Hurray! The Marxist Revolution!
Brothers and Sisters raise your fists in the air!
Stand against us you better not dare!
so, you do not like the ideology and interests of the Democratic Party, well I don't like the Republicans either. So, where does that leave us?
Throwing around superlatives like Marxist and Communists do not make your case.
What are you afraid of, you status quo people should be happy as Biden is pretty much cut from the cloth from which most of you generally approve?
Ok, two words jump off the page --- status quo. Do you really see a man that has totally blown up Washington single-handed as status quo? He came in day one and caused absolute havoc. Need I remind you of him immediately ridding the country of the Obama multiple regulations, pulling out of NAFTA, insulting just about every country in Europe for not paying their fair share into NATO and the UN... Redoing the trade deals with Japan, Mexico, and Canada, and China. He bought all the ugliness of our old immigration laws into the light of day and is slowly building a wall. Trump has rebuilt our Military, and created a "Space Forse"... He opened a conversation with North Korea's Kim jong young, and while he golfed bombed Syria because they went over his red line in regard to chemical weapons. He provides lethal weapons to Ukraine, a long-awaited move that deepens America's involvement in the military conflict and may further strain relations with Russia. All while being accused of being in bed with Putin... Need I even go on? Maybe I should add the resent peace deal he brokered --- President Trump has brokered a historic deal between Israel and the United Arab Emirates, normalizing relations between the two countries and laying a foundation for peace in the Middle East. Then there was the little task of making America energy-dependent. Broke every economic record. It's actually hard to keep up with this Trump's daily agenda, makes my head spin. Just today he pardoned Susan B. Anthony. LOL --- There has never been a president like Trump. You can call him many things, but status quo, not so much. Not sure how you could have ignored all of Trump's accomplishments or consider him status quo.
I think one could call him a unique disrupture, a problem solver, but never a status quo individual.
Although, in my view, You are correct when you refer to Biden as the status quo. When you look at the term status quo in the Dictionary, Joe's photo will be right beside the definition. Biden is a dyed in the wool Democrat, his Bible is the old worn out Den playbook. " promise promise promise..." Lot's of words that sound really good, but in the end, mean zip.
the existing state of affairs, especially regarding social or political issues. Joe really does fit the bill. As Joe would say --- "Come On Man"
You have plenty of time to become a Trumper, it's not too late to back a real disrupter, a man that fights for real change. LOL (Kidding)
Sorry, Sharlee, it is more palatable to self mutilate than be a Trumper. How can I look at myself in the mirror and not hold myself in the greatest contempt.?
You're the "tough case". This Trump, from your perspective can do no wrong? I have my political preferences but rarely do I not find fault in something about any of them.
Honesty, while I consider Joe Biden a bit ingratiating with too much of his background being part of the problem, I would say the same about Trump, but there is this sense of malevolence from him that Is not part of Biden in the same way. That partially explains the difference in the candidates for me.
By the way, more stats indicate that Trump has played more golf and has taken much more downtime from the job than has Obama.
So, he is a hero for pardoning Susan B. Anthony, that is right up there with the traditional White house Easter Egg hunt.
The value of his diplomatic activities are yet to be determined, as I think that he undermines as much as he thinks he builds. He takes credit for an economy when Obama had to do all the heavy lifting to get us out from a depression like downturn that occurred during the GOPs watch.
Yeah, when it comes to lowering the boom on Republicans and Rightwingers, I am a tough nut to crack.
So, are you saying you are still on the fence regarding Trump?
I mean, I know the Left is into sticking all sorts of ornaments through ears, nose, mouth, etc.... that the type of self-mutilating you prefer?
Exactly, poster child for what is wrong with DC and the DNC.
I was surprised when talking to a couple of people today I would say come from the more liberal political spectrum, and hearing them voice their disappointment with how things went, with how the Democrats turned on Tulsi Gabbard and Andrew Yang rather than rallying around their fresh ideas and new faces.
I thought I was one of the few people who was willing to support Tulsi, but it seems she may have been more liked than I imagined.
The tragedy is what the DNC decided to go with... maybe this was decided before the pandemic hit... maybe they thought this election was a lost cause, and Trump would win in a landslide... which he would have, if not for the economic collapse due to the virus and many whacked State Governors.
Maybe by the time they realized that there was a chance to win this election, they were too far down the rabbit hole with dithering Joe.
Or maybe they have something much more sinister in mind, than a few months of rioting and the firing of police.
On the fence, Ken? I am a Democrat, so no Republican can possibly fill the bill. Not a chance.
I mean self mutilate like chopping off an arm or a leg.
I seem to hear that the convention went well with Michelle Obama shaking things up with her address to the point where even Fox had to give a positive acknowledgement.
Well, Ken, only under extreme exceptions are first term occupants denied a second term. With the pandemic and the lackluster economy, this just may be one of those times.
Yes, there is a chance that the Dems can win, a very good chance if we push hard till the very end and not take anything for granted.
Biggest thing I caught from Ms. Obama (outside of opinions and outright lies) was the dismay that voter rolls were being purged. She wants those dead people, those that moved long ago, the illegal aliens, etc. on the voter rolls and doesn't like that they are being purged.
Yes, sure it is, that is what YOU all say....
Why else would she be upset at taking them off the rolls if she doesn't plan on using those votes to win an election?
Here in Michigan, we have outrageous voter fraud. Especially in the 2016 presidential election. Dem's just done not do enough fraud to pull the state for Hillary.
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/ … /95363314/
"More than 6,400 of Michigan's 10,600 absentee ballots rejected Aug. 4 were turned away because they arrived after Election Day, Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson's office said Friday.
Another 2,225 ballots were discarded because there was no signature on the envelope; 1,111 were rejected because the voter moved; and 846 were not accepted because the voter was dead, according to data from Benson's office." https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/ … 584613002/
This is not happening just in Michigan but all over the county.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/artic … 43551.html
I can give example after example.
https://www.courthousenews.com/city-cle … d-charges/
Explain how that proves fraud? Doesn't it prove the exact opposite? Unacceptable ballots are caught and discarded.
And remember, Trump and Melania vote by mail. In fact, they don't just vote by mail. They had somebody else drop the ballots off for them.
Shouldn't we all have that right?
Are we all the president of the United States? Is a president not allowed to have a bit of privilege? Perhaps, it's one of the perks that comes with the job.
PS Anybody can request a mail-in absentee ballot.
"Is a president not allowed to have a bit of privilege?"
Not at my expense, he doesn't. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.
The perks involve lying, engaging in hypocrisy and double standards, concepts synonymous with very name "Trump".
He voted by mail, yet he says it's fraudulent. Do I have to define irony?
Now why would you say that? Trump has NEVER said that absentee voting (what he did) would be fraudulent, although he HAS said (correctly) that general vote by mail as perceived by Democrats would be rife with fraud.
Perhaps with all the confusion brought about by mail-in voting by the media, you may not understand the difference between the mail-in vote and absentee vote. An absentee can be obtained by --Request your mail-in ballot with a mail ballot application from your city or township clerk. The city Cleark will at that point have you on file as an absentee voter. It will stand to prove you are registered and get one vote...
The ballot will be addressed to you with your name, and other personal information that works to prove who you are.
Mail-in voting --- All-Mail Voting: In a handful of states, a ballot is automatically mailed to every eligible voter (no request or application is necessary). Over the years this kind of voting has led to problems. Votes have been cast by dead people, and people that no longer even live at the address the balot was sent to.
https://thehill.com/regulation/court-ba … or-mail-in
https://www.courthousenews.com/city-cle … d-charges/
Absentee voting is well excepted and over the years has showed very little fraud. It is easy to request an absentee ballot, and it will give one the right to vote by mail.
I want to harken back to statements we made a few days ago
And you replied
And you replied to another comment I made to GA regarding business failure rates, etc.
It is interesting that you and I can come so close at times to common ground, or to at least understanding where the other is coming from, and at other times seem so incapable of that.
Different perspectives and different racial experiences in a country that has a history based on the worst racism certainly foster a lot of that.
To answer your questions:
If you grow up watching your father run a business, build houses, run a bank, or something along those lines... more often than not these values and lessons are going to be absorbed, this becomes the accepted norm.
And the more money that you are born into, the more times you can fail and recover from it.
But then, I also consider the examples of my own past.
My Great Grandfather owned a business that helped build the Cape Cod Canal and some of the biggest buildings in the region at that time (schools, government centers). They owned a lot of land (which was cheap back then) and were well off.
My Father's father, and his brothers, lost it all.
My father grew up poor, in essentially what was the projects.
My father, and one of my uncles, served in the military, they both worked two jobs regularly, they helped one another build their own homes, my father built the first two homes I lived in, from pouring the foundation to roofing and everything in between, electrical, plumbing, etc.
(On a side note, you can't do that in today's world. Everything needs to be done by a licensed engineer, a licensed electrician, etc. etc.)
But while my Father and my Uncle did that... two of my other uncles were total bums, one died young, one died old, both were drunkards and jerks.
Who knows the why's of things... we all make our own destiny.
My father was handed nothing, there was no privilege being a poor white kid in a region filled with white people.
Pretty sure it works like that in a black community, no benefits to being poor period, it takes a lot more effort to work your way from poor to rich, than to simply maintain the wealth a predecessor created for you for sure.
But all that aside, the politics of today, the Progressive Left, Social Justice, Political Correctness... its not going to bring a better or more equal or more beneficial world to 'your people'.
Political Correctness is old Stalinist Dogma a tool to fight Western civilization to create a One World Socialist Government.
Social Justice and PC are two sides of the same coin of Socialism.
We are witnessing a portion of people in our country, with considerable support from media and social platform sources try and recreate today a Socialist Revolution in America, much in the way it took place in Russian Duma (Russian parliament) one hundred years ago.
Its worth looking deeper into, and worth considering where this will lead if successful.
Under capitalism the laws of supply and demand responds to reality, those that can make the best product receive the most success, those that make a poor product fail.
Socialist nations, and socialism in general removes incentives, removes rewards for effort, removes the merit system. It allows the elites to have even more power and control, while the commoner has almost none.
Show me real evidence of where this is not so?
Socialism without an equally powerful Capitalist system results in stagnant nations and starving populations.
I think we make great progress considering our being on opposite sides, politically.
Your observation regarding some of the "worst racism" as fostering a lot of this, quite true.
Ken, but at least you have had resources that were available for your forebears to begin with that they unfortunately lost. You speak of individual examples, while I am talking about structural and systemic inequity beyond the misfortunes that can happen to anyone of us, individually.
While there is more involved to a financially successful beginning than having inheritances and wealthy forebears, it still bestows an advantage all the same that cannot be ignored.
"But all that aside, the politics of today, the Progressive Left, Social Justice, Political Correctness... its not going to bring a better or more equal or more beneficial world to 'your people'"
People on the right have always said such things to me all of my life and they have turned out to be mere bogeymen. Obama a Socialist/Communist? That was the rubbish that emanated from rightwing media. Who expected me to believe it?
All this talk about Socialism and threatened Western Civilization and such whenever a challenge is made to insist on a more just and fair system? The Right associates even the most modest reform in the direction I am speaking of as Socialism and One World Government and all of that stuff.
I don't think that the absolute monarchy of Czar Nicholas II was a preferred method of government over the up and coming Bolsheviks. It is not a good example.
Making any adjustment to Capitalism is akin to the Conservative as touching the eyeball of God. I am not as impressed nor as protective of a system that requires regulation as a fundamental part of its very nature.
I can't argue with you about Socialism and no one is advocating it to replace Capitalism. I know that Capitalism provides the incentive for people to work and be productive, but that does not mean that it does not have its own intrinsic problems. I think this society operates on both, ours is far more Capitalistic relative to Western European democracies, for example, but one component is just as important as the other to make it all work properly.
Despite our differences and preferences... I think the most difficult barrier to our being able to come together behind a Candidate is that you believe the Democrats are good, and Republicans are bad.
I believe they are both bad, I believe they are two sides of the same coin, I believe they have been playing the American people for fools for decades now, and that is why 90% of the career politicians and DC lifers are aligned against Trump.
I think this when I read the Wall Street Journal where a large number of ex FBI, CIA, Republican politicians have an Ad against Trump.
Former CIA chief and former National Security Adviser Gen. Michael Hayden, former Deputy Secretary of State John Negroponte, former director of the National Counterterrorism Center Michael Leiter, when these types of people go out of their way to oppose a President, it just lends credibility to stories about a sinister Establishment, the Swamp, the Elites.
https://www.ibtimes.com/over-70-former- … ti-3032006
The Democrats have not helped the oppressed communities in America, they have ensured they remain in poverty for decades. The only thing they give the people are the lies they want to hear.
You are absolutely right, that the Republicans have been no better in their concern for those communities or Americans in general.
But Trump really isn't a Republican, he is an insurgent sent there by people who have had enough of the corruption and selling out of the American people by the politicians who only care about their own power and privilege.
And that's why they are all against him... that's why they have spent the last four years painting him as the worst person to ever walk the earth.
Until you realize that the likes of Biden and the powers that be in the DNC pulling the strings are a bigger enemy to you and your causes than Trump could ever be... you will be supporting the very people that are looking to do you the most harm.
'But Trump really isn't a Republican, he is an insurgent sent there by people who have had enough of the corruption and selling out of the American people by the politicians who only care about their own power and privilege.'
What you mistake is that we feel Republicans are bad. That is not the case, what we think is bad is Trump and people that can back him. Why? Because this is a man that misused charity funds to help his campaign. Because this is a man who broke campaign finance laws and then committed fraud to cover up that crime. This is a man who clearly allowed his campaign to work with and accept the help of a country that is hostile to the United States. This is a man who blackmailed another government to announce a fake investigation into his campaign opponent. And in the face of all those facts, people that back Trump didn't even blink. They make excuses for his corruption.
No, you didn't send someone in to fight the corruption, you sent in a wrecking ball to dismantle government, one who lacks the intelligence to rebuild after the destruction.
But what really needed destroying. From what you claim, it's the actual politicians that get rich from their positions of power. Congressmen sure fit that bill. What laws or executive orders has Trump proposed to change that dynamic? Did he back campaign finance reform, like the Democrats have put forward? Is he trying to get dark money out of politics? No, he's funneling campaign money through shell companies to members of his family and his businesses. He runs a hotel just down the street for visiting politicians to stay at to enrich himself.
Wake up, Ken. He's not a fighter of corruption. He's brought his own self-dealing corruption openly into the mix and his supporters accept it.
"Until you realize that the likes of Biden and the powers that be in the DNC pulling the strings are a bigger enemy to you and your causes than Trump could ever be... you will be supporting the very people that are looking to do you the most harm."
Ken, up to now, I have not seen any evidence of that.
Trump won only through the Electoral College, hardly a mandate from the overwhelming number of the electorate.
The people and agenda that are the most stifling to my objectives are conservatives, right wingers and Republicans, of whom Trump represents that far more than would a Biden or Obama. From experience and my own two eyes, that is quite evident.
We can talk about the Democrats and their lies, but I can make evident the Truth of the GOP as obstructive to protecting those values of paramount interest to me, and doing it far more broadly and consistently.
From my standpoint, while you speak of One World Government, Western Civilization and White Supremacy, the true test is who is actually threatening the concepts that are the very linchpin of a democratic society, with labels just being incidental to it all.
Much of what you speak of reminds me of the endless bogeyman, cry wolf associated with the Communist scare of the not so distant past. The Right fed on this narrative to conceal its contempt for civil rights, organized labor, etc.
When I revisit Castro, after he kicked out American multinationals who were ripping off the people, and nationalized primary industries, he was declared Marxist and no longer part of the "free world".
We maintained the "pi$$ing contest against Castro for over 50 years until Obama was wise enough to attempt tho ratchet down age old grievances during his administration. Meanwhile the rest of the globe stopped treating Cuba as a pariah nation long before this. Funny, how in the meantime we embraced loathsome tyrants that made Castro look like a teddy bear in comparison.
Then there was this "free world, attitude applied to South Africa. The African National Congress (ANC) was called a terrorist organization in the face of the racist apartheid nation of South Africa. Reagan condemns Cuba, but saw a need for "constructive engagement" with the South African government. What you speak about is basically a warmed over version of the same ole "stuff".
The Right can never be my ally, as the Right is always Wrong.
Well what is the Right to you Credence?
Does that mean White to you?
Does that mean regular Republicans (Swamp politicians)?
There was a time when I supported the Democrats, back when the Democrats supported the working class, the American workers, the Unions.
They don't give a crap about those people today... they give them lip service and tell them to fall in line, or else be called a sexist, or racist, or right-winger, or worse.
The Democrat Party openly campaigns for Open Borders without background checks, they openly want to do away with guns, promising they will come for them... they support the rioting mobs and make excuses for them, while the police are being defunded and told to stand down by Democrat Politicians.
We have several States in this country ready to fall into chaos, such as Washington and Oregon, this is not going to lead to Civil War. It is going to ensure rational folks with the economic means fleeing places like NY, CA and OR for places like FL, TX and WY.
This is going on now, people are moving by the hundreds of thousands (as a RE Agent I am more aware of this than most) and have been for months now. It will only increase in its urgency and numbers if the Democrats gain even more power in November.
I don't support Trump because I think he is the greatest guy.
The alternative is allowing the country's sovereignty to die, open and systemic racism to be supported, our weapons to defend ourselves and our ability to freely speak our minds be stripped from us.
These are the things they have promised us... it isn't some conspiracy theory, it isn't some right-wing lie, they campaigned on these points, and if they have the numbers in Congress and control the Presidency they will pursue them to the best of their ability.
Only the revolutionaries, those set on retribution, or those blinded by the poisoned propaganda fed to them by MSM could support the Democratic Party right now.
This post was the literal example of someone taking the fringe elements of a party and applying those views to the mainstream of the group.
The 'open borders' quote was taken from a speech Hillary Clinton was giving as it related to trade. She wanted to have open borders for our trade partners and the flow of goods. Some campaign aide got a hold of her speech and completely used that quote out of context. Is there a faction on the left that would be fine eliminating borders, sure, but it's likely a minority within the party in the same way that a minority of conservatives would be fine eliminating immigration entirely to the United States.
And most Democrats support the right to protest, while believing that those who riot should go to jail.
'Only the revolutionaries, those set on retribution, or those blinded by the poisoned propaganda fed to them by MSM could support the Democratic Party right now.'
Or those who are tired of seeing children shot at schools with weapons that should be reserved just for shooting ranges or the men and women of our military. No one is ever talking about getting rid of the second amendment - most Democrats believe in that right. But just like free speech, there should be some limitations.
I do agree we have several states ready to fall into chaos. You have a lot of people out of work due to a virus, which is going to contribute to rising crime. You have some distrust of police after three minorities were killed in the streets or in their homes while sleeping. And instead of empathy, we get the leader of a party who fans the flames of that conflict by sending in a goon squad to attack mothers peacefully protesting in the streets. Instead of healing or calling for changes, he divides and encourages more violence.
I'm sorry, but those that believe in our Constitution can easily see a reason to support the Democratic Party. Those that don't want our leaders to cozy up to dangerous autocrats or have their campaign's accept assistance from foreign influence that clearly does not have our nation's best interest in mind. You've come on here and spoken up about the Trump Campaign and Russia - did you read the recent Senate Report confirming the coordination between the two? How can a former patriot to this nation defend that?
I have no interest in discussing politics with you, I just wanted to take the time to make that clear to you.
There are people here in these forums that have differing views, that I learn from, and hopefully on occasion they learn something of relevance from me.
Your posts however are not of those seeking to gain knowledge IMO, you hide behind a fake name, you spout things that are so obviously false, only the most uninformed individual would lend any credibility to your words.
The above quote is a perfect example.
The Democrat's Debates, which can be easily found on YouTube... offer plenty of evidence of their stance on Open Borders, on taking away Weapons, on making free speech illegal if someone else finds it offensive (and they will be the ones to determine what is offensive, and what is not).
The DNC and the powers pulling the strings of the Democratic Party destroyed the voices with reasonable and new ideas, they marginalized Yang, they character assassinated Gabbard, and they ordered Warren to sabotage Sanders.
The truth is easy enough to find when it is all there on Youtube and was all covered by the MSM as it occurred.
Biden, Harris, Orourke, etc. made it clear what their positions are.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/decrimin … 6116392906
https://www.foxnews.com/transcript/demo … nfiscation
Enjoy your time on HubPages.
I'll keep it short as you have expressed your desire to ignore the easily-found information I provide. Here is the information on the open borders claim I made:
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 … ave-open-/
And you call him Mr. Credence or Cred Ence?
Regardless of the fact that you and I appear to be making the same point, you are not making fun of me or my handle, are you?
The Right does not have to be white, but it is about attitudes.
I consider preservation of the environment as important, the Right allows the caprice of industry and corporate America to take precedence.
I vote against laissez faire capitalism and require fair labor laws to protect workers, while the Right is more interested in the objectives of Capital.
I want a non-establishment stand for religion in America, while the Right wants a Judeo-Christian acknowledgment as a fundamental tenet of society.
I want the military global strategy and tactics managed within parameters, and oppose profligate spending beyond legitimate defence concerns.
I support Roe vs Wade as written, not finding every opportunity to restrict abortion rights.
I emphasize fairness, while the Right emphasizes preference and privilege of the few over the many.
So, it is not just about "White" but about a philosophy which I sure that you can understand.
It is the Democrats that are pushing for a higher minimum wage while the GOP resists, does the working man benefit?
I support those things, and I support what not so long ago you stated was an acceptable and civil way of making restitution for past racial discriminations.
As I discussed with you a year or so ago, I had high hopes that we would see someone break through on the Democratic Party's side to win the nomination.
Instead we were given what we have been given, which I recognize as a corrupt cabal that for the last 30 years has worked to outdo the Republicans in most of the worst ways imaginable.
The ACA did far more to make the Insurance and Pharma companies rich, than it did to help the American people.
NAFTA, China's Trade Status, the repeal of Glass-Steagall, and so much more the Democrats pursued these things with far more tenacity than the Republicans... all of which have been greatly harmful to our economy and the "average" American.
You cling to their pandering lies, and the bones they throw you.
I see them equally as reprehensible and detrimental to OUR wellbeing as the Republicans. They lie about who they are, and whose interests they are truly fighting for. In comparison at least the Republicans are honest about who they are and what their goals are... even if you despise much of them.
And again, I stress, while Trump is dislikable, detestable for many, he is an insurgent... he is no more a true Republican than you are. He is there because the majority of the 60+ million people put him there as a big FU to the establishment... to politics as normal.
Biden is politics as normal... Biden is the establishment regaining full control. Biden is a return to China running roughshod over America in Trade, Biden is a return to Corporation's interests over American's interest... ONLY if Biden loses, ONLY if these relics (Pelosi, Schumer, Biden) of wanton disregard for the American people lose their power and control in DC can anything move forward that you hope for.
Biden is by far the bitter pill of defeat... far more so than Trump is.
You will never see the likes of a Warren or Gabbard as President, you will never see their likes gain control in Congress, if this movement in that direction is hijacked by the establishment and their stooge Biden and his selected accomplice Harris.
"I support those things, and I support what not so long ago you stated was an acceptable and civil way of making restitution for past racial discriminations"
Thanks for that, Ken.
I am not overjoyed as to how things turn out, but....
But when it comes to correcting the mistake of Glass-Steagall, the Republicans have been more resistant.
But if the GOP is honest and forthright about their goal of cutting me off at the knees, why should I support them? Even if I get relative crumbs from the Democrats at least they have not been totally non-supportive in virtually every aspect. From Trump and the GOP stated goal, they are not only not going to move anything forward but gives grave concern that we are actually not reversing course.
Trump and the GOP make clear their objectives,
We have problems with either party, I just trust Trump and the GOP much less.
The fact that Trump aligns himself with the GOP and the party embraces him is all the convincing I need. So, he is unique?
So you think Trump truly aligns himself with the GOP? I find him a true enigma. I think he is in it to create much-needed change. I think he is somewhat predictable when it comes to bucking either party.
He was and remains a gamble, but he has proven himself a problem solver in my view.
However, I totally know where you are coming from.
Because that's not good enough.
If you want real change...
If I try and look at things from your perspective, Obama was a great disappointment, he used his political capital to force through the ACA.
He could have chosen many different things, he chose the ACA, which was written by (and for) the Insurance and Big Pharma companies.
It was never going to work for the benefit of all Americans, it just shifted who got crapped on from those who have serious medical conditions to the people that work for a living and are always struggling to get by.
Millions of people had to choose to pay for Insurance that was worthless for them unless they got hit by a bus, because the deductible was so high, or be fined/taxed for not having it, and not having any protection if they did get seriously sick.
Obama also chose to destroy Libya for no good reason. He chose to support efforts to overthrow Syria's leader, he chose to send more troops to Afghanistan rather than get us out of there.
He was given an opportunity FEW Presidents ever have... his party controlled the House and Senate, and the people and media were behind him... and all he did was prove he was another corporate stooge and warmonger.
That's the real reason why we have Trump... people on BOTH sides, people who have never voted, have had enough of the corruption, the lies, the betrayal of our own government.
The heads of the FBI, CIA, NSA, and many well known Republicans stood against Trump those first two years... what does that tell you?
It tells you he isn't "one of the boys"... least not the corrupt callous DC insiders. Like Biden is.
He's a disruption, the Swamp has been repeatedly exposed for what it is, there WILL be change... but NOT if you settle for that puppet Biden.
Not if you say... OK... I'll take my crumbs... I believe your stories about that Boogyman (Trump) and I'll settle for Biden, at least he is not as bad.
Biden is the establishment... so is Harris....they will do what they have done for the last 30 years... crap all over all Americans, if they get control.
I'm sure you have some stats and not conspiracy theories to back up your lie about illegal aliens being on voter rolls.
I respect your fortitude. But you did not address my comment in regards to referring to Trump as Status Quo... Very hard to deny facts when they are placed on a big old plate in front of you. In regard to lowering the boom on Republicans or rightwingers, you need something factual to do that. All I mentioned in my previous comment is factual. I was careful to make sure of that.
I see Trump's havoc as creating division and consternation. He does what Republicans always do, put the concerns of the wealthy over the rest of us. In that way, he is "status quo". They all threaten cuts to Social Security and Medicare. They dismiss the concept of Obamacare without replacing it with anything at all, even though they said that they would.
Oh, yes, I know about Republicans and their wiles, and they are no good.
Republicans are at odds with me and my beliefs in a fundamental way. I would not want to bore you with a encloypedia worth of evidence
Meh, not really a big deal. Press me hard enough and I'll cease my contracts, writing, workouts, and video games cycle to bust out the plate carriers and ordinance. The last thing they want is to get people like me off the hamster wheel to bite the hand that feeds.
Nothing to see here, it's an election year. It'll all blow over and the narrative will stay the same, or perhaps just change its tone to the other side if Joe "Grip'er and Sniff'er" Biden wins. Trump will still be an ass either way.
No, this election indicates whether the country stands or not.
Yeah, that's what people said after Clinton, then Bush Jr., and Obama as well. Logically, I can only conclude that it was said before every election prior and will be said before every election to come.
Granted, we are all more aware due to transparency in the digital age, so we all get to have a voice and opinion on such seemingly-bleak scenarios, but dommsdayers will always be doomsdayers.
I don't see anyone or anything standing or falling any more or less now than I did before, but I do see more people broadcasting their every worthless thought. Just grab some popcorn and remain neutral until things really start to go down, that's the only time anyone will act anyways.
No, we need to be proactive. It is an urgent matter. The far left really adheres to Marxism and socialism. Eventually their efforts will bring forth Communism.
Unless you L I K E working for
and then 2.) The State.
I like working for myself and my loved ones and then, as I can, my community, state and country.
The most proactive I can be is protesting against those destroying the nation, and I did. During these racially-driven protests I stood against the racial extremists of the BLM movement, assisting in security and other measures. I can't do anymore than that, because I live under an authoritarian system where force can only be matched with equal, reasonable force by private citizens.
That is my version of eating popcorn, the hamster wheel, and discussing it on a forum is no more proactive than picking a big juicy booger and flicking it across the room.
You're talking up the rungs, not down them in this situation.
up the rungs ? not down? explain please!
Ken, America is becoming more divided than ever. There is a strict chasm based upon political, racial, & class lines. There is going to be a civil war based upon the aforementioned lines. That is what I am afraid of. There is a storm brewing ahead & it won't be pretty at all.
The idiots in the middle picture won't last long once the revolution gets into full swing.
Here comes the revolution! Let it come and let us comprehend finally how it will make us miserable. Sometimes the school of hard knocks is the only way to learn. Bummer.
Now let's see, which country would I like to move to?
Hmmm ... why not Scotland or the middle of England where my ancestors are from?
Check your own will. Check what you really care about.
Is it ALL?
or yourself and your loved ones?
Whomever agrees with the former, can take the next space flight to Mars and establish that ideal there.
Over-concern for ALL leads to over-high taxes.
Who can argue this simple fact?
I would like to understand what you said about force being matched etc.
I mean that if I had the power, the legally-sanctioned rights from the authoritarian regime that dictates our actions, I would be much more proactive and progressive toward dismantling the threats to our country. However, because of that authoritarian system inherent in government and any first-world country for that matter, I can only play within the guidelines of the rules.
If you speak to me, I can speak to you. If you push me, I can push you. If you hit me, I can hit you. If you try to kill me, I can kill you.
What I cannot do, however, is gather a group of skilled individuals to go out and disestablish what I know to be the biggest threats to our country's stability. It's illegal, and we have a force-for-force system. Essentially, our authoritarian system demands we sit with our thumbs up our nose until we are justified in our proactive actions.
I'm more proactive than those who think voting and debate have any meaning outside of symbolic gestures and posturing.
Interesting perspective, and relatively speaking, fairly accurate... to an extent.
You have the right to defend yourself... from violent harm, in most states still.
In States like NY and cities like Chicago, you don't even have that.
The people you consider a threat, are made up mostly from the last decade or two of graduates from College. The ones that have been indoctrinated by Critical Theory or Social Justice, they have entire Programs and Advanced Degrees devoted to these 'ideologies' in the majority of colleges today.
These young people who have been brainwashed with these extremist concepts, then go on to work for CNN, MSNBC, Google, Facebook, Congress, Hollywood... all sorts of positions that allow them to control the narrative (propaganda) you are exposed to.
The Former CIA Director under Obama was a renowned Communist and Sharia Law advocate. When people like that are at the pinnacles of power, and your best Universities are churning out well educated revolutionaries... there is no easy fix.
Eventually, if they gain enough control of enough positions of power, you can rest assured we will have "re-education camps" just like they do in Communist China.
Eventually, all voices that try to speak out against the Party will be silenced, one way or the other.
I'm not the highest educated person, and I never will be, so the force-for-force system will always be my proactive tool of choice. There are those of us who wear suits, and those of us who wield the rifles. I'm not a suit-wearing warrior.
There are warriors on both sides, the constructive and deconstruction sides, and from my perspective we are losing the ability to move against them already.
GM says a civil war is brewing, and I can't help but agree. If it comes down to putting our own citizens in internment camps, then actions to counter such garbage will become justified. Of course, for it to be legally justified the balance of power would have to switch in favor of those fighting against it.
Essentially, I'm not just talking about the BLM movement. I see society as a battlefield and there is a cold war occurring at the social level, but I'm prepared for it to go hot at any time.
Nothing to see here but Trump asking his followers for a unity pledge that looks eerily similar to a nazi salute. Every campaign has its moments of incorrect perception.
A. Taxes which are too high.
B. Regulations which prohibit freedom in the market place.
C. The inability to succeed in self-survival.
These inflictions are what we do not want or need. How come this simple fact is ignored?
How come people want to shoot themselves in the feet?
How come they don't want to make their lives good for themselves?
Instead, they want the government to step into the picture and make it good for them.
Well, guess what? The government cannot do what only the individual can do ...
- for himself.
It's time to discriminate between what the government can and cannot do for individuals on a realistic level.
Not on an unrealistic level.
Why hate a president who's total focus is facilitating self-survival for all citizens?
What about his policies, is there to revolt against?
Why be tricked by lies such as, "He has no empathy" by those who truly have no empathy? Who only pretend to have empathy.
And Empathy for who?
Illegal aliens who have no business in this country? "Let them in!"
Lawless anarchists who hate this country? "Let them riot!"
Criminals who prey on innocent victims? "Let them out!"
Luckily, those unacceptable ballots were caught and discarded.
Wondering who caught Biden's speech last night...The one that the Drudge Report and Fox News is gushing over for, this according to Fox News hosts 'shoots a big hole in Trump's claims that Biden is diminished in any way.'
Really? He read from a prompter, and yes he gave a very dramatic say nothing speech. he gave no indication of what his agenda is. Only unsustainable promises. I mean come on --- heal the great divide, bring about true racial equality... Would all be wonderful, as it would have been when Obama promised all the same... All sounds pretty flowery to me.
You're getting on him for things he hopes to achieve but let Trump go when he says things like Mexico will pay for the wall, he'll end the deficit, he's got a great new healthcare option, he won't touch social security, he'll invest in infrastructure, grow the economy by 4% a year, save the coal industry. Politicians say things they hope to achieve. I think striving to achieve a unified nation with racial equality would be something welcomed in these troubled times instead of described as 'flowery.'
Issues like that fix themselves in times of prosperity when everyone is happily achieving what they want in life.
So you think a trade deal that started just this past July has paid for the wall? More likely that Trump stole money from the Pentagon and taxpayers for any new construction. Or people like Steven Bannon raised money through crowdfunding (while embezzling some for themselves).
Trump tried to attack social security, but Congress would not support his budget.
And there's that claim again, that a president who took a 4.2% unemployment rate and lowered it to 3.5% gets the credit more than the guys who lowered it from 10% to 4.2%. You say broken records, without taking into account who got the country most of the way to those records, which I could spend the time to lay out in detail but would not halt you from giving all the credit to Trump.
Then Trump failed to take necessary steps to prevent the virus until it was here already while he golfed and held rallies, which has led to that unemployment rate rising back above 10%. Obama and Biden stopped Ebola from getting through our ports of entry after learning important lessons during H1N1 that they left to Trump, who proceeded to ignore or dismantle those measures.
Are you saying that because, (if?), the new trade deal is better for the U.S. that amounts to Mexico paying for the wall? If you are, then doesn't that mean Canada will also be paying for it?
I may have misunderstood your comment because I can't see the connection. Mexico is not paying for the wall, U.S. taxpayers are.
As a sidenote: China is not paying millions or billions in tariff costs, U.S. consumers are paying that too.
So, nice to see you alive and well.
Trump has frequently made the anthology that the Mexico trade deal is putting cash in the US coffers and claims this newfound cash is in a way paying for the wall. did it pay for the wall, no, has he added cash to the coffers from the Mexico/Canda deal, yes. And I am aware of how Trump has 'begged borrowed and stoled" to pay for the 300 miles of wall. All from taxpayer's cash.
I have not studied the China trade deal much after the pandemic hit I figured they most likely won't keep their part of the bargain anyway. I have read recently that U.S. and retaliatory tariffs currently impact over $40 some billion of imports and exports, and President Trump’s t still imposed tariffs are increasing annual consumer costs in America by roughly $57 billion annually. The tariffs are having a notable impact on trade levels, and decreasing both imports and exports, which has to lead to reduces consumers’ options and further increases prices in the US. We may never know if the China deal would have been beneficial to the US, the pandemic has put a hold on the negotiations, and the deal is now precarious. China has also claimed due to the virus they are having problems keeping to the first part of the agreement. Unfortunately, the virus has made such a negative impact on the countries economy. What crazy times we live in.
That might be one of the most honest assessments you've ever made pertaining to Trump. Bravo.
I understand that you are saying it is Trump that is say that in a way Mexico is paying for the wall via the increased cash benefit to the U.S. from his new trade deal. But . . . I ain't buying it.
I don't know a lot about the new USMC deal, but what looking around I did do spoke of it being years before the real benefits of the deal to the U.S. would be realized.
So, at this point, I think the claim that Mexico is paying for the wall, via the new trade deal, is as bogus as the original claim that Mexico would pay for the wall.
In my post to Tonald Drump, I was pointing out what Trump's belief that in some way the money that the New Mexico deal has brought in has paid for the wall. I requested he check out a few of Trump's rallies fro 2016 where he claimed he would get a new trade deal with Mexico, and in the long run they would help pay for the wall.
My true feelings, not Trump's analogy were in my post to you ---
"Trump has frequently made the analogy I that the Mexico trade deal is putting cash in the US coffers and claims this newfound cash is in a way paying for the wall. did it pay for the wall, no, has he added cash to the coffers from the Mexico/Canda deal, yes. And I am aware of how Trump has 'begged borrowed and stoled" to pay for the 300 miles of wall. All from taxpayer's cash."
We are of the same mind in regards to the Mexico deal, I have not been unable to find any stats on the deal in regards to any monetary figures on the Mexico deal. It will be interesting to see if we have a monetary benefit from the deal.
No, Mexico is not and won't be paying for the wall. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
I reread my comment to Tonald, I see where you were coming from.
That was a mistake in itself, but if you have the time to waste, go right ahead.
Unfortunately, there is a soft revolution-look at Portand & Seattle. People are protesting all over the place. I am apprehensive that there will be a harsher revolution. Thought the 21st century would be AN IMPROVEMENT of humankind & that humankind would evolve. Who am I kidding? The 20th century was supposed to be a century of promise-however, there was World War I, World War II with the Holocaust & other evils & other historical malaises. When will humankind LEARN????
They are (were) protesting by the tens of thousands in Hong Kong.
They have been protesting for two years (Yellow Vests) by the tens of thousands in Paris.
Protests are erupting against coronavirus lockdowns around the world.
In comparison our "protests" are mild, and more like riots and looting sprees than a truly unified movement.
Yes, politicians do offer things they would like to achieve during their time in office. Did Joe give an agenda last night? I must have missed it. " unified nation with racial equality " You are aware he has been in politics for many many years? He was VP to a president that made the very same promise in regard to the. Wonder what has held him up, stopped him from accomplishing those two very important things? Like I said the speech, in my opinion, was flowery. had no substance. One may have felt very good hearing all of his sentiments, but in an hour or so hopefully woke up to the fact he really said nothing. Lots of I am this, and he is that...
We have this going on, but you're worked up over Biden.
"President Donald Trump on Sunday night retweeted Russian propaganda about former Vice President Joe Biden that the US intelligence community recently announced was part of Moscow's ongoing effort to "denigrate" the Democrat ahead of November's election."
Yes, the Revolution appears to be coming. A Russian takeover of the U.S. courtesy of Donald Trump. The guy is committing treason right in front of our eyes.
I'm reading about the Third Reich. Trump's faithful are similar to Hitler's in their blind devotion. (I am not comparing Trump to Hitler)
You are saying Trump supporters have blind devotion.
You are ultimately intitled to your beliefs. Although I find the book "The Third Reich" could be more appt to depict the movement of the "New Socialist Democratic Party". For a better lack of a name... The book mirrors the Dem's movement. maybe you are not far enough into the book to recognize this?
Many Dem's have a blind devotion to a new concept they see as a better way to govern, and it's fully stoked, and represented through media propaganda. I guess as individuals we see things very differently.
I am content to let the voters decide which approach and direction is the best to take.
Are conservatives willing to accept that?
After all, Donald Trump has had 4 years and at least two of those when the GOP was in control of congress. Conservatives and the GOP should have been able to make their case to the majority of voters as to why they are the better alternative and win over those that would otherwise hold them in derision.
Lets be fair.
You are talking from a "politics as normal" perspective.
Many of Republican politicians HATED Trump as much as the Democrat politicians did. Many resigned from their offices in 2018 rather than work to strengthen the Republican majority.
On average, 22 House members retire each cycle. But in 2018, almost six dozen Republicans either resigned, retired, took other positions.
House Speaker Ryan worked to slow and stymie Trump's efforts, especially on his efforts of real Affordable Care Act overhaul or repeal.
While the Anti-Trump Republicans stalled, the Democrats and their allies went to work to assault Trump's Administration from day 1, making false accusations about Russian collusion, going after people in his Administration with false charges (IE - Flynn) ... then once they had majority in the House, they used their majority to investigate and impeach Trump over BS.
The Establishment, the corrupt Senators and Congressmen that have roamed DC for decades, those in collusion with foreign powers like China (IE - Senator Feinstein https://thefederalist.com/2018/08/08/se … ffice-spy/ ) and those that are Corporate shills that make their fortunes selling out the best interests of the American people.
Trump is something they are not... he is not a bought and paid for stooge. He is not an owned asset of some foreign power or corporation. And this is why those who are, work so hard to accuse him of being everything they are, and more.
Yes... Trump is a Billionaire, and most of the negative things that go with being such apply to him. But at least he is not one of them, he is not a traitor to the American people as is nearly every member of Congress that has been there since the 90s... which are too damned many... who have been there for too damned long.
More lies. Your statements are completely contradicted by the bi-partisan report on the Russian investigation:
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/08 … usion.html
Among other things, Paul Manafort worked with a man linked to Russian intelligence and Trump continues to push a narrative about Joe Biden that his own intelligence agency has said is Russian propaganda.
You seem to have this backward. Putin puts out bounties on American soldiers. He poisons his political rivals. And Trump bends over and takes it, making a laughing stock of America.
America is as weak as it's ever been.
And he's likely funded by Russian oligarchs.
And he sides with Putin over his own intelligence services.
And he excuses Saudi Princes when they assassinate journalists.
And he allows Turkey to slaughter our allies to promote his business interest there.
He's more than bought, just not by US corporations that he's in competition with.
Why are all these prominent politicians that oppose Trump are wrong and Trump and his followers are correct?
You don't assign any blame to Trump but to dozens of legislators that voluntarily stepped down?
Trump is center Right and for me that is "center wrong". I can never support any right wing agenda regardless of the label. And, yes, he IS one of them, preservation of his wealth and the class that he is a part of, he has shown to be paramount
As for the veracity of accusations against the Trump administration, that can be considered debatable.
I am also content to let the voters decide, as I was in 2016. Your sentiment rings hollow for many, many that refused to respect the fact in 2016 that the voters did decide. I would think it will be no different this time around if Trump wins.
I would also consider many on the right will not be gracious to accept it if Biden wins. They have learned from the Dems how they can make an elected president's time in office hell...
And the votes are not in so perhaps to soon to say Trump has not made his case to the majority or at best the independents and more black voters.
'They have learned from the Dems how they can make an elected president's time in office hell...'
Like when the GOP leader of the Senate refuses to work with a duly elected President. Pendulum swings both ways. This partisanship started the moment Obama was elected and has only gotten worse with Trump's election.
Yes, I agree the pendulum started to quickly swing left under Obama, that's why you have Trump. It did not take long for citizens to become very discussed with Obama. As I said thank him for Trump...
It will be interesting to see what the people will do when they have to check that box. However --- Democrats controlled the 111th Congress (2009–2011) with majorities in both houses/ I would guess he should have been able to work with the majority. But he did not... Not sure one can blame The Leader Of The House for how it votes. John Boehne was a Rep. But the majority of House and Senate were Dems. (2009 02011)
I doubt Obama led to Trump so much as government dysfunction led to Trump. If Obama could have been elected to a third term, he probably would have been. But the ineffectiveness of our government made many want something different. To put that dysfunction all on Obama just shows your own hatred towards the man.
And in his first two years in office, Obama had to combat the GOP's record setting use of the filibuster. In 2009, there were a record 67 filibusters in the first half of the 111th Congress -- double the number that occurred in the entire 20-year period between 1950 and 1969.
By the time the 111th Congress adjourned in December 2010, the number of filibusters had swelled to 137 for the entire two-year term of the 111th Congress. During the 111th Congress, over 400 bills that had been passed by the House of Representatives -- many with broad bipartisan support -- died in the Senate without ever having been debated or voted on because of the inability to obtain the 60 votes required by Rule XXII.
Basically, the GOP shut down the Senate's ability to govern. Something that's still happening today as McConnell refuses to bring House passed bills up for votes.
Obama’s Gallup approval rating averaged 42.6 percent during the year that spanned from January 20, 2014 --- He never would have been voted in if he could have had a third term.
"To put that dysfunction all on Obama just shows your own hatred towards the man."
Actually, as I told you I try to be truthful --- I thought and still do think Obama is an intelligent moral, good man. I voted for him the first time around. I realized quickly he was over his head. I have no reason to "hate him. He was the president and I respected him while he was in office.NOt sure why my comment would elicit your response? I provide facts, no personal opinion of the man.
I make a determination that's it's hate because you cannot credit the man with his accomplishments, such as all he achieved with jobs and the economy. And in your post here, the election for a third term was in 2016, when at the point of said election Obama's approval rating was 57% using those same Gallup polls, yet you choose to view his lower 2014 rating, just so it would fit your narrative and give you something that makes him look worse and fit your own negative view of the man. Yes, you provided a fact - but it was not a relevant fact to the time frame we were discussing.
Plus, as many of our conservative friends here say, when the economy is doing well, as it was with record job growth, a nearly tripled stock market and stability - that would have favored an incumbent. And Obama was well-liked as opposed to Clinton, he would have been someone people wanted to vote for.
I agree he was well-liked as a human being, not as a president. I don't think many would say they disliked the man himself. He seemed to be a very congenial, intelligent, moral human being. He gave wonderful speeches. I can't overlook his all-around decision making. And I would think it poor of me to "beat a dead horse". We are on to voting in a new president. I would be pleased to discuss Biden, and what you feel he could offer the country. It is well time to move on from Obama.
In my estimate, the DNC is trying to pull off once again offering up another man that appeals to the Dems emotions but has nothing to offer, as his history proves. He has been in Washington for years, and his record shows nothing of accomplishments. He certainly won't be able to give speeches as Obama did. He certainly does not appear to be as moral as Obama, or as intelligent. What can he offer America?
I was offering his job approval rating which I consider more important than likeability... Obama always had a very nice approval rating, but his job approval rating was poor... Here is a good site that offers Obamas job approval ratings.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/116479/bar … roval.aspx
I was also talking job approval rating from the same link. You just chose to view 2014, the lower parts, than the ones that would have been closer to 2016. Either you couldn't process that a re-election was in 2016, or you just wanted a negative stat to use. I think the latter.
And there you go again, discounting accomplishments. Biden was part of that economic recovery. Biden helped stop Ebola from passing through our ports of entry and borders. Biden helped make marriage equality a thing in the US. Biden helped get healthcare for those with pre-existing conditions. There are a myriad of accomplishments if you would only go looking for them instead of repeating the right-wing narratives. Do your own research instead of spewing your falsehoods.
And I listened to Biden's speech on the final day of the convention. He may not be Obama, but his vision for all Americans sure was more inspiring than Trump's for only his base.
Please note his entire time in office, the very majority of his time he had low job approval rates. Obama's recover rate was slow and flat. In my view Businesses and the streets had no confidence in him.
The Ebola virus is transmitted among humans through close and direct physical contact with infected bodily fluids, the most infectious being blood, feces, and vomit. The Ebola virus has also been detected in breast milk, urine, and semen. A very different kind of virus, and very easy to prevent. I am shocked this would even be brought up by Biden. The Obama Administration did little to nothing. They closed no air travel, they did nothing due to the virus being an easy one to contain.
"CDC Response Obama's response.
CDC activated its Emergency Operations Center in July 2014 to help coordinate technical assistance and disease control activities with partners. CDC personnel deployed to West Africa to assist with response efforts, including surveillance, contact tracing, data management, laboratory testing, and health education. CDC staff also provided support with logistics, staffing, communication, analytics, and management.
To prevent cross-border transmission, travelers leaving West Africa were screened at airports. Exit screening helped identify those at risk for EVD and prevent the spread of the disease to other countries. The United States also implemented enhanced entry screening for travelers coming from Guinea, Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Mali by routing them to designated airports better able to assess travelers for risk.
During the height of the response, CDC trained 24,655 healthcare workers in West Africa on infection prevention and control practices. In the United States, more than 6,500 people were trained during live training events throughout the response. In addition, laboratory capacity was expanded in Guinea, Liberia, and Sierra Leone with 24 laboratories able to test for Ebola virus by the end of 2015."
Total Cases (Suspected, Probable, Confirmed) Laboratory Confirmed Cases Total Deaths
Countries with Widespread Transmission
Guinea Total cases3,814 3,358 Total deaths2,544
Liberia 10,678 3,163 4,810
Sierra Leone 14,124 8,706 3,956
Italy 1 1 0
Mali 8 7 6
Nigeria 20 19 8
Senegal 1 1 0
Spain 1 1 0
United Kingdom 1 1 0
United States 4* 4 1
total death from all nations... 11,325
https://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/history/2 … index.html
He flip-flopped on his support for gay marriage. Which I believe a person can change their views over time. However, I don't consider that an accomplishment only his view on a controversial subject. Biden had nothing to do with legalizing same-sex marriage. That would be The Supreme Court" last I read.
"On June 26, 2015, the U.S. Supreme Court struck down all state bans on same-sex marriage, legalized it in all fifty states, and required states to honor out-of-state same-sex marriage licenses in the case Obergefell v. Hodges."
You may want to check out his reputation while in Congress. He did nothing much but sometimes warm a seat. Facts show he did very little, and you might be surprised to see what he supported, and did not support.
You can certainly try and change the narrative, but you quoted a 2014 stat for a 2016 conversation. But I'll bite at it and note Trump's Gallup poll numbers have been the same as Obama's, meaning Trump hasn't really improved anything about how people view the job the president is doing.
I'll concede that Ebola transmission is different than Covid, you've got a good point there. The rest of what you stated was more in support of my case. Obama and Biden sent the CDC out to combat the virus. They acted before it even reached us. Trump dismantled many of what made our response so successful.
Biden in 2012 came out in support of marriage equality. Yes, it took three more years for the Supreme Court to rule on a case, but having top politicians backing the passage of laws to further the cause certainly helped.
As for Congress, he chaired many committees and sponsored or co-sponsored over 4,000 bills in 40 years. Not exactly the seat warmer you claim, but that's not surprising given your track record for diminishing anything that doesn't fit your narratives.
Yes, Obama and Trump's job approval polls are very much the same. This would seem to be odd due to the stats of jobs created, and unemployment numbers. But it is clear the stats for job approval are much the same between the two presidents. really does make one stop and wonder why?
Trump not only trusted the CDC but he trusted WHO to inform him in the very beginning of the outbreak in China, but he quickly realized they both did not see how virulent the virus was. Dates prove this on both given web sites. Trump did react by stopping air travel from China early on, his mistake was to poorly handle the American's that returned to the country after it was apparent the virus spread very easily between humans. I was out of the country, spending winter in Mexico. I chose not to return right away. I heard of the jammed airports and saw this was going to be a problem. By the time I returned the country was in lockdown, and we were brought in to an empty airport, and customs were quick to process us and we were told to quarantine for 14 days.
I have checked out many of the bills he offered, and or supported.
Bills he enacted--- https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/ … cted_ex=on
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/member … den/300008
I found "most of his bills" nonrelevant, in light of what we as American's were in need of being solved while Biden was in Congress. Realize this is just my view, my perspective.
Last of all here is an article that is non-bias that provides information on Biden's time in Washington.
There you go again leading with stats that favor Obama and Biden. Both were better than Trump with the exception of manufacturing jobs. I'm not sure how many times I need to point out that Obama/Biden dropped the unemployment rate from a high of 10% to January of 2017 when Trump took office at 4.2%. Trump, over 3.5 years, lowered it another .7% only at its best to 3.5%, but his handling of the virus has it back at 10.2%.
Trump removed vital resources from China in 2018, then ignored the initial briefings about the virus in the middle of January while he golfed. I'll concede that the CDC and WHO were a step behind as well based on what China was telling them. Trump's message has too often been the wrong one about actions we need to be taking to get this pandemic under control.
The really sad thing for Trump is that if he had been able to set aside his narcissism and listen to the experts, America likely would have given him credit for handling this crisis and re-elected him. As it is, his inhibiting of the recovery has slowed the economy down and just hurt his chances. A majority of America no longer trusts him to handle the crisis, one tied so closely to the economy.
It is well documented Trump has broken every economic record there is. The economy rebound under Obama only came after Trump was elected. At best Obama had a mediocre economy, with zero wage growth. Plus Biden had nothing to do with the economy as VP. We are at odds with regard to the economy under Obama. Wages have gone up under Trump, as well as the job numbers prior to the pandemic. In my view, they are returning quickly, and we most likely will see this in the next job numbers.on Sept 4th. The market by all eans should have bottomed out during the pandemic but has shown more strong days than weak. This is due to consumer confidence, as well as big business confidence.
Many of us do not care about Trump's personality, only what he has offered the country. Which many of us are fully aware of his accomplishments due to them affecting our lives. While the Dems were dishing up all kinds of crazy conspiracies. Trump was working like a squirrel making sure he touched many American's lives and made them in some respect better. Maybe it was in the pocketbook or maybe it was building the military obtaining good speedy healthcare. Perhaps one benefited from his prison reform or a person of the Jewish faith realizing a long time dream of Jerusalem becoming the capital of Israel. And then the Israel-UAE deal. Do you realize while Dem cities burn and are having violence nightly Trump is supporting all forms of law enforcement? Then there were his tax cuts, do you think big businesses hope to see Bidin win? Do you think anyone that saw their income taxes go down, and weekly income goes up care about --- "I will bring this country together".
I could go on and on... Trump has offered so many citizens positive change, changes that in some way made their lives better. And he did it all in spite of all the crazy that was being perpetrated by the Dem's.
I would think those he has helped in some fashion would not cut off their nose to spite their face.
he just made very sure to touch many lives. sometimes in small ways, but he took the time to handle so many problems, I think the many citizens he helped will show up for him. Just my view.
And in regards to the Virus, anyone with any intelligence will realize he did his best in handling the virus. You see a virus is a funny organism the only thing that can handle a virus is a vaccine. There is no man that can harness a virus or stop it, Plus in the end, it was the Governors that made the calls on what would be done in regard to the virus. As I remember many came on Media nightly making sure the president knew he had no power to help... Ugly fact but true. However, now those same Dem Gov have pointed the finger at the president for their failures. He provided everything they asked for and more. He did a very good job on his end. I really do get tired of hearing Trump mishandled the virus. I cringe at the thought of such a poor thought process. It's not new to see media set the tone, but at this point, it is shocking to see what they can sell to some.
And the economy is well on course to coming back, quickly. Certainly quicker then most economists thought. And Job's numbers should be good now that many are losing the $600 over and above, they will return to work if they want to keep their jobs if not, someone else will get it. The Dems just figured they could tank the economy a bit worse than it was. Just another failed scam on their part.
I trust him completely to continue to work for all of us.
Isn't it ironic that, once again, if Biden is elected, it will be a Democrat bailing out the country from a disaster created by a Republican. Much like Obama moved the country out of the disaster created by the Bush administration, Biden will have to extract the country from the disaster created by the Trump administration.
In my opinion, the two don't have any remote correlation. Bush did not have a world pandemic at his doorstep. And the economy is coming back nicely, far better than economists predicted. Trump had the best economy in history, and hopefully, it will return. I have no faith in a man that has done nothing in his 35 years in Washington and now appears to have problems with dementia. This is just my view. I really can't conceive of how anyone could vote for a candidate that has not campaigned or even has a clear agenda. To each their own... I mean I would have thought the Dems would have learned by Hillary's same mistake, she campaigned very little. They just don't seem to realize the old playbook is just that,
old. No one responds to their tried and what they feel true methods any longer. In my view, I think they have kept the Hillary faithful, just due to they hated being beaten. The ratings on the convention were poor, this is telling.
I am not going to bash Biden, I think it sad that he is being taken advantage of by his party.
Trump had the best economy in history is such a ridiculous claim. His job growth numbers were less than Obama. His GDP never got above 4% while Obama had multiple quarters above 5%. Obama got the unemployment rate most of the way to 4.2%.
Only those who do no research are unaware of Biden policies and agenda. And by keeping the focus on what a failure Trump has said and done in terms of containing Covid 19, that's been a successful campaign strategy. Trump is doing enough for Biden to be elected. That latest lie that Biden hates God is just illustrating how Trump clearly lies for his own ends.
It is very interesting
that you believe Trump's job growth numbers are less than Obama's.
that Trump's handling of the pandemic in this country is a fail.
that you believe Biden loves God.
that Trump never got the country's GDP above 4%.
Trump continually says that, “the U.S. is experiencing the best economy ever.” This is obvious gaslighting since the new results show that President Trump’s best year of job growth was 2.314 million in 2018 (the first year of the tax cut) but it falls short of any of Obama’s last three years.
Over the 12 quarters Trump has been President only four of them have had GDP growth over 3% and six of the quarter’s growth was 2.3% or lower. And for the past three quarters GDP growth has been 2.0%, 2.1% and 2.1%, respectively.
As for Biden, we could easily compare who has attended church more often, him or Trump. But I already know who would come out on top in that comparison.
Pesky facts that are all out there if you'd actually stop regurgitating right wing claims and do the research.
What right wing claims have I regurgitated? or "you" did not mean me?
The one that we keep hearing about this being the best economy ever. I just gave you all kinds of stats that showed that's not even close.
You are very concerned with being gaslighted.
It never feels good does it?
I can assure you I have researched Biden. I guess it just comes down to what one calls accomplishments. "keeping the focus on how trump handled COVID is a weak strategy. People can see what the president had done, he is visibly daily answering questions, and keeping the country updated on what is being done. In my view it makes Biden look very foolish... Biden should be running on his accolades, his policies. He appears to be doing nothing but spurring on hate. He comes off very incenser, he is a poor actor...
The Dem's just don't seem to get it. The people want this kind of petty crap to stop... As I said Trump has worked diligently to help all kinds of American's, to solve their problems big and small. You may not have recognized it, but I did. I followed his every move as close as I could. He is a doer, not a man that sits and bides his days. In my view, He showed Washington for all its ugliness corruptness, and they are beaten, right into the ground.
I'll put my trust in human nature when kindness is done, even if small it is as a rule remembered, it's noted. Trump has been kind to so many...
People can see that he is daily contradicting the medical experts, undermining the Governors, and rushing to reopen the country before its ready to meet his own needs and not the needs of Americans. All that before prescribing dangerous treatments that will eventually cause people to distrust the actual vaccine when it arrives.
And there's nothing petty about 175,000 dead Americans. One party still cares about protecting lives over the economy and Biden is campaigning to that concern for our fellow citizens.
And that had to be the funniest thing you've ever said. That your people want petty crap to stop. Coming from the candidate that throws around childish nicknames for his opponents and lies about the smallest things - like Biden hates God and will hurt the Bible. Seriously? Manage your own petty candidate then come talk to the rest of us about conduct.
We disagree in regards to Trump's handling of the Virus. My degrees are in science. I have some education in the study of viruses. And viruses are science as two and two are four --- an unknown virus can not be controlled or handled by anything but a vaccine or medication to fight the devil... Trump had done a very good job handling a virus that we still know little about.
Yes, Trump's personality is far different than any other politician we have known for decades. He is transparent, he gives a straight-up opinion. It's your problem if you can't accept his way of communicating or his opinions. The media makes much of what he said and regurgitates it to the weak-minded, those that eat twisted context up with vigor. That's not me... I like the full content of an interview so I can use my thought process to decipher an opinion.
CURIOUS --- " Manage your own petty candidate then come talk to the rest of the US about conduct."
The US gives you away. Not sure any of your us's ar still here. So many users have been banned. I made no reference to anyone conduct in the comment you are responding to.
"Come talk to us..." you're new here or are you? The "Us" once again gives you away. Guess you feel you can still speak for others? --- Laughable, plus the same old hang-up, constantly bringing up Obama, comparing Obama to Trump --- Blah Blah Blah. Obama has gone off into the sunset, maybe time to realize that.
You're trying hard to be argumentive, no bit here.
It's not even remotely well documented. Mediocre? Is that what you call job growth every month of an 8-year presidency?
What's well documented is that Trump is the beneficiary of Obama's economy.
And now, Trump, with his treasonous, disgusting, half-assed response to the pandemic, has destroyed it all. Not only has he destroyed the economy, he's put more American lives at unnecessary risk than any President ever.
As his own sister notes: he's cruel.
He did the best he could? Saying the pandemic would "go away" over and over again? Promoting unproven "cures"? Making fun of mask wearing? Providing zero leadership?
I guess it is what it is.
I did, seems like he is in fully possession of his faculties to me.
You're saying Trump is cooperating with Russia. You say our current president wouldn't mind if Russia takes over America. This is what I mean by "non-sensical delusions."
Exactly this was proven in the recent Intelligence Committee Report. Trump's campaign coordinated (specifically, Paul Manafort) with a Russian intelligence officer to manipulate our elections. Go read the report. How is that non-sensical?
Obviously, Trump doesn't want Russia to take over. However, his cooperation with them is certainly leading in that direction. He's expressed is admiration for Putin, a man who assassinates his political opponents. Anyone who loved Democracy and America should be scared by this.
Here's a piece from the Washington Examiner, about as right-wing a publication as you get:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opin … oax-claims
Here's a brief snippet:
"In sum, repeat after me: The investigation into Russian perfidy was not a hoax. There was no hoax. There was no hoax. Trump fans need to get this through their heads."
So despite all the conspiracy theories flying around in here, this was indeed a legit threat.
And how many times have we seen this, and not only from one side....
The only way for Trump to turn it around is for his campaign and its cheerleaders in the right-wing media to deploy a strategy based on the fallacy of composition — which is the act of claiming that something is true of a whole because it is true of a part (even a very tiny part). We see this all the time on the right when a muckraking website like Campus Reform highlights an extreme left-wing statement by a professor and uses it to describe American universities as a whole as uniformly Marxist, even though the overwhelming majority of the country’s thousands of faculty members are not Marxists.
This is exactly what Trump did in a Saturday tweet when he asserted that “the Democrats took the word GOD out of the Pledge of Allegiance at the Democrat National Convention.” In fact, every recitation of the Pledge during the primetime segments of the DNC included the “under God” line. This line was left out during just two individual caucus meetings out of more than a dozen at the DNC.
So beware, Democrats: Any politically unpopular, stupid, ill-advised, extreme, over-the-top statement or act by anyone who can be described as a member of the party will be attributed to all members of the party — very much including those at the top of the ticket. And this will be true even when Biden distances himself from the statement or act, as he has consistently done with the call of some activists to “Defund the Police.” If one Democrat says it, Trump will pretend all Democrats think it. If they deny it, the disavowal will be treated as evidence of deceit.
Because such flagrant dishonesty may be the only way for Trump to prevail on Nov. 3.
"...the act of claiming that something is true of a whole because it is true of a part (even a very tiny part)."
Fascinating. The DNC sometimes took the word "God" out of our pledge, Trump said they did just that, and you claim that his statement indicated that they did it EVERY time. You changed his wording to indicate something that he did not say, then took him to task for saying what he did not.
How is that really much different than "the act of claiming that something is true of a whole because it is true of a part (even a very tiny part)."?
I didn't change his wording...his wording was able to be interpreted in a way that was all inclusive because he failed to mention that it only happened a minority of the time. And by labeling this as all Democrats, he's clearly giving a false narrative that all Democrats would be for this action. That, in itself, is grimy as hell.
Yes, you could "interpret" his language to something it was not, which is exactly what you did. I repeat: how is that any different than what you complained about?
Pretty grimy, but rather expected from the left wingers - I see it every day in social media.
Glad you can admit that you just made up that I changed his wording. It's a start to identifying how you fabricate things in your arguments.
If something is worded towards the worst, without mentioning the best, pretty sure the interpretation was to be a negative. As always, you see Trump in a shining light of positivity. That's your right and nothing anyone will say will change that about you.
Oh, you didn't change the wording, just the meaning of the words when you went from they said the pledge without "God" to they always said the pledge that way. Something Trump did NOT say; just your "interpretation" that mention they did it meant they always did it.
Not much difference from what you complained Trump did, is it?
Could his words mean all? Was that me changing the meaning or was it written in a way that could be interpreted in such a way. I argue it was meant to be interpreted that way just as Trump lied earlier in the week and said Biden would 'hurt God.'
And you keep asking the same question, but I see an interpretation of something vaguely written as a different point entirely than Trump trying to paint the worst of a group to its entirety.
Caucus meetings are a well-known part of any convention. Trump was correct in his tweet. Not sure why any given group of American citizens felt they had the right to remove any given word form our " Pledge of Allegiance ". I would assume you feel this is acceptable? This to me shows a lack of respect for our founders. If someone feels the pledge due to religious beliefs in some respect disrespected their own religion, they should not have recited it at all. Sort of the same as some feel they want to take a knee, just do what your conscience tells you. But, to change words... in my view a step too far.
The left media has once again reported Trump's very words but directly omitted that Caucus meetings are a big part of any convention. Knit-picking his words out of context. This is one reason the media dangerous, they seek to keep a steady uninterrupted stream of hate flowing. Context is so important.
How can this show a lack of respect to the founders when the phrase 'under God' wasn't even added to the pledge until 1954? Bellamy's original Pledge read: I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Nice fake outrage though. Bravo.
And there are plenty of other people that believe that the phrase 'under God' in the pledge forces people of different religions to acknowledge a God they may not worship. Plenty of people have argued for the removal of this and to go back to the original pledge that did not have it.
You got me on that one...I note you did not respond to the fact that Trump was correct in his tweet in regard to the words being left out in I believe two Caucus meetings? That's what we were really discussing. The context in which Trump's words were meant.
yes, it is evident there are citizens that hope to remove the words Under God. Which is their right.
Trump's statement did not mention that it was only the two caucus meetings. He left out very important details about which two caucus meetings or the other majority which did include the phrase.
Recently, he's made this open lie about a devout Biden: "Hurt the Bible. Hurt God. He’s against God." That's a direct quote. This pledge claim is right on par with these lies.
Here's a question...which candidate do you believe is the more devout person? You seem to be fine defending Trump's claim about removing 'under God,' but let's ask the hard question. Which candidate would you believe to be more devout?
1. How do you know Biden loves God?
2. What IS the country's GDP under Trump's presidency?
3. How Did this president fail in handling the CV19 Pandemic?
A. What could he have done better?
4. What ARE the country's job growth numbers?
So are you trying to say that people who attend church and pray don't love God? Seems odd to ask for proof of another person's love of God. Just as it's dumb to claim that someone as devout as Biden would hurt the Bible.
And I could write a book on Trump's failures to contain this pandemic. But I doubt you're really looking for my point of view as you've already formed your own opinion that completely contradicts anything I would write. So I won't waste my time.
#3. Here you go:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar … us/608647/
Here are some answers to your other questions:
https://markets.businessinsider.com/new … 028833119#
The answer for 3. A? Unless you are a bot or someone operating in some cubicle in China, which I suspect ...
I found this article an interesting read...
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/ … ion-400039
Excerpt from the article.....
"The party is so obsessed with fighting that it has lost sight of what it’s fighting for."
Ever since Obama assumed the Presidency, this has been the definition for GOP, with McConnell taking the role of Dr. No.
So this failure to cooperate and compromise began with them.
So, how many GOP politicians will join the Q continuum, advocating nonsense while substantive objectives are ignored?
Well damn, Cred. I just responded to that same link—before I saw your comment.
Surprise, surprise, look at the first quote I included. ;-)
GA, what a coincidence but if I had to synopsisize the article to one sentence, that would be it.
And there we part ways. If I had to pick one defining thought on this topic, it would be my second quote:
" We cannot save this country,” the elder Gaetz declared, “with politicians who have no principles.”
This is how I see both parties and most politicians. For me, two prime examples would be Kamala Harris and Lindsey Graham.
Look how Kamala spoke about Biden and how Graham spoke about Trump, then, and look how they speak about them now.
Mine is a completely non-partisan thought Cred. Both parties have abandoned principles and integrity for partisan, (and personal), gain.
I liked the primaries Harris, I highly distrust the ticket Harris. And that is even worse than my perception of Graham. I always knew he was a politician's politician, so I never expected more from him. But I am disappointed by Harris.
I can remember when George HW Bush criticized Ronald Reagan's economic ideas as "voodoo economics", but guess who became Reagan's VP running mate?
There has always been a certain amount of gladhanding in politics. It is so extreme now where pandering for votes is more important than platforms and taking a stand for principle and policy positions.
But, I am forced to return from the dance with those that brought me.
I did not care for Biden's play on identity politics as manner of screening his VP selection.
Kamela' background may not appeal to progressives, but to slight her for doing her job as a prosecutor is not fair. Many of us saw her as "attack dog" whose leash could break at any time. On one hand, Conservatives say that she is a radical leftist, but on the other hand appeal to progressives saying that as a prosecutor for Alameda County, she was cruel.
Attack from any all directions.
I am not enthusiastic about the current Democratic ticket crafted primarily to maximize voter turnout with the only real principle being expediency. It is an error to think that superficial gestures can move mountains There is the risk that a pandering, superficial approach could prove to backfire, leaving us with Donald Trump for another 4 years.
In these times, moderation is akin to left over bacon grease. The Republicans, within the last few years have operated by opening with the hard Right stance first. Who can find a moderate Republican? The intensity is where the GOP has an advantage unless my side can generate the same energy and, unfortunately, assume some of the GOP tactics.
My point about Harris had nothing to do with her days as a prosecutor, but everything to do with her insincerity.
Perhaps her response when questioned about her attacks on Biden during the debates can illustrate my point; She laughed and said, "It was a debate! It was a d-e-b-a-t-e!" leaving me with the perception that she was saying that the truth or your integrity don't matter in a debate, you say whatever you need to win.
Isn't that the same as saying you believe what you believe based on its benefit to you? Hell, if that busing issue comes up in the campaign she will probably defend Biden. Geesh.
In essence, she is willing to say whatever needs to be said, take whatever position is most expedient, and do whatever needs to be done...
Her moral compass points in whatever direction leads her to more power.
Am I close to comprehending the point you are trying to make?
Well hell, in spite of your chosen screen name, (I think it was a too cute choice that drastically hinders any thought of credibility—a poor choice), I read your link.
It was a lengthy read that, other than the more vicious anti-Trump jabs, I found a lot I would agree with.
Two quotes grabbed nods of approval:
"The party is so obsessed with fighting that it has lost sight of what it’s fighting for."
"“We cannot save this country,” the elder Gaetz declared, “with politicians who have no principles.”
Thanks for the link.
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