It Sounds Like It's Time to Recap Right-Wing Failures

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  1. Valeant profile image87
    Valeantposted 15 months ago

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    There seems to be a lot of right-wing partisan rage at this site in the last month.  Let's recap why there was a need for a change.

    - Covid-19 Denialism that led to an additional 450,000 dead Americans.
    - Covid Denialism that led to an added $7.8 trillion to the national debt in just four years.
    - Rise in hate crime, especially against Asian Americans linked directly to Trump's hateful rhetoric.
    - Two impeachments, multiple criminal probes being conducted.
    - An armed insurrection carried out against one of the three branches of the government in order to stop the peaceful transfer of power.

    If the right really thinks that any of the problems we are facing compares to those failures, they live in a fantasy world.  And I'm sure we're going to get one or two pointing to the border as a deflection from the epic failures of the last administration.  That's a weak issue for Biden, no doubt.  But until he has policies that leads directly to hundreds of thousands of added dead Americans, it's delusional to think we haven't improved the leadership in the Oval Office.

    https://thebulwark.com/trump-failed-and … -trumpism/
    https://www.cfr.org/article/donald-trumps-costly-legacy

    1. Sharlee01 profile image83
      Sharlee01posted 15 months agoin reply to this

      Actually, I am too busy to look back on the previous president. We have one that is pilling up disasters one after another, and drools... LOL

      So, I guess I will pass on worrying about the past, got enough to worry about with a sock puppet playing the president in the White house. "Time to get up Joe put on your little blue blazer, and get ready to practice signing your name...   Remember to put both shoes on today.

      It seems many here just can't be cured of TDS.

      1. gmwilliams profile image84
        gmwilliamsposted 15 months agoin reply to this

        +100000000000000.

      2. Valeant profile image87
        Valeantposted 15 months agoin reply to this

        Too busy?  I would say too blind.  You suddenly call the similar issues at the border that Trump faced a disaster but barely bat an eye at hundreds of thousands of dead Americans.  Makes one seriously wonder if you understand what the word disaster means.

        I guess we're on to BHS (Biden Hate Syndrome) now, judging by the eight threads you posted this week just to spew the same kind of bile you included in that post above.  And TDS (Trump Demagogue Syndrome) is alive and well if you still cling to the days where the leader of the country is responsible for hundreds of thousands of dead Americans and inspires his followers to kill police.

        1. Sharlee01 profile image83
          Sharlee01posted 15 months agoin reply to this

          There is no secret I feel Biden is senile and does not belong in office. I certainly don't hate him or feel anything for this man. Biden is a mess and will crash and burn quickly.  That is my opinion.

          And it is ridiculous to claim Trump had the same problem at the border.  The numbers are historic. Not worth arguing about.

          And on regard to COVID, I don't blame anyone but China for the virus. And I praise Trump for supplying us with speedy vaccines.

          1. Valeant profile image87
            Valeantposted 15 months agoin reply to this

            And it's no secret that I think you choose to be ignorant of his disability so that you can act the part of partisan troll.

            The numbers were also historic in 2019.  Now with Covid and a pair of hurricanes decimating Central American economies, a greater surge is not really surprising. 

            As for blaming China, not surprising with your history of questionable statements pertaining to race.

            1. My Esoteric profile image86
              My Esotericposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              Keep in mind, it is a Trump (and his supporters) personality fault that they like to make fun of people that have physical disabilities.  It makes them feel superior.

      3. My Esoteric profile image86
        My Esotericposted 13 months agoin reply to this

        Sounds like you must have a touch of BDS there since Biden has done a miraculous job of getting the country back on the right track and defeating covid.

        Let's see:

        - Lowest 1st time unemployment since the pandemic began
        - Highest GDP growth in a very long time
        - Getting back on track in leading and protecting the world from climate change
        - Rolling back all of those disastrous anti-human rights policies of the Trump administration
        - Best stock market growth, beating the pants off of Trump
        - Stopped the avalanche of scandals coming out of the Trump administration
        - Got the government back to working using real analysis rather than the faulty Trump gut.
        - Taken politics back out of the intelligence community and DOJ (won't tell the AG who to prosecute and who not to like Trump did)

        Plus a lot more AND just in a little over 100 days.

        By the way, you do know "sock puppet" refers to the Putin-Trump relationship don't you?

        1. Sharlee01 profile image83
          Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

          ???????? Not sure why you are just getting around to reply to a comment I made 7 weeks ago? However, I guess I will use the same response to this comment ---  Actually, I am too busy to look back on the previous president. We have one that is pilling up disasters one after another, and drools...

          I can see you are still stuck in the rut ruminating all that is Trump. I must say in light of the current events America is having due to poor Governing by the Biden administration you would have the nerve to post what you feel are Biden's successes. I like the one you listed  "Stopped the avalanche of scandals coming out of the Trump administration"

          Yeah that really a priority with our last unemployment numbers, and the new stats on migrants pouring in, Oh and then there are those stats on the Fenytenol that has in Joe's five-month well surpassed the numbers for 2020. And I can't forget crime at historic numbers.

          How in the world could you even post such a comment?  Your guy has crashed and burned at warp speed.
           
          I did not know sock puppet referred to Putin and Trump. I guess I used that term because I think Biden looks like a puppet. But really he looks more like a wooden-faced Marionette puppet. Something about how he moves his lips.  I stand corrected I will from here on be referring to him as a Marionette.  I find him very hard to actually watch due to his puppet-like characteristics. I am not kidding...

    2. wilderness profile image95
      wildernessposted 15 months agoin reply to this

      Your list is interesting, and is indicative of the extreme partisanship we're seeing today, wherein anyone of the opposing party is evil while your chosen party can do no wrong.

      - Covid-19 Denialism that led to an additional 450,000 dead Americans. - Rather sad that you lay those lives at the feet of "right-wingers" while our kids and the left wingers form huge groups without regard to COVID.  Those deaths cannot be laid at Trump's feet.

      - Covid Denialism that led to an added $7.8 trillion to the national debt in just four years. - Again, rather interesting as we watch left wingers use it as an excuse to add another 4T or so of debt in order to get their wish list.  We also saw it in the first stimulus package with Pelosi's suggestion as to how to fund her own wish list.

      - Rise in hate crime, especially against Asian Americans linked directly to Trump's hateful rhetoric. - This does appear to be a growing problem, but once more cannot be laid at Trump's feet, for he never encouraged it at all.  It is the result of massive stupidity of a small number of people, and that's all.

      - Two impeachments, multiple criminal probes being conducted. - This one is extremely interesting as we watched not one but two failed impeachment attempts in an effort to gain political power.  The ONLY reason for such a disgusting display was to remove a sitting president from running again and it came 100% from left wingers.  Yet here you are, again blaming the right for what the left did.

      - An armed insurrection carried out against one of the three branches of the government in order to stop the peaceful transfer of power. - You seem to want to ignore that it was never to stop the peaceful transfer of power, but to stop the stealing of an election by fraudulent means.  Not even your gross exaggeration ("insurrection") can cover that up, nor can it cover up the actual insurrections throughout the rest of the nation - insurrections demanding the removal of peacekeeping forces (police) everywhere while left wingers sat by and watched the destruction of a billion dollars of what others had built.  You want to talk insurrection, talk about the CHAZ in Seattle, talk about the nightly destructive rampages in Portland that the left not only allowed by encouraged for months.  There's a failure for you as the left sat quietly, refusing aid, and watched it happen.  Until, at least, it was the left wingers at the top of the heap that were being threatened.

      1. Valeant profile image87
        Valeantposted 15 months agoin reply to this

        When you're as deluded as the arguments that exist in this post - especially when you deny that the armed insurrection did not intend to stop the peaceful of transfer of power, we have nothing to talk about.

        1. wilderness profile image95
          wildernessposted 15 months agoin reply to this

          I said that your so-called "insurrection" was, in the minds of those rioters, not intended to stop the peaceful transfer of power, but to prevent stealing an election through illegal fraud.

          If you refuse to understand, and accept, that simple fact it is your failure, not mine or anyone else's.  That you (and I) disagree there was massive fraud does not change the intent of those people.  Just as your refusal to acknowledge that both of the failed impeachment attempts were carried out by the left, not the right, OR that they were done for purely partisan, political reasons.

          1. Valeant profile image87
            Valeantposted 15 months agoin reply to this

            Oh, so you're a mind reader now?  For a guy who always asks for evidence of things, that's a pretty interesting statement to make.

            And how were they going to stop the steal of the election?  When they attacked the Capitol, that action was to stop the process of certifying the counting electoral votes from the states that they absolutely knew was taking place at that very moment.  Your refusal to see that everyone in the country knew that was happening and that it is part of the peaceful transfer of power is a perfect example of the right's efforts to try and whitewash their sedition.

            Seditious conspiracy:  if two or more persons use force to, quote, "prevent, hinder or delay the execution of any law of the U.S. or by force, seize, take or possess any property of the U.S.   Rioters certainly used force to try to prevent, hinder or delay Congress from formalizing the Electoral College vote for Joe Biden as president. 

            As for the impeachments, both were carried out because Trump violated laws in order to try and subvert the 2020 election.  Inciting an insurrection - as both the leaders of his own party noted he had responsibility for on the floor of their chambers - is definitely not legal.  Whether they choose to enforce the laws or play politics is a separate matter where they will need to wear the shame of that decision in history.

            1. wilderness profile image95
              wildernessposted 15 months agoin reply to this

              "Seditious conspiracy:  if two or more persons use force to, quote, "prevent, hinder or delay the execution of any law of the U.S. or by force, seize, take or possess any property of the U.S."

              An excellent description of the rioters in CHAZ, isn't it?  You remember - those "insurrectionists" that took over a section of Seattle while Washington law makers sat back and watched?  But it wasn't an "insurrection" because you couldn't blame Trump for it? 

              How does that work again?  If you can change Trump's words into something bad then you can blame him, but if it is left wingers then it's OK?

              I'm sorry - we both know, and the Democrats of Congress have said, that impeachment is a purely political ploy.  In addition, neither impeachment effort was found to be valid - both were dismissed in the Senate as being without foundation.  So, just as I said, nothing but a failed political action to prevent competition in the election (sounds much like what you're accusing Trump of, right?).

              But I do agree that the Democrat party will wear the shame of that action for the rest of it's existence.

              1. Valeant profile image87
                Valeantposted 15 months agoin reply to this

                I agree you could make the argument the CHAZ organizers could be charged with a similar charge as the Capitol rioters based on the property clause.  But that does not exempt the Capitol insurrectionists of their actions in aiming to halt the electoral vote count at all - especially when they killed a policeman in doing so, something you seem intent on justifying.  Your deflection does not exonerate them in any way.

                Of course impeachment was a political ploy, it had to be since the President cannot be charged for any of his many crimes while in office.  Using political means to remove corruption is the policy of our country.  Duh.

                The fact that the GOP failed to take action on that criminality is the true stain here.

              2. My Esoteric profile image86
                My Esotericposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                "An excellent description of the rioters in CHAZ, isn't it?  " - You keep bring that up to inaccurately describe something.  Obviously you are unaware of the facts about CHAZ (now known has CHOP)

                1.  Rioters didn't create it, protesters did
                2.  The City agreed to it
                3.  This was a non-violent experiment in a police-free zone (until it wasn't)
                4.  Once violence start happening (predictably) the Mayor ordered it shut down and the police cleared it out.

                Those are the truths you keep ignoring.

                Again, FACTS MATTER and should not be twisted.  Democrats DID NOT say that impeachment was a political "ploy".  They, as well as Republicans (when they tried to railroad Clinton), said it is a purely political "process" as designed by the Constitution.  The ONLY think necessary is credible evidence that the President, or any other person subject to impeachment, have violated their Oath of Office are other Constitutional or Federal law.  And Trump did that in spades, twice. (In fact, I am hopeful Georgia and DOJ can send him to jail for criminal violation of the law, some of which he was impeached for.

                1. wilderness profile image95
                  wildernessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  Wait.  The city agreed to end police and fire protection to a certain group of city residents, their homes and businesses?  Are you sure about that, and how is it legal as those residents most certainly did NOT agree to anything of the sort?

                  As far as "protesters" rather than "rioters" creating that zone, I guess it depends on just who is talking.  When "protesters" physically prevent people from going to their homes or businesses, or from entering a public street, they have left "protesting" behind and entered the realm of "rioting".  This is not difficult to understand, and the city most emphatically does NOT have the authority to allow that.

                  Applying labels of your choice, in order to produce spin contrary to fact, does not create new "facts".

                  1. My Esoteric profile image86
                    My Esotericposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                    I know, I know, to you any protestor (unless it is someone like the Proud Boys) is a rioter.  The Proud Boys were there just for the "hugs and kisses" and to act like "regular tourists".

                    The point is, your analogy fails big time.

          2. Sharlee01 profile image83
            Sharlee01posted 15 months agoin reply to this

            The redundancy of the forum has become ridiculous.  We have so much political news, and it would seem this forum is trapped in a time warp. All Trump...  We have a hot mess for a president, all kinds of huge brewing foreign calamities, a border that is open with hundreds pouring in daily, 4 new variances of COVID,  and it's still all Trump...  Go figure.

            The Biden Administration is imploding before our eyes, and so quickly.

            1. Valeant profile image87
              Valeantposted 15 months agoin reply to this

              Just because you shut your eyes to the achievements that the Biden Administration is having in regards to the pandemic, and has begun to work towards another Trump failure - infrastructure - does not mean that the rest of us just want to come here to spew Biden hate.

              We get it, you are a Biden troll and want to keep the focus on your conspiracy theories about his mental state and the annual border surge we get when our own President isn't ignoring a deadly pandemic that kills hundreds of thousands of Americans.

              I doubt there is a thread that exists where you don't make the same claims.  You're like a broken record of Biden obsession.

            2. wilderness profile image95
              wildernessposted 15 months agoin reply to this

              "border that is open with hundreds pouring in daily"

              You exaggerate - the figure was actually 172,000 illegals that were caught (54,000 per day) plus another estimated 1,000 per day that evaded capture.  A total of over 200,000 for the month of March.  Not "hundreds" per day.

              But, according to some, that means nothing because it always goes up this time of year - true as long as you don't mention what it has been in prior years' March.

              1. Valeant profile image87
                Valeantposted 15 months agoin reply to this

                It's also means nothing when you ignore changes to policy like Title 42, which also had the unintended effect of incentivizing further migration by lessening legal penalties for migrants crossing the border.

                "So, in a way, Title 42 reduced the punishment for coming to the United States illegally, for single Mexican men especially," as contended by immigration experts from the Cato Insititute.

                The higher numbers could just as easily be attributed to repeated attempts by the same people who no longer get punished for trying to illegally cross the border, just immediately expelled due to Covid concerns and are free to try again right after.

                When you get the numbers of people caught multiple times trying to cross the border, let us know.

                1. wilderness profile image95
                  wildernessposted 15 months agoin reply to this

                  And it could be attributed to sunspots, the phase of the moon or location of Saturn in the sky.  It could be attributed to global warming or to the increasing number of EV's in the country. 

                  Or...we could look at Biden's statements that he will pass legislation to make everyone then in the country a citizen and realize that such a statement will most definitely encourage more illegal crossings. We could look at his new policy that no one from the interior will be deported and realize the same thing.  We could even look at his welcome mat for children for us to care for and support and see it a third time.

                  Of course, we'll have to set aside our hero worship of the man desperate to open our borders to do so.

            3. crankalicious profile image92
              crankaliciousposted 14 months agoin reply to this

              Trump definitely helped with vaccine development. However, what he failed to do is give any thought or care to the logistics of getting those vaccines into people's arms. Further, he fomented distrust in that very vaccine while promoting COVID denialism. Biden did exactly the thing he was elected to do which was mobilize the power of the government to put together a logistical plan that could distribute the vaccine effectively. Where are we 200 million vaccines in less than 100 days. That's a pretty good accomplishment.

              Meanwhile, we have traitors like Tucker Carlson putting people on his program every night saying the vaccine is unsafe, encouraging Republicans not to take it.

              How can a President be successful developing a vaccine while he and his supporters admonish people not to take it?

              1. Sharlee01 profile image83
                Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

                Operation warp speed lined up every one of the facilities that are putting shots in arms. Contracts were secure with each and every drug company for the millions of doses of vaccine and options to order more. Biden has done nothing at all in regards to the operation of obtaining the vaccine and getting into arms. A while back I listed the contract information with the six drug companies that the Trump Ad obtained. And it was OWS that made alliances with CVC Walgreens, Rite Aid, Meijers, Walmart, Publix, Krogers ...  major hospitals in each state. This operation was complete, and I have become tired of watching Biden out and out lie about "what he has done to get the vaccine into arms. It was all done in July and Aug of 2020 under trump's OWS. OWS stated they would start vaccinations in Jan 2021, they were early and actually started shipping in late Dec. This team did miraculous work. And Biden deserves Zero credit for their accomplishments. Each state did handle getting the vaccine to the venues at first, but OWS soon cleared up the problem by working with states that were having problems.

                I don't watch much of talk jock news. I do know America is not doing well-getting citizens out to get the injection. This is unfortunate because although the media is not reporting it the CDC announced last week we now have four new variances of the virus. It's unfortunate the media does not report this. It might encourage more to get out and get vaccinated.
                https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc … riant.html

                https://www.hhs.gov/sites/default/files … accine.pdf

                I will agree no new jock should be discouraging people from getting vaccinated. Media is just not our friend.

                1. Valeant profile image87
                  Valeantposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                  July and August?  They only started to do it in January, after they fell far short of their stated goals of vaccinating 20 million people.  By Biden's inauguration, only a few thousand of the 40,000 pharmacies across the country were able to get the vaccine.  Biden's people have since ramped up distribution to efficient levels.

                  https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/0 … ies-455284

                  As for those contracts, Trump's people moved $10 billion that Congress allocated to hospitals because of the terrible relationship they had with Congress, they could not ask them for the money directly - money which never got paid back.  So, no, Trump did not work with hospitals, he stole from them because his administration was so inept that they had zero relationship with any other branch of government.

                  https://www.statnews.com/2021/03/02/tru … arp-speed/

                  1. Sharlee01 profile image83
                    Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

                    To sum it up. All was in place for distribution in the early fall of 2020. The vaccine was ready in late Dec. By Dec 21, old Joe got his first dose... On Dec 14,  the first doses were been supplied.  20 million shots were given by Jan 21.., out of the 31 million doses that were the first shipment to become available.  These do go to frontline workers, and some of the nursing home population.  And Joe actually had to add the Dec and Jan numbers into his count to reach his goal. I should not assume that was Joe's idea... Not sure if he can add two and two.

                    I might add the majority of the people Trump put together that made up OWS are still in their positions and running the show --- Trump's guys.

                    Biden did nothing other than getting out in front of the nation and, attempt to take credit where it was not due. He is a tool.

                2. crankalicious profile image92
                  crankaliciousposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                  The Biden administration indicated that when they entered office, there was no plan whatsoever to disperse the vaccine. This is in keeping with how Trump operates - no logistical planning. That's for somebody else. No federal coordination.

                  1. Sharlee01 profile image83
                    Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

                    Facts in regard to plans to distribute Vaccine along with a COVID playbook.

                    OWS was very clear about distribution at the conference that was held on Jan 12, 2021. OWS continued to roll out and improved on getting the vaccine to the venues today...  When OWS saw the problems statewide with handling getting the vaccines to delivery sites they stepped in and within days smooth out the problem.

                    CSapn has all the speakers that attended the OWS conference. CEO from drug stores, Walmarts Meijers, krogers, and more. These venues were. the approach in Oct of 2020, and agreements made to aid in vaccine distribution.  https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2020/10/ … nwide.html

                    September 16, 2020    https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2020/09/ … ategy.html

                    https://www.hhs.gov/sites/default/files … accine.pdf

                    This is a very comprehensive plan put out by Operation Warp speed. A playbook...

                    https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/imz-manage … /COVID-19-
                    Vaccination-Program-Interim_Playbook.pdf

                    These are the facts that I derived my opinion. I have found OWS has done a wonderful job on all counts. 

                    I give the Biden Zero credit for OWS.  Biden inherited a superb program that the Trump administration built.

          3. crankalicious profile image92
            crankaliciousposted 14 months agoin reply to this

            There was no fraud, massive or otherwise. The only reason you think there was fraud is because Trump repeated that lie over and over again and got his supporters to repeat the lie. Still, there's been absolutely zero proof there was any fraud and even Trump's own lawyer said that anyone would have to be insane to believe the lies she promoted.

            Now, these same Republicans, believing in this assertion without evidence, are trying to pass voting laws across the country to make it harder for people they don't like to vote. This is the opposite of Democracy. Usually, in a Democracy, you want to encourage voting. When you stop encouraging voting, you don't have Democracy anymore.

          4. My Esoteric profile image86
            My Esotericposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            Of course "that they were done for purely partisan, political reasons." is laughable, so I laugh at it.  The facts are against you.  Why did they fail?  Now that was for "purely partisan, political reasons." plus abject fear of what Trump would do to them (look what happened to the most true conservative of them all - Liz Cheney)

            So, are you saying that because they the Trump supporters and terrorists believed Trump and acted on that belief, it was OK to attack democracy?

      2. My Esoteric profile image86
        My Esotericposted 13 months agoin reply to this

        Do you have any idea what Wilderness is talking about when he writes:

        "Rather sad that you lay those lives at the feet of "right-wingers" while our kids and the left wingers form huge groups without regard to COVID. "

        or

        " Again, rather interesting as we watch left wingers use it as an excuse to add another 4T or so of debt in order to get their wish list. "

        or

        "but once more cannot be laid at Trump's feet, for he never encouraged it at all."

        or

        " You seem to want to ignore that it was never to stop the peaceful transfer of power, but to stop the stealing of an election by fraudulent means. "

        I sure don't.  They have zero basis in reality.

        It is interesting to note that more and more REAL Republicans are telling Trump to take a hike.  35 House Republicans defied their draconian leaders and voted for the bipartisan Congressional investigation into Trump's insurrection and 7 Republican Senators (Toomy said he would have voted for it had he been there) defied McConnell's pathetic plea to stick their heads in the sand.  Given how vindictive and powerful Trump is, that took real courage that the rest left at the alter of Trump.

        Fortunately, there will be a comprehensive investigation (inspired by Republicans) either through a Select Committee or through a Special Council.

    3. Readmikenow profile image95
      Readmikenowposted 15 months agoin reply to this

      You might want to try a more unbiased new source.

      "The Bulwark is an American anti-Trump conservative news and opinion website founded in 2018 by commentators Charlie Sykes and Bill Kristol.  Its publisher is Sarah Longwell.[4] While it launched as a news aggregator, it was revamped into a news and opinion site using key digital staffers from the defunct magazine The Weekly Standard"

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bulwark_(website)


      I have trouble taking the article from the Council on Foreign Relations serious.  It's just an opinion piece and nothing more.  I can site many articles that disagree strongly with the assertions made by the CFR and Dr. Haass.

      So, both of your links don't have much substance to them.

      1. Valeant profile image87
        Valeantposted 15 months agoin reply to this

        Not to you, they don't, because you've fully bought the lies that led you to the Capitol to 'stop the steal.'  Not sure I will give much weight to the guy who believed Trump over the State, Federal and the Supreme Court, his Attorney General, GOP state Attorney Generals, GOP head of election districts, and his FBI.

        Your opinion on factual substance went out the window to me long ago.

    4. My Esoteric profile image86
      My Esotericposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      Totally agree.  The right-wing (read conservatives) have been failing America since they supported slavery in 1700s and opposed voting rights for blacks in the 1800s and opposed voting rights for women in the 1900s and, as you just said, opposed combating the pandemic in the 2000s AND oppose equal rights for minorities from the 1700s to today.

  2. Live to Learn profile image74
    Live to Learnposted 15 months ago

    I laughed so hard when I read this I feel out of my chair.

    Talk about complete denial of reality. Absolutely loved it.

    1. Sharlee01 profile image83
      Sharlee01posted 15 months agoin reply to this

      Good one!

    2. Valeant profile image87
      Valeantposted 15 months agoin reply to this

      It'd be funny if any Trump supporter actually understood what reality was.  But right now the only word to describe Trump supporters views in living in an alternate reality.

      1. Sharlee01 profile image83
        Sharlee01posted 15 months agoin reply to this

        You are so funny ---  You really can't let go of everything Trump... It's noon t Trump supporters that don't understand reality --- that would be those that ruminate on all Trump.

        Hey, we have one hot mess sitting in the White House.  Plenty to discuss, besides the twisted crap the left has come to believe.
        Biden is crashing and burning so quickly, he does not seem to know his right foot from his left.

        Trump had the border under good control. I will trust the opinions of border officials over those of MSNBC or CNN.  Good slop, but just prolonging the inevitable Biden created a huge mess with his big confused mouth. He is in over his head, sort of like Obama was when he lived in the White House.

        Like I said I hold China responsible for the virus. As thus far all indicate China is responsible for the virus.  And your race comment is ridiculous.  I do realize Dems always love to use the word  LOL

        Would seem you might realize you never come up with an individual thought that does not mimic groupthink of the left. One can almost predict your every word. No really. You just fall back on silly personal quips. You must realize or should realize how redundant these kinds of conversations have become.

        1. Valeant profile image87
          Valeantposted 15 months agoin reply to this

          Biden is reaching goals on the biggest issue still affecting the country - the pandemic - where Trump failed to reach his by a lot.  And getting major legislation done in two months that helps the American people is a huge improvement.  The same kind of legislation that it would take a Trump administration nine months to achieve.  This is what effective governing looks like and your denial about that is comical. 

          Recognizing the effectiveness of one administration in comparison to the previous one to actually run the government well is something that should be discussed.  The fact that malignant narcissism isn't inhibiting things like infrastructure now - where Biden can have productive conversations with members of Congress from the opposite party without throwing a hissy fit fifteen minutes into a meeting - are notable improvements.

          What's funny is that your denial that Covid had the border under control.  Encounters are certainly higher with the two major disasters that have struck Central America.  I guess 'by under control' that you support policies that are human rights violations to the rest of the world - like separating families or neglecting children who then die (something that did not happen under the previous administration but is somehow condoned by vile Trump supporters). 

          I will choose to stand with humanity and human rights and ask Congress to change our immigration laws to address our issues, while also criticizing Biden for changing policies that did actually work, such as the remain in Mexico policy, as I have done in multiple threads here.

          1. wilderness profile image95
            wildernessposted 15 months agoin reply to this

            Not sure that I would agree that increasing my taxes is going to "help" me.

            1. Valeant profile image87
              Valeantposted 15 months agoin reply to this

              Not sure I agree that Biden is raising your taxes.

        2. My Esoteric profile image86
          My Esotericposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          True Americans better not "let go of Trump" because he is still a clear and present danger to the democracy of America.

          1. Sharlee01 profile image83
            Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

            I would hold on to your seat, he most likely will run in 2024 or someone that will promote Trumpism. At any rate, we have many new threads that we are discussing current news. Hope you will join in on some of those threads.

            1. My Esoteric profile image86
              My Esotericposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              I think Trump will be in jail.  Ron DeSantis will have to pick up the authoritarian, anti-democratic mantle that Trump and his supporters currently wear.

              1. Sharlee01 profile image83
                Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                I realize it's without saying you feel Trump will be in jail. You have been saying that for over four years now. Seems they must be having a very hard time coming up with a crime that they can prove that could put him in jail.

                However, if Trump does not run, I will predict we have a candidate that will follow in his footsteps.

                1. Castlepaloma profile image74
                  Castlepalomaposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  Sharlee

                  Little off topic.

                  You had me thinking about wokeness. Study it lately, found it a bit Marxist like and more of leftism religion. Wondered why my daughter was always downing me as a white privileges male, wail she is half white.Then there were alot of Daddy issues. It really lacks forgiveness.

                  Her hyper sensitive and over radiate over reaction are claiming down now.

                  Thanks

                  1. Sharlee01 profile image83
                    Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                    I think this new fad, wokeness will pass quickly as most far-left ideology fads do. When they learn the fad is boring or find a new cause due to wokeness being hard to live up to. They will can it.

                    I looked up the definition of wokeness. --- a state of being aware, especially of social problems such as racism and inequality:

                    WHAT! The left has always had these very concerns. I guess they just got around after 60 years to put a label on their ideologies.

                    I do agree there is systemic racism. However, I think after so many centuries we have finally made good progress (that is pre-Trump). The Dems came down pretty hard in the past 5 years knocking back minorities making them feel like lesser human beings. This is just my opinion. I have lived a long life and watched progress be made over many decades.

                    W have tons of work to do, but we need to come together not divide until there is no coming together. The Dems are making great progress separating us by race. I see it in my own circle of friends. I have heard words from them that I never expected to hear. Racism is on the rise, and this is a shame because we had come so far.

                    Not sure why anyone would think shaming white people for being white would help systemic race problems. We are centuries removed from slavery, and I would think there is not one white person alive at this point that owns a slave or is responsible for slavery. I for one will take no punishment or guilt for crimes committed hundreds of years ago.

                    I say let's work on today's problems, it is clear we can't fix what went down hundreds of years ago. It funny I look at today's males as having the most stressors to overcome in society. Not sure how one can look at males as sex that are privileged in any respect. Throughout history, they are piled with stressors, burdens... So much is expected of them from the time they are born.

                    I think this generation needs to really consider where we came from, and where we are at today. I think we can be proud we have come so far as a society.  Yes, we have problems, most of our own making.

                2. My Esoteric profile image86
                  My Esotericposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  I have no doubt about that.  I bet it is Ron DeSantis (which means we in Florida will be rid of him).

                  1. wilderness profile image95
                    wildernessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                    The question is whether the left will again go into an orgy or denial, calling for impeachment before Ron (or anyone else) takes office and demanding years of "investigation" into Russian collusion.

                    My guess is that yes, they will.  The will of the people will not be allowed unless it carries a "D" symbol after the name.

                  2. Sharlee01 profile image83
                    Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                    It will all depend on if Trump decides to run again. If he decides not to, there will be several that will run on Trumpism.

                    I guess all will depend on what is going on in the country if more will not turn to Trumpism once again. Right now it looks as if Biden is on a very destructive path. Now, that does not mean he can't make a turn and please more of the people with a more digestible agenda.

      2. Ken Burgess profile image87
        Ken Burgessposted 14 months agoin reply to this

        You know what I find interesting, there were a lot of people who disliked Obama, for whatever reason, but soon after he was out of office all those anti-Obama folks moved on.

        Its a shame that for some people, TDS is very real, and after 4+ years of anti-Trump propaganda from media sources they pay too much attention too, they cannot move on in life.... Trump is gone, but they cannot move on.

        The only thing Trump truly accomplished is the delay in America's shift from global leader, as we now move into funding the IMF's SDRs and build up many extra trillions of dollars in debt, America will soon be diminished on the world stage, much like Britain was after WWII when the American dollar replaced the pound as the primary currency by which the world traded.

        We can only hope that this downsizing goes as well for America as it did for the UK.  as we move further along toward a One-World economy and One-World authority in place over all nations.

        1. crankalicious profile image92
          crankaliciousposted 14 months agoin reply to this

          Sadly, you're talking about the most disgraceful man to ever occupy the Oval Office who is still running the GOP. So it's hard to move on when the GOP hasn't moved on from him.

          I think after his insurrection, had the GOP renounced him, we'd be moving on.

          Again, vis a vis China, we agree. I think you're very right about the shift in global power and the inability of the U.S. to effectively combat the influence of China around the world. Americans just love their cheap underwear just a bit too much.

          1. wilderness profile image95
            wildernessposted 14 months agoin reply to this

            Yes, we should have "renounced" the only man to make a serious effort concerning illegal aliens and our porous border.  We should renounce the man that worked within our laws to do something about DACA instead of simply creating a second class of people in the country.  We should renounce the only man that made an effort to control what China is doing to us and our businesses.  We should renounce the only man that recognized Israel's right to put their capital where it wanted.  We should renounce the man that achieved the lowest unemployment ever for blacks. 

            What the Democrats, in their fervor to prevent competition for the White House, ignores (and wishes everyone else to ignore as well) is that Trump did a great deal of good in his 4 years.  Instead they wish us to embrace their destructive policies than harm both country and individuals.

            Maybe, just maybe, we should all be hones and recognize that Trump DID have some good ideas, that he understood some of the needs of the country, and embrace those concepts, furthering them instead of destroying any good that he did.  Perhaps we should renounce the idea that Trump was evil from boots to cap and follow his lead where he was right (border, China, illegals, business regulation, etc.).

            But liberals will not do that, preferring to live in their fantasy that every word, every gesture, every action taken by Trump was bad.

            1. Valeant profile image87
              Valeantposted 14 months agoin reply to this

              Actually, It's your warped view of what Democrats represent that is the fantasy.  I'm sure with the amount of time you spend here, you certainly may have seen that some can note that the remain in Mexico policy and the safe harbor rules were humane and common sense rules.  But in your own hatred and stereotyping of 'liberals,' you cling to the views that all equate to the worst of your own views.

              But some of us find the neglect of migrant children that leads to double digit deaths evil from boots to cap.  Lying about a pandemic that increases the death toll makes a man evil from boots to cap.  A man that lies in an effort to subvert democracy, where those lies lead to dead police is evil from boots to cap.  A man that covered for and excused a known murderer of a journalist living in the United States - that's well within the definition of evil.

              That you and so many others continue to deny and support someone who worked as much outside the laws of our country as within is why so many of people like crankalicious and myself refuse to let our guard down about a resurgence of the evil that came from Trumpism.

              All you sycophants of Trumpism can continue to look through your rose-colored glasses.  The rest of us will see hundreds of thousands of dead Americans, an attempted attack on democracy, a defense of murderers, and one whose lies led directly to dead police and recognize that the movement that led to those things is very much alive and well and holds a majority in the current GOP.

              1. wilderness profile image95
                wildernessposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                And so you will promote a second sub class of citizens; now that we have tens of thousands of DACA we will add tens of thousands children that we will now care for and can add to the existing sub-class of people that live here but cannot become Americans.  And once more ignore our own laws as we do so...for the good of the nation.

                All for the good of America, right?  We stopped the consideration of women, blacks, Chinese and other nationalities and colors as being not worthy of true citizenship so will create a new group in the same position.

                1. Valeant profile image87
                  Valeantposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                  You thinking someone is promoting something is, again, your own warped view of other people.  And as you tend to, you ignore information that is in the public realm, to formulate your own delusions of what other people truly think.

                  1. wilderness profile image95
                    wildernessposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                    Should I assume you object to bringing in thousands or tens of thousands of unaccompanied children into the country for our welfare dept. to care for?  It didn't sound like it...

          2. Sharlee01 profile image83
            Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

            https://hubstatic.com/15503647.jpg
            No that would be Biden and his lying cronies, that the media  try to make protect'

            Sen. Raphael Warnock, D-Ga., admitted to signing off on LIES ---  information in a third-party advocacy group's email that went out about the Georgia voting law after it passed.

            The Washington Post flagged an email Warnock signed from the liberal nonprofit 3.14 Action as an example of Democratic lies about the sweeping Georgia voting reforms, as it claimed the new law restricted weekend early voting and ended no-excuse mail voting. NOT FACTUAL

            "Sen. Raphael G. Warnock, one of two new Democratic senators representing Georgia, signed an email sent out by the advocacy group 3.14 Action after the law passed, which claimed openly it ended no-excuse mail voting and restricted early voting on the weekends — also early proposals that did not become law," the Post reported. Those ideas were considered but did not make it into the final bill, which actually expands early voting in Georgia to 17 days, including two Saturdays. It also still allows no-excuse absentee voting, albeit with a shorter window of 67 days to apply. His statement went out on March 30, five days after Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp, a Republican, signed the final bill into law.

            His lie or sheep feed was for those that are affected with the uncurable TDS.  And the media helped spread the feed around.

            Rile em up... keep them well fed and they thrive on lies.

            In my view, the lies about Georgia's new voting laws are clearly meant to spread discord and promote a  racial divide. And we wonder why Americans have taken sides. This kind of politicking is out and out disgusting.

          3. Ken Burgess profile image87
            Ken Burgessposted 14 months agoin reply to this

            One could say a similar thing after Obama left office, that he was still part of the Dems, that they hadn't moved on, depending on what & who you listened to.

            Trump is gone, he won't be returning in any meaningful way, he has been all but silenced by Facebook, Twitter, the media at large... he will be used as the 'bogeyman' to scare those who invest too much time into the fiasco of America's politics-as-usual-freak-show.

            What IS REAL is the devaluation of the American dollar...

            The Trillions of dollars being diverted to the IMF which in turn will feed those funds to nations like China making them even more powerful, who in turn will gain more control within the machinations of the WB IMF BIS UN etc. etc.

            There are dual issues of import that are being fast-tracked one is the shift away from the Dollar being the global reserve to an international currency not dependent on the dollar... which will greatly diminish America's economic might as well as its international clout.

            The second is creating the legal machinations required to circumvent the Constitution, recognizing the higher authority of international authorities over and above national interests or individual rights guaranteed in the Constitution, and while doing this creating a surveillance state that subverts people's concept of "freedom of speech" thereby silencing all dissent, actually making dissent illegal.

            So much as disagreeing with a politician or a government authority in a position of power shall become tantamount to being a terrorist.

            We do not have much further to go, before a system of authoritarian control is securely in place in America, as it is in China, where speaking out against the "the Party" is as big a crime as murder.

            The difference being, that here in America we will dress these up as "hate crimes" or labeling words as "violence" against another or "terrorism"... the result will be the same.  Opposing views silenced, disagreement with those in authority made illegal.  Welcome to our version on 1984,

  3. Readmikenow profile image95
    Readmikenowposted 15 months ago

    I don't know of any new policies Biden has created to deal with the crisis at the border. 

    I DO know there are at least three policies President Donald Trump had in place that were working and Biden did away with them.

    First, the public health exclusionary order, they lifted that as it relates to minors,” he said, referring to the order instituted in the early months of the coronavirus outbreak in the United States. "Well, guess what we have now at the border? Lots more minors. That's not a surprise.”

    He added the second policy that was dismantled was the “Remain in Mexico” policy that kept migrants there while their asylum hearings were arranged in the United States.

    The final policy dumped that should be restored is the “safe third country agreement,” Cotton said,.

    The so-called safe third country agreement with countries like Guatemala that says if you pass through a country that's not your own seeking asylum, you have to make that asylum claim in the first country you pass through. That's the international norm.

    So, President Donald Trump had a much better ability to handle the problems at the border than the fraudulently elected Biden.

    1. Valeant profile image87
      Valeantposted 15 months agoin reply to this

      I concur with the last two policies, they actually do make sense, and are humane.  I'd even go so far as to pass a law that if you get caught entering illegally, you are forever barred from future citizenship.  Steering people to legal immigration should be the goal.  Trump did get somethings right with the border, but also some things very humanely wrong.

      But if you cannot recognize that Title 42 (newly formed in Covid times) which just immediately deports people without penalty invites them to try again can be a causation of an increase in border encounters, not sure I help you.

      And that fraudulently elected Biden line, still believing Trump's lies I see.

      1. Readmikenow profile image95
        Readmikenowposted 15 months agoin reply to this

        The evidence of fraud of the 2020 election is being carefully compiled.  Here is one more example.

        "Michigan judge rules secretary of state violated election law by unilaterally changing absentee voting rules"

        https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news … tee-ballot

        Evidence has been regularly collected since the fraudulent election.  When the Republicans take the house in 2021...an investigation will be conducted.  As I said before, this isn't over.

        1. Valeant profile image87
          Valeantposted 14 months agoin reply to this

          And yet, the case you link to does not assert fraud at all. 

          The Administrative Procedures Act requires state agencies that are developing a rule to better implement state law to go through months of public notices, drafts, impact analyses, public comment and public hearings.

          When a final version of the rule is complete, it is submitted to the Legislature's bipartisan Joint Committee on Administrative Rules. The committee has 15 session days to take action on the rules before they are finalized and filed with the secretary of state.

          "There is no support in the statute for plaintiffs to demand that an audit cover the subject of their choosing or to dictate the manner in which an audit is conducted," Murray (the judge) wrote.

          Gee, you think if this was a fraud case, he would have allowed an audit.

          1. crankalicious profile image92
            crankaliciousposted 14 months agoin reply to this

            Republicans are now a party of traitors, believing virtually any falsehood that comes out of their leader's mouth. Trumps says the insurrectionists were "hugging" those cops and they believe it. He says there was massive fraud and they believe it. His lawyer admits in court she was lying about it! What more proof do you need there was no massive fraud. She said you would have to be an idiot to believe her.

            They also want to believe that Democrats are massive sex-traffickers. Yet, Matt Gaetz may be an actual sex-trafficker and suddenly child rape is a good thing. It's funny, QAnon seems like a front for the very debauchery they so seem to despise.

            1. Valeant profile image87
              Valeantposted 14 months agoin reply to this

              The Republicans that still adhere to Trumpism, for sure.  And we have three to four who actively post in these forums that are so gullible to believe those lies that they are clearly a danger to the country.

          2. Readmikenow profile image95
            Readmikenowposted 14 months agoin reply to this

            State election law was intentionally violated.  What could be the motivation? It is not a desire to have an honest election.  Quite the opposite.

        2. Sharlee01 profile image83
          Sharlee01posted 14 months agoin reply to this

          Here in Michigan, there were 7.7 million absentee ballot applications sent out ahead of Michigan’s August primary and November election. Unsilisitated.  This mass mailing cost Michigan state $4.5 million,  which was covered with funds from the federal coronavirus relief package.  Money that should have been spent on COVID-related problems, such a getting food to people in need, and some assistance to people;e that lost their homes.

          Michigan Senate Republicans unveiled 39 wide-ranging bills to alter state election laws, targeting areas like absentee ballots, and need to make sure to keep ID law and a law that the signatures must be checked for validity.
          The Michigan package includes a bill that would bar voters from using absentee ballot drop boxes after 5 p.m. on the day before Election Day. Local clerks must ensure that a dropbox "automatically locks or is locked at 5 p.m. on the day before Election Day, and remains locked until after the election."

          Another proposal would bar local governments from providing prepaid postage for absentee ballot return envelopes as some did to encourage participation last year. A bill would require voters without photo identification to vote through a provisional ballot, rather than signing an affidavit to vote, as can be done under current law.

          The new Senate bills would specifically allow election challengers and poll watchers to use cameras to videotape the tabulating of votes and expand the rights of challengers,.and challengers would have the right to observe the election process at a "reasonable distance" that allows them "to clearly read and observe" lists of participating voters and tabulators.

          It will pass... And these laws help me as a voter feel comfortable that some of the fraud will be curbed.

    2. wilderness profile image95
      wildernessposted 15 months agoin reply to this

      Not true.  If your goal is unlimited immigration for anyone wanting in then Biden's policies will, indeed, solve any "border problem", for there will be no border to have a problem.

  4. Sharlee01 profile image83
    Sharlee01posted 13 months ago

    "When the bill came before the full Senate for debate on March 30, 1964, the "Southern Bloc" of 18 southern Democratic Senators and one Republican Senator (John Tower of Texas) led by Richard Russell (D-GA) launched a filibuster to prevent its passage. The filibuster lasted 54 days.

    Later that night, the House passed the Voting Rights Act by a 333-85 vote (Democrats 221-61, Republicans 112-24). Please note the percentage of the two parties. This was clearly a bipartisan effort.

    It is clear systemic racism is still a problem.  I noted Trump offering black American's many new advantages. The only racism I noted was the media twisting words that Trump said into something that mirrored racism.

    You want to hear racist statements do some research on Biden, one certainly does not have to twist his words, the context is clear, and he has a long racist history.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TJpnGCHtnA

    In fact, it would be hard to take some of his racist statements as anything else but racist. Never heard Trump make a racist statement -- ever.

    1. Credence2 profile image81
      Credence2posted 13 months agoin reply to this

      That was 1964, Sharlee, we all knew that outside of national politics the Dems were advocates of old south form of bigotry. But. If you paid attention, they all became Republicans within a decade.

      We were not satisfied with Trump's  'advantages', otherwise he would have received more support from our electorate.

      If you task me I can find more than one statement from Trump which can be interpreted as racist.

      1. Sharlee01 profile image83
        Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

        I was pointing out to Eso that the Democrats were much in agreement when it came to passing the Right To Vote Act. he used it as a retort more or less giving credit of the Right to Vote Act to Dems.

        Eso ---"I am also aware of them being sadly abused by the Democratic party." - you mean like giving the right to vote?  That kind of abuse?

        I would appreciate one statement where Trump was overtly racist.
        I found an article that the USA that fact-checked Trump's most notorious statements. All fact-checked for truth and context.  I think you might be surprised what a Liberal outlet ended up with...  But I would like you to provide something trump said that you as a black man found racist. I will certainly respect your opinion.

        https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/fac … 062530002/


        It would seem you have not really followed Biden through his many years in Washington. His attitude toward black American's has always been what I would call, shameful.

        1. My Esoteric profile image86
          My Esotericposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          "I would appreciate one statement where Trump was overtly racist." - Why must it be "overtly"?  Wouldn't multiple examples of dog whistles be enough?

          In any case, the first one that comes to mind before I research it is Trump's reference to "'Look at my African American over there'" at a campaign rally.

          Using your source above, these were deemed racist:

          "The 'suburban housewife' will be voting for me. They want safety & are thrilled that I ended the long running program where low income housing would invade their neighborhood.""

          “When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best,” he said. “…They’re bringing drugs, they’re bringing crime, they’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

          "crude descriptors for Haiti, El Salvador and some African countries, the Washington Post reported. In the conversation, held between Trump and several congressmen, the president allegedly called those countries “s---hole countries.” (Nobody but Trump said he didn't say that and at least one person there said he did. It is also in character)

          "that Trump said during a session with his national security team that all Haitians “have AIDS” and that once Nigerian immigrants had seen the U.S. they would never “go back to their huts.” (from staffers that were there but feared the well known retribution from Trump)

          Trump did not dispute this quote in 1997 - "that he said “laziness is a trait in Blacks” "

          "'These aren’t people. These are animals.', speaking about Latinos - I would call that one "overt"

          'When the looting starts, the shooting starts.' - a well-known racist trope

          "'Kung flu'"

          "'China virus' - racist based on the contest it was said in

          'Go back to crime infested places from which they came'

          'Pocahontas'

          'I have a great relationship with the Blacks' - a lie

          1. Sharlee01 profile image83
            Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

            Actually, I hoped you visited the link I provided with it gives most of your samples, and actually puts them in context. It is shocking to really read USA Today's article and how they put it all in perspective.

            I suggest you check out this link it gives very clear racial statements Biden has made throughout his history. He has been labeled a racist for many years, and he points his remarks all clearly at blacks. Labeling them as unintelligent, uses the word jungle to reject blacks being bussed, and refers they are physically dirty as a rule... He preaches to a black radio jock that he is not black if he does not vote for home.

            I have never heard Trump make a racist comment. I suggest you check out the link and see how many of the examples you gave are pout and out lies misconstrued by media. I have offered a left fact-checker, not sure what more you need.

            Your comment is made up of vague untrue information.

 
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