Up to 30 dead/wounded in Ft. Hood, Texas w/2 to 3 shooters

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jaybojasposted 14 years ago
this is horrible...is there another word for horrible? i hope and wish the shooters will go straight to hell. The worst hell of all.
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  Crazdwriterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh trust me jay he will be going to hell and the worst part of hell too!
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, Houston, thats a hell you don't want!
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lrohnerposted 14 years ago
I feel so terrible for those soldiers and their families. This kind of thing is happening way too often these days though.

And personally, I'm a bit freaked as my middle daughter is on a plane at this very moment heading to San Antonio, Texas for her boyfriend's graduation at the Air Force base there. She doesn't even know yet what happened.
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A Texanposted 14 years ago
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A Texanposted 14 years ago
Now they say they have 2 suspects in custody, lots of Bogus info coming out
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You can say that again - some twit just said "one suspected shooter is dead"
  
  What?
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  Crazdwriterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Gotta love the media...can't get their facts straight on a moments notice to save their lives!
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Its the people being interviewed. Now they say he was a Virginia Tech grad, breeding mass murderers there!
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Now they're saying Muliff Hassan is "a suspect"
  
  I rarely sputter . . .
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thought it was Malik Nadal Hasan?
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, I screwed it up - sorry
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Somebody else wrote it that way too, I thought maybe I had it wrong.
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  PabstPenroseposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Police dapartment said one person was released, and one in custody.
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jaybojasposted 14 years ago
And where are those super security stuff. Those metal detectors...and why dont they just bury the shooters alive?
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  We like to try them,,,then killem!
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ah, Texas . . .
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PabstPenroseposted 14 years ago
I remember the VT shooting, that was ridiculous. He graduated from there?
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thats whats being reported!
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AnywhereGardenerposted 14 years ago
He's not a suspect, he's the dead shooter. They said he was a resent Muslim convert, a psychiatrist recently transferred from Walter Reed where he had received a poor performance review.
So he probably was a crazy, disgruntled man.
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Madame Xposted 14 years ago
Now they're saying that he said, "maybe more people should strap bombs to themselves and throw off the aggressor" (meaning the US)
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A Texanposted 14 years ago
A retired Col, said this guy has made anti American comments, saying Muslims should stand up to the aggressors! Its gonna get bad!
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Understatement
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Gonna be some mad cedar choppers around here! After 9/11 the Arabs running the convenience stores put on cowboy hats and started speaking Spanish! That ain't a joke!
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Crazdwriterposted 14 years ago
Oi ve! media and interviewers need to give the real scoop so we know the REAL facts!
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Jewish?
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  Crazdwriterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  who me? no...that is my word that I like to say from time to time
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Just joking!
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  Crazdwriterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  lol A Texan I don't I just like that word lol
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I think you've just been outed.
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  Crazdwriterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  no because he was joking and I'm not Jewish
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Not that there's anything wrong with that.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I was thinking of adding that
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sick minds think alike (sometimes)
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  Crazdwriterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  lol you two are funny
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  They're building it slowly, very slowly . . . never let a good story go to waste
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  Crazdwriterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  TOO slow if you ask me!
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  But look at the effect - for myself, I feel a growing sense of dread, especially if it turns out to be terrorism - I think it's important to watch how things "make me" feel
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  Crazdwriterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That is so true...I am feeling a sense of dread too. Just what we DON"T need. More crap like this.
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I shut the TV off after about 2 hours. It's way too early to speculate about what's going on. The base was sealed and the CID, FBI and DHS are there in force. It'll be quite some time before we know anything.
  
  Perhaps we can think of something to comfort the families of the dead and wounded. It'll give us a goal and help take our minds off the endless speculation of what really happened.
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Madame Xposted 14 years ago
So now they're saying Nadar Hasan, his cousin, was in on it and that they are both Muslim
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  They are talking to him now, he isn't even in Texas
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Lisa HWposted 14 years ago
Madame X, I know what you mean. Until we hear facts that may change the picture we're "sensing" right now, I think a lot of us feel this is kind of ominous-seeming and/or has the potential of turning into something bigger, one way or another. I think it's the shock of the crime, combined with our uncertainty about what is does or doesn't mean. I suspect in another several hours or so we'll have a clearer picture.
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Madame Xposted 14 years ago
@ Lisa - Yeah. You have to get away from the media and wait for them to just spill it - or you'll go crazy
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A Texanposted 14 years ago
Beginning to sound like he was just a nut
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  Uninvited Writerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You changed your tune when you found out he was a Muslim.
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh he's a nut all right. Only an Islamic nut rather than a PTSD nut.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Or possibly both...
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  He spend the last 6 years at Bethesda. If he got deployed it was years ago. His mental state can't be worse than guys who have been back and forth to the theater of war four or five times. Still, we'll see.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Changed my tune when more information of what he had said to others came out! I always knew he was Muslim! Problem?
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Madame Xposted 14 years ago
Gotta go everyone - God Bless those who lost their lives and my heart is with their families.
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AnywhereGardenerposted 14 years ago
His cousin was just talking on the news and said he's always been Muslim but a born American and joined the Army just out of high school. He was being picked on at Walter Reed, being called a Raghead, etc. and he was afraid of going to Iraq because of being a psychiatrist he listened to all the horror stories of the men and women coming home
He had hired a lawyer to defend himself about being picked on at Walter Reed and so perhaps that is why he was transfered to Texas. He was supposed to go to Iraq and he was trying to get out of the Army, he didnt want to go to the war. So sounds like he just snapped. But like you say, we'll have to wait til the end until it all comes out. No matter, its so sad and my prayers will be with all the people at Fort Hood.
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  PabstPenroseposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It's a shame that people are picked on, while in the military. Especially by their own people.
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  dave272727posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  When I was in the service we had people that would fake injuries, illness, or whatever they could think of to get out of deployments. Some even had their wives or girlfriends pull some crap so that they might not have to leave. That could be what this is about. I dont know. The only thing that I am getting from this is what you guys are saying and what Yahoo has. Either way whatever this turns out to be it is a terrible tragedy and should have been prevented. My question was where was the security?
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Crazdwriterposted 14 years ago
Definitely heartwrenching to hear news like this.
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AEvansposted 14 years ago
I heard and it is sad, so sad what in the World is our own World coming to?
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You know this isn't anything new, there have been spree killers for a very long time. This happened in this same town in 1991 24 dead who knows how many wounded! Happened in 1966 in Austin, sniper on the UT Tower killed many people! Happened after WW2 with a guy walking around his neighborhood killing people, been going on for a looooooong time!
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  rebekahELLEposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  it is so sad, and so sad to see such quick judgments made...
  it is terrible, such a loss~
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Way too early to try to make sense of this.
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fishtiger58posted 14 years ago
They said he is a mental health army doc getting ready to be sent to Iraq who did this.
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lrohnerposted 14 years ago
Call me racist or prejudiced or whatever. I find it a little too unsettling that the primary shooter was muslim. There. I said it. And I mean it. It's a religion that I have no other beef with except that it condones violence against non-believers.
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It's not prejudiced. I thought that the MO looked suspicious. Look at Al Qaeda in the 1990's. There they had steadily escalating attacks against America. Since we kicked them out of Afghanistan, they've not had the reach they once did, but the organization has gone much more cellular and decentralized.
  
  What's really disturbing is when you add this to the recruitment center shooting a few months ago and realize that you now have independent terror cells or lone wolf operatives who seem to be ramping up attacks. That is my concern.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  LDT of the moment, meet LDT of 30 minutes ago. You should listen to him, he was making sense
  
  I shut the TV off after about 2 hours. It's way too early to speculate about what's going on. The base was sealed and the CID, FBI and DHS are there in force. It'll be quite some time before we know anything.
  
  Perhaps we can think of something to comfort the families of the dead and wounded. It'll give us a goal and help take our minds off the endless speculation of what really happened.
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  As I've said, it's a concern. You'll notice I haven't called for a Crusade against Islam for this, have I? Let's just that that I'd be less than surprised to find that this was a lone wolf type scenario linked in a general way to the entire Islamic Fundamentalist movement. Do I know that for sure? No. It's speculation at this point, which is why I turned off the TV.
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Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years ago
Here we go............
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A Texanposted 14 years ago
You do realize this guy was a Muslim, he wasn't Southern Baptist,Lutheran,Catholic. Muslims have a history of this sort of behavior, you know that right?
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  He was from Virginia which just voted for a Republican governor which means the Republicans are responsible.
  
  Ridiculous theory right? Makes as much sense as blaming muslims.
  
  Relax, listen, learn, form opinion, share with others - do not deviate from this sequence.
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A Texanposted 14 years ago
I'm surprised one of you libs haven't mentioned how racist this base must be after all its named after a Confederate General. I figured one of you would be all over that!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ft_Hood
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Coulda been worse, they could have named it after Fighting Joe, that'd be funny wouldn't it?
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manlypoetrymanposted 14 years ago
My heart goes out to the families of each of the dead...and for those that are wounded by this senseless attack...!
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Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years ago
Now, they're saying the gunman is not dead. At this stage of the matter, not much info is reliable.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Its reliable info that he is a Muslim! I don't care why he did it, he should be shot immediately if he is not dead and then crucified, sounds fair to me!
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Just him or all Muslims?
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Leta Sposted 14 years ago
OMG (not you, Ron, UW, other normal people). I should have known there would be this kind of thing said here. NO, the soldier with the Middle Eastern last name was not a terrorist; was not a Muslim. He was an American. And even if he is Muslim--um, last time I checked that was still OK in America?

Freedom of religion--one of those values we hold so dearly.

I would never, ever, ever, ever want to have been in Nazi Germany with most of the people on here these days. You truly scare me.
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  He was a recent convert to Islam. Recent converts also can be some of the most fervent members of a religion. It's the whole "I have to prove I'm a real ...".
  
  Islamic terrorists do have supporters here don't you know?
  
  http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art … AD9BOCH4G0
  
  Headley is about as American, OK maybe British too, as you can get.
  
  http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/op … jhri6DmuHM
  
  Do you think that putting the 9/11 people in US prison will help or hurt Islamic terrorist recruitment of prisoners?
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  His cousin said that he was always a Muslim, he is of Jordanian descent. Poor Lita is scared, but its a safe bet she wouldn't be scared of someone who wanted to kill her, she would try and "understand", pathetic!
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The 'ideas' here are what is scary.
  
  You do of course know that despite 'understanding,' the perpetrator will get the death penalty under military law? What is enormously stupid is the Glenn Becker crowd trying to make this into a political statement.
  
  But why try reason or facts with the insane?
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What ideas do you find scary?
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The latest info is that he is NOT a recent convert to Islam. This premature speculation is ridiculous.
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  TimTurnerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Neighbors said that they were nice guys (shooter and his brother/cousin) and that they have always been Muslim. And pretty strict with their religion.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'd say so. Pretty strict about anti-Christianity, indeed.
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  livelongerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What makes you think they were anti-Christian?
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  OK fine, he was a lifelong Muslim. That doesn't invalidate the idea that his religion motivated his actions.
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Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years ago
The shooter is reportedly in stable condition. If he survives, we may eventually understand his motive. We certainly won't tonight.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I just heard he was a psychiatrist who was about to be deployed. He had treated PPST patients and didn't want to go. Evidently, he flipped out.
  
  Oh, and I now here he is of the Muslim faith, yes. Sounds a bit more complex than the uh, 'discussion' here. (Again, not you, Ron.)
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TimTurnerposted 14 years ago
Not sure if anyone saw this or this was posted already but according to Yahoo news, he posted suicide bombing blogs online and the authorities knew about them 6 months ago: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_fort_hood … ng_suspect

If this is true, how the hell did the Army allow him to stay in??
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The answer is in the article. They don't know if he is actually the author of the posts.
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TimTurnerposted 14 years ago
Dr. Phil is on Larry King talking about this...can someone please tell me why we need to care what this "doctor" has to say?

He is getting mad because this other guy is saying he thinks it's terrorism or religious based. Dr. Phil said "how can you say that...." blah blah blah

Sorry, just had to get that off my chest.

CNN is about to release surveillance video of the gunman before the shooting, today!!!
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  rmcrayneposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm with Dr. Phil. You go with religious terrorism. For now, I'm going to go with poor b@*$&#d has had to listen to and empathize with too many war stories and feel impotent to help those mentally &/or physically mangled soldiers. And, in part because he is Muslim of Jordanian descent, he was scared s*#$less of deploying.
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  TimTurnerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  But we know he posted blogs sympathizing with suicide bombers now. So Dr. Phil is wrong again haha
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  rmcrayneposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, well walk a mile is this guy's combat boots and get back to me.
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'd rather not if he's the kind of person that can justify opening fire on a crowded room of soldiers. I'm just strange that way, I guess.
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  rmcrayneposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And psychic too apparently.
  
  Sorry young Noah has you upset. I worked pediatrics for years. If it's any comfort, as crazy as it sounds, kids don't feel sorry for themselves.
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, that always threw me for a turn. It was interesting when at my last job I'd have the, thankfully rare, "venting moment". The kids would get all quiet and then work on making your day better. They'd treat you like they treated their parents all day, but if you showed any signs of stress, they'd be the first to work on cheering you up. It was very humbling.
  
  As for the psychiatrist, do you really want to know what goes on in such a person's mind. I don't even want to know how someone can justify what he did. It's so callous and inhuman.
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  rmcrayneposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  All Occupational Therapists are trained in psychiatry, and I worked psychiatry in my 1st and only civilian OT job before I commissioned into the Air Force. I look at it as just trying to understand people and what makes them tick. It makes it easier for me to get along with more "challenging" people.
  
  For extremes of humans/behaviors, like this Active Duty Army Psychiatrist, yes, my brain seeks some kind of explanation, such as mental illness, to try to have some understanding of what is incomprehensible. No one is justifying anything.
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not so sure psychiatry has a good handle on why anyone does much of anything. At least Freudian psychology and it's derivatives. I'm of the belief that people may not want to articulate why they do what they do, but I'm convinced that most people know what they are doing when they do something.
  
  What I'm not so sure about is if they've thought out the consequences of their actions. Ben Franklin said it centuries ago: "I conceive that the great part of the miseries of mankind are brought upon them by false estimates they have made of the value of things".
  
  I don't think this guy was mentally ill, at least not in the sense of having schizophrenia or some other DSM IV disorder. He was crazy, that's for sure, but suffering from an illness, I think not.
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  rmcrayneposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm a big fan of DSM. Always have my own pocket guide
  
  It actually crossed my mind that he could have had a psychotic break. Certainly likely, or at least possible he was delusional, don't you think?
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That would depend on what you consider a psychotic break, wouldn't it? It would seem to me that he somehow was able to justify his actions before he actually did them. Otherwise, how could he do what he did? Don't terrorists or freedom fighters, whatever they call themselves, set themselves up as the heroes of their people, cause, what have you? Hmm. Could be Jung was onto something with his archetypes. Heaping scorn on the "ragheads" could have fueled his anger and turned his thoughts from being a member of the US military to being a member of the persecuted Muslims. Who wouldn't feel justified at striking the oppressors of one's own people? Isn't that what motivated Timothy McVeigh?
  
  Now the real question isn't are these people delusional, because I don't believe they are, what they are is irrational. That's a whole different kettle of fish. Consider the fact that I, personally, am opposed to many of our current adventures around the globe. Yet I would never use the fact that we're at war in Iraq and Afghanistan as a reason to attack member of the military like that. Actions like that the psychiatrist took are irrational, not delusional. Now if I thought that pod people had replaced members of the military with aliens, then that would be delusional.
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  rmcrayneposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ironically, in your first paragraph, you described delusional pretty well.
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  There's a fine line that's for sure. I suppose it's because I consider delusions things that people from schizophrenia suffer from. We had very few schizophrenic kids in our facility, but I remember one vividly. I truely believed he suffered from delusions. He'd be right there talking to you then he'd turn his head and start screaming at the Devil or God, or what have you. You only need to see that a few times to get a feel for when someone is telling you the truth about seeing things or lying to you.
  
  Delusional people can't help what they see. Someone like our shooter, on the other hand, seems to have made a choice. Remember, for months before the attack he was questioning our involvement in the Middle East and expressing admiration for suicide attacks. Those are not the words of someone who is delusional, those are the words of someone who believes that the tactics employed by Islamic fundamentalists are OK, morally speaking. I don't think that counts as a delusion. Irrational, yes.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  lol LDT is OK, mcrayne. He just sometimes takes debate to an extreme.
  
  I personally don't think enough details have trickled in concerning the mental state of this individual that we have the full picture. I think that would be the consensus of professionals, as well.
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It's OK, Lita, you can say it. I like to argue.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  When you posted several hours ago that we should all back off of this and just consider the needs of the victims' families..........
  
  Should have started a pool
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Funny, Ron. All we've been doing is talking and speculating. Have you heard me suggest a course of action? Any sort of revenge move? No. People talk, they discuss, especially when something like this happens. You can rest assured that as more and more of this comes to light, I'll be taking note of it, and revising my beliefs. I do take facts into consideration, you know. I don't allow dogma to dictate my beliefs.
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  Friendlywordposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  This guy heard and saw the hell he was being sent to, everyday he saw people that had body parts blown off them. He heard all of their horror stories, and he snapped. Maybe the human mind is just not capable of handling that much horror and pain and fear. He was about to be sent to the same hell he heard about everyday. You can't justify it. You can not dismiss the possible reason he snapped either. It's not hard to figure out.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And the thousands of brave men and women who don't respond by murdering a dozen of their fellow soldiers? There is no excuse for this POS and he should do nothing but his last duty of receiving the bullet he has earned.
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If you were talking about a civilian, you might very well be right. But our military, as well as other types of professions like first responders, are trained in dealing with crisis situations. Plus this guy was a psychiatrist, it's not like he was cavalry or infantry or a shooter. He was support staff.
  
  I also don't buy that the horror stories told to him by his patients made him snap either. Psychiatrists hear horror stories all the time, heck I've heard horror stories you wouldn't believe from my kids I used to work with. If I know anything it's that the human mind is more resilient that you'd believe.
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  rmcrayneposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Excuse me while I go beat my head against the wall.
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I dealt with that quite a bit too. I never could figure out why our kids tried to headbang when they were upset.
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  rmcrayneposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You're baiting. I can't respect that.
  
  Certainly there is more to psychosis and delusional thinking than your stated understanding. Schizophrenia is only the overt, media-hyped manifestation of psychosis, hallucinations and delusions. Narcissists have delusions of grandeur. Surely you have seen this in the forums many times.
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It's doubtful we'll agree. I've had far too many experiences where children have been able to snow supposed professionals by manifesting false symptoms, in order to justify their behavior. Now I didn't deal with very many severe cases, we were a residential facility after all, but after transcribing the doctor's notes for quite some time, it became clear that there is no real diagnostic mechanism in psychiatry, most of it is subjective.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  His mind couldn't handle what others have seen?
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  Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes Tex, the PC crowd is now saying that the guy has Pre Traumatic Stress Disorder
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Pre Traumatic stress disorder? Who are these people? Would any of them try to understand a rabid dog or would they just shoot it? Its the same with the Islamic Terrorists or whackjobs who kill for whatever reason!
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  Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Don't lump the Islamic terrorists with the PC crowd. The PC crowd doesn't deal with reality. Whereas the Islamic Terrorists find out how to realistically achieve their aim regardless of the time frame.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm saying Terrorists and mass murderers are no different than rabid dogs!
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  LiamBeanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Shooting him in the head won't get answers. Like "are there any others involved?" or "Why did you do that?"
  
  Those questions need answers.
  
  Flightkeeper why do you make crap up and attribute it to others? You aren't Glenn Beck you know.
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  LiamBeanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Who? Where? When? Link please.
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/ … al-lenses/
  
  http://www.sbsun.com/news/ci_13725176
  
  Hmm. Looks like this term has been used for a variety of things long before the Ft. Hood attack.
  
  http://www.sbsun.com/news/ci_13725176
  
  http://andrewbartlett.com/blog/?p=33
  
  http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_o … 1d9e24186d
  
  http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_o … 71257417ea
  
  Looks like the term pre-traumatic stress has been floating around out there for a while now. Imagine, you can now become traumatized by the very thought of stress, instead of real stress.
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  LiamBeanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I see the same two links used twice. The only person this statement was directly attributed to was a former soldier herself.
  
  What PC crowd?!?!?
  
  Again, I ask the question. Why make crap up and attribute it to others? The only "other" directly quoted as using the phrase would hardly be considered a member of the "PC crowd."
  
  Or is it just that anyone who does not want all Arabs shot on sight considered a member of the PC crowd?
  
  And for the record, having been stationed at Fort Hood, I don't consider what Major Hasan did excusable.
  
  But, and this is a big but, killing indiscriminately, as he did, does not make things better. In fact advocating such a move makes the advocate not much better than Major Hasam himself.
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Where have people been saying to shoot Arabs on sight? Stop being hysterical. You also seem to have missed the last two links which link to studies being done for something called pre-traumatic stress disorder. Nice to see we're making stuff up out of whole cloth now.
  
  http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/08/weeki … wt=nytimes
  
  From the mouth of the New York Times itself:
  
  So we're having psychiatric casualties before they even go into combat? This guy was not a rifleman. He was a support troop.
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  LiamBeanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Read back. One of the posters equated Hasan to a mad dog. What do you do with mad dogs?
  
  I don't make stuff up. That's the wing-nuts specialty.
  
  What's that got to do with attributing the phrase "pre-traumatic stress" to a PC crowd?
  
  None that I see.
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Not right wing-nut, just plain nuts.
  
  Because most people in the humanities field are PC. There's been an ongoing "war" in acadamia for quite some time now between the "soft" sciences like humanities and "hard" sciences like physics. Try researching it. You might find it interesting.
  
  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/030014 … dp_product
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  "this guy" as in the POS who killed 12 US servicemen today???
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  rmcrayneposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  This is not serious discussion either. I believe it's called baiting.
  
  I'm a vet. Do you think I don't take the loss of human life seriously?
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'll judge that by your words and deeds, not by the fact that you are a vet. I don't know any vets who judge each other by any other standard. Being a vet is a mark of honor for you and I'm grateful for your service, but this POS served in the armed forces too. I don't 'respect' him, don't want to understand him, and do begrudge him every breath he takes from now on.
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  Friendlywordposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  He is dead...dead people breath in that arrogant world you live in?
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  rmcrayneposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  He was indeed initially reported as dead, but that has been revised. He is alive and is expected to make it.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  See what happens when you comment before you inform yourself?
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rmcrayneposted 14 years ago
I went for a shower. Has the lynch mob assembled yet?
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  lol, agreed.
  
  Those ideas, LDT.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  They're having difficulty tonight. Glen Beck hasn't told them what to think yet.
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Funny, I haven't seen anyone marching on our local Islamic Center with torches and pitchforks. What I find disturbing is that you can't say a Muslim soldier who is known to have vented his displeasure at having to go to war murdering 12 or more people and you can't say that his religion had something to do with it. If you do that, all of a sudden you're a member of a hate brigade that's going to torch your local Islamic Center and run all Muslims out of town.
  
  That sounds suspiciously like fear mongering.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No it sounds like someone properly chastising you for tossing fire bombs into a volitile situation. The marches with pitchforks begin with hateful,ignorant statements.
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ignorant morons are always going to be ignorant morons, however you and I censor ourselves or don't censor ourselves. Nutters will use any excuse to kill, murder and maim. Any retaliation against innocents, Muslim or otherwise, is just as evil as this event.
  
  You'll also notice, I hope, that American's aren't as vengeful as they are commonly portrayed. We still allow mosques to tend to the faithful, Islamic centers to continue their business and Americans who happen to be Muslim to continue to work and live here. Not exactly the actions of a race of hateful ignorants to me.
  
  My concern is keeping me and mine safe. This sort of lone wolf actions is significant and it's imperative that we talk through it as a people. Just like 9/11 caught us unawares, so did this shift in tactics by people who hate us. Ironically, by not talking this thing through, all you'll accomplish is increasing the fear and uncertainty of people and that increase will lead to torches and pitchforks.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry, LDT. Don't take it personally...if, honestly, I didn't respect you...I'd now leave it alone. But I believe Goebbels would adore you for the above--if deliberate--or if truly that missing the point, whatever fits.
  
  As I said, I am very very glad we are not living in Nazi Germany.
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  We disagree, Lita, but rest assured that if I saw a mob marching towards the local Islamic center I'd be the first one baring the way.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Good to know, LDT. I was thinking I was a little harsh above...
  
  Still, I'm watching CNN and absolutely they are sensationalizing the incident--showing footage of the shooter in a store--of course in traditional Muslim dress in a store. The store owner/speaker says he comes in wearing fatigues often, and regular clothes often. But they chose the footage of him in Muslim dress.
  
  And that's CNN. Sometimes I wonder if their really is any intelligent life out there. Of course it is about ratings.
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You're going to laugh Lita, but I kept it on Fox News the two hours I watched. Say what you will but they didn't run with the shooter's name until a government official released it. Of course that's Fox's angle, "fair and balanced" but it seems to work.
  
  I think all of us are kinda short tempered today, Lita, between this and that poor boy Noah Biorkman, my nerves have been on edge today.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, then we better not discuss FOX news!
  
  I have distinct opinions about almost every news source, actually.
  
  My bf is just disgusted with all of it and, lol, emoting. Time to read something universal and calming, .
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TimTurnerposted 14 years ago
CNN is reporting that the FBI have been watching him for the last 6 months because of his blog posts.

Great job watching him boys!

SWAT team has surrounded his house right now. They made it seem like that just happened recently. And he was giving away his furniture to his neighbors today.
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  Crazdwriterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  They were watching him and yet someone got ARRESTED for threatening the Prescident on some website. Oh how sad!
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TimTurnerposted 14 years ago
CNN said that a female first responder shot the gunman first but she got shot and wounded as well.
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Leta Sposted 14 years ago
The bf (who is a Gulf war vet) states that the garb warn by the shooter in this footage is actually traditional ARAB garb...yet Wolf Blitzer keeps pointing out he is wearing traditional MUSLIM garb.

When you catch them being stupid you catch them.
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, it gets crazy sometimes. That's why you need good researchers and double check your facts.
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  Leta Sposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hmmm. And not seek to sensationalize your story would be good.
  
  Probably I ask too much.
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ratings are the God of news organizations, after all.
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Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years ago
Nowwww we can have an intelligent discussion.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, now we can admire your ability to post pictures of grossly obese people and "have an intelligent discussion."
  
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I thought you said I looked ok. Now you call me grossly obese?
  
  You're not my best friend anymore..nyah
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And there's the "serious discussion" I guess...
  
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mdawson17posted 14 years ago
I live about thirty miles from this horrible nightmare and cannot believe what has happened!!!!
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Waco?
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Luciendaskyposted 14 years ago
This is all very sad...
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prettydarkhorseposted 14 years ago
Race, religion, ethnicity has nothing to do with the shooting, it is an act of violence and insanity, brutal. It is good he is alive so that they can question him, psychologists havent had a solid answers what goes into the mind of killers like this. It happened before.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with that.
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rebekahELLEposted 14 years ago
PC, oh please...
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thisisoliposted 14 years ago
There was a guy in Amarillo just shot some people in a bar too, one of them was a Brit!
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  LiamBeanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well there you go. Amarillo natives are the new Al Quida!
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garynewposted 14 years ago
We now know there was only one shooter but there is still the question of whether a larger conspiracy existed or still exists.
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