Here Comes the Revolution

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  1. Ken Burgess profile image88
    Ken Burgessposted 11 months ago

    Hurray! The Marxist Revolution!
    Brothers and Sisters raise your fists in the air!
    Stand against us you better not dare!



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    1. Credence2 profile image82
      Credence2posted 11 months agoin reply to this

      so, you do not like the ideology and interests of the Democratic Party, well I don't like the Republicans either. So, where does that leave us?

      Throwing around superlatives like Marxist and Communists do not make your case.

      What are you afraid of, you status quo people should be happy as Biden is pretty much cut from the cloth from which most of you generally approve?

      1. Sharlee01 profile image84
        Sharlee01posted 11 months agoin reply to this

        Ok, two words jump off the page --- status quo. Do you really see a man that has totally blown up Washington single-handed as status quo?  He came in day one and caused absolute havoc. Need I remind you of him immediately ridding the country of the Obama multiple regulations, pulling out of NAFTA, insulting just about every country in Europe for not paying their fair share into NATO and the UN... Redoing the trade deals with Japan, Mexico, and Canada, and China. He bought all the ugliness of our old immigration laws into the light of day and is slowly building a wall. Trump has rebuilt our Military, and created a "Space Forse"... He opened a conversation with North Korea's Kim jong young, and while he golfed bombed Syria because they went over his red line in regard to chemical weapons. He provides lethal weapons to Ukraine, a long-awaited move that deepens America's involvement in the military conflict and may further strain relations with Russia.  All while being accused of being in bed with Putin... Need I even go on? Maybe I should add the resent peace deal he brokered ---   President Trump has brokered a historic deal between Israel and the United Arab Emirates, normalizing relations between the two countries and laying a foundation for peace in the Middle East. Then there was the little task of making America energy-dependent. Broke every economic record. It's actually hard to keep up with this Trump's daily agenda, makes my head spin. Just today he pardoned Susan B. Anthony. LOL  --- There has never been a president like Trump. You can call him many things, but status quo, not so much. Not sure how you could have ignored all of Trump's accomplishments or consider him status quo.

        I think one could call him a unique disrupture, a problem solver, but never a status quo individual.

        Although, in my view, You are correct when you refer to Biden as the status quo. When you look at the term status quo in the Dictionary, Joe's photo will be right beside the definition. Biden is a dyed in the wool Democrat, his Bible is the old worn out Den playbook. " promise promise promise..." Lot's of words that sound really good, but in the end, mean zip.

        sta·tus quo
        /ˌstādəs ˈkwō/
        noun
        the existing state of affairs, especially regarding social or political issues. Joe really does fit the bill. As Joe would say --- "Come On Man"

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        You have plenty of time to become a Trumper, it's not too late to back a real disrupter, a man that fights for real change. LOL (Kidding)

        1. Credence2 profile image82
          Credence2posted 11 months agoin reply to this

          Sorry, Sharlee, it is more palatable to self mutilate than be a Trumper. How can I look at myself in the mirror and not hold myself in the greatest contempt.?

          You're the "tough case". This Trump, from your perspective can do no wrong? I have my political preferences but rarely do I not find fault in something about any of them.

          Honesty, while I consider Joe Biden a bit ingratiating with too much of his background being part of the problem, I would say the same about Trump, but there is this sense of malevolence from him that Is not part of Biden in the same way. That partially explains the difference in the candidates for me.

          By the way, more stats indicate that Trump has played more golf and has taken much more downtime from the job than has Obama.

          So, he is a hero for pardoning Susan B. Anthony, that is right up there with the traditional White house Easter Egg hunt.

          The value of his diplomatic activities are yet to be determined, as I think that he undermines as much as he thinks he builds. He takes credit for an economy when Obama had to do all the heavy lifting to get us out from a depression like downturn that occurred during the GOPs watch.

          Yeah, when it comes to lowering the boom on Republicans and Rightwingers, I am a tough nut to crack.
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          1. Ken Burgess profile image88
            Ken Burgessposted 11 months agoin reply to this

            So, are you saying you are still on the fence regarding Trump?

            I mean, I know the Left is into sticking all sorts of ornaments through ears, nose, mouth, etc.... that the type of self-mutilating you prefer?



            Exactly,  poster child for what is wrong with DC and the DNC.

            I was surprised when talking to a couple of people today I would say come from the more liberal political spectrum, and hearing them voice their disappointment with how things went, with how the Democrats turned on Tulsi Gabbard and Andrew Yang rather than rallying around their fresh ideas and new faces.

            I thought I was one of the few people who was willing to support Tulsi, but it seems she may have been more liked than I imagined.

            The tragedy is what the DNC decided to go with... maybe this was decided before the pandemic hit... maybe they thought this election was a lost cause, and Trump would win in a landslide... which he would have, if not for the economic collapse due to the virus and many whacked State Governors.

            Maybe by the time they realized that there was a chance to win this election, they were too far down the rabbit hole with dithering Joe.

            Or maybe they have something much more sinister in mind, than a few months of rioting and the firing of police.

            1. Credence2 profile image82
              Credence2posted 11 months agoin reply to this

              On the fence, Ken? I am a Democrat, so no Republican can possibly fill the bill. Not a chance.

              I mean self mutilate like chopping off an arm or a leg.

              I seem to hear that the convention went well with Michelle Obama shaking things up with her address to the point where even Fox had to give a positive acknowledgement.

              Well, Ken, only under extreme exceptions are first term occupants denied a second term. With the pandemic and the lackluster economy, this just may be one of those times.

              Yes, there is a chance that the Dems can win, a very good chance if we push hard till the very end and not take anything for granted.

              1. wilderness profile image96
                wildernessposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                Biggest thing I caught from Ms. Obama (outside of opinions and outright lies) was the dismay that voter rolls were being purged.  She wants those dead people, those that moved long ago, the illegal aliens, etc. on the voter rolls and doesn't like that they are being purged.

                1. Credence2 profile image82
                  Credence2posted 11 months agoin reply to this

                  Yes, sure it is,  that is what YOU all say....

                  1. wilderness profile image96
                    wildernessposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                    Why else would she be upset at taking them off the rolls if she doesn't plan on using those votes to win an election?

                  2. Sharlee01 profile image84
                    Sharlee01posted 11 months agoin reply to this

                    Here in Michigan, we have outrageous voter fraud. Especially in the 2016 presidential election. Dem's just done not do enough fraud to pull the state for Hillary.
                    https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/ … /95363314/

                    "More than 6,400 of Michigan's 10,600 absentee ballots rejected Aug. 4 were turned away because they arrived after Election Day, Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson's office said Friday.

                    Another 2,225 ballots were discarded because there was no signature on the envelope; 1,111 were rejected because the voter moved; and 846 were not accepted because the voter was dead, according to data from Benson's office." https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/ … 584613002/

                    This is not happening just in Michigan but all over the county.
                    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/artic … 43551.html

                    I can give example after example.

                    https://www.courthousenews.com/city-cle … d-charges/

                  3. Ken Burgess profile image88
                    Ken Burgessposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                    I want to harken back to statements we made a few days ago



                    And you replied



                    And you replied to another comment I made to GA regarding business failure rates, etc.



                    It is interesting that you and I can come so close at times to common ground, or to at least understanding where the other is coming from, and at other times seem so incapable of that.

                    Different perspectives and different racial experiences in a country that has a history based on the worst racism certainly foster a lot of that.

                    To answer your questions:

                    If you grow up watching your father run a business, build houses, run a bank, or something along those lines... more often than not these values and lessons are going to be absorbed, this becomes the accepted norm.

                    And the more money that you are born into, the more times you can fail and recover from it.

                    But then, I also consider the examples of my own past.

                    My Great Grandfather owned a business that helped build the Cape Cod Canal and some of the biggest buildings in the region at that time (schools, government centers).  They owned a lot of land (which was cheap back then) and were well off.

                    My Father's father, and his brothers, lost it all.

                    My father grew up poor, in essentially what was the projects. 

                    My father, and one of my uncles, served in the military, they both worked two jobs regularly, they helped one another build their own homes, my father built the first two homes I lived in, from pouring the foundation to roofing and everything in between, electrical, plumbing, etc.

                    (On a side note, you can't do that in today's world.  Everything needs to be done by a licensed engineer, a licensed electrician, etc. etc.)

                    But while my Father and my Uncle did that... two of my other uncles were total bums, one died young, one died old, both were drunkards and jerks.

                    Who knows the why's of things... we all make our own destiny. 

                    My father was handed nothing, there was no privilege being a poor white kid in a region filled with white people.

                    Pretty sure it works like that in a black community, no benefits to being poor period, it takes a lot more effort to work your way from poor to rich, than to simply maintain the wealth a predecessor created for you for sure.

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                    But all that aside, the politics of today, the Progressive Left, Social Justice, Political Correctness... its not going to bring a better or more equal or more beneficial world to 'your people'.

                    Political Correctness is old Stalinist Dogma a tool to fight Western civilization to create a One World Socialist Government.

                    Social Justice and PC are two sides of the same coin of Socialism.

                    We are witnessing a portion of people in our country, with considerable support from media and social platform sources try and recreate today a Socialist Revolution in America, much in the way it took place in Russian Duma (Russian parliament) one hundred years ago.

                    Its worth looking deeper into, and worth considering where this will lead if successful.

                    Under capitalism the laws of supply and demand responds to reality, those that can make the best product receive the most success, those that make a poor product fail.

                    Socialist nations, and socialism in general removes incentives, removes rewards for effort, removes the merit system.  It allows the elites to have even more power and control, while the commoner has almost none.

                    Show me real evidence of where this is not so?

                    Socialism without an equally powerful Capitalist system results in stagnant nations and starving populations.

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                  Tonald Drumpposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                  I'm sure you have some stats and not conspiracy theories to back up your lie about illegal aliens being on voter rolls.

          2. Sharlee01 profile image84
            Sharlee01posted 11 months agoin reply to this

            I respect your fortitude. But you did not address my comment in regards to referring to Trump as Status Quo...  Very hard to deny facts when they are placed on a big old plate in front of you.  In regard to lowering the boom on Republicans or rightwingers, you need something factual to do that. All I mentioned in my previous comment is factual. I was careful to make sure of that.

            1. Credence2 profile image82
              Credence2posted 11 months agoin reply to this

              I see Trump's havoc  as creating division and consternation. He does what Republicans always do, put the concerns of the wealthy over the rest of us. In that way, he is "status quo". They all threaten cuts to Social Security and Medicare. They dismiss the concept of Obamacare without replacing it with anything at all, even though they said that they would.

              Oh, yes, I know about Republicans and their wiles, and they are no good.
              Republicans are at odds with me and my beliefs in a fundamental way. I would not want to bore you with a encloypedia worth of evidence

              1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                Sharlee01posted 11 months agoin reply to this

                Message received loud and clear.

    2. Kyler J Falk profile image92
      Kyler J Falkposted 11 months agoin reply to this

      Meh, not really a big deal. Press me hard enough and I'll cease my contracts, writing, workouts, and video games cycle to bust out the plate carriers and ordinance. The last thing they want is to get people like me off the hamster wheel to bite the hand that feeds.

      Nothing to see here, it's an election year. It'll all blow over and the narrative will stay the same, or perhaps just change its tone to the other side if Joe "Grip'er and Sniff'er" Biden wins. Trump will still be an ass either way.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
        Kathryn L Hillposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        No, this election indicates whether the country stands or not.

        1. Kyler J Falk profile image92
          Kyler J Falkposted 11 months agoin reply to this

          Yeah, that's what people said after Clinton, then Bush Jr., and Obama as well. Logically, I can only conclude that it was said before every election prior and will be said before every election to come.

          Granted, we are all more aware due to transparency in the digital age, so we all get to have a voice and opinion on such seemingly-bleak scenarios, but dommsdayers will always be doomsdayers.

          I don't see anyone or anything standing or falling any more or less now than I did before, but I do see more people broadcasting their every worthless thought. Just grab some popcorn and remain neutral until things really start to go down, that's the only time anyone will act anyways.

          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
            Kathryn L Hillposted 11 months agoin reply to this

            No, we need to be proactive. It is an urgent matter. The far left really adheres to Marxism and socialism. Eventually their efforts will bring forth Communism.
            Unless you  L I K E   working for

            1.) All,

            and then 2.) The State.


            I like working for myself and my loved ones and then, as I can, my community, state and country.

            1. Kyler J Falk profile image92
              Kyler J Falkposted 11 months agoin reply to this

              The most proactive I can be is protesting against those destroying the nation, and I did. During these racially-driven protests I stood against the racial extremists of the BLM movement, assisting in security and other measures. I can't do anymore than that, because I live under an authoritarian system where force can only be matched with equal, reasonable force by private citizens.

              That is my version of eating popcorn, the hamster wheel, and discussing it on a forum is no more proactive than picking a big juicy booger and flicking it across the room.

              You're talking up the rungs, not down them in this situation.

              1. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
                Kathryn L Hillposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                up the rungs ? not down? explain please!

                1. Kyler J Falk profile image92
                  Kyler J Falkposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                  To explain that would be vulgar and just generally uncouth. I'll leave it to context and your interpretation of it to figure that one out.

    3. gmwilliams profile image85
      gmwilliamsposted 11 months agoin reply to this

      Ken, America is becoming more divided than ever.  There is a strict chasm based upon political, racial, & class lines.   There is going to be a civil war based upon the aforementioned lines.  That is what I am afraid of.   There is a storm brewing ahead & it won't be pretty at all.

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      1. Kyler J Falk profile image92
        Kyler J Falkposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        These are my sentiments, exactly.

  2. Live to Learn profile image78
    Live to Learnposted 11 months ago

    The idiots in the middle picture won't last long once the revolution gets into full swing.

  3. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
    Kathryn L Hillposted 11 months ago

    Here comes the revolution! Let it come and let us comprehend finally how it will make us miserable. Sometimes the school of hard knocks is the only way to learn. Bummer.
       

    Now let's see, which country would I like to move to?

    Hmmm ...  why not Scotland or the middle of England where my ancestors are from?

  4. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
    Kathryn L Hillposted 11 months ago

    Check your own will. Check what you really care about.

    Is it ALL?

    or yourself and your loved ones?

    Whomever agrees with the former, can take the next space flight to Mars and establish that ideal there.

  5. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
    Kathryn L Hillposted 11 months ago

    Over-concern for ALL leads to over-high taxes.
    Who can argue this simple fact?

  6. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
    Kathryn L Hillposted 11 months ago

    I would like to understand what you said about force being matched etc.

    1. Kyler J Falk profile image92
      Kyler J Falkposted 11 months agoin reply to this

      I mean that if I had the power, the legally-sanctioned rights from the authoritarian regime that dictates our actions, I would be much more proactive and progressive toward dismantling the threats to our country. However, because of that authoritarian system inherent in government and any first-world country for that matter, I can only play within the guidelines of the rules.

      If you speak to me, I can speak to you. If you push me, I can push you. If you hit me, I can hit you. If you try to kill me, I can kill you.

      What I cannot do, however, is gather a group of skilled individuals to go out and disestablish what I know to be the biggest threats to our country's stability. It's illegal, and we have a force-for-force system. Essentially, our authoritarian system demands we sit with our thumbs up our nose until we are justified in our proactive actions. 

      I'm more proactive than those who think voting and debate have any meaning outside of symbolic gestures and posturing.

      1. Ken Burgess profile image88
        Ken Burgessposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        Interesting perspective, and relatively speaking, fairly accurate... to an extent.

        You have the right to defend yourself... from violent harm, in most states still.

        In States like NY and cities like Chicago, you don't even have that.

        BIGGER PICTURE...

        The people you consider a threat, are made up mostly from the last decade or two of graduates from College.  The ones that have been indoctrinated by Critical Theory or Social Justice, they have entire Programs and Advanced Degrees devoted to these 'ideologies' in the majority of colleges today.

        These young people who have been brainwashed with these extremist concepts, then go on to work for CNN, MSNBC, Google, Facebook, Congress, Hollywood... all sorts of positions that allow them to control the narrative (propaganda) you are exposed to.

        The Former CIA Director under Obama was a renowned Communist and Sharia Law advocate.  When people like that are at the pinnacles of power, and your best Universities are churning out well educated revolutionaries... there is no easy fix.

        Eventually, if they gain enough control of enough positions of power, you can rest assured we will have "re-education camps" just like they do in Communist China.

        Eventually, all voices that try to speak out against the Party will be silenced, one way or the other.

        1. Kyler J Falk profile image92
          Kyler J Falkposted 11 months agoin reply to this

          I'm not the highest educated person, and I never will be, so the force-for-force system will always be my proactive tool of choice. There are those of us who wear suits, and those of us who wield the rifles. I'm not a suit-wearing warrior.

          There are warriors on both sides, the constructive and deconstruction sides, and from my perspective we are losing the ability to move against them already.

          GM says a civil war is brewing, and I can't help but agree. If it comes down to putting our own citizens in internment camps, then actions to counter such garbage will become justified. Of course, for it to be legally justified the balance of power would have to switch in favor of those fighting against it.

          Essentially, I'm not just talking about the BLM movement. I see society as a battlefield and there is a cold war occurring at the social level, but I'm prepared for it to go hot at any time.

  7. profile image61
    Tonald Drumpposted 11 months ago

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    Nothing to see here but Trump asking his followers for a unity pledge that looks eerily similar to a nazi salute.  Every campaign has its moments of incorrect perception.

  8. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
    Kathryn L Hillposted 11 months ago

    A. Taxes which are too high.
    B.  Regulations which prohibit freedom in the market place.
    C. The inability to succeed in self-survival.

    These inflictions are what we do not want or need. How come this simple fact is ignored?
    How come people want to shoot themselves in the feet?
    How come they don't want to make their lives good for themselves?

    Instead, they want the government to step into the picture and make it good for them.

    Well, guess what? The government cannot do what only the individual can do ...

    - for himself.

    It's time to discriminate between what the government can and cannot do for individuals on a realistic level.

    Not on an unrealistic level.

  9. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
    Kathryn L Hillposted 11 months ago

    Why hate a president who's total focus is facilitating self-survival for all citizens?

    What about his policies, is there to revolt against?

    Why be tricked by lies such as, "He has no empathy" by those who truly have no empathy? Who only pretend to have empathy.

    And Empathy for who?
    Illegal aliens who have no business in this country? "Let them in!"
    Lawless anarchists who hate this country? "Let them riot!"
    Criminals who prey on innocent victims? "Let them out!"

  10. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
    Kathryn L Hillposted 11 months ago

    Luckily, those unacceptable ballots were caught and discarded.

  11. profile image61
    Tonald Drumpposted 11 months ago

    Wondering who caught Biden's speech last night...The one that the Drudge Report and Fox News is gushing over for, this according to Fox News hosts 'shoots a big hole in Trump's claims that Biden is diminished in any way.'

    1. Sharlee01 profile image84
      Sharlee01posted 11 months agoin reply to this

      Really? He read from a prompter, and yes he gave a very dramatic say nothing speech. he gave no indication of what his agenda is. Only unsustainable promises. I mean come on --- heal the great divide, bring about true racial equality... Would all be wonderful, as it would have been when Obama promised all the same...  All sounds pretty flowery to me.

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        Tonald Drumpposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        You're getting on him for things he hopes to achieve but let Trump go when he says things like Mexico will pay for the wall, he'll end the deficit, he's got a great new healthcare option, he won't touch social security, he'll invest in infrastructure, grow the economy by 4% a year, save the coal industry.  Politicians say things they hope to achieve.  I think striving to achieve a unified nation with racial equality would be something  welcomed in these troubled times instead of described as 'flowery.'

        1. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
          Kathryn L Hillposted 11 months agoin reply to this

          Issues like that fix themselves in times of prosperity when everyone is happily achieving what they want in life.

        2. Sharlee01 profile image84
          Sharlee01posted 11 months agoin reply to this

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          1. profile image61
            Tonald Drumpposted 11 months agoin reply to this

            So you think a trade deal that started just this past July has paid for the wall?  More likely that Trump stole money from the Pentagon and taxpayers for any new construction.  Or people like Steven Bannon raised money through crowdfunding (while embezzling some for themselves).

            Trump tried to attack social security, but Congress would not support his budget.

            And there's that claim again, that a president who took a 4.2% unemployment rate and lowered it to 3.5% gets the credit more than the guys who lowered it from 10% to 4.2%.  You say broken records, without taking into account who got the country most of the way to those records, which I could spend the time to lay out in detail but would not halt you from giving all the credit to Trump.

            Then Trump failed to take necessary steps to prevent the virus until it was here already while he golfed and held rallies, which has led to that unemployment rate rising back above 10%.  Obama and Biden stopped Ebola from getting through our ports of entry after learning important lessons during H1N1 that they left to Trump, who proceeded to ignore or dismantle those measures.

            1. GA Anderson profile image91
              GA Andersonposted 11 months agoin reply to this

              Are you saying that because, (if?), the new trade deal is better for the U.S. that amounts to Mexico paying for the wall? If you are, then doesn't that mean Canada will also be paying for it?

              I may have misunderstood your comment because I can't see the connection. Mexico is not paying for the wall, U.S. taxpayers are.

              As a sidenote: China is not paying millions or billions in tariff costs, U.S. consumers are paying that too.

              GA

              1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                Sharlee01posted 11 months agoin reply to this

                So, nice to see you alive and well.

                Trump has frequently made the anthology that the Mexico trade deal is putting cash in the US coffers and claims this newfound cash is in a way paying for the wall. did it pay for the wall, no, has he added cash to the coffers from the Mexico/Canda deal, yes. And I am aware of how Trump has 'begged borrowed and stoled" to pay for the 300 miles of wall. All from taxpayer's cash. 

                I have not studied the China trade deal much after the pandemic hit I figured they most likely won't keep their part of the bargain anyway. I have read recently that U.S. and retaliatory tariffs currently impact over $40 some billion of imports and exports, and President Trump’s t still imposed tariffs are increasing annual consumer costs in America by roughly $57 billion annually. The tariffs are having a notable impact on trade levels,  and decreasing both imports and exports, which has to lead to reduces consumers’ options and further increases prices in the US. We may never know if the China deal would have been beneficial to the US, the pandemic has put a hold on the negotiations, and the deal is now precarious. China has also claimed due to the virus they are having problems keeping to the first part of the agreement. Unfortunately, the virus has made such a negative impact on the countries economy. What crazy times we live in.

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                  Tonald Drumpposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                  That might be one of the most honest assessments you've ever made pertaining to Trump.  Bravo.

                  1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                    Sharlee01posted 11 months agoin reply to this

                    I  try to always let true facts aid in forming my opinions. I weigh everything very carefully. I love pure common sense over conjecture.

                2. GA Anderson profile image91
                  GA Andersonposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                  I understand that you are saying it is Trump that is say that in a way Mexico is paying for the wall via the increased cash benefit to the U.S. from his new trade deal. But . . .  I ain't buying it.

                  I don't know a lot about the new USMC deal, but what looking around I did do spoke of it being years before the real benefits of the deal to the U.S. would be realized.

                  So, at this point, I think the claim that Mexico is paying for the wall, via the new trade deal, is as bogus as the original claim that Mexico would pay for the wall.

                  GA

                  1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                    Sharlee01posted 11 months agoin reply to this

                    In my post to Tonald Drump, I was pointing out what Trump's belief that in some way the money that the New Mexico deal has brought in has paid for the wall. I requested he check out a few of Trump's rallies fro 2016 where he claimed he would get a new trade deal with Mexico, and in the long run they would help pay for the wall.

                    My true feelings, not Trump's analogy were in my post to you ---
                    "Trump has frequently made the analogy I that the Mexico trade deal is putting cash in the US coffers and claims this newfound cash is in a way paying for the wall. did it pay for the wall, no, has he added cash to the coffers from the Mexico/Canda deal, yes. And I am aware of how Trump has 'begged borrowed and stoled" to pay for the 300 miles of wall. All from taxpayer's cash."

                    We are of the same mind in regards to the Mexico deal, I have not been unable to find any stats on the deal in regards to any monetary figures on the Mexico deal.  It will be interesting to see if we have a monetary benefit from the deal.

                    No, Mexico is not and won't be paying for the wall. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

                    1. GA Anderson profile image91
                      GA Andersonposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                      No worries. I understand your point.

                      GA

          2. Sharlee01 profile image84
            Sharlee01posted 11 months agoin reply to this

            Yes, politicians do offer things they would like to achieve during their time in office. Did Joe give an agenda last night? I must have missed it. " unified nation with racial equality " You are aware he has been in politics for many many years?  He was VP to a president that made the very same promise in regard to the. Wonder what has held him up, stopped him from accomplishing those two very important things?  Like I said the speech, in my opinion, was flowery. had no substance. One may have felt very good hearing all of his sentiments, but in an hour or so hopefully woke up to the fact he really said nothing. Lots of I am this, and he is that...

            1. Sychophantastic profile image90
              Sychophantasticposted 11 months agoin reply to this

              We have this going on, but you're worked up over Biden.

              "President Donald Trump on Sunday night retweeted Russian propaganda about former Vice President Joe Biden that the US intelligence community recently announced was part of Moscow's ongoing effort to "denigrate" the Democrat ahead of November's election."

              Yes, the Revolution appears to be coming. A Russian takeover of the U.S. courtesy of Donald Trump. The guy is committing treason right in front of our eyes.

              I'm reading about the Third Reich. Trump's faithful are similar to Hitler's in their blind devotion. (I am not comparing Trump to Hitler)

              1. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
                Kathryn L Hillposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                You are saying Trump supporters have blind devotion.

                1. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
                  Kathryn L Hillposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                  And non-supporters have blind hatred continuously fueled by nonsensical delusions.

              2. Sharlee01 profile image84
                Sharlee01posted 11 months agoin reply to this

                You are ultimately intitled to your beliefs. Although I find the book  "The Third Reich" could be more appt to depict the movement of the "New Socialist Democratic Party". For a better lack of a name... The book mirrors the Dem's movement. maybe you are not far enough into the book to recognize this?

                Many Dem's have a blind devotion to a new concept they see as a better way to govern, and it's fully stoked, and represented through media propaganda.  I guess as individuals we see things very differently.

                1. Credence2 profile image82
                  Credence2posted 11 months agoin reply to this

                  I am content to let the voters decide which approach and direction is the best to take.

                  Are conservatives willing to accept that?

                  After all, Donald Trump has had 4 years and at least two of those when the GOP was in control of congress. Conservatives and the GOP should have been able to make their case to the majority of voters as to why they are the better alternative and win over those that would otherwise hold them in derision.

                  1. Ken Burgess profile image88
                    Ken Burgessposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                    Lets be fair.

                    You are talking from a "politics as normal" perspective.

                    Many of Republican politicians HATED Trump as much as the Democrat politicians did.  Many resigned from their offices in 2018 rather than work to strengthen the Republican majority. 

                    On average, 22 House members retire each cycle. But in 2018, almost six dozen Republicans either resigned, retired, took other positions.

                    House Speaker Ryan worked to slow and stymie Trump's efforts, especially on his efforts of real Affordable Care Act overhaul or repeal.

                    While the Anti-Trump Republicans stalled, the Democrats and their allies went to work to assault Trump's Administration from day 1, making false accusations about Russian collusion, going after people in his Administration with false charges (IE - Flynn) ... then once they had majority in the House, they used their majority to investigate and impeach Trump over BS.

                    The Establishment, the corrupt Senators and Congressmen that have roamed DC for decades, those in collusion with foreign powers like China (IE - Senator Feinstein  https://thefederalist.com/2018/08/08/se … ffice-spy/ ) and those that are Corporate shills that make their fortunes selling out the best interests of the American people.

                    Trump is something they are not... he is not a bought and paid for stooge.  He is not an owned asset of some foreign power or corporation.  And this is why those who are, work so hard to accuse him of being everything they are, and more.

                    Yes... Trump is a Billionaire, and most of the negative things that go with being such apply to him.   But at least he is not one of them, he is not a traitor to the American people as is nearly every member of Congress that has been there since the 90s... which are too damned many... who have been there for too damned long.

                    1. Sychophantastic profile image90
                      Sychophantasticposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                      More lies. Your statements are completely contradicted by the bi-partisan report on the Russian investigation:

                      https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/08 … usion.html

                      Among other things, Paul Manafort worked with a man linked to Russian intelligence and Trump continues to push a narrative about Joe Biden that his own intelligence agency has said is Russian propaganda.

                      You seem to have this backward. Putin puts out bounties on American soldiers. He poisons his political rivals. And Trump bends over and takes it, making a laughing stock of America.

                      America is as weak as it's ever been.

                    2. Credence2 profile image82
                      Credence2posted 11 months agoin reply to this

                      Why are all these prominent politicians that oppose Trump are wrong and Trump and his followers are correct?

                      You don't assign any blame to Trump but to dozens of legislators that voluntarily stepped down?

                      Trump is center Right and for me that is "center wrong". I can never support any right wing agenda regardless of the label. And, yes, he IS one of them, preservation of his wealth and the class that he is a part of, he has shown to be paramount



                      As for the veracity of accusations against the Trump administration, that can be considered debatable.

                  2. Sharlee01 profile image84
                    Sharlee01posted 11 months agoin reply to this

                    I am also content to let the voters decide, as I was in 2016. Your sentiment rings hollow for many, many that refused to respect the fact in 2016 that the voters did decide. I would think it will be no different this time around if Trump wins.

                    I would also consider many on the right will not be gracious to accept it if Biden wins. They have learned from the Dems how they can make an elected president's time in office hell...

                    And the votes are not in so perhaps to soon to say Trump has not made his case to the majority or at best the independents and more black voters.

                    1. profile image61
                      Tonald Drumpposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                      'They have learned from the Dems how they can make an elected president's time in office hell...'

                      Like when the GOP leader of the Senate refuses to work with a duly elected President.  Pendulum swings both ways.  This partisanship started the moment Obama was elected and has only gotten worse with Trump's election.

      2. Credence2 profile image82
        Credence2posted 11 months agoin reply to this

        I did, seems like he is in fully possession of his faculties to me.

        1. profile image61
          Tonald Drumpposted 11 months agoin reply to this

          Fully?  That's it, go see if you can identify the elephant.  Then we'll let you handle the nuclear codes.

    2. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
      Kathryn L Hillposted 11 months ago

      You're saying Trump is cooperating with Russia. You say our current president wouldn't mind if Russia takes over America. This is what I mean by "non-sensical delusions."

      1. Sychophantastic profile image90
        Sychophantasticposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        Exactly this was proven in the recent Intelligence Committee Report. Trump's campaign coordinated (specifically, Paul Manafort) with a Russian intelligence officer to manipulate our elections. Go read the report. How is that non-sensical?

        Obviously, Trump doesn't want Russia to take over. However, his cooperation with them is certainly leading in that direction. He's expressed is admiration for Putin, a man who assassinates his political opponents. Anyone who loved Democracy and America should be scared by this.

        Here's a piece from the Washington Examiner, about as right-wing a publication as you get:

        https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opin … oax-claims

        Here's a brief snippet:

        "In sum, repeat after me: The investigation into Russian perfidy was not a hoax. There was no hoax. There was no hoax. Trump fans need to get this through their heads."

        So despite all the conspiracy theories flying around in here, this was indeed a legit threat.

    3. profile image61
      Tonald Drumpposted 11 months ago

      And how many times have we seen this, and not only from one side....

      The only way for Trump to turn it around is for his campaign and its cheerleaders in the right-wing media to deploy a strategy based on the fallacy of composition — which is the act of claiming that something is true of a whole because it is true of a part (even a very tiny part). We see this all the time on the right when a muckraking website like Campus Reform highlights an extreme left-wing statement by a professor and uses it to describe American universities as a whole as uniformly Marxist, even though the overwhelming majority of the country’s thousands of faculty members are not Marxists.

      This is exactly what Trump did in a Saturday tweet when he asserted that “the Democrats took the word GOD out of the Pledge of Allegiance at the Democrat National Convention.” In fact, every recitation of the Pledge during the primetime segments of the DNC included the “under God” line. This line was left out during just two individual caucus meetings out of more than a dozen at the DNC.

      So beware, Democrats: Any politically unpopular, stupid, ill-advised, extreme, over-the-top statement or act by anyone who can be described as a member of the party will be attributed to all members of the party — very much including those at the top of the ticket. And this will be true even when Biden distances himself from the statement or act, as he has consistently done with the call of some activists to “Defund the Police.” If one Democrat says it, Trump will pretend all Democrats think it. If they deny it, the disavowal will be treated as evidence of deceit.

      Because such flagrant dishonesty may be the only way for Trump to prevail on Nov. 3.

      1. wilderness profile image96
        wildernessposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        "...the act of claiming that something is true of a whole because it is true of a part (even a very tiny part)."

        Fascinating.  The DNC sometimes took the word "God" out of our pledge, Trump said they did just that, and you claim that his statement indicated that they did it EVERY time.  You changed his wording to indicate something that he did not say, then took him to task for saying what he did not.

        How is that really much different than "the act of claiming that something is true of a whole because it is true of a part (even a very tiny part)."?

        1. profile image61
          Tonald Drumpposted 11 months agoin reply to this

          I didn't change his wording...his wording was able to be interpreted in a way that was all inclusive because he failed to mention that it only happened a minority of the time.  And by labeling this as all Democrats, he's clearly giving a false narrative that all Democrats would be for this action.  That, in itself, is grimy as hell.

          1. wilderness profile image96
            wildernessposted 11 months agoin reply to this

            Yes, you could "interpret" his language to something it was not, which is exactly what you did.  I repeat: how is that any different than what you complained about?

            Pretty grimy, but rather expected from the left wingers - I see it every day in social media.

            1. profile image61
              Tonald Drumpposted 11 months agoin reply to this

              Glad you can admit that you just made up that I changed his wording.  It's a start to identifying how you fabricate things in your arguments.

              If something is worded towards the worst, without mentioning the best, pretty sure the interpretation was to be a negative.  As always, you see Trump in a shining light of positivity.  That's your right and nothing anyone will say will change that about you.

              1. wilderness profile image96
                wildernessposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                Oh, you didn't change the wording, just the meaning of the words when you went from they said the pledge without "God" to they always said the pledge that way.  Something Trump did NOT say; just your "interpretation" that mention they did it meant they always did it.

                Not much difference from what you complained Trump did, is it?

                1. profile image61
                  Tonald Drumpposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                  Could his words mean all?  Was that me changing the meaning or was it written in a way that could be interpreted in such a way.  I argue it was meant to be interpreted that way just as Trump lied earlier in the week and said Biden would 'hurt God.'

                  And you keep asking the same question, but I see an interpretation of something vaguely written as a different point entirely than Trump trying to paint the worst of a group to its entirety.

      2. Sharlee01 profile image84
        Sharlee01posted 11 months agoin reply to this

        Caucus meetings are a well-known part of any convention. Trump was correct in his tweet.  Not sure why any given group of American citizens felt they had the right to remove any given word form our " Pledge of Allegiance ".  I would assume you feel this is acceptable?  This to me shows a lack of respect for our founders. If someone feels the pledge due to religious beliefs in some respect disrespected their own religion, they should not have recited it at all.  Sort of the same as some feel they want to take a knee, just do what your conscience tells you. But, to change words...  in my view a step too far.

        The left media has once again reported Trump's very words but directly omitted that Caucus meetings are a big part of any convention. Knit-picking his words out of context. This is one reason the media dangerous, they seek to keep a steady uninterrupted stream of hate flowing. Context is so important.

        1. profile image61
          Tonald Drumpposted 11 months agoin reply to this

          How can this show a lack of respect to the founders when the phrase 'under God' wasn't even added to the pledge until 1954?  Bellamy's original Pledge read: I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.  Nice fake outrage though.  Bravo.

          And there are plenty of other people that believe that the phrase 'under God' in the pledge forces people of different religions to acknowledge a God they may not worship.  Plenty of people have argued for the removal of this and to go back to the original pledge that did not have it.

          1. Sharlee01 profile image84
            Sharlee01posted 11 months agoin reply to this

            You got me on that one...I note you did not respond to the fact that Trump was correct in his tweet in regard to the words being left out in I believe two Caucus meetings? That's what we were really discussing. The context in which Trump's words were meant.

            yes, it is evident there are citizens that hope to remove the words Under God. Which is their right.

            1. profile image61
              Tonald Drumpposted 11 months agoin reply to this

              Trump's statement did not mention that it was only the two caucus meetings.  He left out very important details about which two caucus meetings or the other majority which did include the phrase. 

              Recently, he's made this open lie about a devout Biden:  "Hurt the Bible. Hurt God. He’s against God."  That's a direct quote.  This pledge claim is right on par with these lies.

              Here's a question...which candidate do you believe is the more devout person?  You seem to be fine defending Trump's claim about removing 'under God,' but let's ask the hard question.  Which candidate would you believe to be more devout?

    4. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
      Kathryn L Hillposted 11 months ago

      Please reveal:
      1. How do you know Biden loves God?
      2. What IS the country's GDP under Trump's presidency?
      3.  How Did this president fail in handling the CV19 Pandemic?
          A. What could he have done better?
      4. What ARE the country's job growth numbers?

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
        Kathryn L Hillposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        could you fill us in?

        1. profile image61
          Tonald Drumpposted 11 months agoin reply to this

          So are you trying to say that people who attend church and pray don't love God?  Seems odd to ask for proof of another person's love of God.  Just as it's dumb to claim that someone as devout as Biden would hurt the Bible.

          And I could write a book on Trump's failures to contain this pandemic.  But I doubt you're really looking for my point of view as you've already formed your own opinion that completely contradicts anything I would write.  So I won't waste my time.

        2. Sychophantastic profile image90
          Sychophantasticposted 11 months agoin reply to this
        3. Sychophantastic profile image90
          Sychophantasticposted 11 months agoin reply to this

          Here are some answers to your other questions:

          https://markets.businessinsider.com/new … 028833119#

      2. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
        Kathryn L Hillposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        The answer for 3. A? Unless you are a bot or someone operating in some cubicle in China, which I suspect ...

    5. profile image61
      Tonald Drumpposted 11 months ago

      I found this article an interesting read...

      https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/ … ion-400039

      1. Credence2 profile image82
        Credence2posted 11 months agoin reply to this

        Excerpt from the article.....

        "The party is so obsessed with fighting that it has lost sight of what it’s fighting for."

        Ever since Obama assumed the Presidency, this has been the definition for GOP, with McConnell taking the role of Dr. No.

        So this failure to cooperate and compromise began with them.

        So, how many GOP politicians will join the Q continuum, advocating nonsense while substantive objectives are ignored?

        1. GA Anderson profile image91
          GA Andersonposted 11 months agoin reply to this

          Well damn, Cred. I just responded to that same link—before I saw your comment.

          Surprise, surprise, look at the first quote I included. ;-)

          GA

          1. Credence2 profile image82
            Credence2posted 11 months agoin reply to this

            GA, what a coincidence but if I had to synopsisize the article to one sentence, that would be it.

            1. GA Anderson profile image91
              GA Andersonposted 11 months agoin reply to this

              And there we part ways. If I had to pick one defining thought on this topic, it would be my second quote:

              " We cannot save this country,” the elder Gaetz declared, “with politicians who have no principles.”

              This is how I see both parties and most politicians. For me, two prime examples would be Kamala Harris and Lindsey Graham.

              Look how Kamala spoke about Biden and how Graham spoke about  Trump, then, and look how they speak about them now.

              Mine is a completely non-partisan thought Cred. Both parties have abandoned principles and integrity for partisan, (and personal), gain.

              I liked the primaries Harris, I highly distrust the ticket Harris. And that is even worse than my perception of Graham. I always knew he was a politician's politician, so I never expected more from him.  But I am disappointed by Harris.

              GA

              1. Credence2 profile image82
                Credence2posted 11 months agoin reply to this

                GA,

                I can remember when George HW Bush criticized Ronald Reagan's economic ideas as "voodoo economics", but guess who became Reagan's VP running mate?

                There has always been a certain amount of gladhanding in politics. It is so extreme now where pandering for votes is more important than platforms and taking a stand for principle and policy positions.

                But, I am forced to return from the dance with those that brought me.

                I did not care for Biden's play on identity politics as manner of screening his VP selection.

                Kamela' background may not appeal to progressives, but to slight her for doing her job as a prosecutor is not fair. Many of us saw her as "attack dog" whose leash could break at any time. On one hand, Conservatives say that she is a radical leftist, but on the other hand appeal to progressives saying that as a prosecutor for Alameda County, she was cruel.

                Attack from any all directions.

                I am not enthusiastic about the current Democratic ticket crafted primarily to maximize voter turnout with the only real principle being expediency. It is an error to think that superficial gestures can move mountains There is the risk that a pandering, superficial approach could prove to backfire, leaving us with Donald Trump for another 4 years.

                In these times, moderation is akin to left over bacon grease. The Republicans, within the last few years have operated by opening with the  hard Right stance first.  Who can find a moderate Republican? The intensity is where the GOP has an advantage unless my side can generate the same energy and, unfortunately, assume some of the GOP tactics.

                1. GA Anderson profile image91
                  GA Andersonposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                  My point about Harris had nothing to do with her days as a prosecutor, but everything to do with her insincerity.

                  Perhaps her response when questioned about her attacks on Biden during the debates can illustrate my point; She laughed and said, "It was a debate! It was a d-e-b-a-t-e!" leaving me with the perception that she was saying that the truth or your integrity don't matter in a debate, you say whatever you need to win.

                  Isn't that the same as saying you believe what you believe based on its benefit to you? Hell, if that busing issue comes up in the campaign she will probably defend Biden. Geesh.

                  GA

                  1. Ken Burgess profile image88
                    Ken Burgessposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                    In essence, she is willing to say whatever needs to be said, take whatever position is most expedient, and do whatever needs to be done...

                    Her moral compass points in whatever direction leads her to more power.

                    Am I close to comprehending the point you are trying to make?

      2. GA Anderson profile image91
        GA Andersonposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        Well hell, in spite of your chosen screen name, (I think it was a too cute choice that drastically hinders any thought of credibility—a poor choice), I read your link.

        It was a lengthy read that, other than the more vicious anti-Trump jabs, I found a lot I would agree with.

        Two quotes  grabbed nods of approval:

        "The party is so obsessed with fighting that it has lost sight of what it’s fighting for."

        "“We cannot save this country,” the elder Gaetz declared, “with politicians who have no principles.”


        Thanks for the link.

        GA

     
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