Maybe This Time I'll Be Lucky, Maybe This Time, I WIN...….

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  1. gmwilliams profile image83
    gmwilliamsposted 4 months ago

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    Bernie Sander decided to run for President in 2020.  Do you believe that Bernie Sanders will have a CHANCE this time?

    1. IslandBites profile image87
      IslandBitesposted 4 months agoin reply to this

      No.

    2. Credence2 profile image81
      Credence2posted 4 months agoin reply to this

      I would have just as soon that he sat this one out. Sanders and Warren represent a faction of the Democratic Party that I support. I don't want them competing with each other, not having Bernie diluting Warren's following or co-opting her message.

      1. wilderness profile image97
        wildernessposted 4 months agoin reply to this

        Perhaps he should run as an independent, then.  Are there enough socialists in the country to have a fighting chance?

        1. Credence2 profile image81
          Credence2posted 4 months agoin reply to this

          Can't have that either, Wilderness, the risk of too many democratic votes being siphoned off  from a third party is too great. To take on Trump next year, unity to the extent we can attain to it is necessary.

    3. PrettyPanther profile image85
      PrettyPantherposted 4 months agoin reply to this

      I'm not sure. Part of his appeal last time was that he was not Hillary. This time around, there are a lot of not-Hillarys to choose from. Like Warren, he has had a consistent message for a long time. He might have a hard time separating himself from the pack, now.

    4. Miebakagh57 profile image48
      Miebakagh57posted 4 months agoin reply to this

      Hello, gm (gmwilliams), what is Bernie Sander? Thanks, and have a wonderful day ahead.

    5. peterstreep profile image79
      peterstreepposted 4 months agoin reply to this

      Hard to say, but if the democratic establishment will endorse Bernie he definately has a big chance to beat Trump. He has already raised $4 mil in 12 hours after his announcement .
      To be honest, I’m not quiet sure if Trump wants a second term. It would not suprise me if some other Republican would go for it.

      1. PrettyPanther profile image85
        PrettyPantherposted 4 months agoin reply to this

        I think the Democratic establishment will get behind whoever emerges from the pack as the best person to unseat Trump. Democrats and most Independents are united in this one  essential objective.

        1. peterstreep profile image79
          peterstreepposted 4 months agoin reply to this

          In the last elections they made the mistake in supporting Hillary as she was part of the sellect elite, had they chosen Bernie he would probably have won. So hopefully the democratic establishment learnt there lesson.

          1. PrettyPanther profile image85
            PrettyPantherposted 4 months agoin reply to this

            I hope so. I see that Bernie raised $5.9 million  from mostly small donors in the 24 hours after announcing his candidacy. Pretty impressive.

            1. GA Anderson profile image93
              GA Andersonposted 4 months agoin reply to this

              I know the Republicans have a problem with popular public antagonism to old white men politicians, particularly old white establishment men.

              Consider the Democratic field--to date, I am thinking that may be a problem for Sanders. Particularly when the primary race heats up. Right now it is early days and all are playing nice, but we both know that will change.

              My uninformed opinion is that he is too white and too old for the new Democratic voter. Particularly when his positions will no longer be unique.

              What do you think PrettyPanther, will he have that to overcome? If Warren or Kamala (sp?) have the credentials to be serious contenders, can he overcome it?


              GA

              1. Credence2 profile image81
                Credence2posted 4 months agoin reply to this

                "My uninformed opinion is that he is too white and too old for the new Democratic voter. Particularly when his positions will no longer be unique"

                I don't know about that GA, being white and old is not a liability if your ideological ducks are in the right place. I would vote for Sanders over Kamela or Booker. Sanders is the 'real deal' standing tall for civil rights and progressive values since the 1960's. I cant be so confident that any of the other Democratic candidates outside of Warren would not be enticed by Wall Street money to just go along and get along. Why else would Wall Street CEO's say emphatically that the Dems Must not nominate either Warren or Sanders as they are divisive and outside the mainstream? That, I consider an endorsement for those two that is second to none. Sanders and Warren are well familiar with "the enemy" and will not be compromised. I need an Eliot Ness type in this struggle. A man with impeccable progressive credentials that remained consistent over half a century? I will go with him.

                You can be an old white guy and not be sclerotic, that is reserved for the rightwinger, exclusively.

                My complaint is, yes, I think that he too old and that Elizabeth Warren shares Bernie's integrity and commitment to the ideal picking up the spirit of his campaign, and yet is 8 years younger.

                His age certainly did not keep him from giving Hillary Clinton a run for her money in 2016. He attracted a lot of the younger, non-establishment types to the Democratic Party. The ideals that Bernie stands for for progressives can never get "too old".

                1. GA Anderson profile image93
                  GA Andersonposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                  You make good points Cred. Particularly the one about him being Bernie since the 60s.

                  Obviously, I don't support his platform, but I am not bashing him either. I am just wondering if as an old white man he can best his non-old-white-men opponents with similar platforms.

                  GA

              2. PrettyPanther profile image85
                PrettyPantherposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                Hi GA,

                I don't think that Democratic voters have a problem with old white men; I think they have a problem with party representation consisting almost entirely of old white men. Do you get what I mean by that?

                As I evaluate Sanders as a candidate, I believe he doesn't fit into that "old white man" category of politician that wants to, for example, control a woman's right to decisions about her pregnancy or birth control. The GOP has earned their negative "old white man" image because of scenes like this one :

                https://www.thenation.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/BChearing.png
                Republican Hearing on Contraception: No Women Allowed
                Republicans are holding a hearing on contraceptive access this morning, but don’t expect to hear from any women.
                . https://www.thenation.com/article/repub … n-allowed/

                I do think Bernie's age will be a factor for many people but I think that would be the case for anyone his age, regardless of gender or race or ethnicity.

                Now, all that said, if Bernie were to win the Democratic nomination, I think being white would work in his favor in a general election.

                1. GA Anderson profile image93
                  GA Andersonposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                  Yes, PrettyPanther, I get what you are saying. Particularly the reference to Republican "old white men."

                  However, I still think Sanders age and "whiteness" will hurt him in the primaries. As far as platforms go, I think Warren can go toe to toe with him and I think her gender will give her an edge.

                  If he does win the primary, you may be right, the needed Independent component, (I think), doesn't have the "old white man" bias I think the base of the new Democratic party has.

                  It's just a discussion. Although I wouldn't support Sanders, I am not bashing him.

                  GA

                  1. PrettyPanther profile image85
                    PrettyPantherposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                    You're not the only one who seems to think Sanders' "whiteness" will hurt him in the primaries.  I'd like to know what makes you think that?  When has being white ever hurt a candidate running for president?  Is there some evidence that Democratic primary voters are biased against white people?  Or, is this simply a reaction to the fact that the field is more diverse than ever, and now people are making assumptions about what that means?  I'd like to know what evidence is out there to lead anyone to believe that being white is a disadvantage in a Democratic presidential primary.

            2. wilderness profile image97
              wildernessposted 4 months agoin reply to this

              "Pretty impressive"

              Was it?  As I recall a complete unknown raised way more than that in an unsolicited effort to fund the wall.

              1. PrettyPanther profile image85
                PrettyPantherposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                Pretty impressive relative to the other candidates. The zealotry of Trump's base is a different matter. Apples and oranges.

                1. wilderness profile image97
                  wildernessposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                  Of course it is apples and oranges.  The wall will help build and maintain the nation, Bernie will help destroy it.

    6. Onusonus profile image75
      Onusonusposted 4 months agoin reply to this

      Hard pass.
      https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/52482060_1036978443174857_1655602784713572352_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=deb6117e80206ef241a59553bbf241bf&oe=5CEDA9CC

      1. PrettyPanther profile image85
        PrettyPantherposted 4 months agoin reply to this

        Oooohhh, that's awful. He's doomed after that knife pierce to the heart.

        1. Onusonus profile image75
          Onusonusposted 4 months agoin reply to this

          Oh, I could do this all day.
          https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51252500_1037668156439219_6400510889002270720_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=c73fb7be7b9b3279c72a9f88a25cda0d&oe=5CE0EABC

          1. peterstreep profile image79
            peterstreepposted 4 months agoin reply to this

            Memes are for the simple minded.

            1. Onusonus profile image75
              Onusonusposted 4 months agoin reply to this

              Only when you don't like the content.

              1. peterstreep profile image79
                peterstreepposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                Not really, I hate those Stupid Trump memes too.
                It makes the discussion to black and white

            2. GA Anderson profile image93
              GA Andersonposted 4 months agoin reply to this

              They can also make for good entertainment. I like when memes are posted. I get to decide whether to chuckle or blast the poster with proof of the silliness of the meme.

              Leave my memes alone peterstreep! ;-)

              GA

              1. peterstreep profile image79
                peterstreepposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                Haha, well everybody has the freedom to post what they want, but I prefer a personal answer above a copy and past thing.

    7. Tim Truzy info4u profile image97
      Tim Truzy info4uposted 4 months agoin reply to this

      No, Bernie should help the most winnable candidate from his party.

    8. Sharlee01 profile image86
      Sharlee01posted 4 months agoin reply to this

      He has no chance. His counter partners like AOC have really made the public take a deep breath and look at what this socialist agenda represents. Hopefully, the Dems stay on this path. Americans innately do not like socializing. We have the greatest system in the world. In my opinion, most will not be willing to gamble on socialism. Just a tad of research on socialism shows it's downfalls.

      1. Miebakagh57 profile image48
        Miebakagh57posted 4 months agoin reply to this

        Well, like Hitler's Germany I suppose/ Thank you.

  2. Live to Learn profile image82
    Live to Learnposted 4 months ago

    I think Bernie is too real and honest to not sink in the swamp of the current democratic field. He doesn't appear to lie, he doesn't appear to jump on the bandwagon of the current lynch mobs of the left and he doesn't appear to have a penchant for being a media whore.

    No. Bernie is you to decent for them now.

    1. Miebakagh57 profile image48
      Miebakagh57posted 4 months agoin reply to this

      Hey, Live to Learn, really? More, please. And, thanks.

      1. Live to Learn profile image82
        Live to Learnposted 4 months agoin reply to this

        I respect Bernie Sanders. He ran an honest campaign based on his outlandish ideas. He was cheated by Hillary, he was disparaged by the higher ups at the DNC. His campaign was undermined by the DNC. He met it all with a fair amount of grace.

        Trump, for better or worse, changed the way campaigns are run. We hear the left whining about his lies but the field we see unfolding have some who have built their reputations on lies, some refusing to apologize or back down when caught in their lies, and using smear campaigns of innuendo to dig their heels into other's backs.

        Bernie, for all of his pie in the sky ideas was, at the least, someone who could be respected for his integrity.

        1. PrettyPanther profile image85
          PrettyPantherposted 4 months agoin reply to this

          "but the field we see unfolding have some who have built their reputations on lies, some refusing to apologize or back down when caught in their lies, and using smear campaigns of innuendo to dig their heels into other's backs. "

          I haven't seen this. I'm not saying it hasn't happened, but I follow politics fairly closely and am not clear on who has done this or is doing this. Can you provide some sources?

          1. Live to Learn profile image82
            Live to Learnposted 4 months agoin reply to this

            Why would I bother pp? No offense, but I'm done with pointless discussions. The things I see as lies on the left you'll respond with something inane like 'Yeh? That's OK because ... what about Trump?'

            1. PrettyPanther profile image85
              PrettyPantherposted 4 months agoin reply to this

              Okay, easy way out.

              1. Live to Learn profile image82
                Live to Learnposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                Just calling uncle. There's no point to engage. You are never going to attempt to be reasonable in any dialogue with me.

        2. Miebakagh57 profile image48
          Miebakagh57posted 4 months agoin reply to this

          Hey, LtL, then Bernie can neither be influenced by the left or right?

          1. Live to Learn profile image82
            Live to Learnposted 4 months agoin reply to this

            I suppose he can be influenced by either, if the thrust of the influence would further his agenda.

            1. Miebakagh57 profile image48
              Miebakagh57posted 4 months agoin reply to this

              LtL, Okay, is his agenda good enough for the United State and the world? You know for sure that the world is now a global village. Everyone is greatly affected, and thanks.

  3. profile image75
    Hxprofposted 4 months ago

    If he isn't offering any more than other socialist candidates, no, he won't do well.  The last time it was Sanders and Clinton, where there was an obvious difference.

  4. Kathryn L Hill profile image79
    Kathryn L Hillposted 4 months ago

    He does not have an iota of a chance. Times have changed and he is a has-been.

  5. Onusonus profile image75
    Onusonusposted 4 months ago

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    1. PrettyPanther profile image85
      PrettyPantherposted 4 months agoin reply to this

      Running out of legitimate criticisms for your memes?

      1. Onusonus profile image75
        Onusonusposted 4 months agoin reply to this

        What?

    2. Miebakagh57 profile image48
      Miebakagh57posted 4 months agoin reply to this

      Hey, there, how many homes does President Trump has before running for the presidency? Does not his age parallel that of Bernie as an old man? His he not physically fit? President Trump is 80 plus or you can correct me. Thanks.

      1. Onusonus profile image75
        Onusonusposted 4 months agoin reply to this

        Went right over your head.

        Unlike liberals, I don't care about what the person looks like or how much money they have.

  6. Miebakagh57 profile image48
    Miebakagh57posted 4 months ago

    GA, is not President Trump, an old man? I take it that your system has prescribed the age limit, otherwise, no person of Sanders age will view for the presidency. I am also of the view that certain old men and women are still strong mentally and bodily. Thanks.

    1. GA Anderson profile image93
      GA Andersonposted 4 months agoin reply to this

      Miebakagh, my thoughts have nothing to do with the actuality of being an old white man. And certainly, nothing to do with Pres. Trump.

      The degree of "oldness" and being white have nothing to do with Pres. Trump being a white man holding the office of the presidency.

      And, it has is nothing to do with legal age or "whiteness" in my thought,. It is all about the "new" Democrat mindset, which is in the direction of minority status and non-whiteness.

      GA

      1. Miebakagh57 profile image48
        Miebakagh57posted 4 months agoin reply to this

        GA, okay, got it, and thanks.

  7. Onusonus profile image75
    Onusonusposted 4 months ago

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    1. Miebakagh57 profile image48
      Miebakagh57posted 4 months agoin reply to this

      But what does the government control?  Tax?

  8. hard sun profile image85
    hard sunposted 4 months ago

    I'm just throwing in my opinion here. I think I agree with GA on this one.  Sanders being old and white will hurt him in the primaries and the same goes for Biden. However, I don't think anyone but an old white guy is going to win the general election. Maybe Beto gives the Dems a chance as he's not so old.

    If Trump is not impeached, he'll probably face a minority and/or a woman, and he'll win.  Unfortunately, that's just the way I see it.

    1. GA Anderson profile image93
      GA Andersonposted 4 months agoin reply to this

      I think that is worry of the Democratic Party too hard sun.

      GA

      1. wilderness profile image97
        wildernessposted 4 months agoin reply to this

        But is that really a problem?  Just rig the primary again and all is well.

        Now if he chose to run as an independent it's a whole different ball game!

        1. Tim Truzy info4u profile image97
          Tim Truzy info4uposted 4 months agoin reply to this

          How far will that go, Wilderness? We know independence don't do well. But there is so much hate floating around, who knows? (That;s both sides.)
          I know this, if they think they can win by bashing Trump, they have another thing coming.
          They will have to try something else. Trump is better at bashing. In that, he's a gifted tormentor.
          They will have to focus on policies not the man. And their policy ideas will have to include those who felt left behind: my White American brothers and sisters.
          If they can split his "hurt" coalition, they might be on to something; while at the same time, uniting the other "hurt" groups, they might be on to something.
          Or just rig the elections.

        2. GA Anderson profile image93
          GA Andersonposted 4 months agoin reply to this

          I sure don't see that "Independent" thing happening.

          GA

          1. wilderness profile image97
            wildernessposted 4 months agoin reply to this

            No it won't.  It would be a sure fire thing for Trump's re-election, and if there is one thing Bernie has made clear is that he will do most anything to prevent that.  Even giving up a chance at the oval room himself.

  9. Onusonus profile image75
    Onusonusposted 4 months ago

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    1. Miebakagh57 profile image48
      Miebakagh57posted 4 months agoin reply to this

      Thank you.

  10. Kathryn L Hill profile image79
    Kathryn L Hillposted 4 months ago

    And there's no recovering from socialism once it has taken hold. Its a downward spiral into to the dismal bleakness and blackness of death.

    You like death?

    ... paint it black, Sanders et al. Paint it black.

    Meanwhile, the rest of us will follow the sun.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgCkeYGlNXc

    1. Miebakagh57 profile image48
      Miebakagh57posted 4 months agoin reply to this

      Hi, Kathryn, glad to note that. Good day.

 
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