How can the U.S. heal its political divides?
We're increasingly in a tribal mentality of red vs. blue. As a libertarian, I'm concerned that people are not able to get along or do what's best for the country anymore; they want two dramatically opposed visions for the future of the country and do not seem willing to make compromises for stability and peace. People are beating up Donald Trump supporters. While it seems that the nation is moving forward on issues we all tend to agree on, like marijuana and gay marriage, other things like feminism and BLM cause hatred and turmoil. Can society recover from all this nasty tribalism?
It would take time to bridge the divide, about 10 years after We the people realize the Problems are caused by local state and federal law makers. I don't know how long it will take for we the people to realize that Laws and the lack of laws and regulations transcends race and ethic grouping in there affect on all Americans regardless of race and their economics. Americans must replace extreme Conservatives and extreme liberals with moderates that want to make laws and regulations that applies to all the people and regulate the corporations and capitalism to benefit the poor and needed. Jobs would will really help at this time in the US and the GOP has been promising jobs for people since the 2010 mid-term elections. Too much time is being wasted it don't look good,but, who knows...
unfortunately, gay marriage and marijuana WILL become issues again with sessions as ag. and then, back to outlawing abortion and more racial profiling. the new labor nominee has been sued for sexual harrassment, doesnt believe workers need better pay, and the nominees for environmental issues dont believe in global warming. exxon man as sos...when his company worked against us interests....moving embassy to jerusalem, knowing it will fire off a powder keg...this is what is dividing! our whole values and belief systems are in 360% opposite direction.
and its a little late, and frankly unfair to expect those on the liberal side to play nice, when its been 8 years of beating us down in any way possible.
want to get along? apoligize.
Yes attitudes like yours do seemingly cause a divide of opinions. But that is not a divide in our country. We have to have at least to positions (dem-Rep) I disagree but respect your opinion and I did not beat you down.
not you personally...the republican party. and dems are responding to the divide, caused by republicans refusing to work with our president. they can begin the healing by apologizing.
Really Leslie, you think it is lopsided like Demos are victims? Alright it you say so. But that would mean that Reps are winners and successful aggressors. As a citizen, given the choice I pretty much chose winners over victims. ????
aggressors, yes. winners, no. never thought much of bullies, and still dont.if you call keeping life-saving healthcare from people winning,that just shows our different set of values. it must be absolutely terrifying for so many americans,im LIVID!
No friend it is not about winning this battle or that. Lawyers and generals do that stuff and I think doctors in OR. No we are talking winning whatever conflict or negotiation you are in. I get it, you think that a kid that wins in schoolyards is bad
this is ALL about winning. its why republicans didnt work with obama, why they gerry-mandered districts, why they have called us america haters for 16 years...we are not fellow citizens, we are enemies in a power game. THAT is the gd problem. IMO
tons of hypocrites in congress. these are the same people who did not pay back student loans, remember. marijuana is a federal question which needs to be answered yes. we already have it in the country and it is going no where. at least tax it
I am very interested in such discussions. I have three older children that live throughout United States. I was lucky to visit them all this last fall. Wow! each of their neighborhoods from San Fran to DC were awesome. Great places for a walk. Friendly people and peaceful. Ethnicities were off the charts everywhere. But none quite like my near border neighborhood. On my block you cannot go three houses in any direction and find three of the same race. My child's school is fantastic. They deal with 11 ESL languages and incorporate and immerse severely disabled kids into mainstream. In the School Site Council that I chair out of eight we have four ethnicities. There is money for all necessities and some extras.
Now we have some gang violence, read that criminals. I am sure there is some domestic abuse. Which is horrible. But there is no violence from one neighbor to another. The local markets are filled with public banter and opines on the latest hot news topics. But I cannot remember the last time I saw what looked like hate in my area.
In short, I believe this "great divide" is a bunch of hyped up BS. Peace don't sell news commercials. These fringe radicals that get all the news cycles are such a tiny reflection of America, just tiny like 0.1%. If you look even the race riotous behavior are all in huge crime areas. Those are not advocates you see on the news they are criminals taking advantage. There is a real anti-social issue with many of the criminal social media freaks that would beat someone and and stream it. That is so danged rare in a country of over 300 million souls. Do not mistake criminals as normal people. God hope there is a huge divide between criminals and law abiding people. But don't go stereo typing because of those freaks of nature.
In my state you are free to be as liberal as you want or as conservative as you want and all our children and adults play with each other just fine.
With all that said, we still need a whole lot more love and compassion. Which is not to say there is plenty out there that we do not hear about.
unfortunately, our new federal gvt wont allow us to be liberal at all. may not affect people...
until it does
Eric in your short at the end you wrote the truth about the great divide. We must all speak truth to lies & you told the whole truth and nothing but the truth I see what you saw when I visit my kids who don't live among the poor & underclass
Leslie - that is part of the beauty of that hated thing called electoral college. It is a state's rights issue. And we are free to move. We get tons of money here on our states liberal agenda for schools and urgent care. A home is vacant next door!
sorry, i dont believe rights depend on what state you live in. some things should be universal, no questions asked.like healthcare, a place to put your head, food on the table, and the freedom to run your life.federal gvt should protect, not destroy.
Junko, perhaps I did not make it more clear as to why we have such money for our schools. It is exactly because our neighborhood is not affluent. And most the funds come from Title 1. For schools with most low income students. Federal.
Eric? I too "believe this "great divide" is a bunch of hyped up BS."
Conflict sells advertising time, rational discourse does not.
where were you for hillary-killary?surely you must have seen it?how about "liberals hate america"...not much for discourse there.or maybe you could check the question about obamas time in office, you want to see divisive. "crooked hillary"..nice
Leslie, I think we become "stupid" to the difference in types of speech. "Killary" is sloganest speech. It has nothing to do with babies at PP who I actually worked for - long story. We understand sound bites. Ridiculous. Prep for a press conf. ????
its very simple eric.if you want us to rise above, so must others.otherwise,they take kindness for weakness and run roughshod over any other voices.there MYRIAD of insulting speech directed at liberals i have seen today. not once have u questioned.
Leslie you made me have to go back and review. As you made me wonder if I was lopsided in objecting to insulting attacks. I could not find one here from the other side. So only your side is doing it here. Makes one think.
i am speaking all throughout hubpages. forums, hubs, questions. its not an anamoly that many of us see it.just read the forums, and the questions-more than one.many times its one liberal fighting back 4 or 5 conservatives:the public space as a whole
Leslie I think your comment is important. We have a tendency to carry over a battle into a peaceful discussion. You are talking to me and I don't do that. Thus creating a divide where there is none. I like to read your point of view. Agree?
ok. im really a sweetheart until you push my buttons...*bats eyes*. haha! yes, agreed.
Perhaps we should try hard to emulate Rev. Dr. King. And be drawn to those who are looking for answers rather than who choose to escalate tensions. While all have a right to engage, we also have the right not to.
well, speaking for myself, i can make the most innocuous comment, and be 1. insulted 2. ridiculed 3. belittled 4. dismissed. i think you should bring your suggestion to the judeo christian right wingers here. they seem to be most hard-headed
Hmm, I writt the sermon weekly for Spiritual of all sorts. Perhaps I should write one also -- pushing the envelope of proper concepts of "congregation" and "community" We should address that neighbor/enemy love concept a little more forcefully.Thanks
how obama was treated-next time anyone wants to mention treating trump with respect:https://youtu.be/J3MI16Bj21M. in complain about trump protests?:http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/04/15/thousands-anti-tax-tea-party-protesters-turn-cities.html
It probably won't recover, simply because of our lying problem -- how's a nation of pathological liars gonna do what's best for their country?
Kara you do not seem like a pathological liar.I don't think I am or any of my friends or acquaintances. The mechanic and the clerk don't seem to lie. Come to think of it I don't even know one. Do you personally?
LMC your hammer found a nail quickly. The President elect is a prime example of a pathological liar.
yes.to be honest with you,i cant believe we're still going through w this charade.i guess stories are written for a reason.one from my childhood,The Emperir Has No Clothes."by their own words,they will be exposed"-Sinead O'Connor, song of same name
Leslie? I am impressed that you personally know the president elect, but saddened to know that you regard him as a pathological liar.
My exposure to pathological liars has only been by rumor. Rumor is what matters most nowadays.
not rumor. "by his own words"..."i did not make fun of that reporter", "ive never met putin", "i have no dealings with russia, or planned dealings", hillary and obama founded isis", "ill release my tax returns if i win""when obama showshis birth cert
I am impressed by the "ignorance" not a slight just an observation. Have you never trash talked publicly?. It seems like you are now. I am certain that if you were competent to negotiate in the international world you would get Trump. Winner!!!
oh please!! that oaf was demanding obamas birth certificate.demanding!said he sent an investigative team to kenya, remember?then, said i will release my taxes when the usurper shows his bc.*crickets* then it was if i win.really, its never.privilege
It appears that you folks do not get out much. What you so naively think what a pathological liar is totally misses the mark. You do not get it but you throw it around just for insult purposes. None of our elected leaders are pathological liars.
Kara, I agree with you. The problem is that too many people follow and emulate these liars.
well, then i would think you would reprimand your fellow conservatives who say liberals hate america. unless you believe that is rooted in fact? and trump said obama founded isis.for what purpose? mote/eye, that kind of thing....
Leslie you make an extremely valid point. The trouble is that you just engage in it from the other-side. Not good and not helpful. I have a daughter that works for the DNCCC and she does not hate the other side, why do you?
i am providing balance to their hate.and trust me, i have felt it, since day one.i just read that trump opponents are "shallow, intellectually challenged and blindly follow foolish rhetoric."what should my response be, "oh come on fellas, be nice"?
Doesn't that kind of sound like the classic escalation problem. Fight fire with fire I suppose. It also makes it seem that the divide is more rhetoric of one up man ship than a divide on substantive issues.
i dont see it that way. i see it as having my voice heard in the milleue they have chosen. for instance, what is the nice, polite way to counter "liberals hate america"? there isnt 1. you want us to bring a knife to their gun fight. go chastise them!
No doubt that you have a valid point Leslie. It would seem that much of the divide is just using inflammatory language not substance. "Liberals are against my vision of/for America" But not completely. We both want....
absolutely. i have been schooled on hate rhetoric since limbaugh came on talk radio, and called clinton the "pot-smoking, draft-dodging philanderer-in-chief". and i personally & firmly believe theres a concerted effort behind it. russia?? ah haaa
I think we can absolutely do better in such area as labeling. Limbaugh is an entertainment person - he says it I believe.
McCarthy and the "commie" label is the best. Oops that was about Russia invading also. Interesting how history repeats.
he was a key note speaker at the 94th congress...hardly just an entertainer. and politics makes strange bedfellows. im quite sure many of the right here are mccarthy supporters..interesting, indeed.
No doubt serious entertainers have influence. Hmm Clancy, Reagan, now Trump. Aren't just about all POTUS's authors? I wonder if Rush will ever make the leap. Maybe acting helps them be pathological liars ??? ;-)
or payments from a source who wishes to cause hatred.
Whether the great divide is fabricated or a hoax, doesn't change the fact that the Great Divide really exists. Saying that the great divide is not real goes to its creation, not to its veracity. The great divide is no more not existent than the huge and continuing Void between Democrats and Republicans in congress. The reality of this void is found in the congressional gridlock, and failure of the country in the last several decades from moving forward, being prosperous, and centered.
You can't judge the quality of life across the country by viewing a very small slice from a pinpoint. The American people cannot be sliced like a ham, because the people, the cities, towns and states have different ingredients.
You want to see the true America going across the country from little, towns all the way up to the dense urban areas. Watch the Los Angels news and with 10 million people the majority of the news is death, injury, destruction and chaos.
There are 2 million people in our jails and prisons, I believe that is the most in the world. It would be more but the courts keep forcing the release of many of them because of overcrowding.
It is further exacerbated by trying to bring in millions of immigrants that really don't want to assimilate into America but want us to be their surrogate country, like home away from home.
The government cannot and should not try to make social issues into laws. The next thing we will find ourselves following laws of other countries or even religions. The first amendment didn't go far enough in stating that the government cannot be a religion. It should be interpreted that there is freedom to worship your religion, but not to enforce it on America or its citizens.
Right now the Great Divide is real and it is Democrat versus Republican, and not only have the loyalty party voters gone Hatfield and McCoy, but the MSM is now a third major party supporting the left, somewhat like the Tea Party and the Republicans.
Things like BLM, riots against Trump supporters, Muslim Immigrants, and other attacks are really the weapons used to keep this divide an ever increasing void.
The attack is both on the loyal party voters, and manipulating them in the cause of their divide. They are like a robot army attacking the once United States of America. The divide is real, even though it is caused by social reengineering of America thru subliminal but calculated misdirection. It works similar to Pearl Hrbr and 911.
Wow WEE! I am impressed with your attempt to speak your truth to lies. That was you keeping it real, don't stop, Bradmaster.
And so there I was, looking up "polarizing conservative fanatics" and Brad's face was at the top, not even sponsored. Brad, being a conservative by normal standards I am in awe of your reactionary perspective. The amount of responses to you indicate.
There is substance in your comments. The least you both can do is refer to stm specifics, and argue your pts. That is the liberal approach. Eric ur passive aggressive personal attacks. Eric the Christian, not a good example, or is it?
Brad my boy or naivete do not presume to know what a Christian should or should not do. It is well beyond your ecclesiastical knowledge. You hurt conservatives because -- well because you come from Orange County and that says it all.
We cannot work toward moderate common solutions until liberals abandon their branding that they and only they are love, peace, tolerance, rational, educated while everyone with a different view is stupid, evil, phobic, crazy, uneducated (with the presumption everyone good and smart will convert when told the liberal doctrine).
When liberals deny that conservatives have rational points of view and legitimate grievances, there cannot be discussion, much less "healing".
That's how we had Trump elected, because someone talking about illegal immigrants depressing American wages gets called racist, trying to discuss Muslim migrant terrorist attacks (OSU, San Bernadino, Boston Bombers) is called Islamophobic, addressing FGM and honor killings by Muslims gets you called racist, discussing the link of black crime with the breakdown the family (back to racist) ...
To quote Dr. Jordan Peterson, when you cannot talk, all you have left is violence. Liberals systematically orchestrated censorship from the news media to social media to routine name calling in private conversations and upped the ante to violence at events because they believed their branding, that they are good so they must silence the evil haters. With an election, we had a mostly peaceful transfer of power except for the violent fascists who have permission per their own ideology to "fight evil", conservatives.
Until true liberals rein in and denounce the violent authoritarian liberals in their midst, they have no more credibility than the moderate Muslims who can't condemn Muslim fundamentalist terrorists and refuse to report them to the police. By their silent compliance or tacit support, they show they agree with the acts of the violent minority.
If there is a divide, which I think only is true by extremists, this comment shows why. Really? Mudslinging to counter mudslinging? That makes no sense at all. And we are lucky that it only pertains to about .05% of our people. That is the norm?Not!!
A survey has revealed more than a quarter of Muslims in France follow hardline Islam and almost half support Sharia law. Not tiny.
I agree, and where ever they settle they make taking over the law their first goal. From there the settled country becomes their surrogate country, with the ultimate goal to have it become their country.
It's not as simple as Blue vs. Red: People are no longer assimilating as Americans, but as the culture they came from or perceive that they came from. We call ourselves Mexican Americans, African Americans, Muslim Americans, European Americans and so on. We are dividing into groups that pit their race and cultures against those of others. We could heal, but the greater question is if all of these groups prefer to segregate, or become non-hyphenated Americans. Jury is out on this question and it's not clear when or if it will ever convene.
So the answer is yes we can, but maybe we won't.
The problem is rooted in mostly religious fear. Many MANY white Christians in the US view these 'other peoples' as being 'bad' bcuz they worship the wrong God. So, they are expendable, PLUS it is 'God's will' in these 'end times'. SAD & scary bot
Cat: "Fear?" 2Tim1:7 "For God hath not given us the spirit of fear..."
"Other ppl?"Gal3:28 "Neither Jew nor Greek IN Christ."
"God's Will?"Gen1:26;28"God gave DOMINION of all to man!"
"End Times?"Prophesied/man will cause
Where do u get this fm?
First we need to get rid of the electoral college, it served a purpose at one point in our history when communication and travel between the first colonies was slow and uncertain with long distances between those allowed to vote but that purpose as long since passed. The we need to fire absolutely everyone in Congress and Senate. We in essence hire our government to govern when we vote for them, if they are not doing so we do have a right to fire them like any employer. We need to hire all new representatives of the people and impose term limits for EVERY government seat, we don't have a President for 40 years so why should we have a senator for so long? Interestingly enough polls show that many senators only have about a 10% approval rating most of the time yet people reelect them 90% of the time. That needs to change. All of us need to send a message that we are tired of it by choosing someone completely new next time an election comes up in your states. Out with the Old!
Unfortunately so many American's have gotten into a mind set that they can't change anything so they don't even try, others are so use to a broken system that they complain, say "this is the way it is" and don't movie to do anything about it and a few handfuls are not enough to cause the widespread change we are desperately in need of.
The problem with the electoral college, imo, is the all or nothing. Ca has 55 electoral votes, and to give them all, erases the votes of over 4 million voters.
the number of votes over all in the entire country should be considered criminal compared to the number of voters, your statement just proves the point that the college needs to go.
I don't understand your point. The electoral college would be better if they got rid of the all or nothing. But having 1 state represent the country is worse. Also the popular vote is suspect because there are no voter chks to like Photo Ids
my statement is simple, while we would still have the one head of government that head would be elected by popular vote, we don't need the electoral college to speak for us anymore especially when they are under no obligation to vote the way we want.
How does that work when Ca has over 10% of the population and it is only 2% of the country. That is what the Electoral College was created to do. Trump won the majority of US counties, is more representative of popularity than CA tipping vote
Sorry that doesn't answer my comment., Bye It is not my job to convince you, I gave my opinion.
#3. "causes candidates to pay more attention to the parochial needs of the swing states." put another way, a vote in wyoming carries three times the weight of mine! you may not care about this...some of us do. swing state voters matter more.
Leslie I really get your point. But I am from AZ originally. If we went straight popular AZ would be fully ruled by other states and the feds. I do not want to be dictated to by LA and NY I do not think like they think. States rights vs. Fed rights??
great, so now i am dictated by the rust belt, and i dont think like they do. worse,things in my state that are legal now, such as abortion and marijuana, will once again become against the law.i say split the states up. red and blue. 2 federal gvts
I love it Leslie, what are we going to do with a civil war that has been going on since Babylonian times. I tell you that King that Robin fought just stole from the country bumpkins.In reality shouldn't we always be resistant to progress to check it?
i dont know about babylonian times i just know its dumber than dirt to fight over and over and over again about the same things decade after decade after century.its clear that we dont get along..why force it? its stupid!and a waste of precious life
Leslie, I don't know that it is a waste of time. Seems like we all object to change in our own way. And we all slama damna the status quo. I am a peace love dope dude. But I have this conflict internally also. Perhaps a society just mirrors that.
well, the purpose here was to form a more perfect union.i dont think its working.
as einstein said,you cant solve problems with the same mechanism that got you there, or something. and the pinnacle of failure is a usa gvt wholly owned by one party.
I just gave you a high five -- do they have an emo-gee for that? One group think in control of my mental group think would be ugly at best. I have a daughter deep in the DNCCC and when pressed she said she would be out of a job w/o republicans.
hubpages is an example of one group think. answers hidden due to negative feedback: check them out. 9 times out of 10, the ones being hidden are liberal. i keep hearing insults are not allowed, and keep seeing insults. hate speech? all day long. ussa
I think HP can do that because they are private. But I think they indicate/represent to the authors and public that they are neutral, by not saying they are biased. I think the censoring is an individual thing.
oh, me too! there is no rhyme or reason. they dont like you, bye. they like you, help yourself. this can be proven.
Interesting. I think we are independent contractors until the edit and control of the end product - qualifying us as 1099 employees. Cal. FEHA and Fed EEOC may be interested about the discrimination. They know our Race, gender and age...just saying.
NO! "We" can't!
Genesis 1:26;28 says "God gave "dominion" of EVERYTHING on earth to man" and look what he's done with it!
America was "built" on "LIES!" How can a company, a family, an organization or an entity of ANY kind which was not built on a solid foundation succeed?
Keep calling me a "fool," but man has tried EVERYTHING humanly possible or imagined to "heal the nation," with the exception of God! Hocus Pocus BS huh?
Let me tell you something AGAIN! One's spirit is stronger than ANY physical capability a man has! It's been proven! Have you seen the child on YouTube bending a spoon with her mind? We need to enhance our spiritual capabilities with positive training from God! We were not "farted from stars" but created by the Creator who is Spirit! We were created in "That" image; "spirit!"
Since He is our Creator, we need to learn "how" to and "what" pleases Him to become "in His likeness!" If we are His children, we have the same capabilities He does! However, we must learn the "recipe" given in His Word to function as He does!
It's just like any light company; the source (spirit or electricity) is there but one must learn to "turn on the switch" (The "recipe" or "commandments" in His Word) in order to activate light! Why would Jesus say "If you have faith the size of a mustard seed you can move mountains" (Matthew 17:20) if what I'm saying is not true? Can one man physically "move a mountain?"
Imagine what one man would be able to do if we learned how to become the "god" Scripture says we are (Psalms 82:6)! Why would Jesus say "He that BELIEVES in Me, greater things than these shall ye do" (John 14:12)? Greater things than Jesus? Therefore, look how IGNORANT man is running around like a chicken with his head cut off "trying to figure out" what he can do to "heal the nation" when the answer is right under his nose! JESUS!
America "was" built on LIES and as with a ponzi scheme; the end is total destruction! We can't fix it America because any entity built on "sand" (aka LIES) and not on a solid foundation (TRUTH aka GOD aka WORD) will FAIL!
You "think" the Bible is LIES? I can guarantee you one thing; It has the "recipe" to "connect" to THE SPIRIT from which we all came and from which we WILL return!
GROW UP AMERICA! Stop sitting around talking about "trivia" and learn to use what God has given you and you have already proven; It's not your "brain!"
trump got 80% of evangelical vote. id say its in your hands.
I'd say "evangelicals" forgot God gives "choice" e.g. gay marriage/abortion (Josh24:15) which Religious fanatics fell for! Scripture doesn't say right but if God gives "choice," who is man? I'd say Religion LIES & was AGAIN used as ulterior moti
thank you for that. we have lost our humanity towards one another because of religion. what irony, huh?
When man (Adam) fell & acquired the "nature of sin," the world became Satan's kingdom! Being the shrewd subtle serpent that he is, what better 'tool' to use to loose souls than RELIGION? Why we MUST obey *last* commandment (Acts1:4) 2 o/smart hi
You've said you've read Bible twice; this x read *last* commandment in Acts 1:4 & obedience in 1:14 for Power 1:8 so He can do as 1:2 which occurred AFTER He ascended & as He does TODAY! Herein lies THE CONNECTION! Then I Jn Chptr 2 takes ef
there is no way to heal until the leaders of the country stop pointing the finger. stop with the "you versus me" or " us versus them". you versus her, him against her and so on and so forth.
it is okay to be separate and proud. there is no shame in this. we run into trouble when we blame our troubles or woes on another segment of society.
do not say you are poor because of him (someone different from you). you have no job because of her (someone who doesnt live where you do). there is no or food because of them and so on. this makes some people think if they sit or stand on top of another person or group in society they will stand taller . trump is telling folks this mantra. that being said, everyone will always be separate, under someone or over them. he enjoys the chaos.
be careful with this type of separatism. this is generally how bills get passed into laws that no one would ever approve. its like a magic trick. while everyone is focused on marijuana or BLM another Patriot Act is passed.
no one will take responsibility or share. sorry to say it but the tone and mood of his inauguration today is what we have to look forward to
I believe part of the answer begins with us. We need to once again be a nation that has some manners. We need to speak and write respectfully to one another and discuss our views without hostility and name calling, which is all to common today.
Welcome dissenting opinions from your own as we can all learn from one another. Listen more to what the other side has to say. I have at times wanted to "unfriend" people with political views that I have found offensive but instead, I try to learn from them. Why do you believe what you believe? What facts can you show that support what you believe? How does this issue affect you or your loved ones?
Most of all, we all need to embrace one another as brothers and sisters. Gay or Straight, Black or White, Christian, Jew or Muslim, Foreign born or born in the USA, we are all in this together. I must love you, not try to change you. We all need to love one another!
You go Pat! LOVE is the key! TRUTH is LOVE! The ONE THING you missed is GOD who is [REAL] LOVE! The foundation of EVERYTHING that will "heal the nation!" Unfortunately, MOST "think" HE'S a joke but is the ONLY THING that will "heal America!"
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