What motivates people to do abortion?

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emdiposted 15 years ago
What motivates people to do abortion? I don't mean aborting the pregnancy of 15 year old girl who was raped. I am taking about our youth who just abort when they get pregnant. Is it the lack of money to bring up the child that motivates them? or pressure from male partner ? or social stigma? or just for fun ? or some other reason???

Please post, I am just curious to know............
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Just an opinion, because I don't know any 13 year old girls getting pregnant, but from the outside look in, I would conclude that it isn't a game, but a lack of knowledge or awareness about sexual acts, which leads to getting pregnant.
  
  Once pregnant, then the 'self-responsibility' sets in on the mind of a person, who isn't anywhere near ready to accept it, and then that turns out to fear, and puts in question the rest of their life, so they turn to abortion. Because, the adoption agencies aren't any better prepared to provide for children, as proven by history.
  
  I hoped I helped.
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  lyricsingrayposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  As always, thank you
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I didn't realize I did anything that warranted a thank you. I just gave my opinion. But, Thank you and You're welcome.
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  lyricsingrayposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  as always, thank you
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  Writer Riderposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What motivates people to talk about this topic incessantly. Come on, it just gets boring.
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  lyricsingrayposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you
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  emdiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, what to talk about right? Who is going to question when an unborn child is killed,he don't even have a passport? Its we who created, so we have the right to destroy it too. Is that what you meant?
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  Writer Riderposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You've put a lot of meaning into what I've said. No, I meant simply that because it seems to be the only topic people care to discuss.
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  Writer Riderposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  With that said I believe it's more important that a child comes into a world where they'd be healthy and happy. People who murder their children and throw them away in a forest, for example, should be required to have an abortion.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  NO, the child should be taken from them and THEY should be killed.
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  Writer Riderposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Then what happens to the child? Turned over to the foster care system where they're passed around and abused? Many becoming drug addicts and getting involved in crime?
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  Writer Riderposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I will never forget a documentary where a child was given up for adoption to some very good parents but the biological father wanted the child back so he went to court and successful gain custody of his one year old child. The poor baby was raped by her biological grandfather and died within a year!
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So, foster care guarantees abuse and addiction? Better to preemptively be killed?
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  Writer Riderposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  -So, foster care guarantees abuse and addiction?
  
  There are no guarantees set in stone right now so the worst couples can foster children.
  
  -Better to preemptively be killed?
  
  Than raped by your own grandfather? Absolutely! That's worse than a death.
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  rialeeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't think "motivate" is a good word. It in most cases, takes an ordeal to make this decision. In Australia, one needs to have a second opinion from 2 doctors to say it is warranted. It is not so easy to choose this. It cost a lot of money. You are correct in one aspect, many times it is pressure from partner/parents/and sometimes societies in which we live that frown on young people being pregnant and consequently having a baby.
  Believe me it is not fun!!! Life is precious and many disregard this fact. It is easy to become a parent but not easy to be a GOOD Mum. AND many disregard the fact that some males can be affected for up to ten years after their partner has had a termination.
  We often forget the medical reasons that may come into play...Remember also Accidents do happen and we all make mistakes... even you
  cheers
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Is a human baby an "accident"? A "mistake"?
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  wsp2469posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  First of all, I found it slightly difficult to follow your actual question.
  Second of all, I think you must already KNOW no one would get an abortion "just for fun".
  Third, I think ONLY women should discuss this issue since ONLY women can get pregnant.
  I think the only time a man should get involved is when it is his potential child up for the abortion.
  (Damn, Mighty, another month and NO Super-girl? I am so sad.)
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think that attitude makes absolutely NO sense.
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  wsp2469posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Okay. Allow me to elucidate. My point is I don't think ANY man should have ANY say about any "potential" child of MINE. A man cannot get pregnant so HE does not know what it is like to deal with being pregnant and ANOTHER man did NOT father my "potential" child.
  I don't need strangers getting involved in my life. . .especially those who have less of a clue about the issue than others. . .i.e. MEN.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Strangers are always involved in your life, and matters of life and death always involve the entire society they affect whether you like it or not.
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  wsp2469posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  have the last word. I have real writing to do. I WON'T debate the whole "life" definition with you even though that would be the way to go if I had time to rebut your comment about society being involved.
  Again, everyone has an opinion. We allow that here in America . . . so far anyway.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Good idea.
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  owner_4posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The thing is there is society pressure, emotion pressure and financial pressure. And no one to support.
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  Ms.Lavaeposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think it has something to do with everything you stated except for fun. I don't see why anyone would think that was fun.
  
  It's because when your that young you can barely take care of yourself, so it hits them that they surely can't take care of another life. Just think about it having a baby is something that even grownups are sometime not ready for. So that's one thing
  
  Another added factor is the parents. Some parents pressure their children into this because they feel this will ruin their child's life. I personally know a few friends who went through this.
  
  A so called boyfriend plays a big part also. The guy is around when it's time to have sex and things, but as soon as the girl mentions she's pregnant, the guy goes into panic mode and says things like you better get an abortion, or that baby's not mine, or i cant's take care of it. So when there's no support from the guy the girl def feels as though she can't do this by herself.
  
  Another reason teen's get an abortion is because they feel as though , Ok i messed up this time but if i have an abortion here's my chance to start over and begin a new chapter. It's almost if they've erased what happend.
  
  I mean there are so many reason's that play into teen's getting an abortion though iv'e named a few im sure there are way more out there.
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Shadesbreathposted 15 years ago
I'm sure it's because they are evil or because they have been possessed by Satan as Eve was in the Garden or some other nonsense. Who really cares on an individual, case-by-case basis why such agonizing personal decisions are made when it is so much fun to judge and be all superior and stuff? A good polemic hubpages forum, as a random example, can be a great way to have some fun and, if we're careful, we can couch it in a thin veil of "authentic curiosity" or something. Wont' that be great.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hmmm........?
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  haha. Shades! Can't you contain yourself at least on the holidays?
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Just another example why you are easily my favorite contributor to these forums.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  A great post!
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Valerie Fposted 15 years ago
That a girl is too young, that a woman does not think she is ready, that the relationship with the baby's father is not stable, that a woman's school or workplace cannot or will not accommodate her if she has the baby, that the woman's family or friends would disapprove, that a woman never wants children or doesn't want to have any more children account for 98% of abortions.
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awareposted 15 years ago
Virginia slims add. You've come a long way baby.
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  lyricsingrayposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  
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waynetposted 15 years ago
For selfish reasons I guess, who knows? maybe they thought about having a baby and then oh no I've just decided I do want a career after all and not to be using state benefits....selfish...selfish...selfish...of course there's nothing wrong with being selfish, but when a baby is there having a good old sleep in the mums tum tum and then is suddenly murdered because the parents changed their mind, just is wrong.....oh well.... selfishselfishselfishselfishselfish!
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  Writer Riderposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You don't know why anyone does whatever they do...
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tksenseiposted 15 years ago
Big of you to decide for the unborn.
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  Writer Riderposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Someone has to decide for them since they can't decide for themselves (they don't have life experience to understand what's coming their way). Children shouldn't be born then abused.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  In which case there is only one proper decision.
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Writer Riderposted 15 years ago
With that said, I've never had an abortion myself. Though I also believe there are instances that warrant it and don't believe in castigating people who have had one.
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Mighty Momposted 15 years ago
Why is it that almost all of the voices "speaking" for the "unborn" seem to be men?
None of you has ever been or ever will be pregnant. You have no idea how it feels to make the decision to bring a child into this world. Or for that matter, to suffer a miscarriage.
I notice there is never any outcry when a woman loses a baby naturally (which happens far more frequently than actual abortions).
I am really sick of the holier than thou crap from so called "Christians" who just want to look down their noses at other people who they deem "baby killers."
Why not focus your energies on helping the millions of kids who ARE in the foster care system or the kids with special needs who will never be adopted.

In a perfect world every child would be born to loving, capable parents (two of them in an intact, stable relationship). The reality is far, far from that. There is no test people have to pass to have kids. You have sex and you run the risk of getting knocked up. Even with protection.
Does this make you automatically a good candidate for parenthood? No, it does not.
Sometimes the HUMANE, RESPONSIBLE choice is to exercise one's LEGAL right to terminate the pregnancy.

P.S. The phrasing of this question is very objectionable to me. What motivates people to "do" abortion? Perhaps I've answered the wrong question and you really meant to ask why do some medical professionals PERFORM abortions? People having an abortion do not "do" them.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Men can't care about life? Would you agree to having all capital crime cases decided only by men, by law?
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Why would there be? You can't see the difference?
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You're sick and tired of other citizens having something to say about the life and death of the most innocent and vulnerable members of society? Too bad.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Why not expend energy on behalf of both?
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So, because many people are poor parents, the unborn should pay with their lives?! How does that make sense?
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  Writer Riderposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That's the point...they won't suffer more.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  How fortunate for you that no one made that choice 'for' you.
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  Writer Riderposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  If the situation was grave, I wouldn't mind. People really need to start focusing on childrens' happiness.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You would never have the chance to 'mind,' would you? Talk about taking away choice...
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Is there nothing sacred to you tksensei? How you are allowed to continue at all on these forums truly amazes me. You are sarcastic, rude and inconsiderate and beside that you never really contribute anything.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, life.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Arabs included? What about black people, mexicans, communists or gays or any of the other lives you attempt to denounce of any value? Yes, you.
  
  You contradict yourself all the time. You are full of opinions but never back them up. You abuse people all the time yet you act high and mighty about abortion?
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes
  
  Yes
  
  Yes
  
  Yes
  
  Yes
  
  -of course
  
  Pretty offensive to even ask, you have to admit.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That was the true quote, @tksensei.
  
  You are continuosly misquoting me, intentionally I believe, in some vendetta I don't know why, against what or who I dont know but you slice up comments and strew the message.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I really believe you are an intelligent person but you choose to be like this, difficult for the sake of it. Maybe there is something that happened to you, I don't know. I would like to know but I guess I never will. I would rather you do not niggle me all the time though because my patience is not infinite. Just makes some sense for once, please. If you are racist, admit it. You love guns, admit it. You hate gays admit it. But stop being a pretender. Its just annoying and surely there is something better you could do with your time.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I have never said any of those things.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I am sorry that you have a short memory also.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Please show me where I've said any of those things, or PLEASE cease these false and offensive accusations.
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  livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Excellent post. I've also noticed how men tend to dominate the anti-choice rhetoric. How convenient for them.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Not all men. I don't agree it is a male issue either but a problem with narrow-minded extremists who don't think outside of their absolutist moral guidelines force fed down the generations and slowly but surely quite willingly continuing the tradition, finding it too hard to think for themselves.
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Mighty Momposted 15 years ago
I see where you are trying to go with this tk and I ain't biting. I've said what I wanted to say now I'm bowing out.

It is possible to be pro choice and anti capital punishment.
Just as it is possible to be pro capital punishment and an abortion foe. Go figure.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  In other words, you are above defending your position? Or?
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Bovine Currencyposted 15 years ago
I can think of a few people who wish they had considered abortion. Not looking at anyone specific of course so don't get your knickers in a knot. Feel free to read between the lines though.
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Writer Riderposted 15 years ago
Personally, I can never imagine aborting a child. Mine has been so endearing, I can't imagine life without a baby I conceived. Still, there are others with a history who should never be allowed a child.
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Writer Riderposted 15 years ago
-In a perfect world every child would be born to loving, capable -parents (two of them in an intact, stable relationship). The -reality is far, far from that. There is no test people have to -pass to have kids. You have sex and you run the risk of getting -knocked up. Even with protection.

There are those with a criminal history of doing heinous things. They should have a vascetomy, their tubes tied...whatever.
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Black Lillyposted 15 years ago
I never had anything to do with abortions yet, but I always knew I'd do it if I got pregnant. I'm not ready, and this is it, nothing else matters.
Selfish - yes.
But I want to give something to my kids, especially childhood.
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prettydarkhorseposted 15 years ago
there are many reasons why women resort to abortion

baby is due to incest
due to rape
financial unpreparedness
mothers life is in danger
emotionally unprepared
too many children already
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  At least half that list is utterly indefensible.
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caravalhophotoposted 15 years ago
When I was 16 years old, I went down to Planned Parenthood and received counseling, rubbers and got on birth control. I did not have to ask my Mom to go with me, infact it was a school friend that went. Unfortunetly in some States girls do not have a place like Planned Parenthood they can turn to or the law requires a parent to attend...uuugghhhh.
Okay, two years later, not resposible enough to take my birth control pills as scheduled, I become pregnant. I go down to Planned Parenthood, listen to my options. Have and raise the baby...(okay, am not responsible enough to prevent this pregnancy) Have the baby and put it up for adoption...(18 years old, not responsible and to selfish to even consider) Have an abortion...(?)
Well, I married the father (while in HS) had my Son on graduation night June 8th, had a baby girl 2 years later and was divorced and raising kids on my own by 24. We struggled, lived in our car and somehow today, with the kids 28 and 26, raising their own kids, we look back on those days and laugh at the fun times we did have...the 3 muskateeers.
Truth be told, I did make an appointment to have an abortion, I went to that appointment and when it was all said and done,I was more afraid of having that procedure, then I was of telling my Mom I was pregnant...nothing moral about my decision, it was fear...I'm glad regardless that I had that little boy and I thank God for putting that fear in me.
I do not judge people on their personal choices, in the end, we all have to live with the choices we make...no matter what motivates us to the decision.
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  aguasilverposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you, that's the best reply I've seen yet, one experienced based, rather than emotive or logic based.
  
  I was supposed to be aborted for my mothers health, she refused, we both survived. (no sly comment Mark!)
  
  I was the cause of at least two abortions in my youth, by my lack of concern and education about life. I have deeply regretted that fact for many years.
  
  My wife and I have suffered several miscarriages.
  
  I (even as a male) understand some about abortion, and remember abortions cause emotional damage to men as well as women.
  
  98% of abortions are carried out for convenience reasons.
  
  That fact is a sad reflection on our society, especially as in the world today the ONLY people who are producing enough children to even replace themselves are the Muslin societies, and whether we want to or not, in 50 years America and Europe will become Muslin states by popular vote.
  
  That may not be a problem (certainly not for me, I'm 58 now!)but it will make an interesting change in things, because under Sharia law, abortion will not be legal and certainly not a convenience option.
  
  So the irony is that the current secular society will literally vote itself into oblivion by it decision to legalise abortion in 1964.... within 100 years this society as you know and love it will cease to exist.
  
  Welcome to Afghanistan as the Talian say!
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  Writer Riderposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I want to abort this thread.
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  Writer Riderposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Where do you get your statistics? And responsible parenting is more important.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  LOL
  
  He makes them up.
  
  Telling lies for Jesus is acceptable if you are promoting God's agenda.
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  aguasilverposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh Hi Mark,
  
  I guessed you would surface somewhere, OK, so I will need to cite ALL the sources once again, to prove you are blowing hot air, just like I did the other night concerning whatever it was you denied was true even though five reputable scientific sources provided my information.
  
  Readers and fellow hubbers can take a look, and see that MK just ignored what was proven, as he does all inconvenient truths that do not fit with his super intelligent concepts of self advancement.
  
  http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/27132?page=21
  
  John
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  LOL
  
  You are not honestly expecting to be taken seriously are you?
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  aguasilverposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well I guess the readers will be the judge of that, all I do is present facts, if people want to refute the evidence of leading scientists because it does not fit their personal agenda, that's their choice and decision.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Present facts?
  
  Not sure calling a reference in the bible to dragons meaning dinosaurs were on Noah's ark would be considered a "fact".
  
  But - I know - lying for jesus is OK. I get it. Thanks.
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  aguasilverposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  errr... government websites, I guess they wouldn't lie, but I'll check them out again and try to post chapter and verse for you.
  
  Yes, responsible parenting is more important, however when we (as a society) allow and even encourage a situation where the sanctity of the family is shattered and young people are encouraged NOT to stay together 'for the sake of the children'.... then our society signs it's death warrant and those who fully understand 'go forth and multiply' win the day.
  
  Which as I said is OK, except the society we know will change radically once Islam rules the western world.
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tksenseiposted 15 years ago
Yeah, after all men aren't living humans so we should just keep quiet, right?
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  Black Lillyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Definitely not.
  Just abortion being at question means a man has already performed his part. In all possible ways.
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Miss Belgraviaposted 15 years ago
The reasons women have abortions are as individual as their circumstances. And the decision is no one's business but their own. Women have had abortions since the beginning of time, but at least these days, they can do so safely and not worry about dying or being put in jail for it. The "promise" to abolish abortion has been used by the Republicans for decades now as a political weapon to attract the type of people who thrive on telling other people how to run their lives. It's not going to happen. Give it up. Live your own life, and let everyone else make their own decisions.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  EVERYONE?
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Great comment
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sneakorocksolidposted 15 years ago
Because a child is considered inconvienent and disposable.
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  pylos26posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sneako...It does not matter what the consideration is...if one wants to terminate a pregnacy...by god its her body and decision...life is the cheapest thing on this planet...it grows everywhere, all the time, and at a cost of nothing.
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sneakorocksolidposted 15 years ago
Well I suppose if we live in a world absent of any conscious or morality. Who speaks for the child?
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  pylos26posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  NO child exist to speak for.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Dehumanizing ONESELF in order to hide from the issue accomplishes nothing.
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  pylos26posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And your opinion is truth because...???
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Regardless of where people stand on the issue, it IS an issue involving questions of life and death. To pretend that it is not is just hiding from the issue rather than holding a position on it.
  
  If I were to support the death penalty by trying to pretend criminals are not human and therefore it's not a question of taking a human life, that would be equally disingenuous.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It is not a child it is a foetus. Like it or not but an unborn child has no more likeness to a child than a moderately intelligent farm animal.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You were given a chance at life.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And? Fact remains. It is not an unborn child that is destroyed. It is the beginnings of what one day could be a child. People die all the time. Alive people. Actual people. There are infinite examples of moral issues that deserve attention.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You're for flush-it too.
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Mighty Momposted 15 years ago
Try taking your morality over to China and see how well it plays there.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Just like here, there are people with different views on the mattter.
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sneakorocksolidposted 15 years ago
You don't have the guts to admit you would kill a child. You have to make the child an"It" so you can keep your conscious clean. The laws on your side and I will always obey the law.
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sneakorocksolidposted 15 years ago
So if there are other people in the gutter then it must be OK.
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pylos26posted 15 years ago
Sneako...I'll lighten up if you will...very little to argue about here.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I respect your opinion and I do think abortion is a valid medical procedure, just not on demand. I have no fight with you.
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Mighty Momposted 15 years ago
I obey the law as well.
Do not get me wrong. I feel strongly that children are precious and they should be loved and protected -- once they are born.

As a society we cannot impose "parenting" laws on our citizens, although it would be a great idea.

As stated in a post above, abortion has been around for centuries. Much better to make it safe and legal for women who must exercise that option. The hope would be -- with the availability of birth control and education -- fewer unplanned pregnancies.

I don't know much about your day-to-day life tk and sneak, but I do admire your fortitude. You stick to your guns and that's good. I can tell you from "families" I have seen -- working with battered women and their kids and now working with addicts/alcoholics -- "quality of life" needs to be factored in there as well.
What kind of life is it to watch your dad beat your mom to a pulp on a regular basis? What kind of life is it to have CPS take you away from your mom because she's in prison and a drug addict?

I am asking this question in all seriousness. The moral argument about sanctity of life is B/W. But what about the social strain of people having kids who can't care for them or afford them? It seems to me the same people who are all in favor of no abortions are also those who dislike the communist social programs that help the poor/disenfranchised out.
No?
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Mighty Momposted 15 years ago
wsp -- supergirl will return after the holidays. don't you like my santa outfit?
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  wsp2469posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Okay, yeah, I DO like the Santa outfit too and I hope MR. Mighty Mom gets his special present in wrapping similar to that but to ME . . . you'll always be "Super", girl.
  
  (Sorry.)
  
  The rest of you need to lighten up and go write a hub. Improve your hub count and give each other a break at the same time.
  
  You all realize you're all arguing in a hub called: "What motivates people to DO(sic)abortion?"
  
  Opinions are like . . . well, you know . . .
  
  My name is Phoenix and . . . that's the bottom line.
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sneakorocksolidposted 15 years ago
I agree it's an issue but a mature sexually active adult should not even get undressed without that worked out first because conception is always a possibility.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What sexually active adults SHOULD do is clearly not the answer. It is what they ARE doing and thinking about the consequences is NOT what all people do. I am sure that is possible to understand for you.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So if you have a night where you behave like a dog in heat and conception occurs then just flush-it, problem solved.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  This seems to be an assumption you think that everytime someone has sex with someone else, that the female is actually going to get pregnant, and that's not always the case. And, those who do have unprotected sex is a choice, of both people.
  
  The fact that this topic 'abortion' is actually being debated is ridiculous, because the fact that it is up to the person or persons who are involved and NOT OUTSIDE others.
  
  It's ridiculous that the people in America seem like it's okay to tell others what to do with their life, when the TRUTH is that YOU shouldn't be meddling in the affairs of others. It's NOT your place.
  
  Your religious beliefs and knowledge is clouding your judgement and leading to believe it is alright to stick your nose in where it doesn't belong.
  
  You do this on every occassion when YOU don't like something. Why don't you live your life and let others live theirs.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Fine just don't work to the destruction of our sociaty.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  If it isn't born it can't destroy our society. Look at all the once innocent children now peddling drugs, credit cards, right wing politics and gun trading all over the world. Easy as pie!
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You have two votes for flush-it.
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sneakorocksolidposted 15 years ago
What would be great is if you could manage some morals.
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pylos26posted 15 years ago
Please don't tell me that is a valid comparison.
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tksenseiposted 15 years ago
You might not like it, but it is.
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pylos26posted 15 years ago
I disagree.
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prettydarkhorseposted 15 years ago
I will only approve of abortion if the mothers life is in danger period...

it is a social issue by the way,
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Actually, it's not even a social issue. It shouldn't be an issue at all.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So you're for flush-it.
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Bovine Currencyposted 15 years ago
Whatever it is. I look at it this way, if its not in my womb its not my business. If I or you or anyone wants to save a life there are plenty of ways to go about it. Ironically, the same people I see on pro-life are the ones you see pro-firearms anti social reform, anti-health care....the examples of such hypocrisy are unimaginable and just plain ridiculous. Nobody with a decent head on their shoulders will pay any attention to such haphazard, illogical, politically self-centered arguments.
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  Cagsilposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Agreed.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You're for flush-it.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I am for free will and tolerance and I like fries.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Meaning flush-it.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Meaning connect the letters to spell words, follow that formula, you get a sentence and the meaning will be revealed when you learn the meaning of the word t o l e r a n c e
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So flush-it?
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Whatever floats your boat(eus)
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Denno66posted 15 years ago
It's Human nature to butt into other people's business; it distracts one from their own shortcomings.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  butt
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You're for flush-it as well.
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Black Lillyposted 15 years ago
Count me in - I'm for flush-it, if that's the way you call it.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  that was easier. I concur.
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  Black Lillyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I just see no further point in arguing here, so try to isolate the issue and use the term that the other party admitted to accept and understand.
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Bovine Currencyposted 15 years ago
@tksensei. What is offensive is that you can flat out deny the abusive comments you have made about all those minority groups.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Go ahead and show me these "abusive comments" or apologize for the accusation.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I am reallllly sorry, but I don't have the time right now to go back over 4 weeks of forums. I'm sure it hurts to face the truth and I am sorry for waving it in your face.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It's not a matter of time, it's a matter of those comments not existing. Not coming from me in any case. The false accusations and misrepresentations are not appreciated or appropriate.
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shinujohn2008posted 15 years ago
Abortions are done if the contraceptive measures fail , or when unwanted pregnancies arise due to rapes. In some most cases when the couples are not ready for a child.
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wsp2469posted 15 years ago
I thought so too. That's why I spend most of my time in more productive pursuits such as doing some REAL writing.
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topgunjagerposted 15 years ago
fear of responsibility
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Writer Riderposted 15 years ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3ek0hTdlPA
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BEAUTYBABEposted 15 years ago
I think when a young girl finds out she is pregnant her first thought is that she is scared of telling her parents. If she has a good relationship with her parents usually things can be worked out for her and they help her with arrangements. However, when a girl who has not had any kind of education about sex and birth control,finds herself pregnant, all she can think about is how did this happen and what do I do. A lot of the time they are on their own with no means of support and just able to look after themselves and adding a baby to that equation simply terrifies them. They see abortion as their best option because once they have the abortion the problem is gone, no more baby. However, some girls go on to feel the guilt of "getting rid of their baby" for a long time to come, even the rest of their lives.They keep asking themselves "did I do the right thing?". If a girl's parents are very well known then the daughter's pregnancy would be very embarassing indeed, so it is often their decision rather than the daughter's to abort the baby even if she wants to keep her baby.Even though she wants to keep her baby, her parents decide that that is not in her best interest, while all along, they are doing this so they won't be embarrassed.This actually happened to a girl I went to school with, so I know for sure that this can and does happen. I know too, that she still thinks about that baby every year at the time it would have been due. She has three girls that she loves very much now. BB
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tksenseiposted 15 years ago
Is this the religion forum?
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  kerrygposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Do you really expect people to be able to discuss abortion without bringing up religion?
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, I do. And I certainly expect that it can be done without becoming yet another in the endless collection of "I think I'm intelligent because I hate religion!" threads that pollute the religion forum.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You mean you would prefer it degenerates into a "please attack me I am a troll" thread that you some how manage to get all threads you are involved in to become?
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  aguasilverposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think tksensei is referring to Mark Knowles attacking what I said, which was NOT religious, but aimed at presenting the fact that abortion will eventually be the root cause of our societal collapse as religious Islamic people will out breed secular and people within 50 years.
  
  Which would then make abortion illegal, as it would make many western 'pleasures' illegal.
  
  Anyhow, I will leave the forum on this, I've said my piece and don't need to have MK drag in his cohorts to use this thread to try and silence those he hates.
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