Is Presidential decorum important? Are tweeting scurrilous slurs of wiretapping,

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   ptosisposted 6 years ago

   Is Presidential decorum important? Are tweeting scurrilous slurs of wiretapping, colossal blunders?
   
   Trump accused Obama of wiretapping. I am confused as to why he feel the FISA warrant for SVB Bank &  Alfa Bank involves Trump Tower since Trump, etal  are NOT named in the FISA warrant -  just the 2 Russian banks & the warrants are looking for transfers of $$ from Russia to USA, (a felony). (R)Sen. Sasse, “we are in the midst of a civilization-warping crisis of public trust.”
   
   

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   peoplepower73posted 6 years ago

   Trump still thinks he is in the entertainment and real estate business where he can manipulate people and things by creating an alternate reality.  The FISA report in question had nothing to do with wire tapping, but that is the reality that Trump and company wanted to create by distorting the facts..  This was all done to take the heat off of him and his cohorts for any possible collusion with the Russians. 
   
   You are absolutely right about public trust.  He is losing the trust of the people except for those who still have blind faith in his campaign promises.  But I believe given enough time, they too will lose trust in him.  This is evident in his rush to repeal and replace Obama care without taking the time for critical thinking.
   
   Here is the article started the wire tapping fiasco:
   
   https://heatst.com/world/exclusive-fbi- … to-russia/

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      lovemychrisposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      the dem who wants to talk to christopher steele has the right idea. but that situation is odd. steele came out of hiding, so isnt he worried he'll be killed? both putin and trump have everything to lose....he must have some airtight safety measure!

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      ptosisposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks for the link! Putin wants US chaos - not necessarily for Trump himself. . For all we know the CIA Wikileaks could've came from the Kremlin. We don't know

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      bradmasterOCcalposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Mike, there you go again.

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   lovemychrisposted 6 years ago

   yez maam. i love sasse on this one. and agree with him that assange is an enemy of the usa and works for vladimir putin. as does edward snowden, imo. lets see fsb spying mechanisms, shall we? how about that? or do people think cia is only agency out there, and every single other country on this earth doesnt do the same?
   as for trumps hateful tweets...hes a disgrace to the office and should be more like his wife! if this gvt lets him get away with colluding with russia, they are not worth the flag they salute, or the constitution they swear allegiance to. i mean, where there's smoke there's fire....and this situation is an inferno. put it out before it puts us out, thats all i have to say.
   (and no pence...hes in on it too!)

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      ptosisposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Who know who else is 'tapping' in? That scene at Mar A Lago of phone being used as "flashlights" (ahem*) shows how sloppily Trump treats security.

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      lovemychrisposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      omg.someone was bragging on facebook about being "part of the action". its complete disrespect to every single american. conducting our business in a posh private club, for the thrill of people who paid $200,000 to get in. swamp? how about palace?

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      Ericdierkerposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      So somebody posts something on FB and it makes you go all outraged crazy mad. No validity - who cares right? You just gobble up the unsubstantiated garbage on social media? Well I think that is bad. But if you go that way Trump will beat you.

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      lovemychrisposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      it was somebody at his club, who watched this presidential phone call, which trump took at his table..in public. last i knew, conducting business of state is not a spectator sport. apparently, $200,000 gets you a front row seat. working class my a__

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      bradmasterOCcalposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Clinton lost the presidency, dems won't win in 2018 unless they have a better plan than hate Trump.

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      Ericdierkerposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Yep, I hear that already approval numbers are busting 45%. this attack train may not know how to stop before running off the rails.
      I got nothing invested, But I can see the demise of promoting hate. Folks have to get back to promotion not attack.

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      lovemychrisposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      can you name one thing promotional that came out of republicans during the 8 years of barack obama?? all i saw were attacks. how about this past election? i suppose wikileaks was promitional?? you play the game now want to change it? actions speak!

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      Ericdierkerposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      If i am not mistaken many many Republicans voted for him on his first term. And on his second term.

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      lovemychrisposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      ok...what good things did they have to say about him? i never saw any. except hes a good father. of course, when i said i like that hillarys a mom and gramma, i was roundly mocked. if you ever saw a repub say anything positive in 8 yrs..what was it?

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       Ericdierkerposted 6 years agoin reply to this

       I just have no reference to what you ask.My friends just are not that filled with hate. Many republicans around here hailed the ACA. We applauded the OBL death. And you and I both know there were many more.

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       lovemychrisposted 6 years agoin reply to this

       i am telling you the truth when i say i never saw nor heard one good thing about obama except that hes a good dad. heard nothing but negatives on the aca..its a disaster, a catastrophe  blah blah blah. trump called obama a complete and total failure.

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       Ericdierkerposted 6 years agoin reply to this

       I suppose if one only looks for a certain activity they would miss the other activity. This all or nothing pure black and white position of yours is a little unsettling. It does not lend itself to rational observance. No saints and no devils here.

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       lovemychrisposted 6 years agoin reply to this

       eric, you need to tell republicans that. they see nothing good in democrats, and have been saying so for a long time. and that is something i have not seen any of you do. ever. quick to lambast democrats. silence regarding the recalcitrant repubs.

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       Ericdierkerposted 6 years agoin reply to this

       If you looked hard you might see me speak that way. But I do not think so. You include me in that group so show be where I did that based on a party. I will amend it if you show it to me.

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       lovemychrisposted 6 years agoin reply to this

       were you not involved in the hillary-bashing? did you speak up when trump was calling her crooked hillary? i mean, its ok to feel that way, just dont get all high and mighty when i feel that way about trump! if you called trump out, i apologize.

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       Ericdierkerposted 6 years agoin reply to this

       My comments on HRC were straightforward my opinion on the unfairness of locking up Naval service members for far less than what was admitted by HRC. I still vehemently hold that position. It really is not about HRC. More anti locking up sailors.

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       lovemychrisposted 6 years agoin reply to this

       but trump called her crooked. flynn said lock her up. trump has nothing but negatives to say about obama or democrats ever. so i say, when your side starts acting decent...so will i.

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       Ericdierkerposted 6 years agoin reply to this

       Where do you get the notion I am on a side opposing you. I am a free man, I do not need to or do pick "sides". I pick positions on issues not people. And you are making republicans auto Trumpsters on every issue. That is very far off base.

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       lovemychrisposted 6 years agoin reply to this

       before trump came along, republicans were against obama....against dems. this did not start with trump, trump just showed the ugly. and people loved it. now we all suffer for it. for it or against it. period.this time there is no middle.choose a side

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       Ericdierkerposted 6 years agoin reply to this

       In my humble opinion you are simply hate baiting. We do not have to pick a side and get all outraged and hateful toward the "other side". We can be moderates - very legal. What is a fiscal conservative and social liberal called? Dem or Rep? Me?

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       lovemychrisposted 6 years agoin reply to this

       well, as ive said a thousand times, tell that to your friends on the right. trump is now putting gateway pundit on press list..bringing back the hateful birther accusations. what love, huh? as well, there are numerous democrat haters here, tell them!

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       Ericdierkerposted 6 years agoin reply to this

       What in the heck does that have to do with us moderates. We have to hate someone because you are offended and action is taken that you do not agree with. Most of us choose not to hate like you do. Do you really think it is either hate of love?

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       lovemychrisposted 6 years agoin reply to this

       i do not like these republicans. you seem to have a problem with that. at the same time, it doesnt seem to bother you that they dont like dems...as you never demand they stop being hateful. how are you moderate when you only harangue me? need names?

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       Ericdierkerposted 6 years agoin reply to this

       I will keep it simple.
       When did I express any hatred at all? Show me.

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   Ericdierkerposted 6 years ago

   I think when a boy in the ghetto gets shot we should not look to the sins of the boy that brought it on but rather what we can do better. Like volunteering to be a mentor. If a sitting president did a wrong thing we do not look to justify it by the sins of the victim. (nobody is a victim here it just is the best word) Trump organization servers were apparently legally survailed, And it appears that it was done with a judges approval.
   Yep they did it and yep they did it right. It smells bad and it looks bad and feels like dogshit that does not mean we should pick it up and taste it. ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eY7ZX6ngOSs )
   All of this stuff just stinks. But it is a bad rabbit hole to go down. Let us focus on ACA.

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      ptosisposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      That's left an uncommonly bad taste in my mouth with your vivid imagery.

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      Ericdierkerposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Sorry, but these guys deal in excrement and we have to cut the wheat from the chaff. I don't see anyone stepping in it just a bunch of low level mudslinging. That is the biz and people who buy into it like Nat's enquiry idiots deserve their freaking.

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      lovemychrisposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      you do know the owner of national enquirer is good friend with your prez, right? he had some really stinking front pages of hillary during this fraudulent election, and some wonderful praises of your man. so, if you dont like enquire, u on wrong side

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   ptosisposted 6 years ago

   
   
   I think it is important to remember that the NSA evades FISA via SIGNET partners to carry out surveillance on U.S. persons.  - but Trump is looking for a no-questions-asked rubber stamping of Section 702's five-year renewal. Communications with foreign persons is fair game under Section 702, even if the communications originate in the US - https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20170 … ance.shtml
   
   NSA spies on phone/Internet usage of Americans for years - but "Not wittingly.”  - Clapper
   
   I urge you to contact & let your voice be heard.
   http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/
   
   https://www.senate.gov/senators/contact/

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      Ericdierkerposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      If I were and I do, classify this on a Dierker sucks scale. All of this is hateful. And an interesting point, even 7+ years after stuff happens there is not release. That is total BS.

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      ptosisposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      interesting: activity was "caused by email marketing/spam" on the Trump server's end to Alfa - http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/09/politics/ … anization/

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      bradmasterOCcalposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I am got lost, what is the point here? the investigation is on, it hasn't concluded, so what are your facts?

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      lovemychrisposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Adam Khan@Khannoiseur
      trust me....all the proof youll need

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      bradmasterOCcalposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Ptosis sounds like troll talk!

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