The Fomenter in Chief strikes again?

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  1. Credence2 profile image81
    Credence2posted 11 months ago

    So much for the idea of Natoinal Socialism (NAZI) being tied to liberals and progressive causes.

    Our President is a catalyst for the resurgence of Germany's darkest period.

    Have a look at this NYT article, what manner of international Right winged beasts are we providing sustenance?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/07/worl … right.html

    Is this the man that everybody is saying that I should support?

    1. GA Anderson profile image91
      GA Andersonposted 11 months agoin reply to this

      "Why" should be the first questions asked. Of course, extremists and fanatics will act extremely and fanatically, but maybe this thought by one of the analysts in your article might point to a root explanation:

      "Trump, he added, “is the guy fighting the liberal-democratic establishment."

      GA

      1. Credence2 profile image81
        Credence2posted 11 months agoin reply to this

        I shudder to think what the opposite of liberal-democratic would be as the Governments of Western Europe fall into that category.

        So, why is Trump the mascot and poster boy for the ugliest right wing movements in Germany? And it does not stop there.

        A Righty is naturally anti tolerant and anti democratic, so is that really what you would call a benefit for these relatively harmonious and peaceful societies?.

        1. GA Anderson profile image91
          GA Andersonposted 11 months agoin reply to this

          To answer your questions in order:

          1. His mouth

          2. Nope

          GA

    2. Sharlee01 profile image84
      Sharlee01posted 11 months agoin reply to this

      "Is this the man that everybody is saying that I should support?"

      You have the same choice as us all. A man that is currently president that has been doing a pretty good job. Or a guy that is staying in a basement. I am not trying to be comical. We are all out living our lives with distancing and masks. It is very clear this man will not campaign or they won't let him campaign. He is flip-flopping all over the place, and none of us really know what is his truth. I won't even go into his far-left agenda. I don't need too. He won't come out of his basement for God's sake.

      Did you ever imagine we would be given a candidate to consider for the President that just won't campaign? Start there, and then start looking at his mess of an agenda. Words, promises that make no real sense.

      I actually can honestly say if I had two candidates Hillary and Joe, and had to choose --- I would vote for Hillary. 

      Your first problem is THE NEW YORK TIMES. The second is a guy that won't come out of his basement.

      1. Credence2 profile image81
        Credence2posted 11 months agoin reply to this

        "A man that is currently president that has been doing a pretty good job."
        ------
        Well, Sharlee, that is a matter of opinion, the voters will hopefully sort that out this fall.

        Wow, I don't think his instincts and agenda go far left enough. He is a moderate from where I stand.

        He is picking his campaign energy as a necessary prerequisite for winning this election.

        The choice between Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden is tough as both of them are Wall Streeters from way back, so I have the same problem with both of them. But, I would prefer either one over Trump.

        I think that if you did a little looking you will find the that there have been circumstances where Steve Bannon, Trump syncophant, has been stirring up right wing oriented organizations' support in Britain and across the European continent.

        1. Sharlee01 profile image84
          Sharlee01posted 11 months agoin reply to this

          "I think that if you did a little looking you will find the that there have been circumstances where Steve Bannon, Trump syncophant, has been stirring up right wing oriented organizations' support in Britain and across the European continent."

          I see you got the memo... lol
          The Dems making an attempt to blame right-wing groups for the Violence in the Dem cities. I would find that odd due to the rioters left demands and making every attempt to burn Fed buildings. Yeah. Maybe they were rightwingers posing in as Antifa?  Don't you ever get tired of keeping up with the Dems crazy ploys? Come on. The Dems are A day late and a buck short once again with this one.

          I can't comment on if president Trump has benefited your life, he has mine. More than satisfied.

          And Joe is what? "He is picking his campaign energy".  I have to say this is a good one...

          1. IslandBites profile image91
            IslandBitesposted 11 months agoin reply to this

            The Dems making an attempt to blame right-wing groups for the Violence in the Dem cities. I would find that odd due to the rioters left demands and making every attempt to burn Fed buildings. Yeah. Maybe they were rightwingers posing in as Antifa?  Don't you ever get tired of keeping up with the Dems crazy ploys? Come on. The Dems are A day late and a buck short once again with this one.

            Umbrella Man: Minneapolis police link suspect to white supremacists

            Police in Minneapolis say a man known as "Umbrella Man", seen damaging property in the city during the Black Lives Matter protests, has links to white supremacy groups.

            Police claim that the man's actions were a catalyst for the violence. The AutoZone store he was seen damaging in the video was later set on fire.

            Erika Christensen, Minneapolis police investigator, said in a search warrant affidavit filed on Monday: "This was the first fire that set off a string of fires and looting throughout the precinct and the rest of the city."

            An investigation found that the man was also connected to the Aryan Cowboys, a prison biker / street gang. The Anti-Defamation League identifies them as a white supremacist group based primarily in Kentucky and Minnesota.

            It is also alleged that the man was involved in an incident last month in which a Muslim woman was confronted by a motorcycle group wearing Aryan Cowboy leather vests.


            Three men connected to 'boogaloo' movement tried to provoke violence at protests, feds say

            Federal prosecutors in Las Vegas have charged three men alleged to be members of the far-right extremist "Boogaloo" movement with multiple state and federal violations of conspiracy to cause destruction during protests in Las Vegas, as well as possession of Molotov cocktails.

            On May 27, Loomis and Parshall along with the informant, went on a hike where they are alleged to have "discussed causing an incident to incite chaos and possibly a riot, in response to the death of a suspect (referring to George Floyd) in police custody in Minneapolis, MN."

            The plan was for Parshall and Loomis to "firebomb" a power substation to distract law enforcement so they could carry out their plan to incite a riot, the documents say. The plan was ultimately dropped in favor of a new plan, and the trio, along with the informant, planned to take Molotov cocktails to a Black Lives Matter protest, instead, according to the complaint.

            "They wanted to use the momentum of the George Floyd death in police custody in the City of Minneapolis to hopefully stir enough confusion and excitement, that others see the two explosions and police presence and begin to riot in the streets out of anger," the documents say.

            NBC News reported last weekend that members of the "Boogaloo" movement were seen at protests in states including Minnesota and Texas, as well as in Philadelphia.

            Militia members face gun charges, alleged to have come to Kenosha 'to pick people off'

            A pair of Missouri residents connected to a militia group traveled to Kenosha, Wis., amid demonstrations over the police shooting of Jacob Blake "to loot and possibly 'pick people off,'" according to a federal criminal complaint.

            Michael Karmo, 40, and Cody Smith, 33, both of Hartville, Mo., were arrested Tuesday at a hotel in Kenosha County on federal charges of illegal possession of firearms. Both men are barred from possessing firearms because of past criminal convictions.

            During a search of their hotel room, authorities recovered body armor, tactical gear, a homemade silencer, an AR-15 rifle, a Mossberg 500 AB 12-Gauge shotgun, two handguns, a drone, a knife and ammunition, among other items.

            The pair arrived in the city Tuesday to participate in a rally to support President Trump, who toured the city and met with local officials.

            They also wanted to see proof of rioting in the city and "see what Kenosha was like at night," the complaint said. The tipster told authorities Karmo and Smith wanted to "to loot and possibly 'pick people off.'" “Karmo told (him) he was going to Kenosha with the intention of possibly using the firearms on people," the complaint said, referring to a witness.

            1. Sharlee01 profile image84
              Sharlee01posted 10 months agoin reply to this

              Lots of "alleged',  connected to" in regards to "umbrella man". Seems no one actually provides a name, a face.

              When you come up with the name of the Umbrella man. post it. Otherwise, this is all just media opinion.
              https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/28/us/umbre … index.html

              Jay Danielson a member of  Patriot Prayer was murdered by well-known ANTIFA  Michael Forest Reinoehl on a Portland street.

              https://www.reuters.com/article/us-glob … SKBN25Q06S
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFjUE07k0FQ
              https://nypost.com/2020/09/05/antifa-sh … im-photos/

              It is obvious there are right-wing people showing up at these Left-wing protests.

              NAMES MATTER... So does thought process, mine tells me the groups that are causing the riots are far-left extremists. 

              Very obvious we disagree.

              1. IslandBites profile image91
                IslandBitesposted 10 months agoin reply to this

                Not media, police. And you obviously ignored the other reports. Maybe because those have names? And they proved how silly is the "Democtrats crazy plots" argument. I guess.

                1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                  Sharlee01posted 10 months agoin reply to this

                  Like I said I have a completely different opinion on the riots. You seem to ignore  "Jay Danielson a member of  Patriot Prayer was murdered by well-known ANTIFA  Michael Forest Reinoehl on a Portland street."

                  Two dead, both had names, both traced to the groups they represented.

                  1. Valeant profile image88
                    Valeantposted 10 months agoin reply to this

                    Federal Officer David Patrick Underwood, killed by Steven Carillo of the Trump supporting Boogaloo Boys.

                    Joseph Rosenbaum, 36, and Anthony Huber, 26 killed by 17-year old Kyle Rittenhouse.  While details of the shootings fit self-defense, it was illegal for Rittenhouse to be carrying the weapon he was at his age.  Rittenhouse was front row at a Trump rally in January.

                    Michael Karmo, 40, and Cody Smith, 33 were arrested outside Kenosha. Smith claimed they attended a rally for President Donald Trump "outside of a high school in Kenosha."  Karmo and Smith were both prohibited from possessing firearms because of prior arrests — Karmo with multiple felony convictions and Smith with a misdemeanor domestic abuse case.   Karmo and Smith were headed to Kenosha with intentions to loot and there was also mention of "picking people off."

                  2. IslandBites profile image91
                    IslandBitesposted 10 months agoin reply to this

                    It is not about opinons, it is about facts, which the police, not the media,  established. I did not ignored it. Never claimed it didnt happened. Which you did with white supremacists. That was the Credence's statement that you mocked. But you're welcome to deflect all you want.

                2. Sharlee01 profile image84
                  Sharlee01posted 10 months agoin reply to this

                  As I said we disagree on the riots and who has spurred them on. I see you ignored these facts.

                  Jay Danielson a member of  Patriot Prayer was murdered by well-known ANTIFA  Michael Forest Reinoehl on a Portland street. I think youtube should make your skin crawl. How the far left celebrated a man being murdered due to being a Trump supporter.

    3. CHRIS57 profile image60
      CHRIS57posted 11 months agoin reply to this

      Please keep in mind that the political compass in Germany and Europe is different from the US.

      I am not very concerned about right and far right movements in G. A couple of 1000, not very organised. It took 3 police officers to protect the "Reichstag" from this childish rush up the stairs. That was not an organised attack.
      When our kids were small, we could take a side entrance and not the stairs to visit the building :-).

      Imfo the so called far right in Germany are very similar in thinking to the Trump supporters in the US. So, the NYT headline makes sense.

      What is worrying me is the reverse argument. If Trump is admired by right wingers and conspiracy followers in Europe, that what are the Trump supporters in the US? Also "far right"??   

      Again, the political compass is much more left in Europe than in the US.

      1. Credence2 profile image81
        Credence2posted 11 months agoin reply to this

        You're the man Chris. As being on the scene living in Europe, I will take seriously your assessment of this matter.

        I do know based on my conversations with Arthur of Great Britain, that the political compass is different on your side of the pond compared with here.

        So, you are saying that the rabble rousers there are overblown as to their actual threat and activity?

        If you have Germans, for example, having the same mindset as Trump supporters here does that not pose a danger for continued civility in Germany? Here in Florida, there are people in pickup trucks driving around with banner type flags with Trump 2020 on them. Does it get any more coarse than that?

        I think that Trump supporters are basically far right, all though they cannot say nor do what they would like, but Trumps speaks to their insecurities and concerns and so now they actually have a voice. So, I think your reverse argument is true.

        Who knows, by European standards, I may actually be considered a conservative.

      2. Tim Truzy info4u profile image96
        Tim Truzy info4uposted 10 months agoin reply to this

        Except the political compass is heading even more to the extreme right. (Nazism, remember?) Angela Merkel and her government disbanded a unit in the KSK, Germany's elite special forces, because they were preparing for an end-time situation in which society collapsed, known as X Day. Police officers have also been arrested. Germany sees a danger emerging from the extreme right with a politician being stabbed. We should take note and be ready for such an occurrence. But we place the offenders in jail--Germany gave the leader a slap on the wrist for possession of illegal weapons.

        1. CHRIS57 profile image60
          CHRIS57posted 10 months agoin reply to this

          It is always a matter of opinion (personal preferences) and power, political power. What i am saying is: Far right in Germany are not even close to being organised or gaining any political momentum. On the contrary, political right wing party AFD has lost approval during Corona times. This is why i am calm about the issue.

          In the US the situation is different. From European perspective, at least from my perspective, the nationalist "far right" is in office and supporters call their leader: Potus.

          1. Tim Truzy info4u profile image96
            Tim Truzy info4uposted 10 months agoin reply to this

            Nazism is not an opinion. Disbanding a unit of the KSK is not an opinion. The right wing party is small but dangerous--not a judgment call, a fact based on actions of the Merkel government and counter terrorist units in Germany.

            1. CHRIS57 profile image60
              CHRIS57posted 10 months agoin reply to this

              Again, the right wing movements in Germany are way too small and unorganised to be of any kind of danger politically.

              Just keep in mind, the compass is different in G. than in the US. There is a constant pressure on government from multiple parties to not only monitor left wing extremists, but as well right extremists. This is why administration is always emphasizing their action towards right wing extremists to suggest not to have a blind spot.

              All right wing violent crimes are done by individuals or small gangs. 

              My major concern: The US the administration is leading the right wing nationalists. The president in office would probably encourage the KSK right wingers to continue and would inhibit procecution. I am just extrapolating the past weeks response to many incidents in the US.

              The number of right wing extremist felonies in Germany is constant over the past 10 years. Also applies to the 5% fraction of violance associated felonies.

              Individual crimes are terrible and unjustifyable. But don´t make that a political monstrosity. No threat on the political stage, only a reminder for all political parties to stay away from the left or right rim.

              In G. a lot of controversal discussion about the KSK. Being part of the Bundeswehr, the KSK is only directed to operations outside of the country. But there are no operations. So the KSK troups are bored. That breeds all kind of twisted mindsets.   

              My major concern: The US administration is leading the right wing movement. The president would probably encourage KSK troups to continue and would inhibit procecution. Just extrapolating the response in past weeks on multiple incidents in the US.

        2. Ken Burgess profile image88
          Ken Burgessposted 10 months agoin reply to this

          Extremes are springing up... I don't care if you call them Nazis, Antifa, etc.

          They are the same.

          They justify violence against those that do not support (or bow to) their "cause" or their "political agendas" whatever they may be... the end result is the same... they are unhinged, and extremely dangerous.

          Calling Looting & Assaults "reparations" is extremist.

          People gathering to celebrate the death of a Trump supporter... extremists.

          Just as KKK or White Pride groups are extremists.

          What is of great concern, is that currently here in America, some extremists are not being called extremist, they are being protected by DAs and Politicians and coddled by most MSM outlets.

          That is a sign that extremism is taking hold in the body political and being supported by media propaganda.

          We could be on the road to Authoritarianism and suppression of rights and freedoms, if this continues unchecked.  Right now the death toll is around 40 that they attribute to the ongoing riots in America... its probably a hundredfold that for assaults.

          The MSM media is to one extreme or another, they are only adding fuel to the flames, and too many Governors and Mayors are playing favorites with extremist groups... there is turbulence coming in the weeks ahead.

  2. Valeant profile image88
    Valeantposted 11 months ago

    Everyone could see this coming.  Not surprising.  But it's important to note that in the related discussion to this post area at the bottom, the 'Psychic Octopus Strikes Again' link was displayed.  Hard to beat that.

    Also, I'm starting a pool to determine how long until I get banned again.  Let me know your guesses.  They can be in days, or hours, knowing my inflammatory history of posts.

    1. IslandBites profile image91
      IslandBitesposted 11 months agoin reply to this

      How long you were banned? yikes Do you know why?

      Btw, welcome back!

      1. Valeant profile image88
        Valeantposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        I'm a professional bickerer from what they told me.  Gave me a three month ban.

        1. IslandBites profile image91
          IslandBitesposted 11 months agoin reply to this

          Pft. Wtf is that excuse? Im glad you're back.

          1. Valeant profile image88
            Valeantposted 11 months agoin reply to this

            I can lose my patience at times.  I'm sure I said something that deserved a banning.  And wasn't my first offense, I'm a serial bickerer aside from being a professional.

        2. GA Anderson profile image91
          GA Andersonposted 11 months agoin reply to this

          It is good to see you back. Apparently PrettyPanther was also a "professional bickerer." Geesh, maybe we should all order some HP choir robes from the moderator(s)?

          Relative to the Big Picture, I am beginning to think the writing is on the wall; The few participants of this forum no longer matter to HP and it, (this forum), will only be tolerated as another vanilla choir room. Hence my robes suggestion.

          GA

        3. gmwilliams profile image85
          gmwilliamsposted 10 months agoin reply to this

          You are kidding.  You aren't a bickerer at all.  You were missed.

          1. Valeant profile image88
            Valeantposted 10 months agoin reply to this

            Thanks...but I can admit I cross lines at times.

    2. Credence2 profile image81
      Credence2posted 11 months agoin reply to this

      Valeant, nice to have you back. You have been sorely missed. Can't afford to lose you again.

      I hope the Panther can also return soon.

 
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