been interested in the military, and I like their schooling program. I just hope I get my GED soon!

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       Crazdwriterposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       I wish you the best of luck on anything you persue!

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          PabstPenroseposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          Thanks!

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    Lisa HWposted 16 years ago

    Tim, if it were one guy involved I might agree "shame on you" (sort of).  It's more than one guy.  That would seem to indicate that it wasn't a matter of some crazy person going berserk and shooting wildly.  We can't guess right now, of course; but I think one guy could either be a run-of-the-mill crazy or a terrorist crazy.  More than one seems to rule out the "one-nut" theory.  The individual named so far was not a Southern Baptist or Catholic, by the way.  He did recently convert to a religion, which suggests he's had religion on his mind.

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       TimTurnerposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Oh wow...where did you hear about him recently changing religions?

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          Lisa HWposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          I'm listening to the radio, and they're reporting what comes out as soon as it does.

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             Madame Xposted 16 years agoin reply to this

             So we've got another attack on our hands and the media are not sayin' that's what it is. . .

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    C.J. Wrightposted 16 years ago

    He had a blog on blogspot...its down.... recent convert to islam, if thats him.

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       TimTurnerposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Oh wow

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    Madame Xposted 16 years ago

    http://abcnews.go.com/WN/soldiers-kille … id=9007938
    
    ABC names him (even Fox won't do that) but I agree with the post above that speculated about terrorism - sounds kinda fishy that he's middle eastern.

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       A Texanposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Kinda fishy?

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          Madame Xposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          I try to be polite . . . sometimes

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    PabstPenroseposted 16 years ago

    Scott & White Hospital has 9 gun shot victims, many wounded and blood of all types is needed.

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    A Texanposted 16 years ago

    It will get ugly around here!

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       Madame Xposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Oh man . . .

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    A Texanposted 16 years ago

    Just heard they released the 2 suspects

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       TimTurnerposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Man, how is CNN so slow with this info!

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          A Texanposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          My Congressman is on Fox, I'm about 50 miles from where this happened

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       PabstPenroseposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       It's possible the one shooter could have been alone, but I really doubt it. There has to be atleast one more on the loose.

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    Madame Xposted 16 years ago

    They've ruled that possibility out already - I just heard it on tv

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       Jonathan Jancoposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       For someone who is so suspicious of the media I'm surprised you would say that.

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          Madame Xposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          still suspicious - just reporting what I've heard
          
          besides, even the media isn't so stupid as to stir up other possibilities without cause - or backing

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    A Texanposted 16 years ago

    Right now they are looking for 1 guy! Released the 2 suspects!

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       Jonathan Jancoposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Implying they are no longer suspects . . . sounds suspicious.

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          A Texanposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          Not clear what is going on could be heresay

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       TimTurnerposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Oh so one person is still on the loose?

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    Lisa HWposted 16 years ago

    I think it will - and on top of it all a whole lot of people are disgusted and shocked that Obama didn't address the issue without first seeming "jovial" (other people's words, not mine) about whatever else it was he was addressing before he ever got to talking about the shootings.  Based on what I'm hearing (so much, so soon) I can't help but think this is going to turn into a big problem for Obama, himself, as well.  I don't think I'm alone (or particularly insightful) to say that I sense a big, national, mess coming on.

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       Jonathan Jancoposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       I wouldn't terribly concerned about the political ramifications at this point.

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       TimTurnerposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Yeah, I was surprised how he came on to address the issue but I don't want to make it a political debate in this topic.  But it's a good thread to create for a debate.

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       cosetteposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       here's a clip (filmed live)
       
       he says, almost halfway through, that his "immediate thoughts and prayers are with the wounded and the families of the fallen and the soldiers at Ft. Hood". if one of my loved ones was killed or hurt i would have been deeply offended.
       
       he should have saved the accolades for AFTERWARDS. :p

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          Madame Xposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          His lack of gravitas is pathetic! Does this man have ANY understanding of what other people feel when something like this happens?

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             A Texanposted 16 years agoin reply to this

             X, he's a scumbag who hates the military, didn't you know that?

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                Madame Xposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                sorry - I'm getting forgetful . . .

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    Madame Xposted 16 years ago

    What seems so odd is that a civilian police officer was the one who shot the gunman - not military personel

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    rebekahELLEposted 16 years ago

    it might be nice to light a candle in memory of those lost and keep politics out of this.

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       Lisa HWposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       I don't think the people I'm hearing who are anger out Obama's demeanor are thinking in terms of politics.  They're angry that he didn't appear to honor the wounded and dead military people; and I think their anger on behalf of those wounded and dead is, in its own way, a wish to honor them.
       
       Some people's instinct is to light candles to honor victims.  Others is to speak up about what they perceive as lack of respect for the victims.  I think a lot of people are concerned that there's the possibility this was an act of terrorism within the military base.  Not to disregard the victims by any means, but if it was an act against the US military from within that brings a whole, separate, set of concerns that become a concern for everyone.  The way I see it, better to address the concerns than to act as if there's no possibility they could be valid.  That, too, in its own way is also honoring the victims.

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          Madame Xposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          Yes, I whole-heartedly agree. Discussing the reasons behind it is one way to process the awful loss people feel.

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    PabstPenroseposted 16 years ago

    Does anyone know what made those 2 suspects, 'suspects?'

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       A Texanposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Probably close to the action

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       Jonathan Jancoposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       And why'd they get released so quickly if they were suspects.

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          PabstPenroseposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          They were being questioned, but I haven't head why they were released.

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    Lisa HWposted 16 years ago

    I suppose there's always the chance this one guy just didn't want to get shipped off to Iraq or Afghanistan.  Whether or not the other two guys were released, there could be the chance that they got together, got themselves all worked up, and planned a shooting.  Birds of a feather (and nuts of a feather) do tend to stick together.  Maybe it wasn't religion or politics at all - just cowardice?

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       A Texanposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       He was a Psychiatrist I doubt he would see much action!

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       PabstPenroseposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       He's a major though, and most likely has already been over seas.

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       Jonathan Jancoposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       I find that hard to believe. Go to Afghanistan or face the death penalty? I think I'd choose the former, as difficult as combat must be.

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          Madame Xposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          You think he actually thought he was going to get away with this? On a military base? Sounds more like a planned suicide.

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             Lisa HWposted 16 years agoin reply to this

             I can see that - a version of "suicide by cop" sort of thing.  Now that we know he is said to have been a psychiatrist, that may not speak well for his own mental health.  Birds of a feather don't just stick together, they sometimes go study up on the particular type of feathers they have.

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                A Texanposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                and enlist the aid of other whackjobs!

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    PabstPenroseposted 16 years ago

    They're still saying on CNN that the suspects are still in custody.

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    A Texanposted 16 years ago

    Now they have the suspect in custody that they were looking for

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       Crazdwriterposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       good! I hope it is the right guy and he gets thrown away forever.

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          Madame Xposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          Yeah.

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          A Texanposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          This is Texas, if he is guilty he will kiss the baby!

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             Crazdwriterposted 16 years agoin reply to this

             kiss the baby? never heard that before...you mean death penalty?

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                A Texanposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                Gonna die! Death Penalty or get taken for a long ride, It ends the same!

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                   Crazdwriterposted 16 years agoin reply to this

                   ahhh got ya...and yes this is true...and no matter what his end is near for doing this...

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    A Texanposted 16 years ago

    Back in the early 90s they had a mass killing in Killeen at a Luby's, Ft Hood is in Killeen!

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    AnywhereGardenerposted 16 years ago

    Killed 12 people, 31 wounded.  The news mentioned that there are gangs within this army post, that seems odd to me, wouldn't the army take care of that? Or is this a new norm now?

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       A Texanposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Gang members are joining the Military to get the training for urban warfare, they then use it in gang activity

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    AnywhereGardenerposted 16 years ago

    How about Muliff Hassan,the alledged shooter,a psychatrist, I'm surprised no one is commenting on his foreign sounding name, wondering if he was a terrorist?

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       Madame Xposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Go back a bit.

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    AnywhereGardenerposted 16 years ago

    Don't most gang members have a record already? I thought they wouldn't let you in the military with a record? Or are they deciding to become gang members once they are in there? It's such a big place but I'd think the army would have a handle on it. This is probably away from the subject, I just heard them mention it and was curious, it stuck with me as odd.

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       A Texanposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       Not a lot of Volunteers joining so they relaxed the rules, hell a 43 year old can join!

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          PabstPenroseposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          They also say that they can't descriminate, because they have a bad record in the past. Stupid.

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    A Texanposted 16 years ago

    This happened not too many years ago with an enlisted man, he rolled a grenade into a tent killing several soldiers, he was a Muslim. I never heard what happened to him.

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       Madame Xposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       I think it's easy to speculate though

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       Jonathan Jancoposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       The action you describe is called fragging. Apparently, it happened so many times during the Vietnam era that the Pentagon gave up on counting them by August 1971.

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          A Texanposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          I know what its called, this was an enlisted man doing it to other enlisted men. Fragging in Vietnam was a way to get rid of incompetent officers, I have been tempted to do it myself! The case I am talking about was terrorism!

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          Madame Xposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          More specifically "frag the lieu-ie"  - as in a lieutenant who was only made an officer because he had a college degree and got lots of men killed because of his inexperience.

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    PabstPenroseposted 16 years ago

    Fort Hood's the largest military base in the world, covering 384 miles.

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    Crazdwriterposted 16 years ago

    I'll definitely light a candle for them...I actually already have one going.

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    PabstPenroseposted 16 years ago

    Think about this. The Feds could prove this guy was insane, and had no real motive or target. The fact that this happened period is ridiculous. Say you live on the military base, you'd think you're in a very safe place. Especially since it's the largest known base in the world. Where's the secuirty?

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       A Texanposted 16 years agoin reply to this

       This is no different than being at a mall and this happens. There is no way to prevent this type of crime

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          PabstPenroseposted 16 years agoin reply to this

          This can be prevented. Only certian people on the base are premitted to carry guns. He was not. And even if they were hidden, there could have been metal detectors installed outside of bulding doors.

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             A Texanposted 16 years agoin reply to this

             He was an Officer he can keep his piece at home.

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             rmcrayneposted 16 years agoin reply to this

             This is not feasible.  We increased security after 9/11 and it is a logistical nightmare.  Especially now with so many being deployed, you’re already doing more with less.  You have increased forces at the gates, searching trunks etc.  We’ve already gone to civilian security at the gates on many installations.  You have to have troops posted at every building entrance.  There certainly are not enough Security Forces to do this.  They are heavily taxed for deployment.  So at a large hospital, like Wilford Hall Medical Center where I was at, you have units within the organization told how many troops they have to cough up for such duties.  These units are already strapped too due to deployments.  The kind of security you refer to could not be sustained for day-to-day operations.

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