Could Texas Lawsuit Overturn Presidential Election?

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  1. Readmikenow profile image97
    Readmikenowposted 5 weeks ago

    Texas Files Multi-State Election Lawsuit, Ensuring That Fraud Is Heard By SCOTUS Now

    On Monday, just before midnight, the State of Texas filed a lawsuit that is far more important than all of the others surrounding the presidential election of November 3rd.

    Texas brought a suit against four states that did something they cannot do: they violated the U.S. Constitution in their conduct of the presidential election. And this violation occurred regardless of the amount of election fraud that may have resulted. The four defendant states are Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin.

    https://conservativedailypost.com/texas … cotus-now/

    1. Sharlee01 profile image85
      Sharlee01posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      Not sure, but I am sure it will work to get some of the evidence into a court to be considered. And we also will see how these states rushed to get through voting rule changes that well appeared to increase fraud.  I think it would be wonderful if this all ends up in the Supreme Court. I think it is also wonderful that Ted Cruz has stepped up to head up the case in Penn. if it reaches the SC. He is brilliant...

    2. DoubleScorpion profile image80
      DoubleScorpionposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      Not sure about the Overturning Part....

      But, it may invalidate the electoral votes from those states, which would lead to no candidate reaching the 270 threshold...and pushing things to Congress doing a contingent vote.

    3. Ken Burgess profile image91
      Ken Burgessposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      The effort is being backed by 17 or 18 states last I heard.

      Against the four states that violated Constitutional law and changed their elections against the will of their legislative bodies.

      It just so happens that those 4 states are states that Trump was said to be winning at one point, especially PA and GA, and then those very changes made to the election process allowed for him to lose those states.

  2. Credence2 profile image82
    Credence2posted 5 weeks ago

    These continued attacks on our fair and free election system are beyond meritless, beyond reckless -- they are a scheme by the President of the United States and some in the Republican party to disregard the will of the people-- and name their own victors. https://t.co/RZsznlMTsJ

    - AG Josh Shapiro (@PAAttorneyGen) December 8, 2020
    And Wisconsin Attorney General Josh Kaul (D) tweeted, "I feel sorry for Texans that their tax dollars are being wasted on such a genuinely embarrassing lawsuit. Texas is as likely to change the outcome of the Ice Bowl as it is to overturn the will of Wisconsin voters in the 2020 presidential election."


    You folks never give up in the attempt to subvert democracy just so that your candidate can be coronated. We will continue to resist with all energy as you must be made to fail in this endeavor.

    Better hurry, though, Time is running out

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurk … n-lawsuit/

    1. Readmikenow profile image97
      Readmikenowposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      We know time is running out.  We are hurrying.

      I would respond that it is against the rule of law to elect a president using fraudulent votes.  That decreases faith in the voting system and worse.  You can't have half the population of a country believing the voting system is rigged for the Democrat party.  The rule of law must prevail.

      “The Texas suit is clear, and it presents a compelling case. The four offending states each violated the U.S. Constitution in two ways.

      First, they violated the Electors Clause of Article II of the Constitution when executive or judicial officials in the states changed the rules of the election without going through the state legislatures. The Electors Clause requires that each State “shall appoint” its presidential electors “in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct.”

      The second constitutional violation occurred when individual counties in each of the four states changed the way that they would receive, evaluate, or treat the ballots. Twenty years ago, in the landmark case of Bush v. Gore, the Supreme Court held that it violated the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment when one Florida county treated ballots one way, and another Florida county treated ballots a different way. Voters had the constitutional right to have their ballots treated equally from county to county. ”

      1. Credence2 profile image82
        Credence2posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

        "You can't have half the population of a country believing the voting system is rigged for the Democrat party.  The rule of law must prevail."
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        And what about the other half of the country that says otherwise, Mike?

        They represent the majority of the electorate, are we to ignore them?

        Texas does not have any standing to propose such a suit attacking the electoral processes of other states.

        Your 2 points are well stated. Did the violation in your point one occur for all 5-6 states in the swing catagory? But outside Trump's loss, GOP candidates did well, you will have to prove in the environment of the Coronavirus that the change of procedures,at least one permitted by the state Supreme Court, represented irrefutable harm to Trump's candidacy and would be of a magnitude to change the total outcome of the election. I will pull up a ringside seat for that show.

        The question is not about irregularities, but magnitude. To disenfranchise the will of 80 million voters compared to 72 million will not set well with the rest of us. So prepare for a grueling conflict and for the sake of your side, it had better be good.

        1. wilderness profile image97
          wildernessposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

          "They represent the majority of the electorate, are we to ignore them?"

          The majority of the electorate or the majority of the votes?  That would seem to be the question, as a great number of those votes are being reported as illegal for one reason or another. 

          Does it make those illegal votes legitimate because your chosen candidate won with them?  Not to me.

          "you will have to prove in the environment of the Coronavirus that the change of procedures,at least one permitted by the state Supreme Court, represented irrefutable harm to Trump's candidacy and would be of a magnitude to change the total outcome of the election."

          Now this is just plain untrue.  The Constitution, setting the requirements for the EC does not mention Coronavirus.  Nor does it say that illegal activities can only be challenged if the would change the election.

          Finally, no, it IS about irregularities.  Liberals have claimed for years that only Conservatives attempt any kind of fraudulent voting activity; it coming to the front that the primary offenders are liberals.  Who would have thought, after all those years of declaring the opposite?

          I would have to say that for the sake of YOUR "side" your defense of the events had better be good.  It is YOUR party that stands to quietly disappear into the mists of time if even half of the accusations being made are true.

          1. Credence2 profile image82
            Credence2posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

            Oh really? We will just see, in the time remaining, who will prevail.

            You can continue to speculate until the cows come home, but better prove it in court and do it fast.....

            Like I told you before, Wilderness, for your side and its outlandish claims, its checkmate.

            1. wilderness profile image97
              wildernessposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

              There is little doubt that the socialist faction in the country (that's the liberals) will prevail.  Right now, the balance of power is very much on their side, what with the vast media support.

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            Marisa Writesposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

            I must admit, I haven't been following the detail of the lawsuits, but from what I've seen, the accusations seem to related to thousands of votes, or even tens of thousands of votes in some cases. 

            I dont doubt there was some election fraud (probably on both sides, to be fair) - but if you add all the lawsuits up, how many fraudulent votes are we talking about, over the whole country?  Is it really enough to change the result?

            1. wilderness profile image97
              wildernessposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

              This is a major problem for sure.  But I take the view that although 10,000 votes might be found, say in Pennsylvania) that were wrong that does NOT mean that is all there is.  It would take many months and a great deal of effort to check that EVERY ballot was legal AND counted correctly.  I don't have a clue what the law says about that - it would be impossible in the necessary time frame to do all the research needed.

              But if you find that an illegal procedure was used that's another kettle of fish entirely.  Then, it seems to me, that the residents of Pennsylvania forfeit their right to vote because of the illegal procedure. 

              A very thorny issue, seems to me, and the cries that all the lawsuits are bogus and should be thrown out (because we all know there is no fraud in American elections! sad) is ridiculous.

        2. Readmikenow profile image97
          Readmikenowposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

          I think your numbers are off because so much of the Biden vote was based on fraudulent votes.  I think is significantly less.  I believe much of Biden's support is an illusion. 

          The lawsuit is not about proving illegal voting.  It's about states violating the constitution.  You can't have 46 states follow the constitution and 4 believe it doesn't apply to them.

          According to a friend who is a lawyer, if the Texas lawsuit (Missouri has joined Texas) is successful, the electoral votes from these states will be invalidated.  President Donald Trump will then serve another four years.

          The faith in the election system is at stake.

        3. GA Anderson profile image92
          GA Andersonposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

          If you will let me jump in, your closing point seems an important one.

          "The question is not about irregularities, but magnitude. To disenfranchise the will of 80 million voters compared to 72 million will not set well with the rest of us."

          Why is the question not about irregularities? Your point seems to say that if enough people will be upset, or appeased, by the judging of those irregularities, then they, (the irregularities), really don't matter. Is that a fair assessment of your comment?

          I have the luxury of addressing this point without enough information to judge the validity of the claimed "irregularities," but I don't think I need that information to question your perspective.

          You speak of "magnitude." Is it your contention that a little wrong is okay as long as it doesn't change what you want, but if that "little" wrong does change the game then it is wrong to judge it?

          Also, if this process does bring legitimacy to the election process, how is that disenfranchising 80 million voters? It sounds like you are saying it doesn't matter if the election process changes were legit or not because they yielded the result you desired. Does that shoe fit both feet?

          GA

          1. Credence2 profile image82
            Credence2posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

            Jump in any time....

            Irregularities does not mean systemic voter fraud that is identified over several states. There cannot be expected a perfect election process with over a 150 million people going to the polls.

            There is always going to be a little wrong as part of the very scope of the election process. The question is: does the GOP claim of systemic fraud over several states have merit, and does it rise in magnitude to levels where millions of votes are to be discarded as a remedy. That, as of now, has yet to be proven. This amounts to much more than a "little wrong".

            What I am saying is that the integrity of the system is the most important, but that the Republicans are playing partisan politics and their claims remain unfounded. I insist on irrefutable Proof, period.

            Your last paragraph reminds me more of the Republican position, and you want to talk to me about kumbaya in Washington?

            1. GA Anderson profile image92
              GA Andersonposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

              I am not sure how my last paragraph left you with a "Republican" impression, I just thought it to be a claim of right is right and wrong is wrong.

              Otherwise, I agree with your comment up to that point. The integrity of the election process is what is most important—regardless of which side of the fence you are viewing it from.

              GA

  3. Readmikenow profile image97
    Readmikenowposted 5 weeks ago

    The Texas lawsuit is gaining momentum.

    Missouri joins ‘fight’ alongside Texas to challenge election before Supreme Constitutional scholar discusses Texas claiming four battleground states violated Constitution with election management.

    Eric Schmitt, the attorney general from Missouri, announced on Twitter late Tuesday that his state is “in the fight” after Texas announced its election challenge that would invalidate the 62 Electoral College votes from four battleground states and award President Trump with a second term.

    “Election integrity is central to our republic,” Schmitt, a Republican, tweeted. “And I will defend it at every turn. As I have in other cases—I will help lead the effort in support of Texas’ #SCOTUS filing today. Missouri is in the fight.”

    https://usa.timesofnews.com/breaking-ne … court.html

  4. Readmikenow profile image97
    Readmikenowposted 5 weeks ago

    BIG NEWS

    The Supreme Court has agreed to hear the Texas Lawsuit against Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin

    This will determine the election.

    "It is being reported that a Texas lawsuit against Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin regarding alleged voter irregularities has been officially taken up (docketed) by the Supreme Court of the United States. This means it has been docketed, and we will report further on the progression of this case.

    This gives no sense of what type of decisions they will make on the case but it is a huge deal in a sense because they are indeed actually taking it seriously."

    https://mediarightnews.com/supreme-cour … y-lawsuit/

    1. Sharlee01 profile image85
      Sharlee01posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      I must say I will be very disappointed if Trump's allegations are not heard by the SC.  These allegations are serious, and these whistleblowers need to be heard. Otherwise, our voting system will remain useless to honest citizens.

    2. PrettyPanther profile image84
      PrettyPantherposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      "The Supreme Court has agreed to hear the Texas Lawsuit against Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin."

      I do not think that is an accurate statement.

      1. Readmikenow profile image97
        Readmikenowposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

        How is it inaccurate?  The case has been put on the Supreme Court's docket.  They will be hearing the case.

        1. PrettyPanther profile image84
          PrettyPantherposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

          I cannot find a single additional news report  saying the SC has agreed to hear the case.

          1. wilderness profile image97
            wildernessposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

            Neither can I.  I also note that the link to MediaRight said that "It is being reported" that SCOTUS will hear the case; I have to wonder is "reporting" that tidbit and what they are using as a source.

            1. PrettyPanther profile image84
              PrettyPantherposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

              Yes, that is why I think it is probably not true. From what I have read, it seems doubtful that the Supreme Court will hear the case.

              1. wilderness profile image97
                wildernessposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                From my (extremely limited) understanding, they almost have to as it is required when states sue each other.  Could be very wrong there, however.

                1. Readmikenow profile image97
                  Readmikenowposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                  I think the law is that the SCOTUS does not HAVE to hear any case.  I think there is probably pressure to hear this one because it involves several states.

            2. Sharlee01 profile image85
              Sharlee01posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

              I have not found any reports that claim the case has been taken either.

  5. emge profile image79
    emgeposted 5 weeks ago

    Do you honestly feel Trump has a chance in the SC?  To my mind it's all over bar the shouting.

  6. Readmikenow profile image97
    Readmikenowposted 5 weeks ago

    Okay...I asked someone I know and they clarified the situation.

    The SCOTUS did not deny the Texas case outright.  So, there is a good chance they will hear it.  ALSO, they asked for the states to respond to the Texas lawsuit, this is also a strong indication they will take the case. 

    So, once the states respond is when the case will or will not be officially put on the SCOTUS docket.

    "SCOTUS issues *deadline* to Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin & Georgia to respond to Texas lawsuit charging states with violating the U.S. Constitution with unlawful state elections."

    https://ussanews.com/News1/2020/12/09/s … s-lawsuit/

  7. Credence2 profile image82
    Credence2posted 5 weeks ago

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) -The U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday handed a defeat to Republicans seeking to throw out up to 2.5 million mail-in ballots in Pennsylvania as they try to undo President Donald Trump's election loss, with the justices refusing to block the state from formalizing President-elect Joe Biden's victory there.

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    After this, what chance is there that the Supreme Court will take seriously any related claims from Texas regarding this matter? Is it now a potential 20 electoral votes that are now off of the table?

    1. wilderness profile image97
      wildernessposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      Do they have a choice?  It is not an individual, it is a state suing another state.  Not sure SCOTUS can reject the claim outright.

      1. PrettyPanther profile image84
        PrettyPantherposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

        From what I have read, they can refuse to hear it if they choose.

        1. Readmikenow profile image97
          Readmikenowposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

          You are absolutely right.  SCOTUS is not required to hear any case. 

          With an AG from one of the largest states and 17 AGs from other states supporting this...I think the pressure is on for them to hear the case.

          BUT...you are right.  They don't have to take the case.

          1. PrettyPanther profile image84
            PrettyPantherposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

            I'm confident that if there is a legitimate reason for them to hear it, they will. I actually hope they will so we can put this issue to bed once and for all.

            While a refusal to hear the case is also putting the issue to bed, I have a feeling hard-core Trumpers would not see it that way.

            1. wilderness profile image97
              wildernessposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

              You're probably right - when 1/3 of the states of the union formally request that SCOTUS examine the constitutionality of actions, and they refuse to do so, it would not set well with those "Trumpers".  Of course, it should not set well with anyone else either, but given that it might produce a loss of the WH I don't expect the Trump haters to care about something so mundane as the Constitution and the law.

              1. PrettyPanther profile image84
                PrettyPantherposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                You would not trust the ruling of a predominantly conservative Supreme Court?

                1. wilderness profile image97
                  wildernessposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                  While it is important to you to have a politically biased Supreme Court, I don't find it to be advantageous to the country.  I see the current SCOTUS to issue judgements primarily based on the Constitution rather than personal beliefs and agendas.  Opinions such as Bader/Ginsburg's on ObamaCare are dwindling and that is a good thing.

                  Which means that if they refuse to hear a Constitution question, after being requested to by over a third of the states compromising this union, it means they are NOT fulfilling their job description.  No, I would not be pleased, whether you label the individuals as conservative or something else.

                  1. PrettyPanther profile image84
                    PrettyPantherposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                    Sigh....when have I ever said I prefer a politically biased Supreme Court? I don't. Sheesh.

                    So your answer is "no."

    2. Readmikenow profile image97
      Readmikenowposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      Cred, they didn't refuse to hear this case because of its merits.  They didn't hear it because the lawsuit wasn't filed in a timely manner.  They provided no ruling on the merits of the case.

      1. Credence2 profile image82
        Credence2posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

        Well, Mike, I understand your point of view, here is mine as expressed by, I confess, a progressive oriented website, but an article that well expands on a view held by much of the Black community and the progressive left in general.

        https://www.salon.com/2020/12/09/trump- … nt-a-coup/

        1. Readmikenow profile image97
          Readmikenowposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

          Cred,

          There is a lot wrong with this article.  First, there is no attempt to identify the reason's Republicans believe this and to provide an alternate view.  It simply states opinions and backs up those opinions.  This is extremely unbalanced and just an opinion.

          I don't think this is a view held by Black conservatives.  I believe progressives would have this opinion.

          1. Credence2 profile image82
            Credence2posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

            Black conservatives? The tally of the amount of votes given to Biden over Trump in the Black Community would seem to indicate that there are not a great many of those.

            Opinion? Yes, it is just a different opinion from your own.

            1. wilderness profile image97
              wildernessposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

              It's interesting that your link gives the (strong) indication that progressives feel that ignoring and violating election laws is fine...as long as the desired result is achieved.  That IS what the SCOTUS request is about - violating the Constitution and state laws in order to find more voters casting ballots for the liberal candidate.  It is a telling point, at least in my eyes.

              1. Credence2 profile image82
                Credence2posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                It is a telling point before my eyes as well, Wilderness

                1.  Neither Texas nor any combination of states have any legal right  to challenge the electoral processes of other states, it all reeks of dirty right wing partisanship.

                2. All 4 states in question were satisfied with their processes. Georgia, controlled by Republicans and after several recounts, says their numbers were accurate.

                3. At stake are hundred of thousands of votes cast by those that were following the instructions of their respective states as to how to cast their ballots. Could the Supreme Court be expected to trash all of these votes and voters so that your precious clown can claim victory?

                4. It would be foolish for the court to get involved in partisan politics just to favor a loser candidate and his insane supporters. And it WILL NOT STAND

                I'll bet you that the Supreme Court will fundamentally dismiss the entire suit.

                1. Readmikenow profile image97
                  Readmikenowposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                  "Neither Texas nor any combination of states have any legal right  to challenge the electoral processes of other states, it all reeks of dirty right wing partisanship."

                  Actually, this isn't true.  They do have a right to challenge the four states following the constitution as 46 other states have followed.  There is now 17 states with Texas joining the lawsuit.  They have a legal right because its the actions of these four states that have impacted the presidential election.

                  It's the inability of these four states to follow the Constitution that has led to such significant voter fraud.

                  1. Credence2 profile image82
                    Credence2posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                    We will see.....

                2. wilderness profile image97
                  wildernessposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                  1.  That is flatly untrue.  Should those practices violate the Constitution, or even the applicable state law, other states have not only the right but the obligation to challenge it.  Our voting must remain inviolate, not subject to arbitrary changes by bureaucrats.

                  2.  That they were "satisfied" does NOT mean they were legal.  That's kind of the point, after all.

                  3.  True.  Thousands stand a chance, however small, of being disenfranchised.  And whose fault is that?  Those that illegally changed the rules midstream or those that require legal elections?  My vote is the latter - what's yours? 

                  They may dismiss.  Or not - those many states trying to protect constitutional law are pretty telling.

                  1. Credence2 profile image82
                    Credence2posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                    "1.  That is flatly untrue.  Should those practices violate the Constitution, or even the applicable state law, other states have not only the right but the obligation to challenge it.  Our voting must remain inviolate, not subject to arbitrary changes by bureaucrats.,
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                    That has yet to be proven that that stupid claims by Texas and the pathetic red state regions are in fact as they allege. Lets see if the Supreme Court finds violations of Constitutional law to the magnitude of just giving the Presidency to Trump as a remedy?

                    If Trump gets his way, these other voters WILL be disenfranchised, and that is going to be trouble in River City for the Republicans. So, what is your answer, just dismiss urban voters and give the Presidency to Trump by fiat?

                    You know that it is strange that more than the 4 states listed in the suit made COVID-19 related adjustments to their election procedures.

                    What was it about Texas allowing motor voting in Harris County (Houston)? Funny the only states that have been singled out are swing states that Trump needed  for victory. How crass and obvious a ploy is this? Do you not think that the Supreme Court won't take this into consideration?

                    I think that Trump, Texas and its accomplises are "dead in the water".

                3. GA Anderson profile image92
                  GA Andersonposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                  ". It would be foolish for the court to get involved in partisan politics just to favor a loser candidate and his insane supporters. And it WILL NOT STAND"

                  You may be right Cred. However, given the exact same circumstances, but with the parties reversed, would you feel the same about this process? If the states' changed election processes favored Pres. Trump, would you still hold to your same justifications of their validity?

                  GA

                  1. PrettyPanther profile image84
                    PrettyPantherposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                    How is it that any state's election process favored Biden over Trump?

                  2. Credence2 profile image82
                    Credence2posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                    Yes, I would feel the same. If I had every law suit put forth by my side dismissed by the courts at all levels and through the sheer number of suits and variety of judicial forums, I could eliminate the possibility of partisan bias, I would have to stand down.

                    Why would anyone talk about Electoral processes favoring one candidate or another? It seems like suppressing votes is a pastime Republicans readily engage in? Everybody should have the opportunity to cast a ballot and we should be encouraging more participation in the process not less. It is only Republicans and the Right that fear more access to the ballot by more registered voters, I wonder why that is? I think that I already know.

  8. Readmikenow profile image97
    Readmikenowposted 5 weeks ago

    The Texas case is gaining momentum.  17 AGs from other states have joined the lawsuit.  It is getting big enough the Supreme Court will have to rule on it.

    "Today 17 states filed an amicus brief in support of the Texas lawsuit.

    The seventeen states include Missouri, Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Indiana, Kansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, and West Virginia.

    As noted in the supportive filing: “The States have a strong interest in preserving the proper roles of state legislatures in the administration of federal elections, and thus safeguarding the individual liberty of their citizens.”

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/20 … n-lawsuit/

  9. abwilliams profile image63
    abwilliamsposted 5 weeks ago

    Oh gosh Ken, I'm trying to remain optimistic and ready/willing to fight for this Republic of ours and you are pointing out what does seem to be the obvious, but I can't give up and accept it! Over half of this country can't and won't, we will have secession before that happens. I don't know anyone that wants that, but what other alternatives are there?

    1. PrettyPanther profile image84
      PrettyPantherposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      I wouldn't lose hope over Ken's sweeping statemdents, made without any substance or proof. He stops by occasionally to wax poetic about powerful forces (unseen to us ordinary folks who lack vision , of course) that are controlling us behind the scenes. Proof? What's that?

    2. Ken Burgess profile image91
      Ken Burgessposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      So long as order can be maintained and society still function the legitimacy of the election and what individual states want, will be irrelevant.

      The bulk of people in America just want to live their lives in peace, so long as enough stability can be maintained during this time of transition (America's transition as well as transition from Trump to Biden). You should not expect any 'civil war' or even serious 'unrest'.

      Many may wish they had done something well after the change, but by then of course it is too late.

      Understand there is no power behind Trump, the money, the International bodies and foreign nations like China, and even most of our government (DC) want him out.

      1. Credence2 profile image82
        Credence2posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

        No civil war, the big money changers can never permit America and the image that it represents to become tarnished, it is bad for business

        The spigot can never be allowed to run dry even though the heavens may fall.

    3. Credence2 profile image82
      Credence2posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      So, this is what Democracy looks like, AB?

      What about the other half, are you folks the only ones entitled to have your way? Rubbish, I won't hear of it.

      The Right and Republicans don't get their way, so the miserable red states want to secede, but with the looks of some of them, I wouldn't miss them.

      We did not speak about such things during Trump's Reign of Terror.

      1. Sharlee01 profile image85
        Sharlee01posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

        I would not miss the Dem states.  in fact I would be delighted if they would secede. This seems so simple, how do we get it done?  LOL

        1. Credence2 profile image82
          Credence2posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

          I was being facetious, America is beautiful from one coast to the other. I just know that politically, I can't reasonably expect to reside comfortably anywhere.

      2. abwilliams profile image63
        abwilliamsposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

        Well Cred, when I speak of over half of this Nation, that would include Dems and Independents, not just Republicans and Conservatives. I believe lovers of the U S come from all parties, I don't believe for one second that ALL Dems hate America or approve of these fraudulent, sellout measures taken, used against the people, in order to have more control over the people.

        1. Credence2 profile image82
          Credence2posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

          We all love America, it is just that we have a different ways to express it. No we don't approve of fraud and cheating, when it is proven to be such. It could be that we don't approve of fraud and cheating as part of process of claiming fraud and cheating in the election.

          1. Ken Burgess profile image91
            Ken Burgessposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

            With the advent of computers tabulating the votes without any paper trail, the majority of States today are compromised and open to fraud.

            The addition of allowing for mail in ballots without any oversight when those ballots are tallied after Election Day (as occurred in places like PA) also ads to the opportunity for fraud.

            That said, there is a transition occurring in the world, much of it has to do with technology, and much also has to do with China becoming the dominant economic engine in the world, surpassing America... and within a decade I believe India will as well.

            Both those nations have populations far in excess of America.  Both those nations have far greater ability to manufacture at an affordable price.

            I have given links before to what is planned, in short we are to fade into the background on the International stage and become a lesser economic force in the world, while at the same time being incorporated into a North America (Mexico, Canada & the US)(NAFTA) akin to the EU.

            In general we will be a poorer nation and as in most European nations people will get by with less, the nation will become more socialized and multi-cultural.

            1. Credence2 profile image82
              Credence2posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

              When I visited Europe, Ken, people as a rule are generally less wasteful, not so much as they felt deprived.

              Are you associating a more socialized and multicultural America with its decline? Quite frankly, I see no solution to the changes being brought to international scene. China is taking it place on the world scene without boasting about its nuclear arsenals and without firing a shot.

              So, how do you stop the sun from rising in the morning?

              1. Ken Burgess profile image91
                Ken Burgessposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                I am not really taking any stance on these issues as to whether they are right or wrong... largely because as you noted you can't "stop the sun from rising in the morning".

                The advancement of Solar Power and Electric Vehicles, in the way that Tesla is advancing them, means that the oil industry and Internal Combustion Engine making car companies will be displaced.

                The Rise of China as the world's leading economic force means that America will have a diminished role and a diminished economy, as will it's citizens (and then compounding the matter will be India).

                There is an effort to move away from the Dollar as the World's Reserve, to move away from physical money, to move away from a world with Borders.

                It doesn't matter whether I think these things are right or wrong, they are occurring. 

                Trump has set his policies and his efforts against these things, he has tried to strengthen borders, Nationalism, the oil and coal industries, he has backed away from International efforts made by the UN, WHO, WB, and treatise like the Paris Accord agreement.

                Along with his trade battles with China, Germany, Mexico, etc. it all but ensured he would be a one term president.

  10. profile image0
    Marisa Writesposted 5 weeks ago

    It's also true that there are large numbers of Democrats - the majority, I suspect - who don't believe there was any significant voter fraud, and that it's the Republicans who are making up false allegations and shameless lies in order to hang onto power.

    And Republican supporters can't say, "But the Republican Party would never stoop to such disgraceful behavior",  because they are convinced that the Democrat Party is stooping to disgraceful behavior.

    One side is telling the truth, the other is lying through their teeth.  It's that simple, and neither Party has evidence to prove which is which.   All they've got is a lot of accusations, so far.

    1. abwilliams profile image63
      abwilliamsposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      I think there are corrupt, owned politicians from both sides of the aisle.

      1. profile image0
        Marisa Writesposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

        Exactly.  That's what I'm saying.  I'm seeing Republican supporters behaving as though everything their politicians says MUST be true, even though they've presented very little evidence - implying their side are all honest as the driven snow, and the Democrats are all crooks. There is endless cynicism about anything a Democrat says, but everything Trump says must be true.  That's naive.

        1. abwilliams profile image63
          abwilliamsposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

          I don't know anyone quite that gullible Marisa, but I do know that too many are ready and willing to give up our sovereignty for globalism (or much worse) and they reside on the left side of the aisle.
          I STILL trust President Trump and most Republicans over any of the llhan Omar's, the AOC's, the Nancy Pelosi's, the Chuck Schumers, the Eric Swalwell's, the Biden/Harris'........

          1. profile image0
            Marisa Writesposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

            The question is, WHY do you trust the Republicans more than those Democrats?    Do you have any solid evidence either way?

  11. PrettyPanther profile image84
    PrettyPantherposted 5 weeks ago

    Just now: The case is rejected due to lack of standing for Texas.

    Are we done now? big_smile

    1. Credence2 profile image82
      Credence2posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      Where are our champagne glasses?

      1. PrettyPanther profile image84
        PrettyPantherposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

        I'm bringing mine out when Trump is actually gone.  He will never concede and I won't be surprised if he super glues his ample @ss to the Oval Office desk chair. It'll take a crane to pull him out.

        big_smile

        1. GA Anderson profile image92
          GA Andersonposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

          Now that there is funny. I don't care who you are, that is a mental image that has to make you chuckle. If it doesn't, then you are taking life too damn seriously.

          GA

  12. abwilliams profile image63
    abwilliamsposted 5 weeks ago

    This might take an article!

    We are a Republic here in the U.S. and we have a Constitution. Both designed to keep our Government limited, in order for the best interest of the people to never be infringed upon!
    In order for the people to never become subjects.
    In order for the people to never be ruled over!
    Somewhere along the way, Dems have forgotten this...maybe they've never grasped it or understood it.
    Not all, but many elected, see it as having power. That 'power' has gone to their heads. I know that the same could be said about a few Republicans, but as a political party, they still have faith in the American people. They still believe in the RIGHT to LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. They aren't the ones who have put themselves in the position to justify just about anything! Including how to properly end the life of a baby which has survived an abortion attempt!

    Republicans still give us credit for utilizing our common sense, for having the ability to make our own way and our own decisions when it comes to us and our families.
    They understand that those rights come from God, not from Government!
    Dems, such as those mentioned and so many more Governors and Mayors, for example, are treating their citizens as subjects, denying them their constitutional rights, they are doing so, under the guise of a virus. A virus which has a nearly 100% recovery rate!! They, these so-called leaders, have cost people their lives and/or their livelihoods. A virus didn't do that, these men and women who get off on control did that! They could/would control the business-owning, hard-working, law-abiding citizen, but looked the other way and would not even stand up to the bullies and thugs, allowed to run their streets like wild animals, destroying everything in their path!
    If you saw any of this in the news over the past few months those were cities run by (or should I say rundown by) Democrats!!!

    We have always prided ourselves on our entrepreneurial spirit, it is very common to start from the ground up, own and operate our own businesses. They are always more successful when Government stays out of the way!
    Of course Dems, such as our former President, Obama, Democrat, told us that if we had businesses, we didn't build that. We get no credit from him nor any Dem for building up our businesses, working hard to make them succeed, contributing something to, not taking from, this Nation! Not all succeed in start-ups, it is trial and error, but, if at first you don't succeed, you try and then you try again....Dems don't seem to understand this. They don't seem to understand much of anything...when it comes to "we the people".

    1. Sharlee01 profile image85
      Sharlee01posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      So well put. Thank you for taking the time to write this. It's clear we Republicans need to remain a backbone to America, while others falter.

      1. abwilliams profile image63
        abwilliamsposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

        Thanks Sharlee! Amen.

  13. Readmikenow profile image97
    Readmikenowposted 5 weeks ago

    With the end of the Texas lawsuit...Biden will now become president.

    I do wonder if he actually has a mandate by the people to be their leader.

    It seems a majority of Americans believe he stole the election from President Donald Trump.  This is something that has never before happened in our country's history. 

    According to a poll from Rasmussen, many Democrats as well as Republicans believe Biden stole the election.

    "As Trump has not conceded to his Democrat opponent Joe Biden, and his legal team continues to press ahead with challenges to results in several states, a new Rasmussen poll revealed that not only do many Republicans believe the election was stolen, so do a large number of Democrats."

    https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/11/21 … mp-998438/

    1. IslandBites profile image87
      IslandBitesposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      "A majority"?

      Most voters say this year’s unprecedented level of mail-in voting was largely successful and continue to think President Trump should concede the presidential race. Republicans, however, strongly believe Democrats are likely to have stolen the election.

      The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 57% of Likely U.S. Voters think mail-in voting worked well for the most part. Thirty-nine percent (39%) disagree and say it led to unprecedented voter fraud in this election.

      Also virtually unchanged from the earlier survey are the 60% of all voters who think Trump should concede the election to Biden. Thirty-four percent (34%) disagree.

      Link

      1. Readmikenow profile image97
        Readmikenowposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

        A LARGE percentage of voters believe Senile Biden stole the election.  You can't have numbers of "very Likely" voters like this and successfully govern.

        "But an eyebrow-raising number of Democrats are also agreeing with the president’s assessment according to the poll which showed that nearly a third of them also believe the election was stolen from him.  It the numbers are almost half...there are real problems.

        Huge: “How likely is it that Democrats stole votes or destroyed pro-Trump ballots in several states to ensure that Biden would win?”

        Democrats – 30% – 20% say Very Likely (VL)
        Unaffiliated – 39% – 29% say VL
        Republicans – 75% – 61% say VL
        All Voters – 47% – 36% say VL

        — Rasmussen Reports (@Rasmussen_Poll) November 20, 2020

        1. GA Anderson profile image92
          GA Andersonposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

          Damn! I didn't even make the list. Again!

          GA :-)

      2. abwilliams profile image63
        abwilliamsposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

        Mail-in voting worked miraculously well! When you consider there's only a 0-1% rejection rate of ballots and that number has always been in the double digits in the past. How else can it be described?

  14. MG Singh profile image63
    MG Singhposted 5 weeks ago

    I think we have heard the last word on this subject. What is left ?

    1. Readmikenow profile image97
      Readmikenowposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      A detailed investigation to discover the details of the election fraud and a televised hearing before the US Congress concerning the findings as well as a final report of everything that occurred.

      1. Sharlee01 profile image85
        Sharlee01posted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

        I have closely followed this thread. And yes many good points have been shared. Lots of stats, lots of words.

        So, one thing always stands out to me in regards to alleged fraud in our election. Do we as American's dismiss over 250 American citizens' accusations of fraud? Do we only believe what we prefer to believe?

        Why in the world would so many step up and give their own firsthand experiences in the form of under oath affidavits?

        It would appear many have become very jaded or hypocritical to dismiss this huge body of whistleblowers.

        It would seem many conversations here divert back to the courts. With claims that the courts have tossed out each case due to lack of evidence. Yes, in some cases Judges have entered lack of evidence in their final judgment. However, the majority have given various opinions as to why they would not take up the given case. In actuality, these multiple cases have not made it as far as the evidentiary phase.  So, is it fair to say there is no evidence of voter fraud?

        Only a few whistleblowers have been heard in Legislative hearings. Most giving very full detailed testimony that never reached the ear of the people. Yes, bits and pieces have been carefully constructed and reported. But, much was twisted carefully and reported out of context. Full content matters, and is out there if one is concerned enough to look for it, and take the time to listen.

        I am not sure if the amount of fraud would change this election, but I can honestly say I believe fraud was committed to a larger extent than we have ever witnessed.

        1. abwilliams profile image63
          abwilliamsposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

          I agree Sharlee 100%, not a doubt in my mind or gut!

          1. Sharlee01 profile image85
            Sharlee01posted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

            Between me and you... It seems many are willing to disregard all these whistleblowers' testimonials. Very convenient is it not. All firsthand evidence... But let's dismiss their claims.

  15. Readmikenow profile image97
    Readmikenowposted 4 weeks ago

    It's a symbolic gesture with not much behind it, but I applaud these Republicans for keeping the attention on the fraud that was committed during this past presidential election.

    "Republican electors in Pennsylvania, Georgia cast votes for Trump, hoping for court victories

    While Democratic electors in Pennsylvania and Georgia cast their states' electoral votes for Joe Biden on Monday, slates of Republican electors in those states cast votes for President Trump just in case legal challenges succeed."

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/republ … -for-trump

    I think the Biden Harris Administration should be considered the "Fraudulent" White House.

  16. Readmikenow profile image97
    Readmikenowposted 4 weeks ago

    "Voting machines used in Arizona’s Maricopa County may now be subject to inspection following action by a state legislator on Monday to begin the process of seizing the machines.

    The action by Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Eddie Farnsworth came after a six-hour hearing concerning the election and the ability of Arizona residents to trust the results, according to KJZZ-FM."

    “Since shortly before the 2020 election a number of my colleagues and I have been examining potential fraud pathways and illegal actions through which our 2020 election could become tainted,” Finchem said.

    https://www.westernjournal.com/developi … p2ftAP3_ls

  17. abwilliams profile image63
    abwilliamsposted 4 weeks ago

    I stand by my comment.

    1. Credence2 profile image82
      Credence2posted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

      That is OK, I never expected to convince you. But regardless as to how you see that change and we see it from a different perspective, it's coming, all the same.

  18. abwilliams profile image63
    abwilliamsposted 4 weeks ago

    I am not sure how much more we can progress in most areas....progressives have a plan for finishing off babies that have survived abortion. How can you progress that any further, aborting them up to two years? Teen years?  God has already been kicked to the curb, how about we set up golden images to worship, many already do, not sure how diverse it is, but it is progressive.

    The only way the playing field could be any more FAIR for some, as I bid/estimate projects - future work for our employees, is for me to be taken out the equation all together! That's progressive, right?
    Hundreds of thousands of small businesses have closed down, so big corporations will have it all to themselves, one big monopoly... that's progressive, not diverse, but definitely progressive.

    1. Credence2 profile image82
      Credence2posted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

      As for the abortion issue, stick with the provisions of Roe vs Wade as I think that is a fair compromise for choice of the mother giving due regard to the child inside her. It is just that conservatives keep hacking at its provisions making that landmark ruling ever more restrictive in practice.

      How do you make a woman carry a child to term that she does not want?
      ----------
      Your God may not be my God, we all have different beliefs. There can be no religious establishment as part of a secular Government. You can worship who it is you want as long as I am not compelled to worship or give obeisance in any prescribed manner.

      ----------

      Why is it always with conservatives the attitude of a zero sum game? Ever heard of win/win? The folks that have been coming after monopolies the most tend to be liberals and progressives. The left is not responsible for the closing of small business, the fallout from the pandemic has been responsible for that.

      1. abwilliams profile image63
        abwilliamsposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

        I hope that any sexually active woman knows where babies come from. How about we start there if they don't.

        1. Sharlee01 profile image85
          Sharlee01posted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

          It would be wonderful if stat were kept on women that have abortions, how many-- on, two, five...  Let me share when caring for a woman that came in with a four-month miscarriage.  Question on admission -- how many live births? How many miscarriages?  How many abortions?   Zero live births, Zero miscarriages, three abortions --- here's where it sickened me. She asked me about the sex of the fetus. She actually knew the sex of the babies she aborted.  --- I told her, I didn't look... It was a boy.  Yes, would be wonderful if we could start there.

          1. abwilliams profile image63
            abwilliamsposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

            It's sad! I have childhood friends that used abortion as birth control and they live with regret, it has aged them so.... I pray for their peace of mind often!
            In this modern age {which is in the process of consuming us}...there's certainly no good reason to not practice safe birth control.
            Merry Christmas Sharlee!
            I am taking a little break. See you next year.

            1. Sharlee01 profile image85
              Sharlee01posted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

              Have a wonderful Christmas. Prayers coming your way...

    2. Sharlee01 profile image85
      Sharlee01posted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

      Yes, very sobering. I should say sobering to some...

  19. abwilliams profile image63
    abwilliamsposted 4 weeks ago

    There is only one God and one savior, Jesus Christ!
    The left is 100% responsible for the closing of small business...the pandemic was/is an excuse.

    1. Credence2 profile image82
      Credence2posted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

      Like, I said I already know that it is futile to express my views to those firmly entrenched on the Right.

      We will have to agree to disagree, that is what happened last November 3rd.
      --
      "There is only one God and one savior, Jesus Christ!"
      ---

      It might be strange to you, but I believe with that as well. But rather than beat people over the head with the Bible, I am a progressive that recognizes that people if they come to that conclusion must of their own volition and accord or it all means nothing.

      Since this cannot be proven in any objective way, the belief or lack of same by my neighbor is as valid as my beliefs. Conservatives can never deal with shades of gray in life very well.

      1. abwilliams profile image63
        abwilliamsposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

        I write about politics, so I definitely haven't been beating anyone over the head. It's a simple message to accept or decline!
        Merry Christmas! 
        See ya'll back here in 2021.

  20. abwilliams profile image63
    abwilliamsposted 4 weeks ago

    Do you celebrate Christmas? If so, Merry Christmas. If not, happy winter.
    I am taking a little break from HP.

    1. PrettyPanther profile image84
      PrettyPantherposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

      Enjoy your bteak, and Merry Christmas!

      1. abwilliams profile image63
        abwilliamsposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

        Thank you! Merry Christmas!

  21. Credence2 profile image82
    Credence2posted 4 weeks ago

    The same to you all, happy holidays.....

  22. Readmikenow profile image97
    Readmikenowposted 4 weeks ago

    THOUSANDS of non-citizens voted in Nevada.

    "Information obtained via subpoena by the Nevada Republican Party from the state’s Department of Motor Vehicles revealed that thousands of non-citizens not only were registered to vote, but actually cast ballots in the 2020 election.

    The fraudulent votes were cast thanks to the DMV’s registering of all those who applied for driver’s licenses. Since legal and illegal “non-citizens” can hold driver’s licenses in the state, it’s easy for them to get registered to vote if the DMV employees “do their due diligence.”

    The information obtained under a subpoena displayed green-card holders and non citizens who had obtained driver’s licenses. Based on the official data set, the Nevada GOP “compared this detailed information against the county voter records in Nevada” and “discovered that 6,260 non citizens were registered to vote and 3,987 non-citizens had voted.”


    https://thenewamerican.com/no-evidence- … -election/

    1. profile image0
      Marisa Writesposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

      It's sad really. Before this election, I think many other countries looked at the US as an advanced, highly developed nation.

      What this election has revealed, if the Republican claims are true, is that whoever designed your voting systems was totally incompetent; your elections are utterly disorganized; a large number of your electoral officials are either corrupt or inept; and your election systems lack the most basic security safeguards which are taken for granted even in less developed countries.   Needless to say, it has not done America's reputation any good at all.

      1. Readmikenow profile image97
        Readmikenowposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

        Thank you for your honesty.

        I hope more Americans read your words.

        Especially, Democrats.

        1. Credence2 profile image82
          Credence2posted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

          All of that is true only when Republicans don't win, Mike?

          1. Readmikenow profile image97
            Readmikenowposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

            "All of that is true only when Republicans don't win, Mike?"

            You'd have a difficult time proving that statement.

            Never before in the history of our country was a President accused of working with a foreign power to win an election.  The accusation proved to be false.

            Never before in the history of our country has there been such blatant fraud in a presidential election and such an extensive effort by politicians and the media to cover it up.

            Democrats need to own what they've done.  It's time they develop the courage to admit to what they've done. 

            I really believe Democrats actually have no idea what they done.

            1. crankalicious profile image93
              crankaliciousposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

              Blatant fraud?

              What this all proves is that Trump supporters will believe anything. They don't need any proof. They just believe whatever suits them.

              Meanwhile, Trump tosses out blatant falsehoods on Twitter in an effort to destroy democracy and America. His so-called "star" witnesses turn out to be drunks, registered sex-offenders, and military cyber-security experts with no actual cyber-security experience.

              Let me ask you a question. If you hired a lawyer to defend you in a sexual assault trial and he brought an expert witness on your behalf who said he was a witness to your innocence but turned out to be a circus clown, would you keep that lawyer? How would you feel about that lawyer after you were prosecuted and thrown in jail?

              The incompetence is beyond comical.

              1. Sharlee01 profile image85
                Sharlee01posted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                Col. Philip Waldron (US Army-Retired) served over 30 years as a U.S. Military Intelligence Officer specializing in cybersecurity-focused on election manipulation. Waldron is considered an expert on automated voting machines, who, as part of his training and experience, knows exactly how voting machines can be corrupted.

                Col. Waldron served the bulk of his career with the 305th Military Intelligence Battalion – a group long known in military circles as “The Kraken.”

                It would seem to be a disgusting habit to insult someone just because you can...

              2. Readmikenow profile image97
                Readmikenowposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

                No idea what you're talking about or how it applies to this situation.  Seriously...I have no idea.

        2. profile image0
          Marisa Writesposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

          But the Republicans are every bit as guilty, if not more so, from where I'm standing

          1. Readmikenow profile image97
            Readmikenowposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

            Really?  How so?  They aren't the ones who would have caused the fraud in this presidential election. 

            I have worked for more than one politician over the years during their campaigns.  Everything from a Senator to Congressman to State races and more.  I've done this in three different states.

            I can tell you this from experience...Democrats cheat at elections.  Democrats ALWAYS cheat at elections.  When a Republican runs for office they have to calculate, based on history, how sever the Democrat cheating will be and accommodate for it. 

            This is how it's been for years.

            This presidential election with the mail-in ballots was expertly designed for Democrat fraud.  This is the absolute worst I've ever seen...and I've seen a lot.

            So, looking at our elections from the outside things may seem to be one way. When you're directly involved with them, you gain an entire new perspective.

            I do appreciate your comments.

      2. Sharlee01 profile image85
        Sharlee01posted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

        Our elections have been flawed for many years, and corruption has only grown. Hopefully some good will come from all the finger-pointing Trump is doing. However, not likely. You see we do very little to fix things, we just look the other way.  You are very perceptive and hit the nail on the head.

  23. crankalicious profile image93
    crankaliciousposted 4 weeks ago

    You have zero valid evidence for any belief in election fraud.

  24. crankalicious profile image93
    crankaliciousposted 4 weeks ago

    Also, I was writing about Joshua Merritt - otherwise known as "Spyder", Sidney Powell's "secret" witness.

    1. Sharlee01 profile image85
      Sharlee01posted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

      His so-called "star" witnesses turn out to be drunks, registered sex-offenders, and military cyber-security experts with no actual cyber-security experience.

      EXPERTS --- Plural. Perhaps you could have mentioned a name. I have not in any respect been following Ms. Powell's case.

      1. crankalicious profile image93
        crankaliciousposted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

        Again, there's this thing called Google. However:

        Melissa Carone
        Joshua Merritt
        Daryl Brooks

        All "star" witnesses. Can you imagine if Trump's lawyers represented you in some case and they brought these people as expert witnesses? You'd fire those lawyers on the spot. Such incompetence is pretty embarrassing.

 
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