Has Trump already lost the election in 2020?

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  1. Stevennix2001 profile image84
    Stevennix2001posted 21 months ago

    One of my favorite youtubers, Amazing Lucas, did a podcast covering how he feels the coronavirus could actually hurt Donald's election run; regardless of how you want to spin it.  Even if Trump is miraculously able to overcome the virus, the problem is both Joe Biden and Kamala Harris can easily bring up the 200,000 people that died from the same virus on his watch due to his negligence, while also citing he got sick because of same said negligence.  After watching one of his recent videos talking about this, I feel he brings up a lot of valid points that even if you're rooting for Trump to win, the reality this doesn't look good for him at all, even if he's able to beat the virus.  He still looks incompetent to the swing voters, who will ultimately decide this election.  However, what are your thoughts on this?  Has Trump already lost the election due to the virus? Or do you think this'll somehow strengthen his campaign if he's able to recover quickly?   

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXuhJLq … y5xLg3yfNE

    1. Kathryn L Hill profile image75
      Kathryn L Hillposted 21 months agoin reply to this

      Let us analyze Biden's policies realistically, shall we?

      1. wilderness profile image95
        wildernessposted 21 months agoin reply to this

        Or at least Biden and Harris can claim 200,000 dead due to Trump.  They will sound like fools, but they can make the claim.

    2. Ken Burgess profile image87
      Ken Burgessposted 21 months agoin reply to this

      I think Americans have a very short memory in terms of particulars.

      They have general biases and beliefs, that may be reinforced by this incident, that is the most impact it will have I believe.

      Despite the overwhelming amount of attention given to Corona and the Death Toll and the effort put forth by most media sites to fix a blame to Trump for it... I don't think the 'undecided voter' is going to buy into this script.

      Those that are easily duped by whatever garbage the media is feeding them are already firmly entrenched into on camp or another, this isn't going to change any votes.

      Top issues that will reflect in the elections IMO:

      Failure of passing another stimulus to help the people... and who primarily gets the Blame for it... Pelosi and the Democrats in the House or the Republicans in the Senate or Trump.

      Where a person sits on the issue of BLM & Antifa , Defund the Police, rioting & looting, they have been carrying on for months now, and even the most tone-deaf to News & Media will have heard plenty of it.

      Economics... an issue for many apart from the stimulus.  Including who people have more confidence in to bring America out of this economic recession that we are in because of the shut-downs.

    3. crankalicious profile image93
      crankaliciousposted 21 months agoin reply to this

      From the New England Journal of Medicine:

      "Anyone else who recklessly squandered lives and money in this way would be suffering legal consequences. Our leaders have largely claimed immunity for their actions. But this election gives us the power to render judgment. Reasonable people will certainly disagree about the many political positions taken by candidates. But truth is neither liberal nor conservative. When it comes to the response to the largest public health crisis of our time, our current political leaders have demonstrated that they are dangerously incompetent. We should not abet them and enable the deaths of thousands more Americans by allowing them to keep their jobs."

      The people who supported this madman are going to go down in history as enemies of America and our way of life. (hey, might as well use the hyperbole our President uses every day)

      1. Ken Burgess profile image87
        Ken Burgessposted 21 months agoin reply to this

        Hyperbolic nonsense.

        Trump allowed the States to handle this situation as they felt fit, he minimized as best as possible (considering the scare tactic propaganda efforts of the liberal media) the economic impact, imploring that Governors not shut down their States in the draconian fashion seen in some places.

        Despite some whining by particular Democrat Governors who were trying to transfer blame for their incompetence onto the President, the Federal Government ensured the States received the support and equipment they needed.

        The TRUTH is, that this is no Spanish Flu, this is no real pandemic.

        The Spanish Flu killed at least 50 million people world wide in 1918 when the world population was under 2 Billion.

        The equivalent today would be 210 million people world wide for a population over 7 Billion.

        The fact that 90% of the people who die from Covid are also suffering from other severe health problems, mitigates further the seriousness of this "pandemic".

        The fact that we have crashed the "Western Economy" of North America and Europe over a virus that is not even close to being as deadly as the #1 Killer in America (heart disease) is IMO... insane... or worse, a deliberate effort to undermine the economic system (particularly the Dollar Reserve) that has allowed America to dominate the world for the last 75 years.

        By the way... China's economy is back in full swing, and shaking off any of the economic woes it felt from the "pandemic".

        https://www.wsj.com/articles/chinas-eco … 1598280917

        1. crankalicious profile image93
          crankaliciousposted 21 months agoin reply to this

          Hyperbolic nonsense? Sure.

          I really love how Republicans and anti-science types so consistently brush off and dismiss, much like the President, the most respected voices, journals, and publications in America. And when nearly every single person who has worked with the guy describes his stupidity, corruption; etc. they're all just disgruntled. Got to tell you, that line of disgruntled people is pretty long.

          To compare COVID to heart disease is so patently ridiculous as to be not worth responding to. I didn't realize heart disease was contagious, I guess.

          The seriousness of COVID is mitigated by the fact that its victims have comorbidities? Also a ridiculous assertion that makes zero sense and is just some conspiratorial gobbledygook. If you haven't noticed, Americans are actually pretty worked up about heart disease.

          And now Trump is blaming those "losers" and "suckers" for him getting COVID. Apparently the Gold Star families are out to get him now.

          Trump's complete incompetence shines so brightly with his latest health crisis that it should be impossible for anyone other than those with the lowest IQ's or those who have been brainwashed by right-wing media not to see. It's like a comedy of incompetence if it weren't so serious.

          The people of Wisconsin seem to be getting a whiff:

          https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbre … 21b6d58a5d

    4. Nikki Avail profile image85
      Nikki Availposted 21 months agoin reply to this

      I don't believe Trump has lost the election due to the virus. If he does, it will most likely be because of how he carries himself during the debates. If Biden can keep his composer against Trump, it'll be an easy win. The way Trump handled the pandemic would be a great example of why he's incapable of running the country, only it has turned into a political issue. People are ignoring precaution and facts because they trust a leader who seems to be doing the same.

  2. profile image0
    PrettyPantherposted 21 months ago

    I have resigned myself that our economy and our people will suffer far greater losses than necessary because of those unwilling to follow simple recommendations based on science.

    Ed Rollins referred to his own GOP as "the stupid party" because of their irresponsible handling of the pandemic.

    Sad, but true.

  3. Kathryn L Hill profile image75
    Kathryn L Hillposted 21 months ago

    Trump catching the germ is insignificant. He will overcome it. It doesn't matter in the big picture.

                   The big picture involves freedom, rather than tyranny.

    Trump and Pence are sure to win. Nothing will stop the majority will of freedom and justice for All.

    Biden and the deepening left offer nothing but ever-increasing government control of the population along with the continued erosion of our constitution's guidelines.

    Work for yourself. Accept NO "DEAL" from the Left.
    (-especially a green one.)

  4. MikeSyrSutton profile image66
    MikeSyrSuttonposted 21 months ago

    Amen sister K!

    1. Kathryn L Hill profile image75
      Kathryn L Hillposted 21 months agoin reply to this

      big_smile big_smile big_smile

  5. Credence2 profile image80
    Credence2posted 21 months ago

    Like I said, Trump is the gift that keeps on giving. Who am I to not lend a shovel to a man extraordinary gifted in digging his own hole.

    Only his die hard drones will continue to support him come hell or high water. But, that is not going to be good enough, Wyoming is hardly representative of the nation as a whole. I just can't see him as having made a lot of new friends since 2016.

    Now that he has become. "Known" quantity since 2016, the independent voter may not  be as anxious to give Trump the benefit of the doubt, "this time".

    The ham handed way he has dealt with the pandemic along with a dismal debate performance so close to election time, just shows how good he is at the digging task.

    Perhaps, like Hitler, toward the end of WWII, Trump has his own miracle weapon to employ at the last minute to push back victorious Democrats?

  6. Kathryn L Hill profile image75
    Kathryn L Hillposted 21 months ago

    Trump has created tax reforms which enable us to keep more of our own hard-earned money.
    He has cut regulations which were not beneficial to businesses and a percolating economy.
    He is struggling to secure the border against much opposition to prevent  terrorists, drugs, cartel activities, and the spread of all germs, especially CV19, etc.
    He took early action to shut down air travel from foreign countries to prevent the influx of CV19, and got equipment, ships and supplies to wherever they were needed.
    He has nominated judges who understand and adhere to The US Constitution.
    He cares about and maintains a good relationship with our Middle East Ally, Israel, and moved the embassy to Jerusalem, which they were very thankful for.
    Now he is on the front line trying to find therapies and medical solutions to The Germ.

    Really! What has Trump ever done to make you hate him so much?
    Tweeted stupid / funny things?
    Sorry you don't understand his humor!

    1. Credence2 profile image80
      Credence2posted 21 months agoin reply to this

      Really! What has Trump ever done to make you hate him so much?

      Is this directed at me?

      There was nothing  hateful in my comment, I just said that forces are moving in the direction toward his  defeat.

      And, yes, I don't like him, i have always said that and continue to say it.

      Things like this may be the reason why......

      https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol … 501321001/

      His unwarranted attacks on President Obama's education, point of origin and qualifications for the office, was something I did not like.

      I don't trust Repiblicans nor their philosophy in general, and that is certainly not going to be a plus in his column.

      He and his administration has been quietly watering down national agencies charged with enforcement of civil Right violations, I don't like that much either.

      As a veteran, I have problems with his cavalier dismissal of  contributions of real heroes in the defense of this country while he cowers over "bone spurs", don't like that as well.

      I even didn't like his narcisistic TV show, "Celebrity Apprentice, where he basically made fools of washed up actors and entertainers.

      In spite of you singing his praises, Joe Biden was right about Trump being the worst President we have ever had, and that has to end come next January 21, and I am determined to work toward that end.

      I don't like arrogant and pompous people, that think that they have knowledge to conflict with experts without any real basis for that knowledge.

      I don't like petty and small minded people, who as President of the US, spends time attacking Barbra Streisand in a tweet.

      I don't like impulsive people who are not reflective and consider all ramifications of their actions before they are taken.

      I find vulgarity and crassness something I don't want to find a in person who Is supposed to be setting the example and taking the lead.

      His business ethics leave much to be desired, from his tax returns, numerous lawsuits, and of course, Trump University. While no one has been squeaky clean, he lies clearly in the mud in virtually every area regarding ethics.

      He makes excuses for incompetence, when Harry Truman always said that "the buck stops here".  He frequently takes credit for the success and achievement of others.

      He, in my opinion, is a malevolent person at his core, and the sooner he is removed, the better.

      While I would not say hatred, there certainly is a lot here not to like......

      1. wilderness profile image95
        wildernessposted 21 months agoin reply to this

        "His unwarranted attacks on President Obama's education, point of origin and qualifications for the office, was something I did not like."

        LOL  But Obama's use of the FBI to surveil Trump's campaign, and the false claims that he was collaborating with Putin to fix the election - these were fine. 

        And it's OK for everyone in the country to use every tax break they can to reduce their taxes...except Trump - he is held to your notion of morality rather than following the law like everyone else.

        Of course it's wonderful when Streisand posts really ugly tweets about Trump, but awful when he returns the favor.  ("I wrote a song called ”Don’t Lie to Me” after Trump was elected, because he was a serial liar. Now, with more than 20,000 people dead because of his incompetence and lies, he's proven that he can’t handle the truth. He’s unfit to lead this nation...especially in a time of crisis")

        Got it.

        1. crankalicious profile image93
          crankaliciousposted 21 months agoin reply to this

          Show me any piece of evidence that Obama directed the FBI to investigate the Trump campaign.

          I can show you, however, that the Trump campaign had contact with Russian intelligence officers.

          So why do you believe what you believe when it is demonstrably false?

          https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/obama … -campaign/

          https://www.npr.org/2020/08/18/90351264 … ith-russia

          1. Readmikenow profile image96
            Readmikenowposted 21 months agoin reply to this

            CIA told Obama of claim Hillary Clinton conjured Trump-Russia scandal: spy chief

            https://nypost.com/2020/09/29/cia-told- … spy-chief/

            Now There's No Denying It: Obama's FBI Spied On Trump... Period

            https://townhall.com/columnists/larryoc … d-n2574380

            "Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe declassified Russia investigation documents on Tuesday, including handwritten notes from former CIA Director John Brennan showing he briefed President Barack Obama in 2016 on an unverified Russian intelligence report claiming that former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton planned on tying then-candidate Donald Trump to Russia’s hack of the Democratic National Committee to distract from her use of a private email server."

            https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news … ia-scandal

            1. crankalicious profile image93
              crankaliciousposted 21 months agoin reply to this

              You've shown me nothing that supports the assertion that Obama directed the FBI to do that. Of course, you're not answering the question that was asked.

              In fact, the FBI was run by a Republican.

              In fact, the Trump campaign was communicating with Russian intelligence agents and risking the security of the U.S.

              The FBI is an independent agency. Trump is the one who has turned it into a political organization. As usual, you're projecting Trump's corruption onto Obama and past Presidents. Now you see the FBI as a tool of politics because Trump has made it that way.

              So, once again, misinformation designed to make it seem as though something happened that did not. Obama did not direct the FBI or tell it what to do. The Trump campaign's suspicious activity compelled the FBI to act.

              Are you actually suggesting that a Presidential campaign working with Russian intelligence officers should not be investigated? A bi-partisan commission found what I've stated to be true, but as usual, you're promoting right-wing conspiracy theories that you want to be true that aren't supported by the evidence.


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