In all seriousness, why are people standing with Kim?

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  1. Josh Ratzburg profile image81
    Josh Ratzburgposted 3 years ago

    In all seriousness, why are people standing with Kim?

    If a fry cook at McDonalds decides to be a vegetarian and therefore decides that no one coming to that McDonalds can have a Big Mac. Would they be fired?

  2. Misfit Chick profile image74
    Misfit Chickposted 3 years ago

    What a great way to twist the perspective and put this question!! smile

  3. gmwilliams profile image82
    gmwilliamsposted 3 years ago

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    Many are supporting Ms. Davis because some of those are of the same or similar belief as Ms. Davis.  They strongly maintain that same sex and other rights of the LGBT community are against their religious teachings.  They believe in the more traditional aspects of family life.  They strongly contend that Ms. Davis is a "strong, moral" person for standing her ground which they feel is the "onslaught of 'traditional' family values and morality" in this postmodern America.   A fraction of these people are even elevating Ms. Davis to hero, even martyr status.  This fraction indicates that Ms. Davis is suffering persecution, even being castigated for her religious fervor/belief.

    There is another segment who even though do not believe as Ms. Davis does regarding same sex and other LGBT issues, assert that Ms. Davis has freedom to religion and to practice it as she sees fit.  They staunchly maintain that Ms. Davis should not have been penalized for practicing/asserting what they see is Ms. Davis' basic religious rights.  They contain that it is NOT Ms. Davis but the government who is at fault regarding the issue at hand.  They maintain that Ms. Davis should have been accommodated as regards her particular religious beliefs and be allowed to stay at her job without difficulty.  According to them, Ms. Davis' rights was cruelly violated.

    Yet another segment maintained that Ms. Davis is a beacon of freedom against what this third segment sees as an increasingly tyrannical government which is infringing on all Americans' rights regardless of beliefs and perspectives.  They see the government as increasingly intrusive, telling Americans what they should and should not do, believe, and practice.  They view Ms. Davis as one of the last hope of freedom and protest for the rights of every American.

    1. Josh Ratzburg profile image81
      Josh Ratzburgposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      There would be less of an issue if anyone else at the office was able to provide marriage license to gay couples, but she is preventing that too. Which is preventing other people who are probably ok with it to not be able to do their job either.

    2. gmwilliams profile image82
      gmwilliamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, what she is doing is insubordination and creating a toxic work environment.  However, there are those proponents who view her actions as right, even just because of religion, civil rights, or defying the government.

    3. Kiss andTales profile image76
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Also peeples what you call old is not old
      The bibles clearly gives laws as well about safety and health,  mental values that really work, we benifit when people practice these. Not killing, not stealling, not to hate,
      That will never be old.

    4. peeples profile image94
      peeplesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      How do you benefit from someone elses marriage not being allowed?

    5. Kiss andTales profile image76
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Also peeples this is truth
      Ro 1:27 likewise also the males left the natural use of the female and became violently inflamed in their lust toward one another, males with males, working what is obscene and receiving in themselves the full penalty,

    6. Josh Ratzburg profile image81
      Josh Ratzburgposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Ro 13 All of you must obey the government rulers. Everyone who rules was given the power to rule by God. And all those who rule now were given that power by God. So anyone who is against the government is really against something God has commanded

    7. peeples profile image94
      peeplesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      You failed to answer the question. Those are YOUR beliefs and you are entitled to them, but how does anyone being denied a right to marry benefit anyone?

    8. Kiss andTales profile image76
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      These relationships hurt themselfs, because they are not natural as created for.
      The percent of Angelic creations did the same thing but was a great reason the earth was cleaned off by flood waters.
      Again we are repeating history in moral values.

    9. peeples profile image94
      peeplesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Ok this is becoming delusional. I will walk away. Good luck Josh, but there comes a time in a conversation where you realize there is no point. Have a good rest of day y'all.

    10. Kiss andTales profile image76
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      True they are violently inflamed before marriage,  the point is God is against it
      And it hurts the people in it.

  4. Kiss andTales profile image76
    Kiss andTalesposted 3 years ago

    Well people can look at the bigger picture if your Goverment tells you to do something, how far will you go ,what is limit and limitations,  let's adjust your example , if McDonald's told you to feed customers contaminated
    Food you knew would make people sick or even die and you knew your friends , family and neighbors come there and eat, what would you do ? believe me this subject will change meanings under new titles,  again maybe next time it will not be about gay marriage,  it could be a about your money , your property , your health,  your family,
    Everybody should know that saying by now people who do not stand up for something can fall for anything .
    What you have no problem with
    Next time it will be something you will. That will touch your soul.

    1. Josh Ratzburg profile image81
      Josh Ratzburgposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      No one is being physically harmed. Sure if the government said, "you must poison anyone who walks through those doors," there would be an issue, but that's not the case. She is just required to FOLLOW the LAW. A law that doesn't hurt anyone.#LoveWins

    2. gmwilliams profile image82
      gmwilliamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Exactly, Josh, what Ms. Davis is required to do ISN'T harming anyone in the least. The Supreme Court decision is positive. It was not a hurtful law like the laws instituted in Nazi Germany or other anti-humanistic regimes.The law was a humane one

    3. Josh Ratzburg profile image81
      Josh Ratzburgposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      That isn't the same. What is with everyone and not wanting people to be happy? How in anyway does a gay couple impact your life, other than you having to hear it on TV?

    4. peeples profile image94
      peeplesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      I'd quit THEN I would boycott. I sure wouldn't try to stand at the counter telling people not to buy, and expect for McDonalds to keep giving me a paycheck. Simple, don't like what a company is asking you to do, quit. Then you're free to make a stand

    5. Kiss andTales profile image76
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Why then is this law just now being approved from generations of being wrong,
      There is a principle involved, God's or man's
      law, so God's feelings does not matter is very callous unloving, he grants life to each of us, Now the world says so what ?

    6. peeples profile image94
      peeplesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Maybe the law is just being passed because it took this long for Prejudice old school mentality to be over ridden. It doesn't matter though, laws are laws, follow them or go to jail. If a job goes against your PERSONALbeliefs why stay? Why not quit?

    7. Josh Ratzburg profile image81
      Josh Ratzburgposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      How long did it take for black people to be free? Or after they were free, how long did it take for them to count as a whole human being? The world evolves things change, read through Leviticus and tell me you follow all those laws.

    8. Kiss andTales profile image76
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      I agree peeples why stay on a Job you know somewhere may violate your conscious or relationship with your creator or Father, but I do not agree with the fact that throwing some one in jail over a document. Keeping them from family, and isolating.

    9. Josh Ratzburg profile image81
      Josh Ratzburgposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      "Contempt of court, often referred to simply as "contempt", is the offense of being disobedient to or disrespectful towards a court of law and its officers in the form of behavior that opposes or defies authority, justice, and dignity of the court."

    10. peeples profile image94
      peeplesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      She was given the option to resign. That would have kept her out of jail because it would have stopped her from breaking the law. People go to jail for a plant. That piece of paper is a right, she could simply resign and be out of jail.

    11. Kiss andTales profile image76
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      So Peeples as an example if the law says it is lawful to break in your neighbor house for food would that be right in your mind , because you are hungry.
      So because you will not break in now you will be put in jail because you refuse to do so.

    12. peeples profile image94
      peeplesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Comparing apples and oranges. Stealing hurts someone. Marriage between 2 consenting adults hurts no one. Please provide proof how this hurts you or anyone else, then I may reconsider my view.

    13. Kiss andTales profile image76
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Peeples if this hurts no one then it should not hurt the person that disagrees,
      The person's who disagrees is attacked and isolated,
      The bible being the word of God strictly says it is wrong, it also says why.
      One reason not Adam and Adam married

    14. Josh Ratzburg profile image81
      Josh Ratzburgposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Read Leviticus, we would all be put to death ... Leviticus 19: 19 Keep my decrees.
      “‘Do not mate different kinds of animals.

      “‘Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed.
      “‘Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material.

    15. peeples profile image94
      peeplesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      The only ones attacked for their beliefs are the ones FORCING their belief on others. This is not persecution, this is following law. The one attempting to FORCE her beliefs on others is violating the LAW, which is why she is being attacked.

    16. Kiss andTales profile image76
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Ro 1:27likewise also the males left the natural use of the female and became violently inflamed ,
      The point is there is violence involved in these relationships,  I know of three , and  one case where the other stab the other in the back as a lover

    17. Josh Ratzburg profile image81
      Josh Ratzburgposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Kiss and Tales:
      What? I'm completely confused by your last comment.

    18. Kiss andTales profile image76
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Josh what the scriptures bring out that these relationships have violent flames of passion, any violence could not be a good thing, violence is a crime in society,  I have known this scripture to be true stories told
      By many and their experience

    19. peeples profile image94
      peeplesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Violence is your excuse? You realize how much abuse has been in heterosexual couples for eternity right? Their marrying has nothing to do with it.

    20. Kiss andTales profile image76
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      The relationship will yield penalty as written
      Very true.

    21. Josh Ratzburg profile image81
      Josh Ratzburgposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Yeah, hasn't there been this huge "End Domestic Violence" movement over the last year?

    22. Kiss andTales profile image76
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      True Josh , they do not admit this is a issue
      But the bible does not lie, as it says violent passion, I seen and heard of  this violence and it is very common in their relationships.
      Sodom and Gomorrah is really a history and end results.  Gone

    23. peeples profile image94
      peeplesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Statistics prove that Domestic violence % is the same in LGBT relationships as homosexual relationships. Gosh I need to learn to walk away, but people being selectively ignorant to the facts drives me crazy!

    24. Josh Ratzburg profile image81
      Josh Ratzburgposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      The Bible also has some pretty barbaric laws that we don't follow today. Why do we get to pick and choose what we want from the bible?

    25. Kiss andTales profile image76
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      First peeples the statistics I just read say their domestic violence is higher, and because the factor that they are a minority
      Contributes.
      And Josh true people cherry pick, to have good relationship with your creator that would not be possible,

    26. peeples profile image94
      peeplesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Then you read wrong, NON BIAS studies done time and time again show 20-30%. Which is the same as straight. Get past the first 3 pages of google and read something that wasn't a study done by people that think like you.

    27. Kiss andTales profile image76
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      First peeples you do not know where I read the statistics from , yet you tell me to get past the people who think like me, maybe you can use your own advice. But violence is still an issue and it does hurt those on these relationships. The point.

    28. peeples profile image94
      peeplesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Do you not know what non bias means, it means they fit NO ONE'S agenda. So I'm not reading liberal studies. Violence is an issue, but stop blaming gay people for that when it was done LONG before being gay was common.

    29. Josh Ratzburg profile image81
      Josh Ratzburgposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Regardless, let's say you're right about the violence. That won't  change whether or not they are married... it is a moot point.

    30. Kiss andTales profile image76
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Then why is it a study of statics done if there was no concern.
      It is as the bible says violence of passion, because it is un natural of same sex relations.
      No matter what a person says or show , people have made their minds up .
      What they want.

    31. Josh Ratzburg profile image81
      Josh Ratzburgposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Again, whether or not a couple is married will not change the rate in which abuse happens. It is a moot point.

  5. word55 profile image68
    word55posted 3 years ago

    The scenario of a fry cook and Kim's situation are different and irrelevant to each other. One is about food choices and the other is about governmental policy as well as a newly instituted law. I agree with Kim personally but it is not personal. It is public policy of a new law. If I'm a real estate agent and a same sex married couple wants to buy a house then I should not allow my personal feelings about it. I should just serve them as professionally as I could with upholding all laws, rules and regulations as I am licensed to do. If people want to stand with her then that is also their right to do. I admire her but she is paid to follow what her job description entails. She shouldn't have allowed herself to be thrown in jail. Living in jail is an utmost terrible thing. The sacrifice is not worth it. She's missing out on liberty, life and pursuit of happiness. It's Labor Day, the last American holiday of the summer and where is she? Not with her family. I wonder, is she married with a family. If nothing gets accomplished she has spawned national attention for herself. Maybe she has plans to write a book of some sort. "I'm not mad at her." -smile

    1. Kiss andTales profile image76
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      And Josh how can you judge from imperfections as, a human , what is barbaric , he is perfect on all his activities
      and keeps living , when our life span is short.that means he know way more then we will ever know.

    2. Josh Ratzburg profile image81
      Josh Ratzburgposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      So you follow all the laws of Leviticus?

    3. Kiss andTales profile image76
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Josh did you sign an agreement as an Israelite to go into the promise land and did you say you would keep all these commandments with a priest to represent you in gift sacrefice ?
      The old testement was a contract between God and Isreal ,not us today

    4. Josh Ratzburg profile image81
      Josh Ratzburgposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      That is my argument, why do we pick and choose which laws of Leviticus we follow?

  6. connorj profile image79
    connorjposted 3 years ago

    I am not standing with Kim Davis; however, indeed she has a valid legal argument. It is simply a solid position and raises the question; under what law is she authorized to issue homosexual couples a marriage license?
    The Supreme Court cannot and did not make a law. They only made a ruling on a law. Congress makes the laws. Because Congress has made no law allowing for same-sex marriage yet, Kim does not have the Constitutional authority to issue a marriage license to homosexual couples yet. Although that will probably change soon...

    1. Josh Ratzburg profile image81
      Josh Ratzburgposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      There is no law saying a gay couple cannot get married... There was a clarification of a law that says all people can get married, which is their job.

  7. bradmasterOCcal profile image39
    bradmasterOCcalposted 3 years ago

    Why doesn't president Obama follow and support the current immigration laws//

    1. Kiss andTales profile image76
      Kiss andTalesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Josh I believe in every part of the bible, maybe in your opinion you see that some one is picking , how so , because the same thought is in the New Testament as well, as posted scriptures, earlier in 1 Corinthians
      Also look at Jude 7 , very clear.

  8. Selena Meyers profile image61
    Selena Meyersposted 3 years ago

    That is a good point but, this kind of job is different. She had to choose between her religious freedom and her job which is very difficult to do. So in the process, she chose her religious freedom which is in the Constitution which is not taught in schools anymore. In a sad conclusion, she goes to jail. Would you want your religious freedom which was given to you since the Constitution was made or your job which might be just temporary? That's the question I have for you.

    1. Josh Ratzburg profile image81
      Josh Ratzburgposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      I think we are confusing religious freedom with religious bullying. She has a requirement to uphold the law by the job she was sworn into. It wouldn't be AS big of a deal if she would allow her other clerks to provide licenses, but she wasn't.

 
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