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  1. PhoenixV profile image66
    PhoenixVposted 18 months ago

    Imagine a President that is not impeached for IRS targeting, illegally running guns to Mexico, sending cash to our #1 enemy, allowing the sale of uranium to Russia, & using FISA to spy on opponents, but another is impeached for asking for an investigation into corruption. -Tim Donnelly

    1. Readmikenow profile image96
      Readmikenowposted 18 months agoin reply to this

      Imagine a president who can do all of those things and not be held accountable by the US Congress, Senate or the media.

    2. Ken Burgess profile image89
      Ken Burgessposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      Interesting times we live in, isn't it?

      Up is down, right is wrong....

      That is what makes this Impeachment all the more interesting, have we entered into a time in our (American) history where feelings and opinions trump fact and original intent of rules and laws?

      Have we entered into a time where reality is what we are told it is, and not what our eyes and ears tells us it is?

      How many believed or still believe the myriad charges against Trump related to the Russian Conspiracy hoax?  How many still view CNN as a news source, rather than the pure political propaganda machine that it is?

      How many choose to ignore the fact that Hunter and Joe took a flight to China on Air Force II, and ten days later Hunter's Investment Firm had a nice 1.5 Billion dollars delivered to it by a Chinese bank?

      How many choose not to question why Joe and Hunter were involved in the Ukraine at all?  This is the country from which Clinton also received millions in 'donations', and where Clinton & the CIA's efforts to overthrow the government culminated in the current annexation of Crimea by Russia.

      It was only when Clinton's puppet regime was overthrown by the people who voted in Volodymyr Zelensky (a comedian no one outside the Ukraine took seriously) that Trump made the call to congratulate him, and ask him to look into all the corrupt activities of Clinton and Biden, that this even became an issue.

      Up is down... right is wrong... and the President's off-the-cuff request to look into corrupt activities within the Ukraine by members of the former Administration is an impeachable offense.

    3. peterstreep profile image82
      peterstreepposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      I'm flabbergasted by the people who voted a president that talks about women like "grab them by the pussy" in the first place. Why did America have problems with Bill Clinton misusing his power for sexual pleasure and people don't bother about the misuse of power by Donald Trump for the same thing?

      1. Sharlee01 profile image84
        Sharlee01posted 17 months agoin reply to this

        And you know what, Clinton and Trump did have a problem in regards to respecting women. One other thing they have in common was job performance. That might give you a hint to what many American's think about. With all the problems with his impeachment, Clinton won his second term, and most likely so will Trump.

        1. peterstreep profile image82
          peterstreepposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          I guess a populist as a leader was a long time in the make and didn’t happen overnight. 
          It shows that intelligence and know how are not that important anymore  when it comes to the job of the presidency of the US. Lots of twitter followers, known from TV and a lot of money will be enough, A sad thing.

          1. Sharlee01 profile image84
            Sharlee01posted 17 months agoin reply to this

            I have to bring in Hillary to make a point, otherwise, I wouldn't.
            Hillary was well known, most of her notoriety came from scandal from the minute she came onto the political scene. Her scandals were all well televised. There is very little positive history she offered as a presidential candidate. She is very wealthy and accumulated wealth while in public office. Yet she won the popular vote... Intelligence, know-how, did you vote for Hillary?   

            Not sure how intelligent it would be to not give both these presidents credit for intelligence and now how. Both proved to be very good presidents when it came to the job of running the country. And in my book, that's what they were hired for.

            1. Randy Godwin profile image61
              Randy Godwinposted 17 months agoin reply to this

              Trump seems to average several scandals a week caused mainly by his mouth. We can't tell how dunb Trump actually is, because like every other facet of his life, he hides the truth, Like his taxes, his medical records, and his school records. But you don't wonder why he's so insistent in doing so, Shar.

              Your complete lack of curiosity is something rare to behold.

              1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                Sharlee01posted 17 months agoin reply to this

                I am in no way curious to see his school records. His taxes are private as yours and mine. His health records are all over the internet. He had his last physical at Walter Reed, and I completely trust that institution as being one of our best. He got a clean bill of health other than being overweight. And a slightly high Cholesterol.  So, rest assured he is healthy for the time being..LOL

                1. Randy Godwin profile image61
                  Randy Godwinposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                  No surprise Shar, you believe everything he utters, as does his entire bunch of enablers. So why did he send a couple of strong arms to seize his medical records from his longtime doctor's files?

                  Spin that one for me! It seems you really do trust his words. In that case, I'm sorry for you. sad

                  1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                    Sharlee01posted 17 months agoin reply to this

                    Randy, you are going way back in the files for that one. Come on, time for some new bashing material. How about that great China deal or the Mexico/Canada, South Korea, Japan trade deals. All benefiting America.  Hey, it's tax time, I know I am smiling,  I got to keep more of my money. And the cherry on top I don't have to start taking cash from my 401k until I reach 72. I love this, and Trump provided this perk. Need I go on?

                    Hopefully, you will tune in tonight and have a listen to his State Of Union speech. I am so sure he will provide a new list of problems he will solve in his next 5 years.

            2. peterstreep profile image82
              peterstreepposted 17 months agoin reply to this

              I was talking about presidents, not runner ups.
              I said a couple of times that I'm not an American citizen. It saddens me to see that you only have a choice between two candidates who will become President. In my view, the US is not a democracy. As it is possible that you can become a president without having the majority of the votes. But that's a different topic again.
              I would not have voted for Hillary either for Trump. As they are both corrupt rich kids coming from the powers that be families. Trump is worse in the respect that he is also a racist, sexist and does not actively condemn extreme rightwing actions. But I'm a bit tired of this discussion.
              I think the US is tired of Trump too, all that twitter raving, The mistrust between Europe and the US has never been that high. The respect has never been that low. Maybe Americans don't care what foreign leaders and people think about their head of state. But I would be ashamed of my president if I was an American citizen. And this is not a conservative vs liberal thing. It's about respect. I did respect Bush sr. and Obama. Bush jr. and Bill Clinton less but Donald Trump is simply disrespectful, a sexist and a pathological liar with only self-interest. I can not have any respect for him. And I don't think he is good at his job either. (how many people are fired under reign? lost count)

              1. Readmikenow profile image96
                Readmikenowposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                I'm not a citizen in a European country, but I do know that the US economy is much stronger than that of all Europe.  President Donald Trump fixed a number of bad trade deals for the United States around the world. Europe is also very dependent on the United States for military aid.  Many of them are angry because he wants them to pay what they have agreed to pay for their defense. I say they should have done this without being called on it.  See, the United States is now energy independent.  We can export oil, that is not the case in Europe. Much of this success has happened during the time we have had President Donald Trump.  So, what he did before he became president doesn't bother me.  If his words hurt some emotionally weak individual, It doesn't bother me.

                1. peterstreep profile image82
                  peterstreepposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                  You would probably be surprised. And I was too, to be honest when I googled your claim about " US economy is much stronger than that of all Europe." I wanted to know how strong the US economy is vs. Europe.
                  Truth is different though: The largest economy is China, then Europe and then the US. (measured 2018).
                  But everything is debatable of course when you talk about figures...
                  source. (and I guess there are more, this one was the first I picked on Google.)
                  https://www.thebalance.com/world-s-larg … my-3306044

                  The US was for ages independent on its own oil riches. This has nothing to do with Trump and starts already in the Bush Sr. era. The war in Iraq was not to get more oil but to control the oil flow in the world.

                  International relations have to do with trust. There was trust between Europe and the US, independent if it was a Republican or Democrat government. Trump changed the whole relationship with the rest of the world. His idea of America first means, America isolated. And if you think that Trump's policies are better then Reagan, Bush or Obama, who had strong relationships with Europe and the UK. Well so be it.

                  1. Readmikenow profile image96
                    Readmikenowposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                    "But everything is debatable of course when you talk about figures...source."

                    You are absolutely right.

                    Here is an article from Business insider claiming the US is the strongest economy in the world for 2019-20

                    https://www.businessinsider.in/top-10-l … 547252.cms

                    Actually, the United States wasn't completely energy independent until 2017.  Prior to this it had the "potential" to become energy independent.  President Donald Trump did away with a number of harmful regulations, got the keystone pipeline completed and more.  Now the American energy companies are able to do what they do best and discover and harness energy sources.  President Donald Trump brought back our coal industry, it really suffered under obama.

                    America first means we must take care of ourselves and our citizens before we can help anyone else. I believe every country should take are of itself and its citizens first. 

                    Yes, I believe his policies are better than our previous president. 

                    I read in an European newspaper how they compared the UK's new Prime Minister Boris Johnson to President Donald Trump.  They are similar.  It does lead to the question that if Europeans are deep down admiring President Donald Trump and really want a president like him. 

                    It would be a good topic for a debate.

    4. Sharlee01 profile image84
      Sharlee01posted 17 months agoin reply to this

      Impeachment of Obama would have looked very different than the impeachment of Trump. Just due to there was a lot of factual evidence of some of the crimes you have listed.  Although, it would all depend on a House that was willing to do their job collecting the solid factual evidence.

  2. abwilliams profile image68
    abwilliamsposted 17 months ago

    All done so blatantly, with such urgency (well except for that time Nancy had the Articles for an extended sleepover)

    We have so much work to do in educating our children/young adults; bringing back civics into the classrooms, instilling in them a pride in what makes this Nation so special. They must learn it all; not just selective parts and pieces.
    Then, on their own...they’ll know what it means to live in this great Republic and will recognize when they are being fed bs and when they’re not.

    1. wilderness profile image96
      wildernessposted 17 months agoin reply to this

      *shudder*  Can you imagine what our liberal colleges and universities would teach in a civics class?

      But yes, somehow we need to teach civics to our children.  REAL civics, not the liberal spin.  A healthy dose of the constitution would help as well.

      1. abwilliams profile image68
        abwilliamsposted 17 months agoin reply to this

        REAL civics, REAL American History, a REAL in-depth study of the U.S. Constitution. Wouldn't that be something?

        1. wilderness profile image96
          wildernessposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          I can't think of much that would be better for our kids than a years worth of high school class on our Constitution.  Might put an end to the constant litany of "That isn't Constitutional" on matters that aren't even addressed in the Constitution.

          1. Randy Godwin profile image61
            Randy Godwinposted 17 months agoin reply to this

            Right! It's apparent you guys don't understand the Constitution, especially oversight , and abuse of power. Does this mean you guys attended a Liberal college? tongue

          2. abwilliams profile image68
            abwilliamsposted 17 months agoin reply to this

            I have a petition circulating in my State, FLORIDA, for that very thing. A mandatory (1) year high school course (preferably freshmen year) with a 6-8 week introduction to the course, to be taught in middle school.

            1. Randy Godwin profile image61
              Randy Godwinposted 17 months agoin reply to this

              Knowing Florida like I do, they'll probably put the Bible as required reading as well. lol

              1. abwilliams profile image68
                abwilliamsposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                Maybe they should!

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                  PrettyPantherposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                  You'd like that, huh?

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image61
                    Randy Godwinposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                    So would anyone who believes Trump exemplifies a true Xtian by his actions.

                2. Randy Godwin profile image61
                  Randy Godwinposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                  And the Koran, the Talmud, the Book of Mormon, and every other religious cult. Right? Or just the Bible?

                  1. abwilliams profile image68
                    abwilliamsposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                    You brought up the Bible, I didn’t. But, since you did, the Mayflower Compact, was a religious document, which stated that our right to self-governance, is derived from God. The Mayflower Compact was instrumental in the wording of our Declaration of Independence. The Declaration of Independence was the promise; the Constitution, the fulfillment.
                    So, yes, I’d have no problem with the Bible utilized in the in-depth study of the U.S. Constitution.
                    As for the other books you’ve mentioned, they had nothing to do with our founding.

        2. peterstreep profile image82
          peterstreepposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          Yes, a country build on slavery, the genocide of Indians, Apartheid till the '50s. Remember Rosa Parks?
          If you want to teach civics, show the reality.
          Every country has it's moments of glory (first men on the moon etc.) and black pages. Both need to be addressed. You learn just as much from the nasty things in history as the things to be proud of.
          If you want to fight racism, extreme ideologies. it's good to learn kids, where they originate.
          I was shown the movie "The Wave" (1981) when I was at High School. A great educational film about the question "Why did Hitler get so much support?"
          Why do people behave this way?

          1. abwilliams profile image68
            abwilliamsposted 17 months agoin reply to this

            You could stand a course or two...or five.

            1. abwilliams profile image68
              abwilliamsposted 17 months agoin reply to this

              It was not my intention to leave my comment with that one line.  The United States of America wasn't built on slavery, but the United States of America sure as heck ended it! We can talk about the Native American and genocide, but only if you want to talk about Andrew Jackson. We can talk about the party of the KKK and we can talk about the anti-KKK party.
              Our youth need to hear everything!  I've never claimed that we are perfect. I don't wish to whitewash our history, tear down statues, revise history, the left is responsible for all of that. We need to teach it all, the good, the bad, the ugly.

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                PrettyPantherposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                You are not interested in reaching civics so much as spreading right-wing propaganda.

                1. abwilliams profile image68
                  abwilliamsposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                  I am only interested in the truth, what are you interested in?

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                    PrettyPantherposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                    Riigghht.

                  2. crankalicious profile image95
                    crankaliciousposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                    There's some truth in history, but there's way more perspective.

              2. peterstreep profile image82
                peterstreepposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                “I don’t want to whitewash....the left is responsible for all of that.” - a bit 1 dimensional don't you think. To easy.
                The US was built on slavery, like most western countries. My country (Netherlands) sold slaves by the thousands to Americans,..who made tons of money because cheap labour. I learned that slaves constructed the railways or isn’t that true?  We should not forget this part of history as tens of thousands suffered and died because of racism.
                Today the western world uses cheap labour in Mexico, African countries, India etc. How do you think its possible to buy sneakers for $20.
                It’s easy to talk about the great things. Like the moon landing and the invention of the contraception pill but I think we learn more from our mistakes then our triumphs.

                1. blueheron profile image93
                  blueheronposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                  Chattel slavery is as old as humanity. Its documented existence goes back thousands of years, and it is likely that it existed for thousands of years before recorded history. Native Americans had slaves. Black Americans were slaveholders prior to the Civil War. Slavery still exists today in some countries.

                  If the United States has a distinction in this matter, the distinction is that we were in the forefront in abolishing it. Thousands of white Americans fought and died in the Civil War to abolish slavery.

                  I would also say that the US has for many years had the distinction of doing more to combat racism and provide economic opportunity for black Americans than any other country in the world.

                  The US railroads were built primarily by Chinese immigrant labor. They were not slaves.

                  "Slavery" is a term that may have more than one definition, though the word generally refers to chattel slavery. One may expand the definition of slavery to include the exploitation of the labor of others by means of various legal and institutional structures established by governments, worldwide. This is a very big subject and would be deserving of your attention.

                  The US can claim some distinction in the matter of exploiting the labor of other nations. The chief mechanism for this is the dollar as the reserve currency. Yet this and the related systems and institutions also work serious hardship on Americans in quite a number of ways: the exporting of the US manufacturing base and its breadwinner jobs, and the debasement of the currency, to name two--but there are many more.

                  You can also make a pretty good argument that the availability of cheap labor in China, Mexico, India, Africa, etc., has quite a bit more to do with the lack of economic opportunity in these countries--caused mostly by their own corrupt governments. It is difficult to parse out who exactly is to blame for this. You can make a case that the corruption and economic stagnation of African countries is related to colonialism. But you can also make a pretty good case that many of these countries fare far worse after throwing off the yoke of colonialism and becoming self-governing--that, in other words, the lack of economic progress and opportunity has more than one source, and possibly more important sources than colonialism. For one thing, the average IQ in Africa is below 70. This is a great disadvantage.

                  My point is that many, or most, of the transgressions you are laying at the door of the US might better be laid at the door of humanity in the aggregate.

                  If these are matters to be taught in schools, it would be best to teach them in a meaningful context of human history as a whole.

                2. crankalicious profile image95
                  crankaliciousposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                  How do you think American history is taught? Have you taken a history course recently?

                  I suspect that what you know of the teaching of American history comes from some propaganda report you saw on Fox News about how some stupid, undereducated, underpaid rogue teacher decided to go off-script and teach something personal. Just a guess.

                  But please, do provide your expertise on this subject.

                  1. abwilliams profile image68
                    abwilliamsposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                    Many parts of our history have been reduced to a paragraph in a textbook. As a result, a lot of assumptions have been made and a lot of those assumptions aren't based in truth. (ex: Many students are adults before they realize that Lincoln was a Republican or why the Republican Party came into existence)

                    I do not blame teachers for this though, as you have done here.

                    1. crankalicious profile image95
                      crankaliciousposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                      Like what? Do you have examples of how history is taught that is not true?

                      And Lincoln's Republican Party did not really resemble the current Republican Party, so you might need to read up on that. Every class I've ever taken about Lincoln and every book I've ever read mentions he was part of the Republican Party. Show me any textbook that doesn't mention it.

                      And most American history textbooks summarize issues because that is what textbooks do.

                      What parts of our history have been reduced to paragraphs in textbooks that you find objectionable or untrue?

          2. crankalicious profile image95
            crankaliciousposted 17 months agoin reply to this

            Please define "real American history".

            1. abwilliams profile image68
              abwilliamsposted 17 months agoin reply to this

              REAL - Actually existing as a thing or occurring in fact; not imagined or supposed.

              1. Randy Godwin profile image61
                Randy Godwinposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                Like Mexico will pay for the wall?

                1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                  Sharlee01posted 17 months agoin reply to this

                  We have a wonderful new trade agreement with Mexico, and funds that are going into America's coffers. Ultimately Mexico is helping pay for the wall. And helping out with immigration problems. Seems Trump has become good partners with Mexico.

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image61
                    Randy Godwinposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                    Funds going into America's coffers are tariffs we are paying to the Farmers who's bankruptcy rate have skyrocketed, under the cad.

                    1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                      Sharlee01posted 17 months agoin reply to this

                      I suggest you have a look at the first part of the China deal. It's wonderful for farmers. Farmers have been given the shaft for many decades. Never was fair, they were the backbone of our Country. And deserved our support as well as fair a fair trading field. Trump has been working for the farmers. I give him great credit for even trying. No other present in many years gave them any consideration.

                      The deal commits China to buy $36 billion in U.S. farm products in 2020 and $43 billion in 2021
                      .
                      Given that there are slightly more than 2 million farms in the U.S., the 2019 bankruptcy data reveals a bankruptcy rate of approximately 2.95 bankruptcies per 10,000 farms, slightly below the rate of 2.99 filings per 10,000 farms in 2011. And this was a hard year for farmers, Trump help keep them afloat while he worked to bring them relief, and better times this year.

                      Randy, Trump is not as bad as you think. He has done some really wonderful things these last few years for American's that have been forgotten. It would not hurt to have an open mind in regards to his accomplishments.

              2. crankalicious profile image95
                crankaliciousposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                I've taken a lot more American history courses than you and that's what I've always been taught.

                What is it that you think is being taught that is not real and where is it being taught?

                Maybe you can give some examples of things that are being taught that are not real and what you think should be taught that is real.

                1. Randy Godwin profile image61
                  Randy Godwinposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                  Evolution bad.....Bible good.

                  1. crankalicious profile image95
                    crankaliciousposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                    That could be it, but she won't answer the question, most likely because she's just spewing some hyperbole she heard on Fox News. I've been asking for statements of fact and can't get a thing. Interesting that some people want "truth" and "facts" and can't provide any themselves.

    2. abwilliams profile image68
      abwilliamsposted 17 months ago

      If I had to look to news readers to assist in the forming of my opinions, we wouldn't disagree on everything.
      The word I used was "real". I want history/civics kept real, without leftist/propagandist spin. And it has been spun, since around the time of the Vietnam war, when leftists infiltrated academia.

      1. IslandBites profile image92
        IslandBitesposted 17 months agoin reply to this

        LOL

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        PrettyPantherposted 17 months agoin reply to this

        Translate: "I don't have a college degree but know more than any damned scholar."

        1. abwilliams profile image68
          abwilliamsposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          Try to keep up PP or take a catnap.

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            PrettyPantherposted 17 months agoin reply to this

            I gather my translation hit home.

            1. abwilliams profile image68
              abwilliamsposted 17 months agoin reply to this

              No I did not go to a liberal college, I worked full time and paid my way as I went, attending a local community college (now, a  State College) at night.
              My husband started a business at 17, he ran it during the day and attended college courses at night.

              We've had this conversation before. Remember?

              How about you?  What's your story?

              Why are you and other leftists so down on this Country?

      3. crankalicious profile image95
        crankaliciousposted 17 months agoin reply to this

        You just proved everything I've been saying. This is all uneducated, uninformed drivel.

        What have you read that suggests leftists "infiltrated" academia?

        You know who has infiltrated academia since the Vietnam War, among others? Women. Are they your leftists?

        What specific historical events do you have issues with? What history have you read that supports your accusation? Did you arrive at this conclusion through the analysis of books you've read or by watching Fox and Friends?

        And look, I know I'm giving you a really hard time, but truth be told, I have great respect for anyone who has started their own business and completely understand how they might not view government as their friend.

        1. abwilliams profile image68
          abwilliamsposted 17 months agoin reply to this

          Crank, it's a known fact in academia, I've heard it from Teachers for years;  talking to them eyeball to eyeball...no Fox around...just people, stay focused.
          It makes sense, even these teachers have stated that a degree in education is the easiest to get and it was a no brainer for the conscientious objectors and antiwar activists to go into education. Leftist infiltrators educated many of the news readers you so love.

          1. crankalicious profile image95
            crankaliciousposted 17 months agoin reply to this

            It's a known fact? They infiltrated academia? You've heard it from which teachers and where did they teach?

            Again, the main gain made in education is by women. Are you saying women are leftists or shouldn't be in higher education?

            You are completely wrong. And if you are right, it's for the wrong reasons. And again, you have no expertise in this area, but claim to have the truth. Maybe I should try to tell you how to run a small business? Would you follow my advice?

            Everything you are saying is hearsay.

            Explain to me how right-wingers infiltrated business and Wall St. Explain to me how right-wingers infiltrated our churches. How did that happen? How did right-wingers infiltrate the KKK?

            1. abwilliams profile image68
              abwilliamsposted 17 months agoin reply to this

              Don't believe it, I really didn't expect you to. 
              BTW, with statements like you just made....you need to do some serious, deep-digging research about your precious Democratic Party.

              1. crankalicious profile image95
                crankaliciousposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                You never have any specifics, just what you heard somewhere. And I don't know what my statements have to do with the Democratic Party, which I despise.

                Again, you don't have any expertise in an area where you're trying to tell me something is a fact. You don't have any facts, just conjecture. You don't know anything about how higher education operates or how they hire. You just have somebody telling you something that you believe.

                Again, are you concerned about how right-wingers have infiltrated our churches and businesses and Wall St.?

                If you didn't understand what I was saying, I would believe education is overwhelmingly politically left just like I believe churches and Wall St. are overwhelmingly politically right, not because something was "infiltrated" but because it's the nature of the entity.

                1. abwilliams profile image68
                  abwilliamsposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                  If you are quite finished, have you seen the article Mike shared?

                  1. crankalicious profile image95
                    crankaliciousposted 17 months agoin reply to this

                    More non-answers, non-responses, and non-truth confirming that none of your statements are anything but hyperbole.

    3. abwilliams profile image68
      abwilliamsposted 17 months ago

      Try 'Google', you'll find plenty!! wink

      1. GA Anderson profile image93
        GA Andersonposted 17 months agoin reply to this

        Yep, Google has been a long-time friend of mine.

        It seems that the Phase 1 deal is a good deal for agricultural exports. A commitment to significant increases in export purchases. So that answers my initial question.

        Most of the criticisms I found were relative to what was not in the deal, (the stuff planned to be addressed in Phase 2), and whether China can be trusted to keep their commitments. I think the latter is a valid concern, but that the former is just an effort to slam the deal.

        GA

    4. gmwilliams profile image85
      gmwilliamsposted 17 months ago

      +100000000000000

     
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