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   gmwilliamsposted 4 years ago

   
   Conservatives are under attack by Liberals in that their opinions are being deleted or banned by Liberal technological entities.  Many conservatives are even being silenced in other ways by Liberals because the latter are threatened by opinions which are outside the Liberal purview.   The Liberals are now becoming the new totalitarians who believe that their opinion is the right one & others are suspect.   What are your thoughts on this?   Are Liberals/Leftist creating a new totalitarianism?

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      Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      there it is.

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         abwilliamsposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         Yes without a doubt.
         They may put anti- in front of it, for modern day purposes, but the fact remains. The left is no longer hiding their goal and individual liberty is nowhere in the picture. Any one believing it is...is already brainwashed and that is half the battle!

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            Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            +1

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      Credence2posted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Conservative rights to an opinion does not extend to sacking the Capital buiding nor interfering with Government business.

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         Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         LIES. it was promoted and staged by the left, (Antifa was there pushing people into the capital building) to make Trump look bad
         - to be able to impeach him
         - to be able to get rid of the OPPOSITION

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            Credence2posted 4 years agoin reply to this

            No, not you too, more  QAnon rubbish?

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               abwilliamsposted 4 years agoin reply to this

               Keep an open mind and watch in its entirety:
               
               https://rumble.com/vcldub-january-6-202 … pened.html

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                  Credence2posted 4 years agoin reply to this

                  Interesting, but why should I accept her sole account when the official version from the FBI says otherwise as to participation from ANTIFA in the siege of the capitol.
                  
                  Those officers that offered no resistance to the entry of this mob should be fired an perhaps prosecuted for aiding and abetting.
                  
                  Why should I give this person more credibility than the overwhelming numbers of mainstream media?

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                     abwilliamsposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                     Why indeed! Why would you do that? Silly me.

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                        ScottSBatemanposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                        Maybe we can stay on the point Credence is trying to make. Is she telling the truth and the FBI lying?

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                           abwilliamsposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                           I wasn't aware that her account is different than the FBI's.

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                              ScottSBatemanposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                              I guess you didn't watch the entire video. It has BLM and Antifa accusations all over it.
                              
                              She saw some people wearing black jackets and so that automatically makes them Antifa?

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                                 abwilliamsposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                                 I did watch it in its entirety. I will ask again, is her account different than the FBI's? Did the FBI rule out ANTIFA and BLM activity?

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                                    ScottSBatemanposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                                    Again, yes. You can look it up.
                                    
                                    Even the Washington Times -- the Fox News of newspapers -- said there was no evidence.
                                    
                                    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 … apitol-ri/

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                              Valeantposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                              Wait, you mean your media sources didn't tell you the FBI stated five days ago that Antifa was not involved?  How odd (rolls eyes).
                              
                              Did Matt Gaetz tell you that the story he quoted in his speech on the floor of Congress about Antifa was retracted by the Washington Times?
                              
                              https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/cr … apitol-mob

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                                 abwilliamsposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                                 No, I had not heard that "the FBI ruled out ANTIFA, five days ago."

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            MizBejabbersposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            That is not true, that is CMA by Trump supporters. I recently saw a podcast that was an interview by a liberal podcaster who was interviewing a liberal reporter. The reporter said that he normally covers antifa, and he'd heard antifa was going to be there so he went to cover then. He said that antifa was not there, but it was interesting, so he stayed and covered the protest by Trump supporters. So even this guy was fooled.
            I would be happy to post the source, but it was taken down so fast that when I tried to download the link, it wouldn't download. These websites are removing all links to anything concerning that riot by Trump supporters because they don't want anything to do with sedition perpetrated by them.

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      Sharlee01posted 4 years agoin reply to this

      I agree they are making an attempt to ushering in totalitarianism. However, I also feel the tide will turn quickly in the next four years. America's are very versatile, but also very sensitive to keeping freedoms. It should not take long for many to wake up to the fact they have "been had".
      
      In regards to silencing the conservatives, I have never witnessed so many conservatives sit up and take notice of what the left is up to. It's up to conservatives to make sure they are heard. I realize many conservatives prefer not to mix in with anything they find distasteful, and tend to placate those with ideologies they find adverse to their own. But, at this point, it's time to step into the fray.

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      ScottSBatemanposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      True conservatives oppose social media postings that encourage violence, sedition and insurrection.
      
      Getting banned is more than appropriate.
      
      "Liberals / leftists" have nothing to do with it. It's just moral, legal and common sense.

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      Sharlee01posted 4 years agoin reply to this

      IMO it is clear the Democratic party working with media is promoting an agenda that is not what half the country is in agreement with. We very much have a severe problem, one our country has not been faced in decades.
      
      Not sure all citizens that profess to be Democrats are ready to join in to promote totalitarianism. However, it is very clear many do. I would hope American's wake up to what seems a clear fact --- the country is very divided, and IMO our Government is inciting this divide at every chance they get. And that is to include both sides of the aisle. It seems true that one side is most differently trying to silence the other, people that want to be heard. The government and the media are screaming for impeachment. I have heard not one word about why we ended up with Ameican's attacking our Capitol. I have heard lot's about a president provoking a crowd. But, why are these citizens so willing to uprise?
      
      Some will say, Trump, fed them lies. We have been being lied to by our presidents and politicians for hundreds of years. And yet some feel Trump had the power to bring many to violence. Was it Trump's words or perhaps many are done with a Government that they see as not hearing them, not seeing them? Ignoring them, disregarding them. Trump gave them a voice.
      
      So realistically, do you think these people will now give up that voice?

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         Valeantposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         You see this as a goal of authoritarianism when the goal is to actually stop further cases of domestic terrorism like we saw last week.  There are active threats of violence from the right being promoted on these sites.  Do you want more violence?  Seriously.  Stop purporting this to be something it is not.  A large group of violent people just tried to stage an armed coup at Congress.  This is currently about safety.

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            Sharlee01posted 4 years agoin reply to this

            As I have said, now multiple times.-- I have no problem with a legal impeachment.  I disagree that it is being offered as a solution to violence, but is clearly political. The Democrats in Washington IMO are inflaming a situation without the necessity to justify their actions.  The fact is we have a divided country, we do not need more fuel at this point.
            
            My comment was in response to the subject  --- Are Liberals/Leftist creating a new totalitarianism
            
            I simply used the Democrats pushing for impeachment, making an attempt to silence " the other side".  A tactic of totalitarianism.
            
            My statement --" It seems true that one side is most differently trying to silence the other, people that want to be heard. The government and the media are screaming for impeachment."
            
            In my view, this impeachment at this point is a power play. And most likely will cause more violence. This is clearly my opinion.

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            Sharlee01posted 4 years agoin reply to this

            Again I may not have been clear, my original comment was referring to is the Democratic party hoping to push totalitarianism. I was responding to the subject. Read my first post. 
            
            I have stated many times over the past few days. I do not condone any form of violence. I am a realist and feel there will be. I think the impeachment will pour fuel on a fire that is already raging.  I have kept my opinion this is a Dem political ploy. The dens could care less about anything but keeping power.  I have no respect for the party.

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years ago

   adjective: totalitarian
   relating to a system of government that is centralized and dictatorial and requires complete subservience to the state.
   "a totalitarian regime"

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years ago

   "What is the difference between totalitarianism and authoritarianism?
   Both forms of government discourage individual freedom of thought and action. Totalitarianism attempts to do this by asserting total control over the lives of its citizens, whereas authoritarianism prefers the blind submission of its citizens to authority.
   
   While totalitarian states tend to have a highly developed
   
                                        g u i d i n g   i d e o l o g y,
   
   authoritarian states usually do not.
   
   Totalitarian states suppress traditional social organizations, whereas authoritarian states will tolerate some social organizations based on traditional or special interests.
   
   Unlike totalitarian states, authoritarian states
                      lack the power to
                         m o b i l i z e
                  the entire population
             in pursuit of national goals,
   
   and any actions undertaken by the state are usually within relatively predictable limits." Internet

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years ago

   In other words:     
   
              Totalitarian states use
           their power and influence to
                     m o b i l i z e
              the entire population
         in pursuit of national goals.

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years ago

   ... where do they get their power and influence?

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years ago

   little by little promoting the lies ...
   no opposition ...

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years ago

   why no opposition?

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      Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      ... even the opposition is shut down with threats!

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         Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         ... and the opposition
         
         goes dark.
         
         
         
         crickets.

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years ago

   The tactics of totalitarianism:
   
   Eradicating common sense.
   Shutting down the truth.
   Threatening opponents.
   Surveilling the people.
   Abusing freedom of speech.
   Preventing freedom of speech.
   Allowing slander and supporting falsehoods.
   Creating illusions.
   Government agencies (such a the CIA) controlling the news.
   Draining the treasury.
   Brainwashing, infiltrating the youth ...
   and the people.

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   Valeantposted 4 years ago

   I'm amazed at the detachment from reality I read in one of the responses in this thread.
   
   And if you take the removal of further coordination of violent attacks against our country as censure, especially when the reasoning behind those attacks are based on lies to undermine our democracy, then I'm not sure you're going to get much support from anyone but the farthest of the far-right.

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      PrettyPantherposted 4 years agoin reply to this

      Yep. And then to say "dissent, of any type, is criminalized."
      
      Do they even read what they write?

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         abwilliamsposted 4 years agoin reply to this

         When you daydream about the future of this Country and of the people in it, do you see our individual liberty intact?

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            PrettyPantherposted 4 years agoin reply to this

            Of course.
            
            Can you name one person who has been jailed for mere dissent? Because that's what "criminalized" means.

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    Live to Learnposted 4 years ago

    Dissent, of any type, is being criminalized. The DNC and their cronies in media and big tech will regret their behavior and tactics. The majority of Americans do not agree with the agenda of those such as Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer. Whether we lean left or right. Once we stop following the lead of the politicians and stop being manipulated by big tech and the media; and start working together, they are history.
    
    The sooner the better.

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       Justin Earickposted 4 years agoin reply to this

       Pelosi and Schumer are conservatives. They despise leftists and have never in their lives fought Republicans as hard as they fight the left on a daily basis. Their entire job is to occupy the worker's party and keep actual leftists out of power. They work with people like McConnell (and formerly Boehner) to keep working people divided and desperate while the rich extract the wealth of the nation and world. Politics is professional wrestling: they are paid by the same people and all the outcomes are predetermined. And to screw up the metaphor, Democrats are the Washington Generals. The Republican Globe Trotters pass the ball around and dunk all over them, while Democrats pretend not to know how to play the game and inevitably lose over and over again. So a country that poll after poll show they want healthcare and secondary education included in our taxes, want a living wage, want to end prohibition, want to raise taxes on corporations and the rich... get none of those things because Democrats are paid to pretend they tried so hard but lost for the millionth time in a row

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    abwilliamsposted 4 years ago

    It was just a question to see if you have ever thought about what all of this canceling ("censuring") of conservatives will do to all of us long term.
    
    As far as who has been jailed; there's Facebook jail (for those conservative in thought) there's Twitter jail (for those conservative in thought) there's Parler jail (because they dared to MAKE ROOM for conservative thought)

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       PrettyPantherposted 4 years agoin reply to this

       It seems that you have a fundamental misunderstanding of censorship. All of those you mentioned are privately owned  companies that have the legal right to control the content allowed on their own platforms. Do you disagree with this? That is fine, but it is not censorship.
       
       I have many right-wing friends on Facebook who post their opinions daily with no problem. It's when they post proven lies and misinformation, or when they repeatedly make violent threats, that they are slapped by Facebook. And, not a single one of my friends have been banned, even the one who posted an image of a "patriot" pointing an AR-15 at the head of a young man identified as a liberal saying he is ready to shoot him. He was reported for that and he received a warning and the post was removed. Seems very reasonable to me. I assume if he continues to post such ugly sentiments, he will be banned, and rightly so.
       
       The president was on national TV yesterday, stating his case. He is not censored.

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          abwilliamsposted 4 years agoin reply to this

          Also, you wrote, "they are private companies and have the right to control...allow", as of the end of the year 2020, over 100,000 companies that were shut down by government, are no longer in business! I am not sure what that number is today.
          Do these "private companies" have the same rights as Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, etc.?

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    abwilliamsposted 4 years ago

    I've seen the same, reversed, I do not participate in such things; it's not productive going forward. But, we are to the point where only one side is being called out, only one side is being censored. There is a double standard, as large and as destructive as anything imagined. You don't see it yet, but you will, in time.

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       PrettyPantherposted 4 years agoin reply to this

       I have seen posts from liberals spreading false information about vaccines be removed from Facebook.
       
       Yes, right now, more on the right are spreading false information and therefore more on the right are having their posts removed. That is a natural consequence of their own behavior. They are not victims.

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       Valeantposted 4 years agoin reply to this

       And only one side is organizing armed threats against our own government.  You seem to be in support of that by saying that these people should not be censored by private companies.

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          wildernessposted 4 years agoin reply to this

          How quickly we forget (ignore) the months of rioting over the summer.  Or do bricks, stones, arson equipment, etc. not count as being "armed"?

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             Valeantposted 4 years agoin reply to this

             Where were the posts saying that people were going to riot and loot?  Provide those, and then there's an equivalency.

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             Sharlee01posted 4 years agoin reply to this

             They don't remember the deaths either.
             
             It seems so many have the ability to uses selective thinking. I have never witnessed anything like this in my life.

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          abwilliamsposted 4 years agoin reply to this

          Really, do you know something that I don't know? Have you heard anything definitive about who scaled the walls of the Capitol Building, who broke glass in order to enter in, who assaulted police officers, who fired shots? I haven't heard anything definitive on that, please share their names and their affiliation with Donald Trump or with Conservatives. If it was in fact Donald Trump supporters that were behind this assault and committed these crimes, I'll condemn them. (but, you will have to do the same, if it turns out they're ANTIFA or BLM) I will not, however, condemn the 2mil that peacefully assembled on January 6th, 2021.
          While on the subject of Government buildings and such, let's go back to the events of summer 2020, one involving the Capitol Building in Oregon, who was a threat during this time and who was not?
          Who was a threat at the Federal Building in Atlanta over the summer and who was not?
          Who is seasoned at this type of disruption and anarchy and who is not?

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             Valeantposted 4 years agoin reply to this

             You've fallen so deep into conspiracies.
             
             Here's an initial list - good luck tying any of these arrested to Antifa.
             https://6abc.com/richard-barnett-arkans … i/9470889/
             
             Here's a deeper look into this peaceful protester drawn to the Capitol after watching some conservative media:
             https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat … 647101002/

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    abwilliamsposted 4 years ago

    Thank you. I didn't know that had wrapped it up so quickly. Amazing!

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       ScottSBatemanposted 4 years agoin reply to this

       You're welcome, AB.

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    Justin Earickposted 4 years ago

    Multi-national corporations are anything but liberal. Unless you're importing the European use of "liberal" - meaning that centrist Democrat squishes and establishment Republicans are practically identical.
    Same mistake conservatives make when referencing non-existent "liberal media." Individual people might be socially liberal when it comes to not hating gays and whatnot - but literally every person in media, and every CEO of every major corporation, are 100% economically conservative. Culture wars are a distraction. They just use Evangelicals and white identity politics to get the tax cuts and deregulation they really want, so they can extract the wealth of the nation and redistribute it upward to the wealthy

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       Kathryn L Hillposted 4 years agoin reply to this

       Multi-national corporations are not liberal.
       
       The "Liberal media" is non-existent.
       
       Everyone in the media and the CEOs of major corporations
       are economically conservative.
       
       The money from tax cuts and deregulation is channeled to the wealthy.
       
       
       So, you are saying greedy Republicans and are everywhere, even where you would least expect them.
       
       Good to know.

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    abwilliamsposted 4 years ago

    For Scott and Valeant, since you both have all of the answers on what you’ve decided is an open and shut case when it comes to what happened at the Capital on Jan, 6, 2021. How do you explain this:
    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct … si1-9aaHTC

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       Valeantposted 4 years agoin reply to this

       Apparently, your own article answered your question...
       
       Dozens of demonstrators who stormed Congress dressed in pro-Trump regalia have been arrested and charged with violent and unlawful entry to the Capitol where hundreds of lawmakers were gathered inside for a vote to confirm Joe Biden’s Electoral College victory.
       
       In one video shared on Twitter, a rioter with a bullhorn can be heard yelling: “We were invited here. We were invited by the president of the United States.”

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          Sharlee01posted 4 years agoin reply to this

          What are your thoughts on the fact that the FBI knew about what was being planed days before the riot occurred? Do you think the law enforcement agencies should have beefed up security to make an attempt to stop people from entering the Capitol? It would seem the FBI can get in line with those that dropped the ball.
          
          "But on Tuesday, The Washington Post reported on the existence of a Jan. 5 report from the FBI’s field office in Norfolk, Virginia, that forecast, in detail, the chances that extremists could commit “war” in Washington the following day. Steven D’Antuono, the assistant director in charge of the FBI’s Washington field office, said that once he received the Jan. 5 warning, the information was quickly shared with other law enforcement agencies through the joint terrorism task force."
          https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump … a1d4c00dfd

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             Valeantposted 4 years agoin reply to this

             Yeah, we have some agreement here.  FBI had intel and someone definitely dropped the ball in coordinating additional security.

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                MizBejabbersposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                They are now being accused of it being an inside job, and some Republican congressmen are being investigated for their alleged roles. Of course it's that darned ole liberal media that is reporting it.

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                Sharlee01posted 3 years agoin reply to this

                Well, it is apparent all the agencies are out in full force to protect all at the inauguration. I really hate to be thinking about what I am thinking about why few law enforcement was called upon for the Jan 6th rally/protest. IT is apparent all the agencies were notified of the treats, yet stood down.
                
                My God, what has become of our Government? Politicking with citizen's lives.

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                   PrettyPantherposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                   This happened under Trump's watch. His appointees dropped the ball. Was it simple incompetence or something else?

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                      wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                      Did he take a clue from a summer of "standing down", when every liberal in the country complained about using troops?
                      
                      Or did he take a clue from an almost complete lack of violence in similar protests, with the violence mostly limited to BLM riots?
                      
                      Or was it not Trump's call at all as to how to distribute security, troops or anything else?

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                      Sharlee01posted 3 years agoin reply to this

                      I am afraid I can't actually figure out why with all the heads-up that all law enforcement agencies had why they all were not out in numbers.  This is curious.

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                         PrettyPantherposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                         It is strange. I don't yet know what to make of it and am waiting to hear what is uncovered in the aftermath.

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                            Sharlee01posted 3 years agoin reply to this

                            This is something that needs to be looked into. I don't want to use the word investigated --- LOL   But we deserve answers on why law enforcement was not out in full force.

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    abwilliamsposted 4 years ago

    Why was there silence on the floor of the House?  You don't have all the answers, you just THINK you do.

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       Valeantposted 4 years agoin reply to this

       Because it was that speaker's time, so all other members remain silent per the rules.  You're right, I do have that answer.

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          abwilliamsposted 4 years agoin reply to this

          I am speaking of the 30 seconds he gave them to respond to his question.

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             Valeantposted 4 years agoin reply to this

             'Nonetheless, House rules do not allow for questions and answers during a debate. So Mast’s question was followed by 30 seconds of silence while his one-minute of time ticked away.'
             
             Again, still in Mast's time - see the House rules.

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                abwilliamsposted 4 years agoin reply to this

                That MUST be it, they are sticklers for the rules....lol

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