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   Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years ago

   What changes, benefits or detriments might she bring forth?

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      Ken Burgessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      EW would put a “total moratorium on all new fossil fuel leases for drilling offshore and on public lands,” and she would "ban fracking everywhere. “
      
      An oil production slowdown in the United States could actually lead to a spike in oil and natural gas prices.
      
      Renewables could be a big winner in a Warren White House as the focus shifts to clean energy.  Which would coincide with Tesla, Ford and GM's combined efforts to go EV.
      
      So long as the tax incentives return for those who purchase a new EV and convert to non-ICE vehicles, I have no problem with this.  I like the idea of switching the country totally from ICE vehicles, making it all illegal for anything but rare classic cars to be on the roads come 2028.
      
      This would also be a huge boon for the auto industry, to refit the entire nation's fleet of automobiles in a relatively short period of time would keep a dying industry alive (those like Tesla and GM who are ready for it).
      
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      Healthcare will be a issue that I suspect she will not be able to tackle, the Pharma, Insurance, Medical industry are just too big, too powerful... the only thing the ACA did was make them richer at the expense of working and retired Americans, with the excuse that a small (1 or 2%) of the population that couldn't get insurance before now got it.
      
      We will not see Big Pharma, Insurance, Commercialized Medicine, done away with in America... anything that is passed by Congress will be like the ACA, something that makes things worse for the majority of Americans, not better.
      
      Trump couldn't get them to repeal the ACA despite his "majority".
      Congress is too corrupt for any President to overcome to defeat the giants of the medical industry.
      
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      Wall St. taxation, this is her primary focus, and it always has been, this is where she will use her political capital to make change.
      
      Increasing the taxes on the capital gains rate to match the tax rate on income, and placing a limit on tax-free capital gains earned, a tax increase on the rich overall, I think this will be where she focuses her efforts... not on Healthcare, not on Energy (that will be secondary and easier to accomplish), but on taxation of Wealth.
      
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      My concern is that she keeps up pressure on China, and does not give in to their efforts to dominate the globe and do in our economy.

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         PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         The other quality that I see in Elizabeth Warren is that she approaches everything she does with diligence, in-depth knowledge, competence, and real courage.  Obviously, she will also approach everything from a particular point of view, which I realize not everyone agrees with.  But, at least we can be sure she will only support actions that are well thought out and based on real data and knowledge, even if they are also dramatically different from the mainstream. In other words, she will be both competent and innovative.  I think some people hoped Trump would be innovative and were sorely disappointed. That is one reason I do not agree with those who say Warren cannot win a general election.  People voted for Trump because they wanted to shake up the system.  The problem is, in order to effect real change, one must work within the system, not simply take a sledgehammer to it.
         
         I think if anyone has a chance of reigning in corruption, it is Elizabeth Warren.

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            Ken Burgessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            
            
            I think he has fought a good fight against the corruption rampant in D.C.
            
            For those who have open eyes, we have seen a cabal that has been exposed. Comey, Brennan, Strzok, Clinton, and many more have been flushed out of D.C.  these people considered themselves above the law, or a law unto themselves, rules didn't apply to them... power hungry, corrupt to the core, willing to send millions to their deaths without the slightest concern.
            
            But I don't think D.C. is close to being cleaned up, those who are traitors to the people of America have lost some of their top leadership, but there are many more where they came from... Biden is one such of them.
            
            Say what you want of Trump, but he is the only President in 30 years that has challenged China's march to global domination.
            
            Trump is the only President in the last 30 years that hasn't found an excuse to start a new war or occupy another country.
            
            Trump is the only President in 25 years that told countries like Canada, Mexico, and Germany that the trade agreements that were hurting our economy were no longer going to work.
            
            Trump has kept the economy chugging along, better than it had been doing in decades.  And if that is still the case come November 2020, it will be the defacto reason why he gets re-elected.
            
            
            
            You under-estimate the depths of the corruption.  You have to attack it openly, for it will certainly attack you.
            
            Russian Conspiracy... contrived to cripple Trump's Administration right out of the gate, and take away as many of his supporters as they could.
            
            Ukraine Quid Pro Quo.... I want to know how looking into Biden's BLATANT corruption and abuse of position became an investigation into Trump?
            
            Oh, that's right, a corrupt Congress and even more corrupt Media (controlled by the worst elements out there).  CNN, NYTimes, WPost, are tools of powerful people who have agendas, nothing more than propaganda outlets... anyone who thinks they are bastions of truth and defenders of liberty are kidding themselves.
            
            The same forces arrayed against Trump will work to defeat/deter Warren as well.

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               PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

               I'm sorry. I cannot ever view Trump as more honorable than Brennan or Comey.  Nor Clinton, for that matter.
               
               As for the rest, I'll just let it be.

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                  Ken Burgessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  One doesn't have to see the good in Trump.
                  
                  One merely has to recognize the corruption of those who desperately tried to remain in power.
                  
                  I don't care if someone likes or hates Trump, just so long as they recognize the cover ups and criminal acts of Clinton and the rest.
                  
                  Warren I can support, because she isn't a 'life long' corrupt D.C. hack, like Biden is, like Clinton was.

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                     MizBejabbersposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                     Clinton wasn't a "lifelong DC hack". The Clintons were basically newcomers to DC, proven by the fact that Bill previously had served 6 terms as governor of the State of Arkansas. Republicans just don't like them because Bill left a balanced-budget in his wake every time he served in a capacity where he could do that, and Republicans hate the sound of "balanced budget."

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                        Ken Burgessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                        The Clintons were newcomers... back in the early 90s.
                        
                        More than 20 years later.. that makes them DC hacks.
                        
                        The type that never leaves until they are forced to leave.
                        
                        Bush, Clinton, Bush, SoS Clinton.... 2016 D.C. insiders wanted yet another Bush to run against Clinton.
                        
                        Nothing says 'lifer' like a quarter century of the same two families vying for position and power in D.C.

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               Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

               Your thoughts about Comey. Brennan, etc. are out of Hannity's and Limbaugh's playbook, Ken. But you'll find out really how wonderful Trump is when the hearings are open to the public in a week or two.   Get your new excuses ready......

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      gmwilliamsposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      That IS if Ms. Warren becomes president.

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      Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

      None. her agenda is insulting to anyone that can add 2 + 2...   She is pandering to the simple-minded, the ones with their hand out. Unfortunately, this type can be told just about anything and they believe it. Fortunately, this type is in the minority. 
      
      One would think the Dems would realize this promise them anything politicking does not sell well anymore. Actually it is demeaning to most.

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         PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         And Mexico will pay for the wall! And we'll lock her up! And I won't play golf!
         
         And so much winning! You'll be sick of winning!
         
         Those are promises for those with complex thinking skills, though.

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            promisemposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            And I won't make hundreds of millions of dollars from taxpayers by forcing government employees to stay in my resorts.
            
            "A $1 trillion spending bill Trump signed Friday while in Bedminster includes $61 million to reimburse law enforcement agencies for the costs of protecting Trump and his family when they are at his private properties in New York and Florida. "
            
            "That bill also adds $58 million for additional Secret Service costs such as rent in Trump Tower and housing for agents at Mar-a-Lago."
            
            https://fortune.com/2017/05/08/donald-t … ity-costs/
            
            And that's just the security costs.

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               Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

               How about discussing the question?  -"What changes, benefits or detriments might she (Warren) bring forth?"
               
               What's your thought on Warren? What changes, benefits or detriments might she (Warren) bring forth?"
               
               Why deflect off subject with old repeats of what you feel Trump has perpetrated?

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                  promisemposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  I was responding directly to Panther's comment. That means it wasn't a deflection.
                  
                  Her comment was in response to your partisan and inflammatory rhetoric, which truly was off topic:
                  
                  "Unfortunately, this type can be told just about anything and they believe it. Fortunately, this type is in the minority."
                  
                  Otherwise, feel free to ask me directly about Warren in a civil way and I will reply accordingly.

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                     PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                     Perfect response.

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                     Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                     My apologies. the comment was meant for PP. My mistake.

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                     Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                     Actually I only commented on the threads question. PP stepped in and it's old news now...
                     
                     PrettyPanther profile image84PrettyPantherposted 25 hours ago
                     
                     My first comment - SHARLEE01 WROTE:
                     None. her agenda is insulting to anyone that can add 2 + 2...   She is pandering to the simple-minded, the ones with their hand out. Unfortunately, this type can be told just about anything and they believe it. Fortunately, this type is in the minority.
                     
                     One would think the Dems would realize this promise them anything politicking does not sell well anymore. Actually it is demeaning to most.
                     
                     PrettyPanther reply  --- And Mexico will pay for the wall! And we'll lock her up! And I won't play golf!
                     
                     And so much winning! You'll be sick of winning!
                     
                     Those are promises for those with complex thinking skills, though.

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               PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

               And I'll share my tax returns after I'm elected.
               
               

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                  Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Fact --- "I will share my tax records after they are done with the audit." Context matters.

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            Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

            "Complex thinking skills"  I will take this opportunity to reorient you to the subject. The question that was asked;   I was responding to the subject of the thread ---"What changes, benefits or detriments might she (Warren) bring forth?"  Nowhere in my comment was the mention of  Trump or any comparison of  Warren.
            
            Here are the comment and your reply ----
            "SHARLEE01 WROTE:
            None. her agenda is insulting to anyone that can add 2 + 2...   She is pandering to the simple-minded, the ones with their hand out. Unfortunately, this type can be told just about anything and they believe it. Fortunately, this type is in the minority.
            
            One would think the Dems would realize this promise them anything politicking does not sell well anymore. Actually it is demeaning to most."
            
            Your reply
            "And Mexico will pay for the wall! And we'll lock her up! And I won't play golf!
            
            And so much winning! You'll be sick of winning!
            
            Those are promises for those with complex thinking skills, though."
            
            Complex thinking skills should allow one to respond to the subject being asked. Not having to resort to deflecting to the past, regurgitating old unrelated subjects. Trump's wall has been beaten to death and has nothing to do with what Warren  or the agenda she is offering. I am not going to list Trump's accomplishments on a thread about Warren.
            
            I am not a recruiter or do I care what anyone else thinks about the president. I feel he is doing a good job solving many problems that have plagued the country for a very long time. All the "he said this, and he said that" means nothing to me. It's all about his job performance.
            
            It appears you have a history of playing the comparison game, deflecting off subject.  I am not about to play that game.  Move on, that game gets old and I must say boring. How about discussing Warren, the subject?
            
            Work on your own thinking skills... It's very apparent you need to.

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               PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

               Since you judged people who support Warren as "simple-minded," and you are Trump defender, I am exercising my simple-mindedness to point out that you, the judger, support a candidate who promised Mexico would pay for a wall, among other equally ludicrous things.
               
               Just wondering why you haven't identified Trump voters as simple-minded?
               
               Oh, never mind. lol

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                  Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  I guess you could have surmised I voted for Trump due to his promise to build "the wall". It is clear you take a lot for granted. I voted for Trump due to his agenda to decrease tax, get rid of ISIS, and hopefully to pull out of NAFA and renegotiate a new trade deal with Canada as well as Mexico. And hopefully to get a fairer trade deal with China. Never bought into the Wall BS. However, he has just about full filed my wish list... Oh, he also promised to get people off Welfare, check. I could go on but not about to waste my energy.

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                     PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                     I guess you surmise simple-minded Warren supporters vote for her because of her promises, too.  If you don't like assumptions being made about you, perhaps you should stop making assumptions about others.

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                        Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                        Could you address my comment? Once again you deflect. We were discussing the Wall and the fact you felt I voted for Trump due to his promise to build the wall. I pointed out I did not vote for him for that promise. I have provided you with the reason I voted for Trump, and that he has lept most of the promises he made that gave me the incentive to vote for him.
                        
                        To address your present comment --- I think my very first  post on this thread gives my thoughts very clearly. To repeat ---None. her agenda is insulting to anyone that can add 2 + 2...   She is pandering to the simple-minded, the ones with their hand out. Unfortunately, this type can be told just about anything and they believe it. Fortunately, this type is in the minority.
                        
                        One would think the Dems would realize this promise them anything politicking does not sell well anymore. Actually it is demeaning to most."
                        
                        Fist, no one has voted for the 2020 election?
                        Second, yes I feel many simple-minded people would vote for Warren due to her promises.  In all reality, she knows her promises are unobtainable. She is pandering to people that are not realistic in regard to the cost of her promises. her promises are unrealistic.
                        
                        I have made my point you can't concentrate on subject and deflect. You have done just that once again.

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      Justin Earickposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Warren is a life-long conservative who was abandoned by the Republican Party and absorbed into the Democrat Party by default. She fundamentally disagrees that the current system is inherently flawed. She talks tough to individual Wall Street executives, but since she lacks understanding of the roots and depths of our problems she has no hope of dealing with let alone defeating them. She's just okay and okay won't beat Trump - let alone the system which produced his ascension to power

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      Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

      She has nothing to offer... Her agenda is one that is highly ridiculous. I personally feel she is ill equipt to be president. Warren openly panders with promises she herself realizes she could never achieve. It makes one wonder? Why the Dems can't come up with a candidate that offers a good attractive agenda? Go figure...

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         Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         Did she say Mexico will pay for the wall like another candidate promised in his agenda? 

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            Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Actually that new trade dal will have lots of money going into our piggy bank.  Plus has kept so many of his promises, who's keeping count...
            
            So, you are backing Warren?

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   Live to Learnposted 5 years ago

   None. Elizabeth Warren is a politician who has proven herself to be a successful chameleon, changing stated views to garner votes.  If she wins the primary she'll have to morph into another complete stance to woo the 45% of democrats who say they aren't liberal.
   
   Just another politician whoring themselves for votes with the ultimate goal to gain power, not serve the people.

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