Maxine Waters --- Oops I Did It Again...

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  1. Sharlee01 profile image85
    Sharlee01posted 13 months ago

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    Prosecutors and the defense will be offering closing arguments on Derek Chauvin's role in George Floyd's death. Chauvin was charged with second-degree unintentional murder, third-degree murder, and second-degree manslaughter charges, and he denied a quilt.

    Both sides will rest their case,  and a jury will then be left with the decision of innocents or guilt. This is our system of justice, innocent until found guilty by a jury of peers. Not found guilty due to emotions, but a verdict that is culminated from facts.

    Enter Maxine Waters  --  Maxine Moore Waters is an American politician serving as the U.S. Representative for California's 43rd congressional district since 1991. Maxine has a long history of inappropriate statements.

    Congresswoman Waters appears to see things a bit differently in regard to innocent until found guilty.  She simply has stepped up over the weekend in a crowd of protesters and used inflammatory words that COULD be understood as a message to that crowd to get out and fight, get confrontational if the verdict that is unacceptable to them.  In my opinion, Due to individual perception, her words could be comprehended differently by a given individual. 

    The jury has listened to both sides of the case. It is their responsibility ultimately to be responsible and weigh the evidence and hand down a verdict on the police officer that is accused of Killing George Floyd while attempting to arrest him.  In my view, in that crowd of protesters Waters handed down her own brand of justice, street justice.   Waters type of justice appears to be asking to condemn without a trial, and just  "fight", and get confrontational" if you don't get the outcome you desire...   confrontational. (adjective tending - to deal with situations in an aggressive way; hostile or argumentative.) 

    Here is a source to provide her words, from her mouth.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mn1br0MQFG4

    Waters also stated --- MSN reports 
    'I am not happy that we have talked about police reform for so long,'
    'We're looking for a guilty verdict,' she added in regards to the Derek Chauvin trial. 'If we don't, we cannot go away.'  'We gotta stay on the street,' Waters was recorded saying, adding that protesters needed 'to get more confrontational' and they should ignore the curfew in place    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/maxin … r-BB1fLU3B

    Should this congresswoman be expelled from her position as some in Washington are now demanding?

    Should her words of incitement make her accountable for any riots, looting, or deaths that could occur if Chauvin is found innocent?

    Congressmen and women are hired to represent American citizens. Is Waters suitable to represent American citizens? 

    Could her form of politicking rhetoric be dangerous and stir racial tension?

    1. wilderness profile image95
      wildernessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      Let's see... she voted for impeachment, didn't she, for Trump asking people to peacefully talk to their legislators but calling it incitement to riot?  And now she is inciting to riot herself.  "We've got to stay in the street".  "We've got to fight!".  We've got to become more confrontational!".

      SOP for Democrats, isn't it?  "Do as I say, not as I do, for you are not allowed to do or say what I am."

      1. Sharlee01 profile image85
        Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

        There is always great hypocrisy evident in many on the left.  It's never so clear as in this example IMO.  We are in for a long violent summer with this kind of rhetoric on display.

        1. wilderness profile image95
          wildernessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          Yes, I fully expect the riots to start up again, at least in the predominately liberal cities.  Glad I don't live in one.

          1. Sharlee01 profile image85
            Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

            I agree, living in Michigan a swing state, Detroit would be about the only place that protesters could be a problem. However, Detroit has a wonderful chief of police that pretty much the population of the entire state appreciates his no-nonsense rule by law approach to protest. No politics with Chief Craig, he respects the people that hired him wishes for law and order.

          2. Credence2 profile image81
            Credence2posted 13 months agoin reply to this

            "Yes, I fully expect the riots to start up again, at least in the predominately liberal cities.  Glad I don't live in one."
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            Yes, and most progressive minded cities are glad you don't live there.

            For you, Idaho is best.

            1. GA Anderson profile image91
              GA Andersonposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              Damned country bumpkin . . .;-0

              GA

              1. Credence2 profile image81
                Credence2posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                Pretty place, Idaho, I would get along fine with the folks there as long as we avoided discussing politics....

              2. wilderness profile image95
                wildernessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                lol

            2. Live to Learn profile image76
              Live to Learnposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              If progressive cities had more even tempered citizens, who don't support mob violence and lynch mob justice, it might be a good thing.

              But I can see why those who refuse to call out violence, without qualifying it with a
              'but I understand the mindset for the violence' would hope those types lived elsewhere.

            3. Ken Burgess profile image87
              Ken Burgessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              You say it as if it is an insult.

              Many are escaping to places like Idaho, Texas and Florida, they don't want anything to do with the "progressive" agendas sweeping through states like CA, NY, OR, WA.

              1. Credence2 profile image81
                Credence2posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                As for these so called liberal cities, most cities have Democrat mayors, by the way. Most large urban areas lean Democrat, but where are the jobs found and where is the foundation of the American economy, is it Petticoat Junction?

                I considered the statement that I responded to an insult, did you note that?

                We are working to flip Texas and Florida and in a matter of time we will, Idaho is hopeless.

                1. Ken Burgess profile image87
                  Ken Burgessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  As I often say to those I speak to, when Florida flips to a truly Blue state, America will have finally become a nation people are fleeing from rather than fleeing to.

                  The growing disrepair and dysfunctionality of the States on the West Coast is a sign of the disease that will spread across the nation, where the homeless have overrun the streets, where police will no longer respond and personal protection will be left to individuals to fend for themselves, where what we consider common courtesies today are cast aside for abusive behaviors.

                  Hopefully Red blood fleeing States like NY and CA keep States like FL healthy a while longer, I know that is expecting a lot from people... to have learned their lessons and comprehend why they had to flee from CA & NY in the first place, making sure they don't vote those same mistakes into office all over again.

                  1. Credence2 profile image81
                    Credence2posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                    I wouldn't be so pessimistic about people fleeing the country, Ken.

                    They said the same thing about Obama after he was elected.

                    I don't see the West Coast falling apart, California may not be growing as fast because of the cost of living, etc. but California, Oregon and Washington are not going anywhere and we may well add Arizona to the mix.

                    As for your last paragraph, the newcomers to Texas have enough crazy leftist ideas to unTexas Texas, that will be akin to the "second coming".

    2. peoplepower73 profile image92
      peoplepower73posted 13 months agoin reply to this

      Sharlee:  I watched your video and it is interesting that the secret service agent used the word "trumped" several times in the same sentence. And it was also interesting that fox news in it's propaganda style, selects a region in L.A. and says that shooting and violence is up 100%.  Therefore if there was one shooting on one day and a second one the next day, is it fair to say shooting was up 100%.  Fox news listeners do not use critical thinking.  They just run with whatever is said. That's what their broadcasts are designed to do.

      To answer your questions I'm going to use one answer for all your questions. Should Trump been impeached for inciting the riots at the Capitol and causing the death of several people and the destruction of public property? What goes around comes around.

      Mike

      1. wilderness profile image95
        wildernessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

        Critical thinking does not produce the concept that 1 is twice as great as 1.

      2. Sharlee01 profile image85
        Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

        Hi Mike, The only reason I used the video from Fox was that this morning I could not find another online video where her inflammatory words were used, and not cut away. So, I needed to use Fox news report to present the inflammatory words most news Outlets have seemed (as of this morning) cutaway.  I certainly did not want to present this thread without a video or a proper quote. I prefer to present facts whenever possible, In this case, Fox made that possible. MSN also had an article that quoted Waters's statements that I have added to the thread.

        Her words show disrespect for our justice system, inferring if Chauvin was not found guilty it would be an unjust verdict. .  Yes, to your point as so many have come to feel Trump did on Jan 6th.

    3. Credence2 profile image81
      Credence2posted 13 months agoin reply to this

      I do not support Maxine Waters statements as shown on the news cast. They are provocative and irresponsible from a member of the House of Representatives.

      As to whether she should be removed? What came from the statements and controversy from Rep. Greene? The insurrection on last Jan 6th found a Republican Senator or two intimately involved. What about removing them?

      1. Sharlee01 profile image85
        Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

        I think Green should be right behind Waters when escorted out. her antics are inexcusable IMO.  It is up to the DOJ to go after anyone they feel had a part in the attack on the Capitol. Hopefully, we see the new DA do his job.

        1. Credence2 profile image81
          Credence2posted 13 months agoin reply to this

          It is good as long as we all acknowledge that these outrages come from the abrasive ends of both political parties.

          1. wilderness profile image95
            wildernessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            Yes it is.  But not so good when we demand that one of the opposing party be "ousted" before considering one of our own.

            Poor behavior is poor behavior and should not be tolerated whatever the party affiliation.

          2. Sharlee01 profile image85
            Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

            Oh Yeah... Abrasive is putting it mildly.

            1. peoplepower73 profile image92
              peoplepower73posted 13 months agoin reply to this

              Shrarlee:  If I put myself in the place of these black people who are protesting, I believe this is not just about George Floyd.  This has been a long time coming it's  about how black people are treated by the police and how they get put on administrative leave and take for ever to bring a verdict, usually of not guilty.

              Maxine Waters is wrong for the words she has chosen.  However, if I put myself in her place I can understand where she is coming from.
              Mothers have to have "the talk" with their sons so that they don't make the cops angry and comply with their every command. Because if they don't, the cops can elevate the use of force until it becomes lethal as it has in so many cases. 

              I understand they have a dangerous job, but it is just as dangerous when a black person gets stopped for a minor violation and the scenario escalates to violence on the part of the officer. 

              In my opinion, that's what these protest are about.  When white people quote the Black Lives Matter slogan, they say, "All lives matter." That may be true, but really what  black people are saying is Black Lives Matter as Much as White Lives Matter. All it takes is a little empathy to put yourself in their place and to understand what they are protesting about.

              1. wilderness profile image95
                wildernessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                The question is why it escalates to violence on the part of the cop.  I have a really hard time believing that a "suspect" quietly following orders and not arguing or especially fighting back, is simply shot because they are black.

                We've seen a string of cop shootings wherein (I think) every single one was escalated by the suspect, not the cop.  Why that is ignored every time, just as it was in this case, is beyond me. Except that the BLM wants cops removed from the country...

                1. peoplepower73 profile image92
                  peoplepower73posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  Wilderness:  It is a tense situation for both sides.  I don't care how well the cops are trained.  If they get in tense situations they become nervous and stressed and are not thinking clearly and that applies to the suspect as well. But the cop is allowed to escalate the use of force based on his perception of the situation, where the suspect is not allowed to do the same.

                  That's why a police officer can shoot and kill someone when they think they are firing their taser when they have been trained not to do that.  That's why a suspect can try to open a glove compartment to get his registration and nervous cop will shoot him because he told him to keep his hands on the steering wheel and he thought he was going for his gun. Once the shot is fired, it can't be called back, but dead men don't talk either.

                  Read my article.  It has many case studies of the situation between officers and suspects.

                  https://discover.hubpages.com/politics/ … untability

                  1. wilderness profile image95
                    wildernessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                    I did read your article.  A long list of people shot by cops, but without any background, without the rest of the story.  Just someone got shot without any indication of the "why".

                    And that's a big part of the problem - we continually castigate cops for doing their job (protecting the public and themselves) without ever looking at the rest of the story.  Your example of going to the glove box is a good one: the suspect told what to do and instead goes for a gun hidden in the glove box.  Whereupon he's shot and we scream at the cop for not allowing him to get that gun and kill the cop.

                    Follow instructions, don't fight, and you won't be shot.  It's really pretty simple.

              2. Sharlee01 profile image85
                Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                Mike,  I could not put myself in a black person's shoes, just due to not having the same experiences or individual ideologies.  I don't feel that Maxine Waters is considering what is the best way to support and help black people. She does not live in the areas that will sustain damage, and perhaps lose their businesses or suffer the astronomic insurance costs to do business in these riot-strewn neighborhoods. Not sure why blacks don't note that these type of representatives only hurt their cause, and actually keep them further marginalized due to these antisocial beliefs.

                As I stated it is obvious we need to overhaul police training. This would certainly work to help the situation. However, if someone is arrested chooses to fight with an officer, or is visibly holding a weapon with intent to do harm, I don't want to see police hampered. As I pointed out 45 police were killed by a gunshot last year while doing their job. I don't at all believe it is dangerous for a black person to be stopped for a traffic violation unless they began to physically fight with the officer or pull a weapon. I have proven by last year's stats 45 officers killed, many while stopping a person for a traffic violation.  n my view it is illogical to think officers get up in the morning with a desire to kill...  Just saying

                I would also think most black parents do have that talk with their children, as do white moms and dads. --  respect the police, and cooperate.

                It would seem you ask for empathy from the police,
                perhaps we need empathy for the majority of our police officers that are now demonized while taking a chance of being killed due to fearing if they use force to arrest a person that fights or shows a weapon, it will be them that will be deemed a criminal.

                I have little empathy for lawbreakers that get physical with police, that the majority of the latest cases of those killed by officers had long violent rap sheets.   This new ideology is a topsy turvy way of looking at the problem. Just not willing to get on that bandwagon.

                To be honest, I have no respect for the BLM organization. If they cared about black people they would be considering the black on black crime, and help get to the root of what causes black on black crime. They support violence any form of crime. They don't need protests they need to look into the problems of the black race... Poor education, poor family structure, and poor understanding of what America has to offer them if they proceed down the right paths.

                BLM has done nothing but pit black against white...  They have put blacks back 50 years.  In my own circle of friends, I see racism popping up its ugly head with newfound opinions that surprise me.  We are headed for trouble.  And in the end, it is because of people like Waters and her politicking rhetoric. walking over black people to promote herself.

      2. GA Anderson profile image91
        GA Andersonposted 13 months agoin reply to this

        Yep, the extremes of one party don't cancel the extremes of the other. I think Water's statements were wrong, but the Republican "extremes" have been just as wrong in their statements.

        GA

        1. Credence2 profile image81
          Credence2posted 13 months agoin reply to this

          If you can just admit that, then we are on the same page

        2. gmwilliams profile image85
          gmwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

          +10000000000

    4. Sharlee01 profile image85
      Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

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      The judge in Derek Chauvin's trial says Rep. Maxine Waters' comments may be grounds for an appeal...

      "CNN)The judge overseeing former Minneapolis Police Officer Derek Chauvin's trial in the death of George Floyd said Monday that Rep. Maxine Waters' comments could be grounds for appealing a verdict in the trial.

      "I'll give you that Congresswoman Waters may have given you something on appeal that may result in this whole trial being overturned," Judge Peter Cahill told defense attorney Eric Nelson on Monday."  https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/19/politics … index.html

      OMG!   I guess Maxine should have kept her two cents to herself.

  2. Live to Learn profile image76
    Live to Learnposted 13 months ago

    I have ceased to be amazed at the ignorance of the left.  She should be removed from office.  She has no regard for justice.  She's trying to fire up a lynch mob.

    1. Sharlee01 profile image85
      Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

      I agree, I think her words will fire up not only black citizens but also citizens who respect our laws, and court system. She has a history of making inflammatory statements such as the one she made over the weekend.  Perhaps her conduct should be considered disruptive, and she should be requested to step away from her position or be expelled by a two-thirds vote of her peers.

      1. peoplepower73 profile image92
        peoplepower73posted 13 months agoin reply to this

        LTL: I watched Maxine Waters put down Jim Jordan while he was questioning Dr. Fauci about when can we go back to having our freedoms restored.  He was way over his allotted time and badgering Dr. Fauci.  She told him to shut up and that he was over his time.  Jim Jordan did shut up.  I think she was totally justified in doing so.  Jim Jordan is a bully and she defended Dr. Fauci.

        At this juncture, no one can accurately predict when the virus will be over and our totally freedoms can be restored.  We are at war with the virus and wars don't have schedules as to when they are won.

        1. Sharlee01 profile image85
          Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

          Come on, You're deflecting --- I have no problem with Waters telling Jorden to shut up, she is outspoken...It is an apparent characteristic she has, which I can take or leave. To each their own.

          I do have a problem with Waters stirring up racial hatred, and disrespecting our very justice system due to an "if come". She made it clear if this officer was not found guilty, justice will not have been accomplished. This kind of rhetoric is dangerous to all of us. Our laws protect us with a system that provides all to be innocent until proven guilty. And guilt is ascertained in our courts, not by Maxine Waters.

          This kind of thinking is lynch-mob thinking.  Plain and simple.

          Is this the kind of woman that should be in Congress? Does it say something about where we are headed as a Government? 

          I was appreciative to hear a comment from the White House ---

          "White House press secretary Jen Psaki said President Biden believes "protests must be peaceful" in response to Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Calif., calling for demonstrators to ramp up their actions in the event that Derek Chauvin is acquitted of murder for the death of George Floyd.

          In controversial comments over the weekend, Waters said protesters in Minnesota should "stay on the street and get more active, more confrontational." When asked if Biden agrees with this, Psaki did not directly answer, but she made clear that while the president is very much in favor of protesting in general, he opposes violence."

          1. peoplepower73 profile image92
            peoplepower73posted 13 months agoin reply to this

            Sharlee:  I wrote this article back in June of  last year, but it is even more pertinent now.  I know we are not supposed to support our own articles in forums, but at the risk of being called out on this, it will save me a lot of time to argue my point. This article tries to look at both sides of racial tension with the police and black people.

            https://discover.hubpages.com/politics/ … untability

            Mike

            1. Sharlee01 profile image85
              Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

              Mike I will enjoy having a look at your work.  I see no reason one should not use an article they wrote if on the subject or related to the subject.  I will read the article and respond afterward.

            2. Sharlee01 profile image85
              Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

              Mike, I read your article, it was well written, and one can see you did a good amount of research to bring your point across the finish line. You laid out compelling proof that America has a need for better training programs for our police officers. Most important changes to dictate what is appropriate when an officer needs to use force to make an arrest.  I think the majority of American's would agree we need reform in regard to the types of force protocols an officer can use to subdue someone in the line of duty.

              However, have you considered that an officer's job can be dangerous, and without being able to use force can put their lives in danger?  In your article, you had a list of black people that were killed by police officers while being detained, and in most cases being arrested. The sad list span incidents from 2012 to 2020.

              In 2020 alone we had 45 officers across America lose their life to gunfire while performing their job. One year...  Can you imagine if I offered stats that would span 2012 - 2020?  So, I just hope I can impress on you that there are two sides to every story. Being a cop is a hard job, and most I venture are good people doing a very hard job.  So, when we demand police reform, in my view we need to be careful these men and women have the right to defend themselves. We just have no right to ask them to protect us with a hand-tied behind their back.

              https://www.odmp.org/search?cause=Gunfi … ilter=nok9

              1. wilderness profile image95
                wildernessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                Not only the right to defend themselves, but the right to do their job.  We are progressing towards a situation where if a criminal doesn't lie down and present his arms for arrest he is to be let go; no violence of any kind will be permissible against a criminal.  Not a tazer, not a nightclub, not fists or hands as a criminal might be bruised.

                The result is easy to see as crime has grown to the point that most offenses are not even investigated, let alone an active search for the criminal.

                1. Sharlee01 profile image85
                  Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  I was so shocked to find so many police officers died (45 in 2020) by gunshot last year. I never realized just how dangerous a policemen's job was until I researched the death toll from 2020.  I would be almost afraid to research any further prior years. I can see why so many are leaving the field of law enforcement.

            3. Credence2 profile image81
              Credence2posted 13 months agoin reply to this

              Nice article, Mike, statistics say that there are disparities in enforcement of the law and the application of justice between Blacks and Whites.

              I can't believe that whites in certain situations do not experience police brutality. Are situations involving whites reported in the same way?

              No one should want to defund the police, but I believe more care should be given to the kind of men hired. There remains a lot racial bias within American life, do these men bring their biases to the job and how does it affect their performance? All candidates should be subjected to rigid psychological batteries and screens to weed out the "Dirty Harry's", or those with subconscious resentment over anything which will be brought to the forefront in situations of stress. This Chauvin guy is a sadist brute, there can no excuse for him and 3 attending officers just standing by applying force to restrain a man leading to his death.

              The problem also appears to be that whites have too much say within departments when the force primarily consists of people of color. Is this a reason why police departments are slow to embrace needed reforms in recruitment and SOP on the beat?

              I respect the job and such, but I find very little excuse for use of lethal force when a suspect is unarmed. I expect the adult officer to use better judgement and discernment and not shoot a kid with a toy gun. The need for transparency is needed to foil the idea of a "blue line", everyone is held accountable for their behavior, the citizen and law officer, such being, all officer's are required to wear body cameras to protect the citizen, themselves and the tax payer from expensive law suits. I like approaches that keep everybody honest as we are all on candid camera.

              As you say, resisting arrest raises the ante, it is best to cooperate now and have your day in court later.

  3. MG Singh profile image73
    MG Singhposted 13 months ago

    Whatever the verdict  the agitation and the riot are bound to follow.  I hope I am wrong but the black invariably does not want to sit and talk but resort to violence because he feels he has been marginalized for 220 years and there is no other way. If Chauvin is acquitted there will be riots and if he is convicted again there will be celebratory riots.

    1. Sharlee01 profile image85
      Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

      I agree... I do realize many black people feel marginalized, as insignificant. I will never understand why any would want to be noted for violence, stealing, and causing injury. It would seem to be noted for violent protests would defeat the purpose, and they would be noted for all negative, antisocial actions.

  4. IslandBites profile image90
    IslandBitesposted 13 months ago

    Not need to worry about her words anymore. Justice has been done.

    1. GA Anderson profile image91
      GA Andersonposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      Do you really think justice has been done? Do you think only a manslaughter conviction would also have been justice, or is it justice because there was conviction on all charges?

      I won't make you guess. I don't think justice was done. I think a manslaughter conviction was justified. Maybe even the 3rd-degree murder charge, but I don't agree with the 2nd degree murder conviction.

      I also have a problem with the appearance of three unanimous conviction agreements in 11 hours of deliberation. But, your Justice" was done by the rules, so I can accept the verdict. I also won't argue why you think justice is done. I just disagree.

      GA

      1. Sharlee01 profile image85
        Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

        We have a justice system, it was followed to the letter. The officer was charged on three counts. He had a jury of peers, a defense. In studying the three charges it would appear the charges were justified.  The prosecution well proved their case on all three charges.  The defense was not the best and lacked the ability to offer doubt to the jury that all three crimes were not justified.

        IMO our justice system is one of the best or as good as a justice system can be. It has flaws, but in the long run, it works much of the time.  Could we improve on it? Yes, always room for improvement.

  5. Live to Learn profile image76
    Live to Learnposted 13 months ago

    We have a man dead who has been labeled a martyr.  Now we've offered up the sacrificial lamb.

    1. peoplepower73 profile image92
      peoplepower73posted 13 months agoin reply to this

      LTL:  Who labeled him a martyr and who sacrificed him?

      1. Live to Learn profile image76
        Live to Learnposted 13 months agoin reply to this

        Pelosi stated he sacrificed his life.  That's the definition of martyr. I have no idea what the rest of your question is about. Sounds like you were still referencing Floyd.  Chavin was the sacrifice.  Guilty,  or not,  guilty was the only verdict that would spare the area more violence.

      2. Sharlee01 profile image85
        Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

        Yesterday Nancy Pelosi thanked  George Floyd and said these words -- "Thank you George Floyd for giving your life for justice..."   In my view, those words sound very much like she labeled him a martyr.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AH83YotdAq8

        Biden also put out a statement --- You be the judge

        "Well, I told her this afternoon, “Daddy did change the world.”  Let that be his legacy: a legacy of peace, not violence — of justice. " President Joe Biden

        "The guilty verdict does not bring back George.  But through the family’s pain, they are finding purpose so George’s — George’s legacy will not be just about his death, but about what we must do in his memory." Joe Biden

        "In my conversations with the Floyd family — and I spoke with them again today — I assured them that we’re going to continue to fight for the passage of the George Floyd Justice in Policing Act so we can — I can sign it into law as quickly as possible. "  Joe Biden

        I would think all of Biden's statements promote a form of Martyrdom. Source    ---  https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-roo … rge-floyd/

        I could give several more examples from the media, and Washington talking heads.

  6. Readmikenow profile image95
    Readmikenowposted 13 months ago

    Does anyone on this thread realize how the law works?

    Maxine Water's statement can negate the ruling on appeal.  His defense team will have a strong case that the jury was impacted by her statement.  If this happens, the verdict could be overturned.  Then they would have to have a new trial.

    I'm sure his attorney may try to work out a plea deal.  It opens the door for him to get out on appeal.  It happens.

    Will this case get the same verdict in a few years when emotions about it have died down?

    What Maxine Waters did was just plain stupid.  She's known for her stupidity...but this could result in some serious negative consequences.

    1. Sharlee01 profile image85
      Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

      Yes, I noted the judge's statement... Unbelievable what Maxcies words now will be part of an appeal. And all for a photo op.
      https://hubpages.com/politics/forum/351 … ost4184382

  7. Kenna McHugh profile image90
    Kenna McHughposted 13 months ago

    Career politician, who keeps her constituents subsidized, to stay in office.

    1. Readmikenow profile image95
      Readmikenowposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      Maxine Waters doesn't even live in the district she represents.  I don't know how she gets away with that one.

  8. Kenna McHugh profile image90
    Kenna McHughposted 13 months ago

    Wow! I remember her during the LA riots. She reacts.

  9. Readmikenow profile image95
    Readmikenowposted 13 months ago

    Dershowitz: Chauvin Conviction ‘Should Be Reversed On Appeal,’ Maxine Waters Used KKK ‘Playbook’ To Intimidate Jury

    “The irony of what Congresswoman Waters did. She borrowed the playbook of the Ku Klux Klan from the 1920s and 1930s. They would stand outside of courtrooms, and they would threaten violence,” Dershowitz told Newsmax. “This violates the separation of powers. It insults the integrity of the independent judiciary, and Congresswoman Waters ought to be ashamed of herself. What she did was disgraceful.”

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/dershowi … ngDsWtdp5g

    1. Sharlee01 profile image85
      Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

      The race-baiting from the left is so out of control. It will lead to a totally split society. I see it in my own circle of friends, I am willing to admit I seeing bitterness, and even hate.

      The Democrats are playing a sad destructive game to keep power, and it is at the expense of the black citizens. Their narrative is clear pit one race against the other.

      And Waters IMO is an arrogant, ignorant woman that could care less about black people or law enforcement. She has bodyguards and certainly does not live in the areas where the riots take place. She is to put it politely, an unscrupulous opportunist walking over the backs of blacks to obtain political power.  Time for her to retire, and take Ol' Joe with her, he race-baits every chance he gets, and his history shows him to be very much racist throughout his 50 years in Washington. I don't appreciate my Country being belittled, torn down by race-baiters that seek power.

      1. peoplepower73 profile image92
        peoplepower73posted 13 months agoin reply to this

        Sharlee: Maxine Waters does not represent the entire democratic left. Dershowitz's statement is his opinion. Just because he and Waters made those statements does not mean that the left is race baiting. 

        The black people and the left deserve justice when cops use lethal force when it is not justified. As far as you saying the left is trying to split the society by pitting one race against the other.  I have news for you.  Our society has been split for a long time.  You can thank Trump and company for the latest split.

        I can't believe that Dershowitz would even mention the Klan when they did horrible things to blacks and then he says they were trying to intimidate the juries when people were hung, burnt and beaten to death. They were so proud of themselves, they even had to wear sheets to hide their identities.

        1. Readmikenow profile image95
          Readmikenowposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          Look at the number of white people shot by police.  NO riots, protests, and limited mention in the news.

          Yes, the left is race baiting.  They prey on those who don't know that facts.

          Notice how this year 50 unknown white people have been shot by police.  There have been 30 black people shot by the police.  We know this because our media seems to cover each and every one.  There has also been 20 Hispanics shot by police.  Where is the news coverage?

          https://www.statista.com/statistics/585 … e-by-race/

          1. peoplepower73 profile image92
            peoplepower73posted 13 months agoin reply to this

            RMN: It looks like all you did was look at the graph, but you didn't read this below the graphs.  Read the second paragraph below.

            Sadly, the trend of fatal police shootings in the United States seems to only be increasing, with a total 213 civilians having been shot, 30 of whom were Black, in the first three months of 2021. In 2020, there were 1,021 fatal police shootings, and in 2019 there were 999 fatal shootings.


            Additionally, the rate of fatal police shootings among Black Americans was much higher than that for any other ethnicity, standing at 35 fatal shootings per million of the population as of March 2021.


            Police brutality in the U.S.
            In recent years, particularly since the fatal shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri in 2014, police brutality has become a hot button issue in the United States. The number of homicides committed by police in the United States is often compared to those in countries such as England, where the number is significantly lower.


            Black Lives Matter
            The Black Lives Matter Movement, formed in 2013, has been a vocal part of the movement against police brutality in the U.S. by organizing “die-ins”, marches, and demonstrations in response to the killings of black men and women by police.

            While Black Lives Matter has become a controversial movement within the U.S., it has brought more attention to the number and frequency of police shootings of civilians.

            1. Readmikenow profile image95
              Readmikenowposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              So, are you telling me, the lives of the white and Hispanic people killed by police don't matter?

              Again, where is the media coverage of their deaths?  Where is the riots for them?

              BLM? They ONLY care about black people. 

              BLM protesters rally for ‘victim,’ leave after learning he was white
              The man who was killed is believed to be a white man in his 20s who had stolen a car from a woman at gunpoint — then repeatedly shot at cops as they chased him

              https://www.foxnews.com/us/blm-proteste … -was-white

              BLM has gotten more attention for being founded by a dedicated Marxist, who used BLM funds to purchase a million dollar residence in a white neighborhood, and their promotion of looting and burning cities more than anything else.

              1. peoplepower73 profile image92
                peoplepower73posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                RMN: What I'm telling you is that your statement of more whites than blacks are shot by police is based on the graphs, not the explanations that explained that graphs which I copied and posted.

                1. Readmikenow profile image95
                  Readmikenowposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  Why no outrage for the whites and Hispanics who lost their lives by being shot by police?

                  You've heard of George Floyd.  Ever hear of Tony Timpa?  Of course not.  As a white person his death did not warrant liberal outrage.

                  "But the body camera footage released this week shows the officers holding Timpa in a prone position, face down in the grass while officers swap out his handcuffs and zip-tie his legs. Timpa can be seen struggling, begging the officers to stop holding him down. He screams, “You’re gonna kill me.” One of the officers repeatedly tells him to relax, saying “You’re going to be all right.”

                  The footage shows Timpa, his face down in the grass, falling unconscious. The officers can be heard making jokes about Timpa falling asleep and about waking him up for school. One officer appears to mimic a teenager, saying: “I don’t want to go to school! Five more minutes, Mom!”

                  The footage shows officers and paramedics putting Timpa’s lifeless body onto a gurney, and one of the officers can be heard asking, “He didn’t just die down there, did he?”

                  https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/02/us/dalla … index.html

                  Where was the outrage from the liberal left?  Where was the outrage from the Democrat controlled media? Police officer killed a man and laughed about it as it was happening. Do you think it was because Tony Timpa had the wrong skin color to warrant acknowledgement of his horrible death at the hands of the police?

                  This is just one of many.  Want to see some stories about black police officers shooting white people?  There are many.  Again, where is the outrage from the left?

                  So, do you even know what race baiting is?

                  1. peoplepower73 profile image92
                    peoplepower73posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                    RMN:  We all know there are good cops and there are bad cops and they come in all colors just like the people they use excessive force on. 

                    Race baiting originally didn't mean what the right means that is today.  Here are two articles that tell how it began and how it has been coopted by the right to mean something used as political advantage for the left. 

                    Now the right is accusing the left media that they are not covering cops mistreating white people as much as black people.

                    https://medium.com/@rosekellywhite/what … cbe8357258

                    https://splinternews.com/if-youre-confu … 1793848630

              2. GA Anderson profile image91
                GA Andersonposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                How do you know that the BLM leader used BLM funds for her real estate purchases? I heard she has multiple streams of non-BLM income.

                I agree with the contradiction of her Marxist claims and her personal financial actions, but I haven't heard any evidence, (yet?), that she funded her contradiction with BLM funds.

                GA

                1. Readmikenow profile image95
                  Readmikenowposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                  How do you know she didn't?  Unless they are willing to open up their books, she reveal her finances, nobody will know for certain. So you can either assume she did or assume she didn't.  I suppose the choice is up to the individual.

                  1. peoplepower73 profile image92
                    peoplepower73posted 12 months agoin reply to this

                    RMN:  You can ether assume the sun is coming up tomorrow morning or it isn't.  I guess the choice is up to the individual.

        2. Sharlee01 profile image85
          Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

          Our own president uses race-baiting. He does it frequently when he speaks. He is pandering to the black on one hand and pointing them out as unintelligent on the other...  That my opinion.   I never claimed Maxine represented the entire democratic left. I did say --- "The race-baiting from the left is so out of control".  I do include her in with the Dems that race bait.

          I have not argued or denied black people justice for any case of police brutality. I consider and look at each case as it is presented. The majority of these police shootings have occurred while a police officer is making an arrest, and the person being arrested fought with the officers. So, each shooting would need to be considered and investigated for police brutality.

          I don't agree that our society has been split for a long time. I think over the many years before Obama our society was working to repair a historical split, and making good headway.  Obama IMO was responsible for much of today's split. He continually played the I am ashamed of America card, he worked hard to tear America down. That's one reason Trump won, he was pro - American. He put America first and was very patriotic. Citizens were hungry for change after Obama.

          At this point, we have a split that deep, and I think unrepairable. Not sure if all that live on the blow-up bandwagon have taken a look around, fewer people really care about fixing a split and are not willing to give even an inch when it comes to left ideologies.

          Not sure why you have a problem with Dershowitz's comment about Maxine. It would appear she did use a Klans playbook tactic  He simply stated something the KKK would do back in the day, his statement was factual.    The KKK would stand outside courtrooms and let those inside know --- you don't give us the verdict we want there will be violence.

          Maxine's statement said exactly that. Dershowitz's analogy to the KKK is solid... She borrowed a tactic from the KKK.   Have you listened to her complete statement? Using words like stay on the streets, fight, get confrontational, ignore the curfew are all threatening terms. 

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mn1br0MQFG4

          1. peoplepower73 profile image92
            peoplepower73posted 13 months agoin reply to this

            Sharlee:  I'm sorry I have to remind you of Trump's statements to incite insurrection at the Capitol. She is just a congresswoman.  He was the President of the United States and a known documented racists for most of his life.

            You might find this interesting reading.

            https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/202 … 308414002/

            1. Sharlee01 profile image85
              Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

              You need not remind me of Trump's statements the day that protesters went into our Capitol.  These were the words that stood out to me... Factual quotes that can not be denied in any fashion. His words were1 clearly stated, the context was clear.

              "'We are going to the Capitol'
              The president used "we" but he didn't join them as his supporters took the short walk from the rally to Congress. In closing his speech he stated.

              He said: "We're going to walk down to the Capitol and we're going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women, and we're probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them." President Trump Jan 6, 2021, Save American Rally

              "'Peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard".... President Trump

              I felt I have given factual information and good context to substantiate my point, that she was clearly stirring up a crowd to promote violence if they did not get a guilty verdict.
              Maxine's states were also clear, the context was clear... Ignore the curfew, fight, get confrontational

              I have researched your claim, and not found any statements that would indicate Trump is a racist.  Perhaps you could offer a few statements. I do realize his father did appear to segregate his rentals. I don't hold the sins of a father against his children. I also have read and researched the full context of statements that the media deemed racist to be misquoted out of context.  You really need to add some substantial proof when you label anyone a racist.

              We have a man sitting in the White House that has a very clear history of promoting racist legislation as well as making off-color statements. The facts are available to the public due to the wonderful world of technology.  Not sure how Trump entered into this. Maxine Water's statements and history of such statements show her to be a race-baiter IMO.

              The Chauvin trial is over,  justice was served. I have no idea or do I care about him appealing the case. It is very obvious he would lose on appeal.

              1. peoplepower73 profile image92
                peoplepower73posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                Sharlee:  I replied to RMN with this and I'm replying to you as well.

                https://medium.com/@rosekellywhite/what … cbe8357258

                https://splinternews.com/if-youre-confu … 1793848630

                I don't think you look hard enough to find about Trump being a racists. There are many articles available about his long history of racisms. This is just one.

                https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/ … sm-history

                1. Sharlee01 profile image85
                  Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  First, I find you have made an attempt to deflect the subject away from Water's and on to Trump. In reality, two wrongs don't make a right.   If we are going to deflect, I am very willing to move on to Biden the man sitting in the White House today. I find him an innate racist, it's deeply seeded in his history.    His own words, not someone accusing him of doing or saying something second hand --- His own words, from his mouth...  So, if we open door number two, I am going to open door number three, and that door has Biden behind it... With his big ol' mask.  Let's talk Biden

                  This is a pattern you use in most conversations. This is concerning, it would appear you may have an obsession with all Trump. Let's get back to Maxine, her words, the problem with her race-baiting. She attempted to derail our justice system. She told a crowd more or less --- if we don't get the verdict we want --- we riot!

                  I suggest you apply these two articles when considering what you feel Trump has done or said to be racists.  You appear to hope I will apply the information to perhaps consider Maxine's statements were not race-baiting. It would appear you may be being hypocritical. The link you supplied with a list of actions you feel shows Trump to be racist, none have him making verbal racists statements.  Maxine's words speak for her character. As does Biden's. I could give example after example of Biden's words that clearly show he stereotypes blacks. Odd many are not willing to accept the facts.

                  I read your link --- not one of these examples if put in true context shows racism. Most accusations are actually hearsay. Someone stepping up with an accusation. I have never heard anything from Trump that I would find racist.  And in regards to the VIrus, I call it the China virus. It originated in China, they are responsible for keeping it under wraps until it became an epidemic. I solely blame China's leadership for a very corrupt decision that has produced a virus and hide it as long as they could.  I Blame the Chinese Government and not the Chinese people...

                  1. Readmikenow profile image95
                    Readmikenowposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                    Isn't it funny how the left declares the Donald Trump as a racist, but ignore Joe Biden's many racist comments over the years?

                    "Biden told black radio host Charlamagne tha God, “If you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black.”

                    "Biden told the Asian and Latino Coalition of Des Moines that “poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids.”

                    "In 2008, Biden referred to then presidential candidate Barack Obama as “the first sort of mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean.”

                    "Biden praised the notorious segregationist politician George Wallace, boasted about how Wallace once honored him with an award in 1973, and told a Southern audience in 1987 that “we [Delawareans] were on the South’s side in the Civil War."

                    https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election … -comments/

                    Where is the outrage and claims of him being a racist?  This is the short list. 

                    I suppose the liberal outrage is drowning in a sea of hypocrisy.

                  2. Credence2 profile image81
                    Credence2posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                    Most white people stereotype blacks in some form or another. We have always had to settle for less than the ideal. But, clearly some people and party platforms are more abrasive than others, if you know what I mean?

            2. GA Anderson profile image91
              GA Andersonposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              " a known documented racists for most of his life."

              I think you might have trouble supporting that as anything more than an opinion. Yet you state it as a fact.

              GA

              1. peoplepower73 profile image92
                peoplepower73posted 13 months agoin reply to this
                1. Sharlee01 profile image85
                  Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  I will deflect as you have seen fit to do --- You have brought up your belief that Trump is a racist.    I think it is suitable to point out Biden's job history in regard to race. It's clear he has made many racist comments over the last two years. It may be time to look at his past actions, his job history in the Senate as it relates to race, and systemic rare problems. Did he support black citizen's needs or did he work hard to discriminate against them? I mean, after all, Trump is gone, we now have Biden in the White House. Should we all be as concerned about his attitude in regard to race? Or does he just get a magical pass go card? Trump certainly did not get that card. Is it hypocritical to support such a man?

                  During the last election, the  Democrat Party is spent millions of dollars in campaign ads targeting minority communities falsely painting President Trump as a racist. The fact is Joe Biden has supported more policies that adversely impacted African Americans and facts confirm  President Trump has implemented and supported policies that have resulted in real growth inside minority communities.

                  I think it fair to look back on Biden's history in the Senate - What he was up to at his job. Did he really support the needs of black citizens?  Let's have a look...

                  In 1977  U.S. Senator Joe Biden was adamantly and vociferous against desegregating public schools.  Busing was being considered as a program that would provide transportation for minority children into better school systems at the time occupied by mostly white children.  It was felt and was presented as an idea that would have allowed children of different races to interact with each other, develop respect for one another, and help create a more diverse and accepting society, while also providing black children a better education.

                  Biden's own words made that very clear.   Biden’s biggest fear was obvious that his own children might have to grow up alongside African American children and expressed those fears on the floor of the United States Senate when he stated "Unless we do something about this, my children are going to grow up in a jungle, the jungle being a racial jungle with tensions having built so high that it is going to explode at some point. We have got to make some move on this.”.

                  Let's consider Biden respected and worked side by side with Ku Klux Klan Senator Robert Byrd. Biden partnered with a former member  Senator Robert Byrd (D-W.Va) who held the Senate floor for more than 14 hours in a filibuster against the 1964 civil rights bill.  These two partnered up and wanted to prohibit the use of federal funds to transport students beyond the school closest to their homes ensuring that black kids stayed in black schools.

                  However, Joe Biden was not done by as of yet.  He realized the best way to keep black children out of white neighborhoods was to eliminate any potential funding streams.  So in 1977, Biden co-sponsored a measure that further restricted the federal government from desegregating city and suburban schools with redistricting measures like school clustering and pairing.

                  By 1977 Biden had truly emerged as the Democratic party’s leader in racist policies and even joined up with segregationists Jesse Helms from North Carolina. The two worked together to strip the federal government’s power to withhold funding from school districts that did not comply with measures under the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

                  Joe Biden did not want the Federal Government to be able to enforce the Civil Rights Act on School Districts that did not want black children in white schools.

                  In the middle of all this, the racist Helms welcomed Biden "To the ranks of the enlightened”.

                  Has time changes  Joe Biden's mind in regards to providing better education for the underprivileged?  Trump started a new movement to help African American children obtain better educational opportunities through school vouchers. A program supported by a majority of African Americans especially African American women. Joe Biden has claimed he is against school od choice and school vouchers.

                  Should we have a look at Biden's criminal justice reform? The Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act, now known as the 1994 crime law, was the result of years of work by Biden, who oversaw the Senate Judiciary Committee at the time, and other Democrats.

                  The 1994 crime law passed by Congress. The bill which was meant to reverse decades of rising crime was one of the key contributors to mass incarceration. The bill leads to more prison sentences, more prison cells, and more aggressive policing — especially hurting Black and brown Americans, who are disproportionately likely to be incarcerated.

                  It well appears Biden had racists tendencies and has throughout his life. His racist words are telling. But his deeds speak so much more loudly, do they not?

                  The thread was about Maxine Waters, it may have been wise to discuss the subject, not bring Trump in as a comparison. It leaves a door open for the ugly fact we have a racist sitting in the White House presently.

                  1. peoplepower73 profile image92
                    peoplepower73posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                    Sharlee: Obviously, you didn't take all that off the top of your head. I posted the link for my reply.  What is your source for all that information about Biden.  I would like to read it for myself.

                    The reason I brought Trump into the picture is because he is a racists and he incited violent protests, just like many people in this forum have claimed Maxine waters statements would do, but so far that is not the case.  I think it is wishful think on the part of people who don't like her.  They would love to see her go down in flames.

                2. GA Anderson profile image91
                  GA Andersonposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                  I hope the others of your "many" are more conclusive. This one repeatedly used words indicating opinion or interpretation. The article even answered that same question:

                  "For one, the argument is tremendously semantic. It’s essentially probing the question: Is Trump racist or is he bigoted? But who cares? Neither is a trait that anyone should want in a president — and either label essentially communicates the same criticism."

                  GA

                  1. peoplepower73 profile image92
                    peoplepower73posted 12 months agoin reply to this

                    GA:  This is for your dining and dancing pleasure.

                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_vi … nald_Trump

                    Mike

  10. Kenna McHugh profile image90
    Kenna McHughposted 13 months ago

    If BLM really cared about their people, they'd educate them and help them gain power through knowledge, not protesting, and disregarding the laws.

  11. MG Singh profile image73
    MG Singhposted 13 months ago

    This is a telling reminder that everything is not hunky-dory in USA and the Black Lives Matter movement should not be taken too seriously.

    1. Readmikenow profile image95
      Readmikenowposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      I agree with you.

  12. abwilliams profile image67
    abwilliamsposted 13 months ago

    Amen and hear, hear Ken!

  13. MG Singh profile image73
    MG Singhposted 12 months ago

    I would like to add that blaming the media is like flogging a dead horse. The media functions under a set of rules which they have formulated and they have to generate a profit they are not there at the beck and call of the common man. As far as racism is concerned we must recognize the fact that it is something that is inbuilt in the human mind. The concept of color has been there for the last 4000 years and even among the Negroes the lighter-skinned are preferred and I can say that with authority having spent time in Africa. The color bar is not going to go away and never will that is the reason all the Scriptures whether they are Hindu or Christian refer to the white color as something good and pure and to be desired. Why even in the Koran the houries are described as having flawless white skin. Certain facts have to be excepted and it is up to the individual to formulate his mind. I will give a small example I had a friend in America who was all the time talking in favor of the black man and that he was oppressed but when his daughter wanted to marry a black man he lost his shirt and threatened to shoot him dead till his daughter broke with him.

    1. Readmikenow profile image95
      Readmikenowposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      "I would like to add that blaming the media is like flogging a dead horse. The media functions under a set of rules which they have formulated and they have to generate a profit they are not there at the beck and call of the common man."

      I agree.  In the United States, we at one time, had something called Journalistic integrity.  I had to take a course in college on journalism ethics.  There was a time when the goal was to report the facts and let the reader/viewer make a decision about a story.  That is no longer the case.  The reporting in the written and broadcast media is absolutely hideous.  There is no longer story balance, facts are not verified, and many in the mainstream American media simply report lies and half truths to support a single political party.  They play on a person's emotion rather than their mind.  This is done to increase readers/viewers.  It's a shame.  We now have nothing but propaganda like Russia's Pravda news agency.

      I have a black friend who is very wealthy and he married a white woman.  It really was a huge scandal in their family.  Eventually they got to know her and realized she was great lady, but it took time.

      1. Ken Burgess profile image87
        Ken Burgessposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        Definition of Propaganda:

        Information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.

        Information, ideas, opinions, or images, often only giving one part of an argument, that are broadcast, published, or in some other way spread with the intention of influencing people's opinions.

        Definition of Independent Journalism:

        Any form of press, that is free of inspiration by government/political or corporate interests.

        Please provide the sources of information in "American news", especially that found on tv, that you feel meets the definition of Independent Journalism.

        1. Readmikenow profile image95
          Readmikenowposted 12 months agoin reply to this

          "The fight is already over, what is to come will come."

  14. abwilliams profile image67
    abwilliamsposted 12 months ago

    Yes.

  15. abwilliams profile image67
    abwilliamsposted 12 months ago
    1. Ken Burgess profile image87
      Ken Burgessposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      The article states pretty much what I just said in my previous reply.

      A 240 is nothing more than a dryer outlet.  If you do not have one of those available to you, for whatever reason, then an EV is not for you.

      1. abwilliams profile image67
        abwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        Ken, I did not read your previous replies, I was responding to PP's criticism of Trump (in this case) Trump's push for energy independence. I happened to come across it about the time my husband was telling me about an article he had just read, about the lack of enthusiasm for electric cars in Cali. (article shared)

      2. wilderness profile image95
        wildernessposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        While a dryer outlet will work (if it is within reach and if you aren't using the dryer) it isn't optimal.  A class II charger will provide all the current your Volt will accept off of a 30 amp breaker, but many cars (especially the all electric ones) can handle over 6KW, and that requires a larger circuit.

        1. Ken Burgess profile image87
          Ken Burgessposted 12 months agoin reply to this

          I operate with a 240 just fine, never have any issues with charging.  I can achieve a full 250 miles of range from almost 0 with one night of charging.

          The Volt uses a standard 120, the all electric Bolt the 240.

          I do not have to share the 240 with a dryer as it is gas operated, so this is not a problem.

          As most of the charging is done in the evening hours, the impact to our electric bill has been minimal. There was no need for costly electrical upgrades, though at some time in the future I want to install solar panels and a power wall with enough storage capacity to cover a 24 hour period. 

          At which point upgrades to the electrical system will be required.

  16. Readmikenow profile image95
    Readmikenowposted 12 months ago

    "We have to move on from fossil fuel. Oil is a finite commodity.  There is only so much fracking that can be done. "

    That is simply not true.  Here is a story from Yahoo News.  One of the most liberal rags on the planet discussing how we won't run out of fossil fuels. 

    "We Will Not Run Out of Fossil Fuels"

    "Even if no more fossil fuels were to be discovered or deemed extractable, our nations already possess far more reserves and recoverable resources worldwide than we can burn without destroying the climate. Humanity has burned just a small portion of our fossil fuels to date."

    https://news.yahoo.com/not-run-fossil-f … 43174.html

  17. abwilliams profile image67
    abwilliamsposted 12 months ago

    You do have a sense of humor after all PP I love it! That would be fun to cruise around in for a while....a very short while! smile

  18. Credence2 profile image81
    Credence2posted 12 months ago

    Wanna a little fun, guys?

    Check out the History Channel's documentary on "The Food that Built America".

 
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