How is it that people can see persecution that isn't actually there?

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   jlparkposted 8 years ago

   How is it that people can see persecution that isn't actually there?
   
   this IS NOT bashing anyone or any faith. It's a question based on an observation. Persecution isn't being disagreed with, it isn't someone who has an issue with yr faith or sexual orientation. Persecution is maltreatment based on a difference - b it faith, sexual orientation, skin colour etc. physical + emotional abuse etc.  Yet in the last few days I've seen several comments that accuse others of bashing them claiming 'victim' etc,when people were merely disagreeing or saying something they disliked + didn't agree with (but not personal) - why r people seeing persecution where there's none?

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   Austinstarposted 8 years ago

   Wow, I hope you get more than the standard whining and complaining here. I would love to know how a disagreement turns into "obsessive atheism" or turning a descripition into an epithet, like liberal = libtard works.
   But I suspect you won't really get anything of substance. Certainly no "real" persecution analogies.

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      jlparkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I hope so too - I'd really like a good discussion on it, as many don't understand what actual persecution is.

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   Say Yes To Lifeposted 8 years ago

   I've noticed that a lot.  I think it's like being a hypochondriac - they revel in being persecuted.
   "The wicked flee when no one pursues, but the righteous are as bold as a lion.". Proverbs 28:1.

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      jlparkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Maybe you're right. . Interesting verse, thanks!

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      Austinstarposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Nice! There is an occassional piece of biblical wisdom that resonates. Although there is probably an equal and opposite piece of wisdom that will also show up from the same books.

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      Say Yes To Lifeposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I've also noticed people who are the most fanatical about the Bible and quickest to criticize others know the least. It is easy to quote Bible verses against them!

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      Austinstarposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I know, right. Tonight we are fighting over free will (again), and someone is saying that a rapist has free wiil, but won't answer why a 4 y.o. child would Not have free will to choose NOT to be raped and killed. Her f.w. doesn't matter?

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      Say Yes To Lifeposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      In the early 1990s, when I lived in Silicon Valley, I used to listen to Family Radio. They would have these sound bites called, "Freedom UnderFire", about Christians losing their rights in the US. I never knew what they lost - but what about 2011???

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      LoliHeyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      As a Christian, I do not revel in being persecuted.  Another translation of that verse:  The wicked are edgy with guilt, ready to run off even when no one’s after them; Honest people are relaxed and confident, bold as lions--taken from The Message.

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      jlparkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Good to hear Loli. It seems however, here and elsewhere, that often when someone is denied a right to discriminate against another, they claim persecution. Also, I've seen a few here lately who seem 2 misinterpret as bashing whn disagreed with.

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   WordCrafter09posted 8 years ago

   I'd think that in at least some instances if a person on here (say, "Person A") thinks there's persecution when the other person (call him, "Person B") didn't intend it that way at all, there's a good chance that Person A has run into some type of persecution frequently over the course of his life and/or has not had someone (like a parent) when he was growing up who could have explained to him when something actually was persecution and when it wasn't (or that all disagreement is not persecution).  If kids don't have someone (a parent) who can help with this type of "finer points of socialization" when they're young enough to still be listening but old enough to have reached that particular stage in their development; then they grow up without having someone help them sort out the difference.
   
   The thing about "persecution", though, is that just because Person B may not intend it and/or may not see what Person A has dealt with for a good part of his life, it doesn't mean that Person A is "guilty" of anything more than not ALWAYS recognizing those differences (between persecution and "not").
   
   What does not help communication/the situation between the two people is that far too many people have a little bit of narcissism going on when they think they can judge the thinking of a Person A - because before Person A and Person B "met" on here each of them has had a whole life, existence, and whatever else an individual person has that is well beyond a discussion on a site like this.
   
   I'm always bothered to see a Person B assume there's "something wrong with" a Person A; because while there well could be, there's also the very high likelihood that Person A has lived with something Person B has no clue about AND if the communication problem (between the two people) is just because Person A didn't have the benefit of a parent who knew how to do their job when their child was at the stage of needing "finer points of socialization" it's particularly sickening to think that a Person B will "have an opinion about him" for "the sin" or "flaw" of not having a parent nearby who could/would/did do an effective job at "finer points of socialization".
   
   To me, if a Person A thinks a Person B is "up to persecution", best for Person B to simply say, I"m sorry that's how it came across to you, because I didn't intend it that way," - and then everyone just move on (to somewhere else other than the discussion).

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      jlparkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks for that well thought oh answer. Makes a lot of sense. Unfortunately, the 'sorry, wasn't meant that way' often doesn't get heard even if said. I've had to go as far as 'hey, there is no persecution here, it's an opinion/thought'.

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   Oztinatoposted 8 years ago

   It's easy to percieve the persecutors of religion as they obsessively ask insulting questions about religious people but claim such questions are being innocently asked. The claim that continual hateful "questions " are not hateful is sickening hypocrisy. This type of behaviour is stark to those whose ethics are intact.

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      jlparkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Except what you describe is disagreement, not persecution.
      Just as when those same types of questions are asked of atheists is not persecution, but disagreement. And both sides are guilty of doing the same thing here.

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   tamarawilhiteposted 8 years ago

   When the Department of Justice defends Muslism who refuse to drive trucks with alcohol per their faith, but Christians who refuse to provide a service as part of a wedding they find blasphemous get sued by the state in many different states, the double standard is easy to see as persecution.
   When Muslim students get prayer rooms in schools and Christian kids are told to hide a Bible and never discuss religion, it is elevation of Islam over Christianity.
   When homosexual printers can refuse to print pro-traditional-marriage banners as freedom of political speech, but a Christian printer MUST print the opposite marriage because the pro-same-sex marriage is a protected class, it is hypocritical - and the Colorado Civil Rights Commission issued those rulings a month apart.
   When the state has said your side is religiously based and can't say no, their side is political and can say no, it is the government bias for particular viewpoints.

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      jlparkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Understood. I did actually mean here in Hubpages, but double standards are awful. can you post some links to those rulings - I'd like to take a read.  However, the Religous Freedom Bills are an example - when rgt to discrim is denied, they cry persec

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      LoliHeyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Jacqui, How is it that you haven't heard about this stuff on the news?  It's happening in the USA all the time. I have not run across anyone on HP claiming persecution.

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      jlparkposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I'm not in the USA so I don't watch yr news. I see it here a lot. Claiming bashing of something when merely disagreement, coming across as victim in conversations where a statement is made, and misinterpreted.read comments from pop Q+A lately....

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   WithMettaposted 8 years ago

   Ideologies gain traction through crybullying - that is, playing victim to take advantage of the sympathies of others to gain social and political power.

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