Is The Great Divide Now Solidified In Cement?

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   Sharlee01posted 3 years ago

   
   Now there will be mandates to get the vaccine... Which Biden claimed on many occasions would not ever happen.  Another very misleading Biden lie.  It would seem to me Biden grasped on to a hammer and is once again pounding at that wedge that thus far is working to divide Americans. It does not disturb me that we hear yet another lie. What disturbs me is  It would appear Biden's only thought with his current mistruth is to further his agenda, which well appears to be an agenda that includes further dividing the American people. . He certainly has been unsuccessful in solving any of the American's problems, so he  chooses to divert our attension to --- "hey look over here these people won't get vaccinated, as you did, so they need to be ostracized,  and punished. Punished severely even if it will also hurt all Americans in the end. Suck it up"...
   
   It's actually hard to keep up with all the divisive ploys of Biden and the Democratic party. Race, Xenophobia, misogyny, white supremacy, those that support police, now vaccines...  It's so clear this kind of Governing is corrosive, divides, and is a breeding ground for hate.   The hate at this point in my view is palpable.  One only needed to have watched a couple of the football games on the last couple of weekends to hear chants of F --- K  Joe Biden. This gave a good picture of what some of our young think in regard to the new administration.  Out of the mouths of babes...    https://fansided.com/2021/09/07/anti-jo … -stadiums/
   
   Any though's on the division we have at this point in the country?
   
   Any thoughts in regard to the divide and concur political ploys of Biden and his administration?

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      Kathryn L Hillposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Whats wrong with a divide?
      Bring it on, I say.
      One side is right and one side is wrong. End of story.
      Fight for your side, if you can. if you can't, change sides!

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         Credence2posted 3 years agoin reply to this

         It is not right or wrong.
         
         One side is Right the other Left, depends upon your point of view.

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            wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            Good point.  The right is right and the other is left. 

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               Credence2posted 3 years agoin reply to this

               From my perspective and with rare exception: The Right is ALWAYS wrong

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      Credence2posted 3 years agoin reply to this

      "Race, Xenophobia, misogyny, white supremacy, those that support police, now vaccines"
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      For me and others these issues are not just articifial barriers merely to divide

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         Sharlee01posted 3 years agoin reply to this

         Did I say they were? I can agree they are...  My context clearly indicates it is my opinion all of the above have been used by Biden and the Democratic party to spur on a division by using them as a club.   Using the latest problem  ( which I consider a problem) of the countries low vaccination rate as an opportunity to use it as a tool to divide American citizens. Again this is my opinion, I have watched this form of politicking by Biden and the Democrats have ginned up over the past 5 years.
         
         I take it by your comment you do feel Race, Xenophobia, misogyny, white supremacy, those that support police, now vaccines are all problems.
         Do you also support Biden's complete turnaround on vaccine mandates?
         
         And his vehemently going after the unvaccinated with punishing mandates?
         
         IMO, From the day this man walked into the White House he sought to divide with his words and his actions. He has done a good job, but the weight of the divide has shifted. This is evident in the polls.
         
         It will take a long time to mend the damage Biden has done, but this is America we are resilient.

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            Credence2posted 3 years agoin reply to this

            Many of these issues are so important that a "club" is necessary to keep these problems at bay and in focus. They are far from being insignificant for me.
            
            The issue behind Biden policy is medically induced, why is it seen as political?
            
            For my view, I don't like mandates. If the rightwing oriented people choose to dance with death, let them. I am going to protect myself. This may be an issue where I may well disagree with the President. Smart money says that you vaccinate and wear a mask, regardless, but I can't speak to the inclinations of my neighbors.
            
            The reality is I don't believe that Trump at his highest point in the polls was any more than that of Biden in his trough. Why do think that is, since you seem to rely on the polls in this case?

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               Sharlee01posted 3 years agoin reply to this

               The issues are important, but to make them political tools to cause division benefits no one. You need action, not a bunch of words. It's very easy to put focus on any situation, but in my view, solving a problem speaks louder, than a bunch of never-kept promises.
               
               "The issue behind Biden policy is medically induced, why is it seen as political?"
               
               Oh yes COVID is clearly a medical problem and has been from its first days. Are you aware of how many times Biden's and many of his mouthpieces over the past few months have made the claim ---  they did not believe in mandates in regard to the COVID vaccines? Let's leave it at many shared that sentiment.  At this point, they see it as a club, a political club to point a finger at fellow American's --- become angry at them, and perhaps maybe even join in and punish them.
               
               I have made it very clear I am pro-vaccine. I am also pro- right to choose in regard to being vaccinated. 
               
               In reality, I try to watch about five different polling outlets. When they all seem to be very closely alike, I tend to give them a bit more weight.

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      Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Our ownerd designed for everyone, is to separating everyone into groups. Then getting everyone to conflicts and fight with each other.
      
      Wail they walk away with the power and money.

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   ValKarasposted 3 years ago

   As little as I may know in the whole matter, America was the first to install a democratic system -- and many a fine scholar is contending that it's still pretty much in its experimental phase.
   Now, historically, freedom always had a price tag attached to it, and it somehow got ingrained into human nature that they "forever have to fight for it" -- and fighting involves an enemy, whether real or only imagined'
   So, in my modest assessment, American folks just can't stop finding someone who is working against their freedom.
   That's how political, racial, gender, and other "camps" are created, each one blaming the other for "compromising their freedom".
   And, with the Trump-anti-Trump craze still not completely gone, here comes this new one with vaxxers and anti-vaxxers.
   One might even see it as a soap opera national style.
   There will be new ones, and new ones, long after covid is gone. There will never be an end to "crazy Trump's" and "crazy Biden's". People will never feel free for as long as they don't realize how they are not even trying to find a common language, and invent a harmonious political model.
   "Struggle for freedom" just breeds new "struggles for freedom" with no one ever winning-- never "enjoying" that freedom.
   And yet, there are even those who see struggling for it as a synonymous to having it -- as if saying "we are free do disagree".
   Just look what our friend Kathryn said above -- and I certainly have nothing bad to say about it, she is simply making my point clear:
   "What's wrong with the divide?
   Bring it on, I say, .One side is right, and one side is wrong. End of story.
   Fight for your side, if you can, if you can't, change sides."
   I like you, Kathryn, you are a true American gal.

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      Sharlee01posted 3 years agoin reply to this

      I just so appreciate your common sense Val... And yes Kathryn is a true and maybe one-of-a-kind American gal... Never afraid to say her piece, or give one "what for".

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      Credence2posted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Val, The divide is so great now, I really wonder if harmony between such opposite poles will ever be possible. Times have not been as contentious as this since the Civil War.
      
      What has made the system work, heretofore is that the losing side accepts the loss and strives to try again to be more persuasive in its arguments to gather supporters the next time. We don't do that now, instead, "if my side loses, it has to be fraud". That attitude is simply not acceptable.
      
      The Left had acknowledged that in Electoral contests far closer than the 2020 one. Gore in 2000 and Clinton in 2016. So now, who do you think comprise that "fly in the ointment"?

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         wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         You're right, although I would have said "if my side loses it has to be because the Russians did it." and the reaction was a massive political play, twice, (both failures) to remove their opponent on legal grounds.
         
         (Although, as I think about it, isn't that the same as you said - fraud was claimed but never proven to amount to anything.)

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            Credence2posted 3 years agoin reply to this

            Yeah, wilderness, compare apples with hand granades. Just how insane is the Rightwinger?
            
            Hillary did not spend months saying that her loss in 2020 was based on fraud. She did not go around the country like Trump alluring his halfwits to something that never got any support from official channels,  and today still does not hold water. She did not lead a bunch of cretin people to attack the national Capitol based on her and her followers unsupported claims.
            
            So, don't go simple on me, you know what I am talking about.

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               wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

               No, Hillary was pretty quiet (probably from shock).  It was the REST of the left screaming about Russian interference and starting two (failed) impeachment efforts to remove their primary opposition.  The DID allure to halfwits that without Russia, Trump would have lost.  They also had a lot of cretins actually believing it, and screaming for impeachment (although to be fair that began even before his inauguration).
               
               The point being, as usual, that it is not just one party or one person rousing the rabble with stupid claims.  Whether you like it or not, whether you agree or not, the left is at least as culpable as the right at such nonsense.
               
               (If the mini-riot at the capital was a hand grenade then the lefts summer of rioting country wide were hydrogen bombs)

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                  Credence2posted 3 years agoin reply to this

                  "Whether you like it or not, whether you agree or not, the left is at least as culpable as the right at such nonsense."
                  
                  I don't.....

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                     wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                     Well, let's see.  The left is the only party in history to try, twice, to remove a president by the impeachment process, failing both times.
                     
                     The left is the only party to accuse a sitting president of collusion with a foreign country to fix his election...and they failed at proving that, too.
                     
                     The left is the only party to instigate a multi-year "investigation" (read "witch hunt"), using the FBI to search for dirt on a president...and find nothing.
                     
                     The left is the only party to accuse a president of causing an insurrection...failing to prove that, too.
                     
                     The left is the only party to accuse a president of planning and ordering an insurrection...and failed to prove that, too.
                     
                     The left is the only party in our history to advocate removal of police protection for their citizens.
                     
                     The left is the only party in history to actively protect foreigners breaking our laws within our borders.
                     
                     Do you need more examples?  Or, if you like, I can provide a similar list for the right.

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      wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      "So, in my modest assessment, American folks just can't stop finding someone who is working against their freedom."
      
      You are absolutely right, and for very good reason.  There are always people desiring to control others.  Control how they live, how they think, what they eat, what they drink, who is in the restroom with them, who gets to play on the school sports team...someone, somewhere, is desirous of controlling nearly every facet of our lives.
      
      Americans do seem more sensitive to such intrusion, perhaps because of their more recent history of near total freedom in a young, quickly expanding nation.

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   ValKarasposted 3 years ago

   For sake of playing with metaphors for a bit, governments are like parental figures, to secure protection, means of survival, and a bunch of illusions about freedom for us. Every government has a special department which monitors the public mood, and makes sure that enough existential insecurity is maintained, by always providing an imaginary enemy, whether foreign or domestic. Like every smart parent, they have to invent a Boogieman to keep us obedient while expecting them to protect us.
   
   That's important, because an awakened mass is a dangerous mass. And so that the well paid Media always gives us enough negative crap about all murders, arsons, rapes, robberies, and natural disasters -- on top of feeding us with real or fabricated details of the political drama.
   
   When "parents' go nuts in their incessant screwing up passionate interaction (pun not intended), kids are bound to divide over taking side of the one who verbally bribes more.
   And there is no peace in the house.
   We don't really matter except at time of elections. That famed scholar Noam Chomsky said that it doesn't even matter for whom we vote, because there is only one true party in America -- Business Party.
   
   Once elected, they instantly act like autocrats. Would anyone care to remind me what was the last major demonstration that changed anything in government's decision making? Did we stop any wars? Change anything else?
   Are we going to change anything in this new crap with covid? We can turn blue screaming against "Medical  Deity" Anthony Fauci, and that won't affect one bit that eternal smirk on his face.
   They got us AGAIN to fight each other, laughing all the way to the bank.
   Well, maybe the life on this planet would be too boring without all this. I don't know, but -- to be quite honest, I prefer those TV sitcoms to that global one -- at least, the creators are not convincing us that it's all real and involving us.

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