Trump's legacy: Full on unapolagetic racist GOP

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   IslandBitesposted 3 years ago

   Several House Republicans, led by Reps. Marjorie Taylor Greene (Ga.) and Paul Gosar (Ariz.), are forming a caucus which calls itself the America First Caucus, declares that "a certain intellectual boldness is needed" in order to "follow in President Trump’s footsteps, and potentially step on some toes and sacrifice sacred cows for the good of the American nation."
   
   "America is a nation with a border, and a culture, strengthened by a common respect for uniquely Anglo-Saxon political traditions. History has shown that societal trust and political unity are threatened when foreign citizens are imported en-masse into a country, particularly without institutional support for assimilation and an expansive welfare state to bail them out should they fail to contribute positively to the country," the caucus’s platform states.
   
   In a section describing its position on infrastructure, the caucus says it will "work towards an infrastructure that reflects the architectural, engineering and aesthetic value that befits the progeny of European architecture."
   
   Is that the new GOP?

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      Credence2posted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Need to delve into this a bit further, have you a link that you can recommend?

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         IslandBitesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         Oh, sorry. Forgot to add them.
         
         https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5487 … traditions
         
         https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congre … l-n1264338
         
         https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mccart … traditions

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      wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Personally, I don't see denying that America is the caretaker of the world is racist.  Nor do I see that appreciating European architecture is racist - I don't care for the older Chinese style, older Russian style and not that of the near east either.

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         IslandBitesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         Oh, what a surprise!

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            wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            It is, isn't it?  Someone that doesn't play the racist card at every step, and objects when others do as well.

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               IslandBitesposted 3 years agoin reply to this

               Sure.

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      abwilliamsposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Did you actually read the Platform I.B. or did you only read certain interpretations of the Platform?
      It addresses "Americans".
      Why is that such a problem?
      Why can't some accept that we are just that...Americans?
      Hyphenating Americans, adding to the term, taking away from the term is what is destructive!
      Taking pride in one's Nation, recognizing the sovereignty of one's Nation, being bold, understanding principle, showing character, can only heal.

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   IslandBitesposted 3 years ago

   Kevin McCarthy
   @GOPLeader
   
   America is built on the idea that we are all created equal and success is earned through honest, hard work. It isn’t built on identity, race, or religion.
   
   The Republican Party is the party of Lincoln & the party of more opportunity for all Americans—not nativist dog whistles.
   
   A tweet and another slap on the wrist? Where is the rest of the party?

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   IslandBitesposted 3 years ago

   “Republicans believe in equal opportunity, freedom, and justice for all. We teach our children the values of tolerance, decency and moral courage. Racism, nativism, and anti-Semitism are evil. History teaches we all have an obligation to confront & reject such malicious hate.” - Liz Cheney

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   Don Bobbittposted 3 years ago

   I fail to see why we, as a nation of over 300-millon people need to form lines liek the armies of old, such as with our Civil War and march with the same slogan on our lips. Come on people! we are a nation of individuals and where has all of the individualism gone? There is not "one voice" fools!
   There are a over 300-million of them, but some of us want to follow a figurehead who dresses in nice suits and makes cookie cutter statements.
   Where are the disagreements? Where are te real opinions?
   Where are the individualists that will say what they think and not what their " Fuhrer tells them to say?
   I am disgusted with this "follow te leader" idealism we suffer today! DON

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   IslandBitesposted 3 years ago

   "The hatefulness of this statement is only surpassed by its ignorance of American history and values." Rep. Ken Buck, Rep-Colo., added.

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   Readmikenowposted 3 years ago

   I read this and thought they were talking about history.
   
   Can anyone disagree that the United States was founded by individuals from Europe?  Our system of laws, government, court system and more were all based on European models. 
   
   That has nothing to do with being racist, that is a fact. 
   
   Where do you think the concept of a representative republic came from? Europe.
   
   Where do you think the concept of common law came from?  The concept of Miranda rights and more? Europe.
   
   The formation of our military is from Europe.  Battle formations, marching, handling weapons, etc.  all came from Europe. 
   
   Architecture, the way holidays are celebrated, etc.  ALL came from Europe.
   
   Sorry if you don't like history, but this is the reality of it.

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      Credence2posted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, but slavery and the involuntary appropriation of land from indigenous people came from Europe as well.
      
      It is not as if anyone else really had a lot of input, did they?

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         wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         Sounds like you think slavery originated in Europe.  It didn't, you know - it existed long before modern Europeans did.

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            Credence2posted 3 years agoin reply to this

            I did not say that it was European invention, by the way, Mike, this is for you as well.
            
            Conservatives always get bent out of shape regarding the contradictions of a slave society verses one that boasts of the concepts of equal rights under law.
            
            Do you really think that I am so naive to not know that the institution was not invented under Western Civilization? But, rarely was there as much hypocrisy associated with apologies for its existence. That, I can say, HAS originated in America.
            
            Maybe, in an another time line, a more inclusive development of America could have possible.  If others, rather than your vaunted Anglo-Saxon, had some imput into the development of this nation, is it not conceivable that we may have all come out better, avoiding some ugly patches in America's history?
            
            I am just saying that the so called Anglo Saxon should avoid dislocating his or her arm socket, patting one another on the back.
            
            "When foreign citizens are imported en-masse into a country, particularly without institutional support for assimilation and an expansive welfare state to bail them out should they fail to contribute positively to the country"
            
            Does that apply to all, it is convenient to make this as a Democrat problem. The Right is making this immigration crisis sound like an invasion from Genghis Khan. This problem has been around over many years and I am going to give Biden more than 4 months to work up a solution, if that is OK with you, Mike?
            
            We know that Republicans in their ineptitude and weakness are seeing this immigration issue as Biden's Achilles heel. We on the left are already "hep" to your strategy, and determined to insure its failure.

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               wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

               "I did not say that it was European invention"
               
               "If others, rather than your vaunted Anglo-Saxon, had some imput into the development of this nation, is it not conceivable that we may have all come out better, avoiding some ugly patches in America's history?"
               
               I do believe it was those same despised Anglo-Saxons that fought, and died by the tens of thousands, to end slavery.  As those "others" (presumably from  Africa, given your personal stance there) are still fomenting violence and genocide I doubt any one else could, or would, have done better.  Considering the state of China or North Korea, same goes for Asians.  Perhaps Eskimos or American Indians could have done better, but as both were locked into stone age cultures it is doubtful.
               
               Sorry, Credence; I didn't (and don't) know any other way to take "Yes, but slavery and the involuntary appropriation of land from indigenous people came from Europe as well."
               
               "The Right is making this immigration crisis sound like an invasion from Genghis Khan."
               
               It is far worse than Genghis Kahn, for he never had 20,000,000 people to invade with.
               
               "...I am going to give Biden more than 4 months to work up a solution..."  Biden has had years and years as a congressman to find solutions, and has accomplished exactly nothing.  There is no serious reason to think he will suddenly have an epiphany and discover one now; indeed, his big solutions so far have been to stop deporting people, stop efforts to secure the border and propose amnesty for all.

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                  Credence2posted 3 years agoin reply to this

                  "Sorry, Credence; I didn't (and don't) know any other way to take "Yes, but slavery and the involuntary appropriation of land from indigenous people came from Europe
                  
                  No worries, Wilderness, let's share a little history. Here is an excerpt from Abraham Lincoln (1862)
                  
                  
                  I would save the Union. I would save it the shortest way under the Constitution. The sooner the national authority can be restored; the nearer the Union will be "the Union as it was." If there be those who would not save the Union, unless they could at the same time save slavery, I do not agree with them. If there be those who would not save the Union unless they could at the same time destroy slavery, I do not agree with them. My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause. I shall try to correct errors when shown to be errors; and I shall adopt new views so fast as they shall appear to be true views.
                  
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                  So, the real issue, as defined by the Federal Goverment and its Chief Executive, was preservation of the Union. If the Southern States did not secede, there would not have been a Civil War and all would have gone on as before. It is not about the virtue of those "Anglo Saxons" and their desire to eradicate slavery. Who knows how many more decades would have to pass before the Capitalist system here in tangent with the Industrial Revolution through the latter part of the 19th and Early 20th Century would discovery slavery to be no longer viable in an ECONOMIC sense?
                  
                  Only then would there have been any real impetus to abolish it.
                  
                  Others in Congress have had decades to find solutions to the immigration crisis, have they been any more successful?
                  
                  Are you implying imparting some sort of moral superiority to the Anglo? The last millennium show Europe drenched in blood as much as the other parts of the world to which you are referring. Implying that others' cultures were "too savage" is nothing more than conjecture on your part. Who is to say who could have done better if the circumstances were different?

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                     wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                     "So, the real issue, as defined by the Federal Goverment and its Chief Executive, was preservation of the Union."
                     
                     Correct: I would say that is their job.  But what do you believe the "real issue" was...to the men that fought and died (Anglo Saxon or other)?  I rather doubt it was to save the union.
                     
                     "Others in Congress have had decades to find solutions to the immigration crisis, have they been any more successful?"
                     
                     No.  Does that mean that Biden, fitting snugly in with the rest, actually has a solution?  Or can make one?  Or can institute one without Congress?  Again, no.
                     
                     No, I did not intend to imply moral superiority to the Anglo.  Did you intend to imply moral superiority to any of the other races/cultures that were no better?
                     
                     You said it (that things might have been better); I only pointed out that it is doubtful as they are now far behind the US in violence due to race, religion, etc.

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                        Credence2posted 3 years agoin reply to this

                        Correct: I would say that is their job.  But what do you believe the "real issue" was...to the men that fought and died?  I rather doubt it was to save the union.
                        
                        What did you think the real issue for men was for fighting in Vietnam besides having been drafted? There were certainly more than one riot instigated by Anglos against Black communities over their resentment regarding what they considered a war over slavery, during the Civil War.
                        
                        As for Biden, I will give him time, just like you Righty types wanted everyone to give Trump.

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                           wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                           Vietnam - to avoid prison and stay alive.  Some may have, after being there and seeing the plight of Vietnamese, fought to protect them.
                           
                           I would give Biden time, too...had he not dismantled the most effective program we had and had he not had years and years to come up with something.  As he did dismantle the effective programs, as he did make not only ineffective but actively damaging programs (no deportations for 100 days, proposed total amnesty) and as he did have those years, I feel he has already had the time.  No more is necessary, and his exceedingly foolish actions show that to be true.
                           
                           You see, there are two major (major concerns between Biden and Trump: Trump was a nubie to the matter (no previous opportunity to do anything) and Trump made several efforts at correction.  Biden has had the time already and Biden has dismantled the most effective programs we've had in decades.

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         Readmikenowposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         You may need to do some research on slavery.  It is not a European invention.  The "slave trade" began in Africa in the 1600s in Arab countries located in Africa.  There have been slaves since biblical times.  Ever hear of someone called Moses?
         
         Also, history would show how the land from the "indigenous people" is also not an European invention.  Races of people and countries have been taking over each other's real estate since there have been organized societies. The orient, South America, happened often in Africa, etc.
         
         "When foreign citizens are imported en-masse into a country, particularly without institutional support for assimilation and an expansive welfare state to bail them out should they fail to contribute positively to the country"
         
         How is this wrong?
         
         Historically countries overwhelmed with mass migration by those who tap directly into their welfare system begin to collapse.  I hope liberals understand there is only so much money.  Treating people who enter your country illegally better than the its citizens causes huge amounts of resentment.  I've proven more than once how Democrats prefer illegal aliens to American citizens and legal immigrants.  There are just too many stories about it to ignore.

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      MizBejabbersposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Where do you think the concept of a representative republic came from? Europe.
      
      Let's don't get too carried away with tooting our own European horn. What you've said is only partly true. While it's true that our actual system of law is based on English Common Law, I don't believe you can show one democracy or democratic republic in existence in Europe in the 1700s. That idea came from the Native Americans:
      
      "The Iroquois Confederacy, founded by the Great Peacemaker in 1142, is the oldest living participatory democracy on earth. In 1988, the U.S. Senate paid tribute with a resolution that said, "The confederation of the original 13 colonies into one republic was influenced by the political system developed by the Iroquois Confederacy, as were many of the democratic principles which were incorporated into the constitution itself."
      
      https://www.pbs.org/native-america/blog … democracy/
      
      The very people who gave us the idea of the democracy were nearly forced out out of existence. I don't think I have to go into how the Native Americans were treated by our "freedom-loving" European ancestors.

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   emgeposted 3 years ago

   Mike, I think you have raised very relevant points One should not deny one's heritage. Even in India, the entire concept of a nation, the laws, judiciary, army, etc was the gift of the Raj. Similarly in the USA whatever we see there is fostered through European thought, so I wonder why anybody should deny it and try and digress away from a fact in issue.

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   MG Singhposted 3 years ago

   The Arabs and the Ottoman Empire was the biggest protagonist of slavery. Arab pirates sailed around the Mediterranean sea and captured ships for slaves and even raided the villages of Europe to capture girls for their harems. This form of slavery continued to the 20th century. The Arab traders also captured blacks and transported them to white traders who took them to America. The middleman between the Arab and the white trader was the Negro leader himself.  Biden because of political compulsion is not going to stop the migration now though it will, in the long run, affect America very badly after all the economy is already under strain and there is a trade deficit of almost $600 billion with China. I have always felt that Joe Biden was the wrong time to become president of the USA because he is going to lead America to its doom

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