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  1. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago

    What is right?
    What is wrong?

    Is it subjective?
    Is it objective?

    What can we AGREE on, as far as politics, to determine what is right and what is wrong?

    For instance do you support the ban on plastic straws?
    It seems that a ban on plastic straws is the right thing to do if we care about the harmful effects these have on the environment.
    Some might think it is wrong to ban plastic straws because people make their livings marketing them.

    Paper-made straws surely have less impact on the environment,

    In my mind protecting the environment is the right thing to do,
    but should protecting the environment take precedence in all cases?

    1. The0NatureBoy profile image57
      The0NatureBoyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Since "right" and "wrong" are judgments therefore they have no value because one must experience the various outcomes before determining the value of everything.

      Subjective is defined by the parent of the word, subject, which is "the nomenclature of" it. The subjective of it is "it is what it is" by its definition and needs no further explaining.

      Objective, also is defined by the parent word, object, suggesting it is a thing but produces the question "is its purpose in relation to the whole worth producing it."

      "Policy" is the base of "politics". Supposedly the policy for the USA is the Constitution that everyone acts so pleased with but the "tics" is suggesting the governors are tampering with it and making policies "To The Contrary" which it say "Can Not Stand" by the term "not withstanding". Therefore determine what is "Objective" and we will see what benefits the whole of the United States of America.

      Where we see that the "Governors" are supposed to be concerned about "the defense" of this nation it includes the self-reproducing environment as well as "We The People". That is why the constitution gave We The People, or the Governed, the control over the Governors. Therefore, what is needed is for the Governed to "educate" [bring forth from within by objectively reading it, apply it to the various activities of the Governors to see if it is being done then "Petition" or "Impeach" the governors according to your findings] themselves the do what the document intended from the foundation of this nation.

      Therefore, when we see the consequences of plastics [all throwaway types] are harming the environment and then the production of them should be ended. The Constitution has "Defense and General Welfare" (Article 1, sec. 8 and Para. 1) as the most important concern for this nation. "Everything Else" is secondary to meeting those obligations. Take it from there and you find your answers concerning everything happening in this nation.

    2. peterstreep profile image80
      peterstreepposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Right and wrong are concepts based upon up-bring and social factors.

      Is torturing a person wrong if you know that you might save 500 persons?
      Is it wrong to steal if you are hungry?
      Is it right to electrocute a murderer?
      Is it right to kill a cow and eat the meat?
      Is is wrong to breastfeed in public?
      just to name a few.

      1. Castlepaloma profile image76
        Castlepalomaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        Torture is wrong on earth or in hell It just doesn't work, people will tell you anything when tortured.

        Yes, steal, if your overly hungry.

        Death penalty are hypocrite's.

        Eating meat and cheese from cows is not healthy, yet you have the right to put anything you want into your body.

        I breast feed in public, never been caught yet. Lol

        1. peterstreep profile image80
          peterstreepposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          Yes, the questions were probably to easy to answer. Some people will find them debatable though.

          1. Castlepaloma profile image76
            Castlepalomaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            For people who suffer more by complicating things.  Rather than simplified things or having patience enough to getting closer to answers.

  2. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago

    I think it is very wrong to be flying a balloon of the POTUS dressed in a diaper in the form of a baby.

    That is WRONG!

    Yet, there it is today flying above LA's Politicon event and available to take pictures with inside.

    https://ktla.com/2018/10/19/baby-trump- … on-center/

      Right, You Brit, Simon Sidi, right. No. I don't believe it. The baby is demeaning to our president.
    It was its purpose in London as now. To demand and mock. Why do we not shoot it down, is my question!!!

    Today is a sad day, if you ask me ... which no one ...

    1. lovetherain profile image72
      lovetherainposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      these aren't real issues

      1. Castlepaloma profile image76
        Castlepalomaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        Not big enough issues for me too.

        1. lovetherain profile image72
          lovetherainposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          I agree. What do you think are the biggest issues facing humanity today?

          1. Castlepaloma profile image76
            Castlepalomaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            Poverty and the natural environment.

            1. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
              Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years agoin reply to this

              right and wrong.

              Issues that require a particular perspective.
              Like is the Left right to advocate socialism, no borders, gun control and abortion/selling of baby parts to the black market, legalized marijuana, stopping ANYthing that would mean a carbon footprint or the slightest harm to the environment, like saving teeny weeny fish in water ways of California?? Are they right to encourage the despotism of socialistic democracy where people pay higher taxes and individualism becomes less important? Is it right to stop the inflow of valuable oil for the sake of the land in N. Dakota when millions of jobs and less dependence on foreign oil will result.

              These suggestions/demands are based on what some people see is right, but they care not for the bigger issues.

              Conservatives see the bigger picture. The bigger picture has to do with preservation of the nation, protecting citizens from criminals entering the country illegally, the sanctity of life, the right to bare arms/defend themselves and form militias and utilize the environment to provide jobs and produce wealth.

              But maybe they need to consider the smaller, more subtle picture.

              Maybe what is right is somewhere in the middle. The right and left can check each other.

              What is right is what is best for everything and everyone concerned.

              Maybe we don't have to hate each other. Maybe we can listen to each other and incorporate ideas based on the big AND little picture.

              We need to ignore the extreme LEFT and ignore the extreme RIGHT.

              1. Castlepaloma profile image76
                Castlepalomaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                The answers are usually best on middle ground solutions. Then even from there, always things can be new and approved

              2. The0NatureBoy profile image57
                The0NatureBoyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                There is co particular perspective to "right" and "wrong" because they are individual likes and/or dislikes

    2. The0NatureBoy profile image57
      The0NatureBoyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      That thing about flying the POTUS in a diaper is representative of his behavior, he has done nothing in the way of a rational adult would since he has been in office, why shouldn't people reveal how they see him?

  3. hard sun profile image84
    hard sunposted 2 years ago

    Agreed here. How come we can't all agree that Trump's behavior is just so often very wrong and sets the absolute wrong example as the leader of our country. Until we can, Americans are never even close as to what is right and wrong.

  4. profile image0
    Ed Fisherposted 2 years ago

    Wow , How liberals do not like it when they don't have their way .   Yet when Obama was searching and destroying the constitution it was all Yippie Ky Yaaa '.      Well guess what ?    Trump is now doing a blitzkrieg on ALL the political correctness and you're all crying because your phony outrage syndrome  isn't "making a dent "?
    Time for liberals everywhere to pick up your party ego's off the floor and wipe your eyes .

    1. Castlepaloma profile image76
      Castlepalomaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      You rather fight than switch, like those old cigarette commercial. Like expensive lawyers who loves to fight, for there is always a suckers payoff rather than a balance solution.

      1. profile image0
        Ed Fisherposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        And in exactly what country have liberals EVER offered up a "balanced solution "and to what issue ?

        1. Castlepaloma profile image76
          Castlepalomaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          Don't ask me, ask a liberal. They are not a white Christians exclusive club, according to voters.

        2. wilderness profile image96
          wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          Probably the same ones conservatives have.

          In the US, one such might be the abortion issue, where a reasonable compromise was reached...only to have both sides continue to chip away, trying to get the whole thing.

          Another is the gun issue, where it is never enough.

          Sadly, on those rare occasions when a compromise is reached it is never left alone.  Neither side finds it acceptable - just politically expedient in the moment with an unspoken declaration that "This isn't over until I get my way!"

          1. Castlepaloma profile image76
            Castlepalomaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            Decade's ago I remember Republicans were leading the way on poverty and global warming.

            Then along came Trump tricking many Americans global warming is a hoax.

          2. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
            Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            "This isn't over until I get my way!"

            Ironically they/we "glorify" the president as a baby?

            1. wilderness profile image96
              wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

              My observation is that the Trump haters of the country have (long ago) taken up the very tactics that they find so deplorable.

              1. profile image0
                promisemposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                Such as praising Republican Congressmen who assault journalists to a cheering crowd of his supporters?

                That kind of hate?

  5. profile image0
    Ed Fisherposted 2 years ago

    Perhaps we have reached that point Wilderness ,  I know that with gun rights  it has ,  With the left in the sixties  all guns should be serial numbered ,  in the seventies , we must limit hand gun proliferation , in the eighties it became registries of owners , nineties  "assault rifles ",   2000 ?  magazine size .   

    We all watch as our combined liberties are chipped away one sentence , one right , one law , one state at a time .  AND guess what in the beginning as with today the same names mark the headlines , Feinstein , Cuomo , Brown , academia , add to that the new names  Harris , Sanders , Welch , Collins  .............Yes we have hit the wall of ideological divide and rightfully so ,  a large part of America is angry and should be .

    1. Castlepaloma profile image76
      Castlepalomaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Left or right means no hill of beans to me. Although the right loves their guns moreso. A good military general will tell you, anger is inefficient.

      In New York Laws were worst than the punishments of 1665, to strike one's mother or father, or denying the "true God," were punishable by death. Hell of alot of angry there. Today, you strike your kid, you could get 3 years in prison. Still not right, yet alot better than killing them.

      What good is the American Constitution if the founding fathers were not good example, by carrying out black salavery and non-white genocide.  At least their white wars were agree upon stupidity or honestly about self defense.

      Approximately 60% of all adult firearm deaths are by suicide, 61% more than deaths by homicide. In the U.S., firearms remain the most common method of suicide, accounting for 51% of all suicides committed. If I get upset, it will be writing a letter, not going to get a gun.

      If I lived in the early wild west and was a sheriff. I would disallow carrying a guns and public hangings. My murderer would have to work their tales off for tiny bits of freedom for life.

      About 149 countries have abolished death penalties because it's hypocritical and proven it make s matters worst. Not US, they still live in the barbarian ages of wars and prisons. Still treat a cannabis plant as public enemy number one. They lock up Americans in cages over a plant more than any other reason. More people are killed in wars in the name of God for any other reasons.Sounds like never ending deadly angry, over really silly things.

      1. profile image0
        Ed Fisherposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        Do you want to change that first sentence yet ?

        1. Castlepaloma profile image76
          Castlepalomaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          Not really, politicans fairytales Nationaism are gotten more dangerous than Religion. They are loosing their tool grip on Religion too.

          Best way for them to loose their power, is to ignore them as much as possible.

  6. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago

    Here are OBVIOUS tactics being used to tear down America and we do nothing!!!!!! but bicker and argue. We need to OBSERVE the tactics that have been used for decades and are snowballing:
    1.) Pit one group against the other:
    A. The rich against the poor.
    B. The black against the white.
    C. The right against the left.
    D. The young against the old.
    E. Turn the sexes against each other!
    2.) Take away autonomy and positive influence of public school teachers,
    A. Not training / encouraging public school teachers to teach with love, but rather strict conformity.
    B. Command school teachers to indoctrinate their future citizens with lies and slanted information. toward making the US look B A D.
    C. Obliterate ACCURATE history.
    3.) Obliterate Christian customs.
    A. Christmas is winter break.
    B Easter is spring break.
    C. Encourage immorality every way possible.
    D. Remove freedom of Religious Expression.
    4. tamper with currency systems:

    1. Castlepaloma profile image76
      Castlepalomaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I'm confused what are statements and what might be solutions.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
        Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        You, of course, don't mind tearing down Christian customs, but I do.

        A.A tactic used to deflate the joy of life of the youth: Not training or encouraging public school teachers to teach with love, but instead, strict conformity.
         
        I witness that teachers use anger to keep students in line.
        Anger should be reserved for times of need and urgency. Not all the time.
        Gone are the days when teachers could be pleasant.
        I try to be pleasant when I step in as a substitute. One Jr. high student thanked me after class for showing the class respect. I was so surprised by that comment.
        What does that tell you about what they usually have to put up with these days?

        1. Castlepaloma profile image76
          Castlepalomaposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          How can I tear down bible customs, when  midevil times have decayed a couple of 1000s years ego.  I enjoy a few midevil festivals that I have gone to. Just couldn't lived that lifestyle or take many of their rules literally or serious.

        2. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
          Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          A total lack of respect.

    2. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
      Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      5. Rile up Democrats into emotional states of anger and hatred.
           Apparently, it is easy to do! The word Democrat seems be analogous to negativity. They reveal a lack of faith, hope, personal strength and personal accountability. 

      They refuse to acknowledge that Republicans truly love their country.
      Do Democrats (still) love their country?

      Well, its a good question. Hopefully, for this election there are more who love this country than hate this country. Think about it. Will you be voting with love in your heart ...
      or hate?

      1. The0NatureBoy profile image57
        The0NatureBoyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        Doses https://youtu.be/NidkK2rVSFs appear to be a love for this nation or the love for an ethnic's supremacy? I say the latter is true.

  7. profile image0
    Ed Fisherposted 2 years ago

    Kathryn , Great points ,  It would be extremely refreshing to hear one democrat , liberal, demo / socialist ,whatever they wish to be called ,Ever say ...............
    -I love my country
    -I love America
    -I love our history
    -I love our people
    Anything ! 
    Why anyone here questions anyone on the rights genuine love of country is dumbfounding . All conservative thought comes from some of the above  but the left ...........not so sure.

    1. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
      Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      And why are we not so sure?
             Well, who will come here and say a word as to why they even LIVE here!!!!!
      ?

    2. The0NatureBoy profile image57
      The0NatureBoyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      By what appears in the video I just posted, those five phrases coming from Trump belie every one of them.

  8. profile image0
    Ed Fisherposted 2 years ago

    Democrats invented political hatred , Long ,long long before Trump was even on the radar screen ,  But what ?   You blame Trump for an uprising by people from both  the right AND the left to end established DC politics . To end the spread of socialist entitlements ,

    From two years before the 2016 election democrats have been "carpet bombing "America with protest , hate , violence and USA Pravda media games .

    Try answering to the OP. Why do we NEVER hear the left express love of country ?

    1. The0NatureBoy profile image57
      The0NatureBoyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Have you look at the multitude of things Trump has done since? Go to Yahoo or some other printed news source and read how the above video is "The Handwriting On The Wall" that the beginning of this nation's downfall is imminent, either we follow https://hubpages.com/politics/Treason-USA-Style and stop it or we can let it end now.

      When you see all of Trump's actions being reported and remember he has the key to the only nation with "Atomic Weapons" you are unleashing upon the world what Revelation 18:4-6 say is supposed to be released upon this nation only. That is what the "Handwriting" is saying, take it or leave it.

      Elijah, the finial Prophet before "the great and dreadful day of the Lord" aka the termination of civilization.

  9. profile image0
    Ed Fisherposted 2 years ago

    I suppose David Koresh felt much the same ?     Unfortunately "The war on Drugs" is lost to the greed , entitlement and outright stupidity of the people who live within the drug culture , who's every need is answered by getting high on anything they can get their hands on ........legal or illegal . The same "sick people " that give up a normal life , their children , their families , husbands and wives for the next high .

    Stop blaming the Government for your individual failures .

    1. The0NatureBoy profile image57
      The0NatureBoyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      It was Government induced so what more need I say?
      Yes, I know what more I need to say.
      The War on Drugs laid the foundation for implementing the "New World Order" which is designed to kill off (if there are 10 billion people on earth) 9.5 billion people. That's a worldly version, as written on "the Georgia Stone", of the "ten virgin's parable" for those who survives civilization's end in Armageddon.
      Which one do you expect to manifest, the world's by putting people in space to survive it or Armageddon that's being (if not already) built here on earth, for the spiritual 5% of earth's population who will repopulate earth once "the red sea" of blood is spilt by that 9.5% of the population? I rather believe an older book form of the prophecy than the recent "Georgia Stone's".

      Peace

  10. profile image0
    Ed Fisherposted 2 years ago

    I don't know why people blame government for drugs in your system ,  How did they get here ?  Why do you take them ?  There is no excuse why a minimum of 1/4 of our many American cultures live drug induced lives .   Time to take personal accountability for your own demise . Hispanics , blacks , affluent whites , government employees , teachers , professors ............No one is to blame but the user !

    1. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
      Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, we all have an inner guide.
      We know when something is not good for us.

      We know ... if we would just listen .......

    2. The0NatureBoy profile image57
      The0NatureBoyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ed,
      Drugs, including those prescribed which most of are additive and causes other additions to satisfy Corporation's greed, get into our system because, in both cases, government was the prescriber of them and we are taught to trust our leader - look at the president in the above link - and teachers without reasoning. This nation doesn't allow educating but "schooling to blindly follow leaders even to our own demise like a school of fish" because we would know almost everything being done by the US government violates the constitution.

      Having political parties is unconstitutional according to Article 1, section 2 & paragraph 2 and Art. 1, sec. 3 & par. 3 for congress and for presidents Amendments 12 and 24; not to count the preamble's "to form a more prefect Union" phrase.

      Article 8 paragraph 1 require Congress to coin and value our money so why is a PRIVATELY OWNED BANK coining our money and the government borrowing it from then on the backs of We The People like we are chattel?

      Since We The People are to correct government per Amendment 10 and Article 6 but are schooled to believe "We The People can't fight City Hall and win" so we will not even read the constitution to see that we are being lied to by then, the impeachable "high crime" offense of perjury for refusing to obey the constitution. So, then why do you expect the people-in-mass not to put drugs in our system? Education teaches self-discipline while schooling demands unreasoned obedience, so you tell me why so many people don't have self-discipline enough not to do it.

      KLH,
      Schooling teaches people-in-mass to ignore that inner guide is why punishment and reward are the primary tool for schooling. We are talked down to for punishment and lifted up for reward and so many other variations of the same thing.

  11. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago

    Treason U.S.A. Style
    Updated on September 25, 2018
    The0NatureBoy
    Elijah A Alexander Jr

    "The Coming Of America

    From Genesis through Revelation are prophetic types reveling of nations that reveal the actual history of the United States of America's that has been disunited because of money. Money's only value is for controlling people when we consider human, woman and man are also hairy animals [mobile beings] who lived as individual nomads as many other Mammals do. Pre civilization girls built ground nests for their babies, gathered their own consumables and returned to them as needed to nurse them. Once they learned to walk the children followed their mothers until adolescence when they went their own individual ways."
    FROM https://hubpages.com/politics/Treason-USA-Style

    "The good of money is the use of money." Benjamin Franklin said that. It is a good and decent understanding.

    I don't know what Elijah is rambling on about.
    After all, we were made in the image of God, not animals.
    Money is neutral, but greed and excess can result due to human nature, not God nature. Listen to God ...
    within.

    1. The0NatureBoy profile image57
      The0NatureBoyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Again, KLH, schooling punishes and rewards and money has been conditioned into us that it is even more important than god by Christianity and government, so why don't you tell us what I'm RAMBLING ABOUT!!!!

  12. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago

    You are rambling about that which is not real. Christianity does not condition people to believe that money is more important than God. The government does not do that either. Why don't you tell us what you are rambling about? You do not know. You do not have accurate information. You do need to get a clue. It's not that hard.

    1. The0NatureBoy profile image57
      The0NatureBoyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Just because you reject what I'm saying doesn't mean I'm rambling. Some people are without judgmental minds which allows them to observe objectively everything [sometimes waiting years for answers], participate to recognize the various outcomes and then use reasoning based on the things made for determining purpose [everything is purposed] they can explain what appears to those who set themselves up as JUDGE and JURY as "rambling".

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
        Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        no one else here gets away with promoting their own hubs. Why do you get a free pass?
        I wonder?

        1. The0NatureBoy profile image57
          The0NatureBoyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          you can find out through your job!

  13. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago

    Gavin Newsom won in California.
    We need a new name for our state:
    May I suggest, Bluefornia.

    ... and Cox supporters totally have the blues.
    sad

  14. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 years ago

    and in my opinion you are rambling without logical backing of anything except your own weird sense of what is real. and you are not even aware that your sense of reality is based on speculation.
    Are you guessing????
    Much????

    Guess all you want. I am just calling you out on it. I would give you for instances, but why bother. You are not interested in anyone else's POV, but your own.

    1. The0NatureBoy profile image57
      The0NatureBoyposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      By your words you know more about me than I do, how is that?

 
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